Originally by: Miss Lilly

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Our enemies resolve, assets and strength are shattered.

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Originally by: Miss Lilly

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just how hard we hit, and how deep our determination runs.

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Originally by: Amerame

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Originally by: Miss Lilly

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just how hard we hit, and how deep our determination runs.

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You mean how hard D¦ hit ? Your alliance achieved absolutely nothing in Tribute, Tribute had been conquered by D¦ and handed to you, you lost it to TCF and D¦ had to come again and take it back for you. Your alliance is just good enough to fuel a few PoS.

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Originally by: ParMizaN

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evry1ghasb a limiy...

...and ijust reached it ahaha...

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Originally by: Gouglash

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Edited by: Gouglash on 24/09/2006 21:38:20
\o/ Morsus Mihi

Also, TCF, if you think D2 did all the work, your grasp of the situation is as terrible as your diplomacy.

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Originally by: Shadowsword

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Originally by: Gouglash

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Edited by: Gouglash on 24/09/2006 21:38:20
\o/ Morsus Mihi

Also, TCF, if you think D2 did all the work, your grasp of the situation is as terrible as your diplomacy.

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Oh, D2 didn't do all the work alone, there was also Razor, Guard, and various other corps and alliances involved, but I cant be arsed to make a complete listing. I'd forget a few anyway.

But one thing is cristal clear: without help from it's allies, Morsus would be in empire right now. They made the mistake of leaving their homes with only a few badly fitted poses to claim sovereignty, with an active enemy less than 10 jumps away, and that mistake crippled them. Before Razor and Guard went in, every MM POS were in reinforced state or destroyed, and they were losing every single one of the fleet battles around the gates or the stations. And I seem to remember that they couldn't dock in either stations, where most of their assets were. Then we fought MM+Razor+Guard, and we still could prevent them to put any of our pos in reinforced (Morsus lost on that occasion 7 of it's 9-dreads, and the two survivors got killed a few days after). Only when D2 went in and took command of their forces did we suffer our first defeats.

Morsus guys can thanks their allies, because without them they were toast.

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Originally by: Shadowsword

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Originally by: Gouglash

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Edited by: Gouglash on 24/09/2006 21:38:20
\o/ Morsus Mihi

Also, TCF, if you think D2 did all the work, your grasp of the situation is as terrible as your diplomacy.

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Morsus guys can thanks their allies, because without them they were toast.

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Originally by: NereSky

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Originally by: Shadowsword

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Originally by: Gouglash

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Edited by: Gouglash on 24/09/2006 21:38:20
\o/ Morsus Mihi

Also, TCF, if you think D2 did all the work, your grasp of the situation is as terrible as your diplomacy.

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Oh, D2 didn't do all the work alone, there was also Razor, Guard, and various other corps and alliances involved, but I cant be arsed to make a complete listing. I'd forget a few anyway.

But one thing is cristal clear: without help from it's allies, Morsus would be in empire right now. They made the mistake of leaving their homes with only a few badly fitted poses to claim sovereignty, with an active enemy less than 10 jumps away, and that mistake crippled them. Before Razor and Guard went in, every MM POS were in reinforced state or destroyed, and they were losing every single one of the fleet battles around the gates or the stations. And I seem to remember that they couldn't dock in either stations, where most of their assets were. Then we fought MM+Razor+Guard, and we still could prevent them to put any of our pos in reinforced (Morsus lost on that occasion 7 of it's 9-dreads, and the two survivors got killed a few days after). Only when D2 went in and took command of their forces did we suffer our first defeats.

Morsus guys can thanks their allies, because without them they were toast.

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leave the smack without the lag u wouldnt have lasted a week :P

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Originally by: Maverick McDougel

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they forgot to add that they lost almost an equal number of capital ships on that occation. if you look down a bit in this forum you will see a post about it.

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Originally by: Shadowsword

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Edited by: Shadowsword on 24/09/2006 22:16:07

Originally by: Maverick McDougel

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they forgot to add that they lost almost an equal number of capital ships on that occation. if you look down a bit in this forum you will see a post about it.

