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KOTH Fluf Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.09.25 06:18:00 - [61] Originally by: Shadowsword Originally by: KOTH Fluf 1. TCF failed to understand the friendship in the north and barged into Venal without asking or diplomatic talks. This started your poor relationship with everyone and was a major failure with your new alliance. We knew there was a risk of seeing your friends coming, but we didn't saw it as something inevitable. Originally by: KOTH Fluf 2. Invading Tribute while the entire north was helping each other in XZH vs the Goons was a good tactical move on your part, but wasnt the wisest thing to do as you did not understand the relationships. [/quote See above, and a wide-open target was very temptimg. guess you'll leave you homes better protected next time. :p Originally by: KOTH Fluf 3. Morsus Mihi knew you were going to be hitting us 4 days before we left for Cloud Ring. We went anyway. That should tell you how close our friends are in the north. We wanted a fight and wanted you to come to Tribute. We all protect each other. Just as MM and D2 responded to yours and Outbreaks attack on their new egg a few weeks ago. MM responded for the help call and I sat and watched that egg all night to help my friends. Surely you knew we were going to kick off a major offensive (spies ftw), but I highly doubt you knew who was the target, becasue only the leaders did, and the assault fleet didn't even knew where it was going. Originally by: KOTH Fluf 4. D2 did not plan your explusion from Tribute. Morsus Mihi made and lead the planning and intial dread deployment and strikes during the last week of the war. It was a carefully planned operation that I personally planned. All intial POS strikes were done by Morsus Mihi dreads during US timezones with a few Razor and D2 dreads that wanted to join in the fun. D2, Razor, Guard and MM FC's all lead gangs throughout the final week of the conflict. It has allowed all the alliances to gell and learn to fly together, thus making our friendships even stronger. Attacking us in US timezones sure was effective. But that you need to use this tactic to get our poses without too much opposition is pretty suggestive. Originally by: KOTH Fluf Your own arrogance will be your downfall... ...Arrogance... You mean like this? [ 2006.07.30 07:35:33 ] KOTH Fluf > in 3 days you will be gone frederik > oki frederik > people told me same thing 3 month ago when we entered venal ) KOTH Fluf > lol KOTH Fluf > Shiva wasnt here KOTH Fluf > we are now frederik > oki cool more fun ) KOTH Fluf > and we are very experienced with driving people out of NPC stations KOTH Fluf > ask Colsup KOTH Fluf > we are x-FA frederik > we are a pvp alliance so isnt a trouble KOTH Fluf > lol frederik > we chose north for the challange KOTH Fluf > you guys are worse then Xelas frederik > oki) KOTH Fluf > I find you too easy frederik > oki cool KOTH Fluf > you guys blew it KOTH Fluf > and your brought your own destruction frederik > i understood u dont need more flame ) KOTH Fluf > no flame just fact bro frederik > oki KOTH Fluf > Ive been fighting BOB for 2 years now frederik > i am a noob in pvp KOTH Fluf > you have brought this on yourselves KOTH Fluf > and you will suffer the consequences frederik > we are a pvp alliance noob but we ll try KOTH Fluf > we are not thats the point KOTH Fluf > you have awoken the sleeping bear KOTH Fluf > and its is very angry now KOTH Fluf > this alliance now has one goal frederik > that our way we chose the most powerfull ally d2 KOTH Fluf > and that is to destroy your alliance KOTH Fluf > to the last ship KOTH Fluf > we do not need D2 frederik > can i keep an incursus ?) KOTH Fluf > lol A saying about pots and kettles comes to mind... As for driving us out of venal, we shall see... Not arrogance just fact. Shiva alone vs TCF since July 1st when we move up here: Totals: Kills 901- 21336.56M Losses 177- 9830.22M And we are not done. Good fun though. Fluf CEO Shiva Morsus Mihi
DigitalCommunist Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.25 06:24:00 - [62] Wow this thread is going places. Anyhow, I'd just like to say that it would of been a better "trial by fire" if MM proved it could bounce back on its own. Seems you are taking a bit too much credit for what is basically a coalition of alliances against one. And as it stands, theres no way to tell if you would of ever retaken the region without D2's help. Which is a shame, it would have been better for the north. Either MM gets stronger or a new alliance that isn't friendly to D2 takes over. Right now I can't really think of a single territorial alliance with stations in the entire upper half of EVE that isn't napped with D2. I swear to god its NAST all over again, and you know what that means.. D2 = the new PA. :\| Purchasing Complex Fullerene Shards, contact me ingame.
