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Hengle Teron
Just Another Corp XIV
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Posted - 2015.01.19 21:16:44 -
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also I think the SoE arc has near 0 module drops
but it makes up for it with nice mission rewards (for a newbie) |

Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
610
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Posted - 2015.01.19 21:17:03 -
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Crushabit Littlebit wrote:I get that its very chance to see what drops. Just like in player vs player battles and kills. Sometimes, no plex drop out of 80 plex in a ship. This I understand and though I might not agree with the total mechanics I understand it's reason.
However, allowing NPC to have proper drops is not going to mess up the entire system. Giving a new player or other wise modules to actually fit a ship would be a huge help, this is much more helpful to the new player of course.
They have burner missions that pose a challenge to a solo player even in a good ship, so why not turn up the level of missions with less rat, but more better loot. Nothing has to be game breaking, but I would rather spend 30 minutes on a mission with possible loot for my ship fit (not even super mods), I would rather have then 10 minutes and nothing to show except for mission rewards(terrible).
The arguments I hear are " oh the old people will not like it!", "people abuse this current system and will do so again" (what changes?), "it will rip the fabric of space and time too our player market", These are just terrible the sky is falling type of ideas.
It would not break the game to offer a little better NPC drops, or go through the system a bit and seed things differently. Allow for new players to be able to fit their ships, or experiment with different fits. Not spend all isk on a few mods or 3 hours trying to find a good priced fit out.
Just stop. You're invoking Malcanis' Law here. What "good loot" will cause it to be spammed by literally everyone including the bittervets with OVER9000 accounts thus saturating the market with the "good loot" thus dropping its prices.
Also stop missioning like a scrub. Also stop being poor hunting for the "best-priced" module in the region so you can save a piddly 5000 ISK. It is not worth the time.
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Adrie Atticus
Shadows of Rebellion The Bastion
849
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Posted - 2015.01.19 21:21:22 -
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Crushabit Littlebit wrote:What is confusing is people acting like this system is not broken some. Seriously these drops are good for new players, or player in general. This terrible NPC hunting, missions and loot is good for this game?
There is just enough old players that don't care what entry is like to the game, or what it was once like? NPC drops are just bad.
Let me put it this way:
Level 4's if killed fully will have on some cases easily over a hundred wrecks, some of them up to battleship sizes. You'll be looking at 200m3 to 600m3 of items per mission. This is a quantity over quality issue, if every rat dropped something (like they used to) there would be no point in mining as you could just recycle mission loot to gain all the minerals the market needs.
It's also a risk vs. reward situation, you are not risking anything valuable in the large scale and your rewards will be max 10% of your ship worth, which most likely isn't more than a few hundred thousand ISK at this point. Once you get into ships which are in the billions in null security space, you have a guaranteed 120Mil from high-end sites plus a chance to get up to 2 Bil per site you scan. On the other hand, you are also exposing a lot of money to PvP and will still fight with RNG gods on site spawns and loot drops.
Eve is not a PvE game and it will be balanced as such. |

Skydell
Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums
670
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Posted - 2015.01.19 21:49:42 -
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Once upon a time, loot was a part of the EVE experience.
Then came nerf bat. |

Sugar Smacks
State War Academy Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2015.01.19 21:56:20 -
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The simple answer is your supposed to be poor in the beginning. The good news is the loot gets better. |

Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
3086
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Posted - 2015.01.19 22:22:40 -
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CCP has, over the years, been reducing the amount of loot dropped from the NPCs. The reason: The market is saturated with the stuff. There is so much that a good part of it gets melted down for minerals, even now with the low drop rate and reprocessing nerf.
As a result, most of the loot you think you should be getting will be almost worthless, so you are not missing out on much.
You may ask "Why not have expensive stuff drop?" Well, if CCP did that, then the market for those items would crash and they too would be almost worthless.
The amount of money you can make from loot drops is limited to the amount other players are willing to spend to buy your loot. If they are not willing to buy piles and piles of modules, than the price crashes to the mineral value.
Many modules are at that price point, the mineral value. Which means we still have too much loot dropping from NPCs.
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Serene Repose
2111
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Posted - 2015.01.20 02:00:55 -
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Loot in SoE? That's not the point of the SoE epic line. Just run the course, and see where you are when you finish it. I really can't believe someone's running SoE and complaining about the NPC loot.
Treason never prospers. What is the reason?
Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
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KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
856
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Posted - 2015.01.20 14:49:26 -
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OP is operating on old information. CCP nerfed the **** out of all missions.
CCP .. always first with the wrong stuff
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Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
669
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Posted - 2015.01.20 15:28:24 -
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CCP have been very adamant about wiping out "gun mining". Due to reproccessing of modules, if too much loot dropped from NPC's (who due to the missioning system are a limitless resource), it would be possible to produce raw materials at a faster rate than a miner (who should be the default source of materials). Furthermore, it would have a knock-on effect on module production - certain modules would just be so saturated in the market that they would be pointless to build.
Then you have to consider, what are you really fighting in that mission? Sure, the model is a Raven, it is firing cruise missiles, but how does it statistically compare to an "average" capsuleer pilotting a "real" Raven. What is the NPC's dpc compared to a capsuleer? A quarter? Less? Then it shouldn't have a chance of dropping 7 cruise launchers, if it is only applying the dps of 2, should it? And it certainly shouldn't be dropping any Ballistic Control Systems. It has a third of the tank? Well, then it shouldn't be dropping any Hardeners or Shield Extenders then (Heh, but maybe a couple of expanded cargo holds to explain the crappy tank ). You'll probably find, for the "threat" posed, the loot drops are probably not too far off being generous. |

Crushabit Littlebit
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2015.01.20 15:33:55 -
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Its not just the SOE missions. I have tried my hand at few different ones hoping for decent drops. More or less trying to fit my ships with the loot I find to save ISK(saving up for arbitrator). The amount of missions I have had to run, must be now 100 or so and I still can't fit one ship. The loot is either terrible or not even for the correct racial ship bonus type mods.
I see most of the reasons in here are as I expected after trying to research why missions are so terrible in EVE. Mostly old players talking about how they don't want something changed. That farmers will make the loot terrible because of mass reprocessing. Is that not good for ship building? Market? Battleships costing 50-100 mil again?
There has to be a better way for new players to get things onto their ships and get started in the game. Not this over hashed out vet mission cycles that maker sure the vets dont' get bothered by the nflux of crap mods into the game. Well the reduce the materials to build said item then you get less reprocess, there has to be better ways.
Saying don't change one of the worst systems in the game with the excuses I have heard are not correct. PVP game? what about all the other elements, this is not only PVP game.. or PVE would not be in it. Markets that can be manipulated is not ONLY pvp. These excuse that it in someway is smart way to adapt new players to the PVP world of eve is just dumb and short sighted.
If the game is so royally messed up that they can't touch the loot tables because it would throw the game out of wack to drop more non-named tech I mods into the game.. then something is far more wrong than newbro's getting a proper drop to fit their ships after 100 missions.
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Crushabit Littlebit
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2015.01.20 15:52:02 -
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Aralyn Cormallen wrote:CCP have been very adamant about wiping out "gun mining". Due to reproccessing of modules, if too much loot dropped from NPC's (who due to the missioning system are a limitless resource), it would be possible to produce raw materials at a faster rate than a miner (who should be the default source of materials). Furthermore, it would have a knock-on effect on module production - certain modules would just be so saturated in the market that they would be pointless to build. Then you have to consider, what are you really fighting in that mission? Sure, the model is a Raven, it is firing cruise missiles, but how does it statistically compare to an "average" capsuleer pilotting a "real" Raven. What is the NPC's dpc compared to a capsuleer? A quarter? Less? Then it shouldn't have a chance of dropping 7 cruise launchers, if it is only applying the dps of 2, should it? And it certainly shouldn't be dropping any Ballistic Control Systems. It has a third of the tank? Well, then it shouldn't be dropping any Hardeners or Shield Extenders then (Heh, but maybe a couple of expanded cargo holds to explain the crappy tank  ). You'll probably find, for the "threat" posed, the loot drops are probably not too far off being generous.
I ship scanned a few of these ships and I think your correct about the fittings maybe, but even then more loot should drop statistically. Even if just 2 launchers half a tank etc etc.
Then someone say salvage the mission wrecks too, well then why is there something called mission 'blitzing".. it more profitable. Imagine that it's more profitable to run missions in a manner they weren't intended, to avoid the actual mechanics that ARE intended for the missioning system. Something is broke in this system.
*edit But hey lets get serious and Dev reply about decorating our ships interiors, are you serious... do dev just use their alt to suggest an feature then jump on it when it gains momentum? Ship interiors? is this that scam space game that one guy is working on? Interiors when other **** like missions and POS code needs work? what in the actual ****? |