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Sure, we lost 6 dreads. But those dreads were the ones we could gather on a 20 minutes-notice, at an fairly late hour, they weren't our whole dread fleet. WE could have continued dread operations, had we wished to. You couldn't before the reinforcement of 16 or so D2 dreads.

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Originally by: Joerd Toastius

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Heh. People still have trouble over this, don't they? The north stands together. You kick one of us, we all kick you back. TCF got in because the fleet was down in XZH evicting the Goons.

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Originally by: Amerame

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Originally by: Joerd Toastius

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Heh. People still have trouble over this, don't they? The north stands together. You kick one of us, we all kick you back. TCF got in because the fleet was down in XZH evicting the Goons.

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We don't have trouble over this, you do. The north doesn't really stand together, D¦ defend all the north by itself. The other alliances are at most cannon fodders, at worst punching balls. It's completely obvious to anyone who has fought in the North that without D¦ leadership around there is no opposition to be found. If D¦ is busy anywhere, pretty much anyone with a couple of dreads and a handfull battleships can take a region in the North.

Props to D¦ for coming again, again and again on our PoS for 2 months, using every time a new strategy.

I don't envy D¦ to be stuck in Branch, having to be ready to defend wherever one of their allies is going to be attacked next, it's been 4 months D¦ has been leading the defense of the north on every battlefield, that's quite impressive.

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Originally by: Amerame

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Edited by: Amerame on 24/09/2006 22:37:32
We don't have trouble over this, you do.

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Originally by: Amerame

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Edited by: Amerame on 24/09/2006 22:37:32

Originally by: Joerd Toastius

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Heh. People still have trouble over this, don't they? The north stands together. You kick one of us, we all kick you back. TCF got in because the fleet was down in XZH evicting the Goons.

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We don't have trouble over this, you do. The north doesn't really stand together, D¦ defend all the north by itself. The other alliances are at most cannon fodders, at worst punching balls. It's completely obvious to anyone who has fought in the North that without D¦ leadership around there is no opposition to be found. If D¦ is busy anywhere, pretty much anyone with a couple of dreads and a handfull battleships can take a region in the North.

Props to D¦ for coming again, again and again on our PoS for 2 months, using every time a new strategy.

I don't envy D¦ to be stuck in Branch, having to be ready to defend wherever one of their allies is going to be attacked next, it's been 4 months that D¦ has been leading the defense of the north on every battlefield, that's quite impressive.

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Originally by: Amerame

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We don't have trouble over this, you do. The north doesn't really stand together, D¦ defend all the north by itself. The other alliances are at most cannon fodders, at worst punching balls. It's completely obvious to anyone who has fought in the North that without D¦ leadership around there is no opposition to be found. If D¦ is busy anywhere, pretty much anyone with a couple of dreads and a handfull battleships can take a region in the North.

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Originally by: Scrofalitic One

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("Schtop! Zero schpeed!")

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Originally by: KOTH Fluf

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First I would like to say thanks to our good friends in the north. Its one of the major mistakes TCF has made since its forming its alliance. Poor diplomacy, planning and understanding of what is actually going on in the north has been and will continue to be your downfall. What most don't understand is D2, Razor, Morsus Mihi, Guard, Iron and others are very close and good friends. We all will jump to defend each other at a moments notice. It was your lack of understanding of the region and the relationships in the north that has caused your defeat.

Serveral points I would like to make here:

1. TCF failed to understand the friendship in the north and barged into Venal without asking or diplomatic talks. This started your poor relationship with everyone and was a major failure with your new alliance.

2. Invading Tribute while the entire north was helping each other in XZH vs the Goons was a good tactical move on your part, but wasnt the wisest thing to do as you did not understand the relationships.

3. Morsus Mihi knew you were going to be hitting us 4 days before we left for Cloud Ring. We went anyway. That should tell you how close our friends are in the north. We wanted a fight and wanted you to come to Tribute. We all protect each other. Just as MM and D2 responded to yours and Outbreaks attack on their new egg a few weeks ago. MM responded for the help call and I sat and watched that egg all night to help my friends.