Emrod Amarr Legion Du Lys Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.09.25 06:31:00 - [63] Originally by: Rimini Toranos Originally by: Emrod The TCF diplomacy suck? Maybey and I dont careBecause now its gonna be eternal war here :p Morsus win in tribute? In fact we leave D7 ourself not because you kick us out of there! ... etc, crap, crap, etc, crap Let's put it in simple terms: We win, you lose! and stop smacking about it. You gonna win when TCF gonna die...now try to do it! The Tau Ceti Federation, proudly *** off the Northern Coalition till 2006*
Emrod Amarr Legion Du Lys Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.09.25 06:32:00 - [64] Originally by: DigitalCommunist Wow this thread is going places. Anyhow, I'd just like to say that it would of been a better "trial by fire" if MM proved it could bounce back on its own. Seems you are taking a bit too much credit for what is basically a coalition of alliances against one. And as it stands, theres no way to tell if you would of ever retaken the region without D2's help. Which is a shame, it would have been better for the north. Either MM gets stronger or a new alliance that isn't friendly to D2 takes over. Right now I can't really think of a single territorial alliance with stations in the entire upper half of EVE that isn't napped with D2. I swear to god its NAST all over again, and you know what that means.. D2 = the new PA. :\| signed! The Tau Ceti Federation, proudly *** off the Northern Coalition till 2006*
WARPIG3 DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.25 06:52:00 - [65] TCF!! Has a Big Pill to swallow, Face the Fact. And no u did't leave D7 on your terms. You got the Boot! While leaving your asset to be blow-up is not consider leaving on your terms. Was fun! I enjoyed it! Thank you for the Fight!
Ramireza Caldari Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.09.25 06:53:00 - [66] Originally by: DigitalCommunist Wow this thread is going places. Anyhow, I'd just like to say that it would of been a better "trial by fire" if MM proved it could bounce back on its own. Seems you are taking a bit too much credit for what is basically a coalition of alliances against one. And as it stands, theres no way to tell if you would of ever retaken the region without D2's help. Which is a shame, it would have been better for the north. Either MM gets stronger or a new alliance that isn't friendly to D2 takes over. Right now I can't really think of a single territorial alliance with stations in the entire upper half of EVE that isn't napped with D2. I swear to god its NAST all over again, and you know what that means.. D2 = the new PA. :\| Well... i must admit... he is right
Gusar Mora Caldari Sun-inc	Posted - 2006.09.25 07:04:00 - [67] Wow TCF you realy are going places, I admire your enthusiasm, at this rate i will be seeing you all in empire in 1-2 months (Tribute-->Venal--> Empire), where we can celebrate your extrodinary accomplishments. Reality is TCF you got the boot and all I em hearing now is excuses, excuses, excuses. Plz suck it up and take it like a man. Its geting emberesing to hearing your empty chalenges and arguments. "its not over, you will see" etc. ACTIONS SPEAK LOUER THAN WORDS.
WETRAIN Minmatar Solidline Enterprise	Posted - 2006.09.25 07:06:00 - [68] party time in Venal i`m selling tickets to a show called " Kill a TCF get a free goat" damn ffs my sigs keep getting pwnd When the People are Ready the Master will come. - D R S -
Gozmoth Altera Odyssea Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.09.25 07:11:00 - [69] Originally by: Gusar Mora ACTIONS SPEAK LOUER THAN WORDS. Exactly ! That's why we have taken a station and hold it during several weeks against mm AND guard AND rzr AND d2. I think it is the best one-sentence summary.