Leannor
Central Builders Incorporated Northern Associates.
61
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Posted - 2015.01.20 17:09:05 -
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OP has a point though, there are some breed of NPC's that 'only' drop metal scraps (or worse - nothing). That's not loot fairy, or chance, that's design.
Is that what OP is getting at?
Rest of NPC's rotate pretty good.
(perosnally I'd just go off and shoot other types of NPC that ive out more varied drops - if you're after the drops that is, persoanlly the salvage is worth more, plus bounties).
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Hengle Teron
Just Another Corp XIV
33804
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Posted - 2015.01.20 19:00:56 -
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Its the same reason that not every sword wielding monster in WoW drops that sword (seriously, wtf is stopping you from looting that?)
So please stop b****ing about it |

Hengle Teron
Just Another Corp XIV
33804
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Posted - 2015.01.20 19:02:17 -
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Leannor wrote:OP has a point though, there are some breed of NPC's that 'only' drop metal scraps (or worse - nothing). That's not loot fairy, or chance, that's design.
Is that what OP is getting at?
Rest of NPC's rotate pretty good.
(perosnally I'd just go off and shoot other types of NPC that ive out more varied drops - if you're after the drops that is, persoanlly the salvage is worth more, plus bounties).
and what's wrong with having by design some npcs that have no drop ? |

Dangeresque Too
Pistols for Pandas
84
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Posted - 2015.01.20 19:29:05 -
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I think his original idea is based on the fact that NPCs don't have fits, they just have database table stats. Which is kinda dumb as they will consistently have 10+ active high slot modules to make their ships look like they match the stats the database is telling them they have.
That and also never understood why NPCs can shoot torps 100k+ and even with max skills in a bastion marauder you get what, 30k?
I am all for CCP at least fitting NPCs with the cheapest mods in combo with terrible fitting choices to balance them out to be weaker or stronger based on their class etc. Then just have the loot fairy drop what they had fit... also its silly to get a 1600mm plate from a gurista frig or a remote shield rep from a blood raider battleship. |

Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
1684
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Posted - 2015.01.20 23:45:10 -
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Use the compare tool and check the stats on many Meta 4 items. They are sometimes better then their T2 versions. Meta 4 items only come from drops. If you go explore or PVE in lowsec, nullsec or wspace you get better drops. Takes better ships to pull off too, but that's called progression. The rewards from grind will always be bad. You have to take some risk to make good ISK. |

Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1348
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Posted - 2015.01.21 00:18:02 -
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Looting is a bad habit. learn to Blitz. By the time you get to level IV the time you waste looting would have got you half way through the next mission. |

Leannor
Central Builders Incorporated Northern Associates.
62
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Posted - 2015.01.21 10:58:44 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Looting is a bad habit. learn to Blitz. By the time you get to level IV the time you waste looting would have got you half way through the next mission.
that certainly used to be the case ... now with salvage, mobile tractor units, noctis, and T2 mods, it's MUCH quicker than the good ole days of running around after cans.
Only worth it though on the big missions.
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Yarda Black
Militaris Industries Northern Coalition.
537
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Posted - 2015.01.21 11:05:42 -
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Loot was much better in the past. It led to what is referred to as "gunmining". Looting to refine into minerals. Drones were great for that with their alloys.
Minerals decrease inflation. Or even generate deflation. Which is no good it seems.
The days loot is interesting, but mostly not worth it compared to just running missions/ratting etc. Salvaging is still a very easy and profitable income for a starting player tho. |

Pok Nibin
Filial Pariahs
461
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Posted - 2015.01.22 01:42:29 -
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You don't function in EVE for the loot. That's a perk. You function in EVE to bring about the glorious supremacy of the Amarrian flag. (Some people never learn.)
Dont fight it; Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs; You know you want to.
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Solops Crendraven
Solops Inc
57
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Posted - 2015.01.22 03:27:23 -
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Ya I feel You The Eve Loot Is Worthless.I wish they had More Of a generous Borderlands/Diablo 3 Loot system.Or a Treasure Goblin that jumps out of wormholes Dropping Plexes or something Im really not getting my ROI In This Game.
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Vash Typhoon
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.01.22 03:53:37 -
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Mission running is a good source of income in the game, loot is just a part of that income, you also get the mission rewards, bounty for the rats you killed, loyalty points that you can change for items, many sold at very good prices in the market and salvage from the wrecks of the ships you killed. |

Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1356
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Posted - 2015.01.22 04:01:18 -
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Vash Typhoon wrote:Mission running is a good source of income in the game, loot is just a part of that income, you also get the mission rewards, bounty for the rats you killed, loyalty points that you can change for items, many sold at very good prices in the market and salvage from the wrecks of the ships you killed.
... and nice little gifts from storyline agents. i got a 150 mill mining implant from a level IV storyline agent last week. |

Solops Crendraven
Solops Inc
57
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Posted - 2015.01.22 04:14:07 -
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Come on Guys Dont tell me you wouldnt want a Plex To drop from one of those Rats.
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Scifi
High Life Industries The Black Sails
4
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Posted - 2015.01.22 04:44:43 -
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meh, try doing scan sites then get back to me about loot drops. I swear I have enough damn carbon to construct a titan at this point. |

Skydell
Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums
670
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Posted - 2015.01.22 07:20:46 -
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Solops Crendraven wrote:Come on Guys Dont tell me you wouldnt want a Plex To drop from one of those Rats.
I'd be happy with the Shadow Serpentis copper dog tag if it was actually used for something. The idea that I have a Soldiers dog tag still holds great worth to me. It's one of those things I can't shake when I log in to the game. |

VaIefar Drekavac
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2015.01.22 12:00:06 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Looting is a bad habit. learn to Blitz. By the time you get to level IV the time you waste looting would have got you half way through the next mission.
Probably. Except, then you're at lvl 4 missions - but can't afford any ship to run them with.
I know. I'm at lvl 4 - without a ship to fly them with (and I actually did loot my lvl 3's..well, most of them anyway with some salvaging if I felt like it). |

Pok Nibin
Filial Pariahs
463
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Posted - 2015.01.22 16:19:52 -
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VaIefar Drekavac wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:Looting is a bad habit. learn to Blitz. By the time you get to level IV the time you waste looting would have got you half way through the next mission. Probably. Except, then you're at lvl 4 missions - but can't afford any ship to run them with. I know. I'm at lvl 4 - without a ship to fly them with (and I actually did loot my lvl 3's..well, most of them anyway with some salvaging if I felt like it). That gives you something to work for...or are you one of these instant gratification kind of people?
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Winter Archipelago
Furtherance.
339
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Posted - 2015.01.22 16:35:39 -
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Since OP asked in regards to what blitzing was, and it hasn't been answered, "blitzing" a mission is when you kill only what you need to kill, and nothing else. The goal is to complete the mission as quickly as possible so you can get your next mission.
The reason for doing this is that the ISK rewards and the LP rewards generally dwarf any loot or salvage rewards, and with good LP conversion (SOE missions can easily achieve a 2000:1 ISK:LP ratio), you can pull 8-10 million ISK in 10 minutes' time with a blitzed mission.
In fewer words, the purpose of blitzing a mission is to get a large pool of LP as quickly as possible, which is where the bulk of your income will come from.
Ransoms are accepted in Isk, Mods, Ships, and Dolls.
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Solops Crendraven
Solops Inc
57
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Posted - 2015.01.22 21:17:14 -
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Skydell wrote:Solops Crendraven wrote:Come on Guys Dont tell me you wouldnt want a Plex To drop from one of those Rats. I'd be happy with the Shadow Serpentis copper dog tag if it was actually used for something. The idea that I have a Soldiers dog tag still holds great worth to me. It's one of those things I can't shake when I log in to the game. Lol Thats Pretty hardcore. I mean Im Hardcore and Passionate However I gotta get Paid Get ROI. Ive been gaming for over 20 years gaming for me has become more business than a Hobby these days. However I Understand and respect .I just Have a different motivation than You and Most Players in Eve. I wanna make that transition From Hardcore to Pro to actually get Paid for Gaming so my time is Money.And Blitz is the way to go However theres no real way of making money with eve unless you break the Rules and get banned.Thats why maybe Rats should actually drop real cash once in awhile.
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