4. D2 did not plan your explusion from Tribute. Morsus Mihi made and lead the planning and intial dread deployment and strikes during the last week of the war. It was a carefully planned operation that I personally planned. All intial POS strikes were done by Morsus Mihi dreads during US timezones with a few Razor and D2 dreads that wanted to join in the fun. D2, Razor, Guard and MM FC's all lead gangs throughout the final week of the conflict. It has allowed all the alliances to gell and learn to fly together, thus making our friendships even stronger.

5. During the last week, numbers were usually even during all the POS engagements. We just used new tactics to counter the tactics you used on us before. you just failed to adapt.

6. You were not without friends. You had POE, RISK, Russian Thunder Squad and several others trying to help you. They failed.

The bottom line is you attack one of us, you attack all of us. You failed to realize this when you entered the north and you still dont seem to get it. Gunboat diplomacy is not something that will get you anywhere in the north. Your own arrogance will be your downfall. Now you are surrounded and trapped in a NPC region with almost everyone in the north against you. Your time is limited and I have my doubts your alliance will survive. Unfortunately, Im sorry to see old friends like Colsup and Legion have to go through this again, as they did in Fountain. But you have made your bed and now you must lie in it.

Many thanks to our allies again for helping and I hope you all had fun. I will fly with you guys anyplace,anytime, anywhere!

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Originally by: Amerame

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Originally by: Miss Lilly

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just how hard we hit, and how deep our determination runs.

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You mean how hard D¦ hit ? Your alliance achieved absolutely nothing in Tribute, Tribute had been conquered by D¦ and handed to you, you lost it to TCF and D¦ had to come again and take it back for you. Your alliance is just good enough to fuel a few PoS.

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Originally by: Robet Katrix

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what happened to guard? i noticed MM shooting IMK station the other day there. Are they no longer part of the d2 protected?

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Originally by: Valkazm

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Grats though less targets in the area now

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Originally by: Murukan

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Must suck having to go 40 jumps to find targets to shoot.

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Originally by: Emrod

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The TCF diplomacy suck? Maybey and I dont careBecause now its gonna be eternal war here :p

Morsus win in tribute? In fact we leave D7 ourself not because you kick us out of there!

... etc, crap, crap, etc, crap

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Originally by: KOTH Fluf

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1. TCF failed to understand the friendship in the north and barged into Venal without asking or diplomatic talks. This started your poor relationship with everyone and was a major failure with your new alliance.

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Originally by: KOTH Fluf

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2. Invading Tribute while the entire north was helping each other in XZH vs the Goons was a good tactical move on your part, but wasnt the wisest thing to do as you did not understand the relationships.

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Originally by: KOTH Fluf

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3. Morsus Mihi knew you were going to be hitting us 4 days before we left for Cloud Ring. We went anyway. That should tell you how close our friends are in the north. We wanted a fight and wanted you to come to Tribute. We all protect each other. Just as MM and D2 responded to yours and Outbreaks attack on their new egg a few weeks ago. MM responded for the help call and I sat and watched that egg all night to help my friends.

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Originally by: KOTH Fluf

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4. D2 did not plan your explusion from Tribute. Morsus Mihi made and lead the planning and intial dread deployment and strikes during the last week of the war. It was a carefully planned operation that I personally planned. All intial POS strikes were done by Morsus Mihi dreads during US timezones with a few Razor and D2 dreads that wanted to join in the fun. D2, Razor, Guard and MM FC's all lead gangs throughout the final week of the conflict. It has allowed all the alliances to gell and learn to fly together, thus making our friendships even stronger.

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Originally by: KOTH Fluf

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Your own arrogance will be your downfall...

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Originally by: Shadowsword

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Originally by: KOTH Fluf

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1. TCF failed to understand the friendship in the north and barged into Venal without asking or diplomatic talks. This started your poor relationship with everyone and was a major failure with your new alliance.

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We knew there was a risk of seeing your friends coming, but we didn't saw it as something inevitable.