Shadowsword Gallente COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.09.25 07:13:00 - [70] Edited by: Shadowsword on 25/09/2006 07:13:25 Originally by: Gusar Mora Wow TCF you realy are going places, I admire your enthusiasm, at this rate i will be seeing you all in empire in 1-2 months (Tribute-->Venal--> Empire), where we can celebrate your extrodinary accomplishments. Reality is TCF you got the boot and all I em hearing now is excuses, excuses, excuses. Plz suck it up and take it like a man. Its geting emberesing to hearing your empty chalenges and arguments. "its not over, you will see" etc. ACTIONS SPEAK LOUER THAN WORDS. Who are you exactly? What actions have you done to speak like that? ------------------------------------------ Nuhwall: Why are some Amarr ships warping backward? Shadowsword: whatever happen, if they need to flee they can honestly say the faced the enemy.
Don ZOLA Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2006.09.25 07:18:00 - [71] Originally by: Gozmoth Originally by: Gusar Mora ACTIONS SPEAK LOUER THAN WORDS. Exactly ! That's why we have taken a station and hold it during several weeks against mm AND guard AND rzr AND d2. I think it is the best one-sentence summary. sorry to brake ur dream but only reason u had that station was due to ur poslagwarfare... and its stupid to point on rawr allies all the time when u have/had allies aswell... TDG Recruitment
Gusar Mora Caldari Sun-inc	Posted - 2006.09.25 07:21:00 - [72] Originally by: Gozmoth Originally by: Gusar Mora ACTIONS SPEAK LOUER THAN WORDS. Exactly ! That's why we have taken a station and hold it during several weeks against mm AND guard AND rzr AND d2. I think it is the best one-sentence summary. if you hav read my first post on this thred you would of seen that I mentioned that you taking over D7-zac station was like paying rent 1 month which cost you 60bilion isk, plz explain to me how this is not a failure on big a.s.s scale. as for other dude, I owe you no explanation on who I am, your aliance same with MM aliance are here to be scrutinised by eve comunity, I am just one of the judges. get used to it.
Plague Black 4S Corporation	Posted - 2006.09.25 07:54:00 - [73] Originally by: pershphanie ...However I think you will see a new MM very soon. 4s tends to be alot more active once the weather cools down. I'd be carefull not to underestimate them like that. They are no joke. I pitty who ever takes on the task of trying to drive them from a region. Marry me, I'll defend your honor the way I defend a region
CHIKA QRE	Posted - 2006.09.25 07:55:00 - [74] Edited by: CHIKA QRE on 25/09/2006 07:56:32 Gratz to all involved, end of a chapter in northern history.
Gozmoth Altera Odyssea Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.09.25 07:57:00 - [75] Originally by: Don ZOLA sorry to brake ur dream but only reason u had that station was due to ur poslagwarfare... and its stupid to point on rawr allies all the time when u have/had allies aswell... We were suffering from lag too. That's why we had never touch your POS. And our friends were just a bunch of (sympathic) people, not two of the majors alliances around here. Originally by: Gusar Mora if you hav read my first post on this thred you would of seen that I mentioned that you taking over D7-zac station was like paying rent 1 month which cost you 60bilion isk, plz explain to me how this is not a failure on big a.s.s scale. It is not a failure if it is your budget. We knew perfectly that it was a matter of time, so we use our budget to bring pain in tribute and learn from our engagements. When the budget and the fun was over, we leaved.
Urm TheMad Minmatar Altera Odyssea Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.09.25 07:58:00 - [76] Hi, First of all, I would like to congratulate our adversaries for their victory. A victory is when you own the field, they own the field. That such a simple concept is not understood by all our members is an insult to the great fights we had. MM won, in part, because of his friendships with others. That we regret this is, this time, an insult to intelligence. Friends/alliance/allies, call them what you want, they are a big part in war equations. In that regard, there is no discussion that MM gave us a lesson in strategic warfare. At the end of the day, for most of us it was a terrific blast and a great learning ground. What we will do with that knowledge is not yet know. Maybe we will try a second time to break the North coalition of alliances, not because they are ennemies (they aren't) but because they are worthy adversaries. Urm
Shadowsword Gallente COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.09.25 08:00:00 - [77] Originally by: Gusar Mora Originally by: Gozmoth Originally by: Gusar Mora ACTIONS SPEAK LOUER THAN WORDS. Exactly ! That's why we have taken a station and hold it during several weeks against mm AND guard AND rzr AND d2. I think it is the best one-sentence summary. if you hav read my first post on this thred you would of seen that I mentioned that you taking over D7-zac station was like paying rent 1 month which cost you 60bilion isk, plz explain to me how this is not a failure on big a.s.s scale. as for other dude, I owe you no explanation on who I am, your aliance same with MM aliance are here to be scrutinised by eve comunity, I am just one of the judges. get used to it. Translation: I know nothing about what happened, I never went up there to check for myself, but I can judge both sides and start flaming by what I saw on the forums... Sure, we lost lots of money, both by fuel cost, ships/pos losts and countless hours spent in pvp where we could farm isks instead. So what? Start computing what this war cost for the coalition, and you'll have a surprise... ------------------------------------------ Nuhwall: Why are some Amarr ships warping backward? Shadowsword: whatever happen, if they need to flee they can honestly say the faced the enemy.