Originally by: KOTH Fluf


2. Invading Tribute while the entire north was helping each other in XZH vs the Goons was a good tactical move on your part, but wasnt the wisest thing to do as you did not understand the relationships.
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See above, and a wide-open target was very temptimg. guess you'll leave you homes better protected next time. :p

Originally by: KOTH Fluf

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3. Morsus Mihi knew you were going to be hitting us 4 days before we left for Cloud Ring. We went anyway. That should tell you how close our friends are in the north. We wanted a fight and wanted you to come to Tribute. We all protect each other. Just as MM and D2 responded to yours and Outbreaks attack on their new egg a few weeks ago. MM responded for the help call and I sat and watched that egg all night to help my friends.

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Surely you knew we were going to kick off a major offensive (spies ftw), but I highly doubt you knew who was the target, becasue only the leaders did, and the assault fleet didn't even knew where it was going.

Originally by: KOTH Fluf

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4. D2 did not plan your explusion from Tribute. Morsus Mihi made and lead the planning and intial dread deployment and strikes during the last week of the war. It was a carefully planned operation that I personally planned. All intial POS strikes were done by Morsus Mihi dreads during US timezones with a few Razor and D2 dreads that wanted to join in the fun. D2, Razor, Guard and MM FC's all lead gangs throughout the final week of the conflict. It has allowed all the alliances to gell and learn to fly together, thus making our friendships even stronger.

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Attacking us in US timezones sure was effective. But that you need to use this tactic to get our poses without too much opposition is pretty suggestive.

Originally by: KOTH Fluf

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Your own arrogance will be your downfall...

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...Arrogance... You mean like this?

[ 2006.07.30 07:35:33 ] KOTH Fluf > in 3 days you will be gone
frederik > oki
frederik > people told me same thing 3 month ago when we entered venal )
KOTH Fluf > lol
KOTH Fluf > Shiva wasnt here
KOTH Fluf > we are now
frederik > oki cool more fun )
KOTH Fluf > and we are very experienced with driving people out of NPC stations
KOTH Fluf > ask Colsup
KOTH Fluf > we are x-FA
frederik > we are a pvp alliance so isnt a trouble
KOTH Fluf > lol
frederik > we chose north for the challange
KOTH Fluf > you guys are worse then Xelas
frederik > oki)
KOTH Fluf > I find you too easy
frederik > oki cool
KOTH Fluf > you guys blew it
KOTH Fluf > and your brought your own destruction
frederik > i understood u dont need more flame )
KOTH Fluf > no flame just fact bro
frederik > oki
KOTH Fluf > Ive been fighting BOB for 2 years now
frederik > i am a noob in pvp
KOTH Fluf > you have brought this on yourselves
KOTH Fluf > and you will suffer the consequences
frederik > we are a pvp alliance noob but we ll try
KOTH Fluf > we are not thats the point
KOTH Fluf > you have awoken the sleeping bear
KOTH Fluf > and its is very angry now
KOTH Fluf > this alliance now has one goal
frederik > that our way we chose the most powerfull ally d2
KOTH Fluf > and that is to destroy your alliance
KOTH Fluf > to the last ship
KOTH Fluf > we do not need D2
frederik > can i keep an incursus ?)
KOTH Fluf > lol

A saying about pots and kettles comes to mind...

As for driving us out of venal, we shall see...

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Not arrogance just fact.

Shiva alone vs TCF since July 1st when we move up here:
Totals:
Kills 901- 21336.56M
Losses 177- 9830.22M
And we are not done. Good fun though.
Fluf
CEO Shiva
Morsus Mihi

Originally by: Rimini Toranos

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Originally by: Emrod

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The TCF diplomacy suck? Maybey and I dont careBecause now its gonna be eternal war here :p

Morsus win in tribute? In fact we leave D7 ourself not because you kick us out of there!

... etc, crap, crap, etc, crap

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Let's put it in simple terms:

We win, you lose! and stop smacking about it.

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Originally by: DigitalCommunist

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Wow this thread is going places.

Anyhow, I'd just like to say that it would of been a better "trial by fire" if MM proved it could bounce back on its own. Seems you are taking a bit too much credit for what is basically a coalition of alliances against one. And as it stands, theres no way to tell if you would of ever retaken the region without D2's help.

Which is a shame, it would have been better for the north. Either MM gets stronger or a new alliance that isn't friendly to D2 takes over. Right now I can't really think of a single territorial alliance with stations in the entire upper half of EVE that isn't napped with D2.