DANGEROUS Fate.	Posted - 2006.09.25 08:07:00 - [78] It does me me LOL so much that it hurts. - - - 9 times out of 10 people from the invading force smack on the forums, 9 times out of 10 they get smited. 9 times out of 10 they CONTINUE to smack cos thats all they got. The only occasion i can recall a fair and proper fight took place where a force trully pulled out was the G/Iron fleet (good old days) in azn!! TCF - u SWORE u would keep D7, u got TOTALLY BOOTED out. ACCEPT it LOSERS
Don ZOLA Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2006.09.25 08:20:00 - [79] Edited by: Don ZOLA on 25/09/2006 08:20:21 imho after urm themad`s post i think tcf should find out who should be their diplomatic & pr guy, not cuz he admited defeat (its obvious anyway) but cuz of his calm and ploite way to speak to enemies. for a sec it reminded me of first topic about that war in north when everyone was giving respect to each other and all u could read was gf etc before forum smacktalks started cuz afaik there was no ingame smack :) edit : spelling :/ TDG Recruitment
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.25 08:30:00 - [80] Rah. Nicely done RAWR! Super contributions by many. Not least Koth Fluf who turned the tide by providing US timezone thingie we needed. It was a team effort. Not least by all the ones who were not in D7 but who kept going after TCF carebears in empire and in Venal. Without those guys they wouldn't have run out of steam this quickly.
Gozmoth Altera Odyssea Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.09.25 08:35:00 - [81] Originally by: Fred0 Not least Koth Fluf who turned the tide by providing US timezone thingie we needed. It was definitively an excellent move from you. You hit us very hard during US timezone and we were never able to counter you. Well done. :)
NOObbody Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.09.25 08:49:00 - [82] There were some exciting and some frustrating moments, but all in all it was a nice show from everybody.
Perin Alt	Posted - 2006.09.25 08:55:00 - [83] Tho you provide us many good smackless fights you r still the most piteous enemy I ever encounter. I will continue to hunt down you and POE in K3J pipe until you all go to Jita to earn isk from reselling Arbalests C u tonight
Dracolich North Star Networks	Posted - 2006.09.25 09:00:00 - [84] Does my eyes deceive me, or does it look like some x-FA vs some x-FA? On a further note... It looks like all had their fun during this process. On yet another note, if MM wanted TCF to come, what did they want to prove? How strong the north stands together, or did they want to test their own strength?(I sincerely hope that MM do not consider this as smack, coz its not intended).