I swear to god its NAST all over again, and you know what that means.. D2 = the new PA. :|

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Originally by: DigitalCommunist

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Wow this thread is going places.

Anyhow, I'd just like to say that it would of been a better "trial by fire" if MM proved it could bounce back on its own. Seems you are taking a bit too much credit for what is basically a coalition of alliances against one. And as it stands, theres no way to tell if you would of ever retaken the region without D2's help.

Which is a shame, it would have been better for the north. Either MM gets stronger or a new alliance that isn't friendly to D2 takes over. Right now I can't really think of a single territorial alliance with stations in the entire upper half of EVE that isn't napped with D2.

I swear to god its NAST all over again, and you know what that means.. D2 = the new PA. :|

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Originally by: Gusar Mora

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ACTIONS SPEAK LOUER THAN WORDS.

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Originally by: Gusar Mora

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Wow TCF you realy are going places, I admire your enthusiasm, at this rate i will be seeing you all in empire in 1-2 months (Tribute-->Venal--> Empire), where we can celebrate your extrodinary accomplishments.

Reality is TCF you got the boot and all I em hearing now is excuses, excuses, excuses. Plz suck it up and take it like a man. Its geting emberesing to hearing your empty chalenges and arguments. "its not over, you will see" etc. ACTIONS SPEAK LOUER THAN WORDS.

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Originally by: Gozmoth

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Originally by: Gusar Mora

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ACTIONS SPEAK LOUER THAN WORDS.

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Exactly ! That's why we have taken a station and hold it during several weeks against mm AND guard AND rzr AND d2.

I think it is the best one-sentence summary.

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Originally by: Gozmoth

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Originally by: Gusar Mora

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ACTIONS SPEAK LOUER THAN WORDS.

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Exactly ! That's why we have taken a station and hold it during several weeks against mm AND guard AND rzr AND d2.

I think it is the best one-sentence summary.

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Originally by: pershphanie

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...However I think you will see a new MM very soon. 4s tends to be alot more active once the weather cools down. I'd be carefull not to underestimate them like that. They are no joke. I pitty who ever takes on the task of trying to drive them from a region.

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Originally by: Don ZOLA

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sorry to brake ur dream but only reason u had that station was due to ur poslagwarfare... and its stupid to point on rawr allies all the time when u have/had allies aswell...

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Originally by: Gusar Mora

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if you hav read my first post on this thred you would of seen that I mentioned that you taking over D7-zac station was like paying rent 1 month which cost you 60bilion isk, plz explain to me how this is not a failure on big a.s.s scale.

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Originally by: Gusar Mora

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Originally by: Gozmoth

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Originally by: Gusar Mora

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ACTIONS SPEAK LOUER THAN WORDS.

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Exactly ! That's why we have taken a station and hold it during several weeks against mm AND guard AND rzr AND d2.

I think it is the best one-sentence summary.

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if you hav read my first post on this thred you would of seen that I mentioned that you taking over D7-zac station was like paying rent 1 month which cost you 60bilion isk, plz explain to me how this is not a failure on big a.s.s scale.

as for other dude, I owe you no explanation on who I am, your aliance same with MM aliance are here to be scrutinised by eve comunity, I am just one of the judges. get used to it.

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Originally by: Fred0

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Not least Koth Fluf who turned the tide by providing US timezone thingie we needed.

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Originally by: Kal'Kalagan

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"...Morsus Mihi entered Tribute 4 months ago. With the swift retreat of its former residents we missed the opportunity to truly christen the region with the blood and gore."

It is not often that I get involved in these forums but I as a former resident of Tribute want to make one thing clear. The Forsaken Empire stood against -G- Alliance in a two week siege of Tribute, we took all they had to offer and survived.

Unfortunately internal political difficulties ended FE and what was left after that fell back to the Vale and formed VOID.

Morsus Mihi had previously tried to take Geminate from FE while we struggled against The Five, we removed them easily in comparison to -G- and I doubt without their D2 allies they would be holding Tribute now.

Tribute is now another example of a D2 puppet region, another buffer region there to protect them from the forces who could really challenge them. This is good planning on their part and I do not criticise them for it. However the petty alliances in these regions should not pretend they are anything special without their D2 sponsors.

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Originally by: Urm TheMad

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Hi,

First of all, I would like to congratulate our adversaries for their victory. A victory is when you own the field, they own the field.
That such a simple concept is not understood by all our members is an insult to the great fights we had.

MM won, in part, because of his friendships with others. That we regret this is, this time, an insult to intelligence. Friends/alliance/allies, call them what you want, they are a big part in war equations. In that regard, there is no discussion that MM gave us a lesson in strategic warfare.

At the end of the day, for most of us it was a terrific blast and a great learning ground. What we will do with that knowledge is not yet know.
Maybe we will try a second time to break the North coalition of alliances, not because they are ennemies (they aren't) but because they are worthy adversaries.

Urm

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Originally by: deadmaus

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Originally by: Urm TheMad

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Hi,

First of all, I would like to congratulate our adversaries for their victory. A victory is when you own the field, they own the field.
That such a simple concept is not understood by all our members is an insult to the great fights we had.

MM won, in part, because of his friendships with others. That we regret this is, this time, an insult to intelligence. Friends/alliance/allies, call them what you want, they are a big part in war equations. In that regard, there is no discussion that MM gave us a lesson in strategic warfare.

At the end of the day, for most of us it was a terrific blast and a great learning ground. What we will do with that knowledge is not yet know.
Maybe we will try a second time to break the North coalition of alliances, not because they are ennemies (they aren't) but because they are worthy adversaries.

Urm

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Sir I salute you and can only wish all my opponents where as honest and diplomatic as you.
Now had you made first contact with us early on things may have been different.
But then we would all have missed out on the great fights of the last month or so,
Look forward to meeting you on the battlefield again my friend.

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Originally by: Kal'Kalagan

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Morsus Mihi had previously tried to take Geminate from FE while we struggled against The Five, we removed them easily in comparison to -G- and I doubt without their D2 allies they would be holding Tribute now.

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Originally by: ProXorP

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See you soon D¦ and D¦ babies ^^

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Originally by: Kal'Kalagan

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"...Morsus Mihi entered Tribute 4 months ago. With the swift retreat of its former residents we missed the opportunity to truly christen the region with the blood and gore."

It is not often that I get involved in these forums but I as a former resident of Tribute want to make one thing clear. The Forsaken Empire stood against -G- Alliance in a two week siege of Tribute, we took all they had to offer and survived.

Unfortunately internal political difficulties ended FE and what was left after that fell back to the Vale and formed VOID.

Morsus Mihi had previously tried to take Geminate from FE while we struggled against The Five, we removed them easily in comparison to -G- and I doubt without their D2 allies they would be holding Tribute now.

Tribute is now another example of a D2 puppet region, another buffer region there to protect them from the forces who could really challenge them. This is good planning on their part and I do not criticise them for it. However the petty alliances in these regions should not pretend they are anything special without their D2 sponsors.

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Originally by: KOTH Fluf

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Not arrogance just fact.

Shiva alone vs TCF since July 1st when we move up here:
Totals:
Kills 901- 21336.56M
Losses 177- 9830.22M

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Originally by: Garek

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Originally by: KOTH Fluf

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Not arrogance just fact.

Shiva alone vs TCF since July 1st when we move up here:
Totals:
Kills 901- 21336.56M
Losses 177- 9830.22M

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Koth, I think you should review your stats and remove all your kills with any other alliance involved :)

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Originally by: Derkan

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Originally by: Garek

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Originally by: KOTH Fluf

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Not arrogance just fact.

Shiva alone vs TCF since July 1st when we move up here:
Totals:
Kills 901- 21336.56M
Losses 177- 9830.22M

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Koth, I think you should review your stats and remove all your kills with any other alliance involved :)

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This has to be the most retarded reply in this thread.

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Originally by: Garek

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Originally by: Derkan

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Originally by: Garek

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Originally by: KOTH Fluf

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Not arrogance just fact.

Shiva alone vs TCF since July 1st when we move up here:
Totals:
Kills 901- 21336.56M
Losses 177- 9830.22M

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Koth, I think you should review your stats and remove all your kills with any other alliance involved :)

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This has to be the most retarded reply in this thread.