Zakon Minmatar 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.09.25 09:25:00 - [85]
Zakon Minmatar 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.09.25 09:25:00 - [86] Huh.. so much unnecessary smalk. It usually get¦s like that when people are in conflicts like this. One side hoping for great succes ending up in defeat and frustration takes over and we get the ping pong effect like this. Hat off to TCF for giving us all the action past month. Hat off to all off your guys that kept this conflikt smalk free on the batterfield. Even if the action didnt bring u wanted results i m sure expiriense learned will benifit your pilots in future wars. There is realy not much to talk about here. No need for endless smalking and trying to prove your side right, couse every medal hase two sides - as our beloved Ceo use to remind us off I belive we all hade some great fights behing us, Atleast when we talk about bigger engagements. Couse i only in rare ocasions saw TCF engaging in smaller gangs or solo. Is that aliance polisy not taking unessesery risk¦s or just your way off playing. I would sure like to se more off that in the future, its much more fun and lag free . Once again tnx to all involved for nice fights. And lets have more off it. The fun is just starting
ProXorP Altera Odyssea Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.09.25 09:35:00 - [87] Thx for our ennemies... It was my first PVP experience in EVE, and i love it :) Just deplore the lag. See you soon D¦ and D¦ babies ^^ I hope you will come see us. And of course, we will come soon see you in our futur home ^^ EVE ftw ^^
NereSky Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.09.25 09:55:00 - [88] Originally by: Kal'Kalagan "...Morsus Mihi entered Tribute 4 months ago. With the swift retreat of its former residents we missed the opportunity to truly christen the region with the blood and gore." It is not often that I get involved in these forums but I as a former resident of Tribute want to make one thing clear. The Forsaken Empire stood against -G- Alliance in a two week siege of Tribute, we took all they had to offer and survived. Unfortunately internal political difficulties ended FE and what was left after that fell back to the Vale and formed VOID. Morsus Mihi had previously tried to take Geminate from FE while we struggled against The Five, we removed them easily in comparison to -G- and I doubt without their D2 allies they would be holding Tribute now. Tribute is now another example of a D2 puppet region, another buffer region there to protect them from the forces who could really challenge them. This is good planning on their part and I do not criticise them for it. However the petty alliances in these regions should not pretend they are anything special without their D2 sponsors. u got the history partially right - shame details get lost in history- but anyway u can suppose all u want. TCF did put up 'some' good fights and u are entitled to your opinions , what ever the result it would have ended up in the old D2 puppet comments, end of the day TCF came in looking for a home and left in a hurry - thats it nothing else to say unless u were in the battles, fact remains we are allied and have friends same as d2 and Razor are , ididnt hear some middle eastern power block say 'oooo the only reason we lost was because of the friends of the Americans' or feel free to attack a country in Europe and expect no repurcusions from the rest. most people in Eve have allies and friends RAWR aint the first nor the last. All that is stated for everyone's interest is that we have 'Tribute' back the hows and the whys are discussed in previous threads. I'm sure they will be more Battles and wars for people like u to comment on
deadmaus Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.09.25 09:56:00 - [89] Originally by: Urm TheMad Hi, First of all, I would like to congratulate our adversaries for their victory. A victory is when you own the field, they own the field. That such a simple concept is not understood by all our members is an insult to the great fights we had. MM won, in part, because of his friendships with others. That we regret this is, this time, an insult to intelligence. Friends/alliance/allies, call them what you want, they are a big part in war equations. In that regard, there is no discussion that MM gave us a lesson in strategic warfare. At the end of the day, for most of us it was a terrific blast and a great learning ground. What we will do with that knowledge is not yet know. Maybe we will try a second time to break the North coalition of alliances, not because they are ennemies (they aren't) but because they are worthy adversaries. Urm Sir I salute you and can only wish all my opponents where as honest and diplomatic as you. Now had you made first contact with us early on things may have been different. But then we would all have missed out on the great fights of the last month or so, Look forward to meeting you on the battlefield again my friend.
NereSky Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.09.25 09:59:00 - [90] Originally by: deadmaus Originally by: Urm TheMad Hi, First of all, I would like to congratulate our adversaries for their victory. A victory is when you own the field, they own the field. That such a simple concept is not understood by all our members is an insult to the great fights we had. MM won, in part, because of his friendships with others. That we regret this is, this time, an insult to intelligence. Friends/alliance/allies, call them what you want, they are a big part in war equations. In that regard, there is no discussion that MM gave us a lesson in strategic warfare. At the end of the day, for most of us it was a terrific blast and a great learning ground. What we will do with that knowledge is not yet know. Maybe we will try a second time to break the North coalition of alliances, not because they are ennemies (they aren't) but because they are worthy adversaries. Urm Sir I salute you and can only wish all my opponents where as honest and diplomatic as you. Now had you made first contact with us early on things may have been different. But then we would all have missed out on the great fights of the last month or so, Look forward to meeting you on the battlefield again my friend. Signed and respect to you Urm

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