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First of all show a little respect and don't call me a retard.
Second read the post just facts


"Shiva alone vs TCF since July 1st when we move up here:"

Shiva alone so tcf alone against shiva gave those numbers from our KB so take the average you are almost even.

Next time try to avoid such replies. As usual if you can't keep from smacking, go have a run for 10 minutes and come back think twice before posting and be polite!

Thank you

Regards

Garek

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Originally by: WiseMagic

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If I could c for myself what the stats are and we all know ur guys are not the best at posting loses

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Originally by: WiseMagic

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Can u explain how ur KB work I had a look at them but couldn`t seem to c ne system looked very messy. If I could c for myself what the stats are and we all know ur guys are not the best at posting loses

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Originally by: Derkan

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Did i hit a nerve there kid? i said the reply was retarded.

And everyone knows your killboard has some goofy isk win/loss numbers that makes no sence what so ever.

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Originally by: Omeega

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Originally by: Derkan

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Did i hit a nerve there kid? i said the reply was retarded.

And everyone knows your killboard has some goofy isk win/loss numbers that makes no sence what so ever.

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Stop beeing a fukctard.

your alliance is a joke.

you manage to lose a solo dread to a lonely POS (wtf?) and enjoy warping a fleet @ 15km from POS to get trapped by 2-3 dictors.

Then complain about omgwtf game mechanics! lag! but you still don't understand that lag is the only thing that saves you as skill atm in this game can't realy count when you engage big numbers.

great.

go back to what you do best - scuk D2.

(wich i love btw - hello ramireza! ;) )

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Originally by: CLEISTHENES2

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Too much flames in this thread calling the fire brigade

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Originally by: Omeega

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Originally by: Derkan

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Did i hit a nerve there kid? i said the reply was retarded.

And everyone knows your killboard has some goofy isk win/loss numbers that makes no sence what so ever.

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Stop beeing a fukctard.

your alliance is a joke.

you manage to lose a solo dread to a lonely POS (wtf?) and enjoy warping a fleet @ 15km from POS to get trapped by 2-3 dictors.

Then complain about omgwtf game mechanics! lag! but you still don't understand that lag is the only thing that saves you as skill atm in this game can't realy count when you engage big numbers.

great.

go back to what you do best - scuk D2.

(wich i love btw - hello ramireza! ;) )

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Originally by: Cyleth

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Originally by: CLEISTHENES2

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Too much flames in this thread calling the fire brigade

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Naw, this thread would need David Hasselhoff.

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Originally by: Kye Kenshin

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The North being "allied" isn't a good thing.

With your "great" victory over TCF who you gonna shoot now?

I forsee only boredom and misplaced confidence for the D2 allies.

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Originally by: WiseMagic

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WOW lack of respect there are you just a angry with the situation?. Are you a TCF posting with another character? If so maybe that explains your anger I know its hard not having a home no more.

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Originally by: Alasse Cuthalion

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Congratulations on only needing four months to retake a system with the help of several major alliances!

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Originally by: DigitalCommunist

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I swear to god its NAST all over again, and you know what that means.. D2 = the new PA. :|

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Originally by: Murukan

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The north is so retarded imo, no wonder i see so much d2 and iron in the south. Must suck having to go 40 jumps to find targets to shoot.

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Originally by: Alasse Cuthalion

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Congratulations on only needing four months to retake a system with the help of several major alliances!

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Originally by: DigitalCommunist

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it would have been better for the north. Either MM gets stronger or a new alliance that isn't friendly to D2 takes over. Right now I can't really think of a single territorial alliance with stations in the entire upper half of EVE that isn't napped with D2.

I swear to god its NAST all over again, and you know what that means.. D2 = the new PA. :|

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Originally by: Shadowsword

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The very thought of Amerame as one of our diplomats make me wake up screaming...

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Originally by: Nafri

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You didnt manage to seperate the north with a POS war in the Red alliance style.

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Originally by: Nafri

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Enemies whos only target is to annoy with the most annoying Eve has to offer (POS wars) arent worthy enemies nor will earn my respect. You dared a lot, either d7 or nothing and now you got nothing.

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Originally by: Urm TheMad

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Hi,

First of all, I would like to congratulate our adversaries for their victory. A victory is when you own the field, they own the field.
That such a simple concept is not understood by all our members is an insult to the great fights we had.

MM won, in part, because of his friendships with others. That we regret this is, this time, an insult to intelligence. Friends/alliance/allies, call them what you want, they are a big part in war equations. In that regard, there is no discussion that MM gave us a lesson in strategic warfare.

At the end of the day, for most of us it was a terrific blast and a great learning ground. What we will do with that knowledge is not yet know.
Maybe we will try a second time to break the North coalition of alliances, not because they are ennemies (they aren't) but because they are worthy adversaries.

Urm

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Originally by: DeadDuck

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Congratulations to all involved.

To TCF I will say that the force that you have shown during the 1st days was a surprise for me. The amount of capital ships deployed in action was awesome.

I will never go to forget those 5/6 dreads from TCF aligning inside a POS and then warp right to our Dread fleet attacking a POS in H-W. That was a nice move .

In the end we won but I guess that you already knew what the result would be.

On a personal note I'm sad that we have to fight. You already shown that you deserve a place on your own. Maybe time and a little more of "savoir faire" will manage to give you what you want.

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Originally by: Nafri

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...tar.gz...

MM and co are just D2 muppets!

Too bad that most of them are good old friends. Personally we know each other for a long long time. I had lots of guys from 4s in TDG and I know the MM guys for quite some time now.
I just dont see a point in betraying friends for your entertainment.

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Originally by: Nafri

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Just some statements before this thread will get locked:

The North, the happy blue:

The north got totally conquered by a group of friendly alliances within a few weeks (basicly, during 2 weeks I were in england).
The fact that the previus owners and challengers (KAOS, ERA and some other guys) couldnt stop us and had to retreat to the south is not our problems.
I always welcomed and always will welcome a worthy, fun oppenent. PvP, thats whats Eve is about anyway.
If you dont like the situation, and you want to change it, please come and visit us.

BoB and the "OMG IT TOOK ONLY bla bla month!"

Unlike you, we had to do this operation during the probably worst phase TQ ever had. The ammount of node crashes was huge.
Your last bigger POS war was in EC, when you had your own node for the operations, and the odds were even better for you than for the northerns now.
Guess what, when we got our own node, the issue was solved quickly (less than 1 week).

TCF and the omg, we wanted to retreat anyway

You were prepared to loose d7, I dont and wont deny that. But your originally plans failed. You didnt manage to seperate the north with a POS war in the Red alliance style.
Enemies whos only target is to annoy with the most annoying Eve has to offer (POS wars) arent worthy enemies nor will earn my respect. You dared a lot, either d7 or nothing and now you got nothing.
As I said, we need good opponents, not bad ones.

MM and co are just D2 muppets!

Too bad that most of them are good old friends. Personally we know each other for a long long time. I had lots of guys from 4s in TDG and I know the MM guys for quite some time now.
I just dont see a point in betraying friends for your entertainment.

If your bored in your region, do some drama yourself. I play the game for my pleasure and not yours .

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Originally by: DigitalCommunist

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I swear to god its NAST all over again, and you know what that means.. D2 = the new PA. :|

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Originally by: Krle

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Edited by: Krle on 25/09/2006 15:15:17
If the local is smack free why can't the forums be smack free (question to both sides)? Anyway, I need to ask one question:

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Originally by: Krle

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We left for XZH and left our moons not fully POSed up. Only to see them POSed with 2x~15 towers in both systems as we were returning.

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Originally by: Krle

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Even though we knew you were comming, the blitzkrieg was executed brilliantly, before we knew it we had our pos reinforced and further on some destroyed. After we got our stuff together we sieged one of your pos resulting in you guys initiating that bloodbath battle. When D2 and allies arrived you gave up on H-W and left 13 or so L pos to die there.

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Originally by: Krle

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D7 was a *****, lagfest + nos close fleet on our dreads. We stopped the sieges. The allies pulled back. It was just you and us. And what did you do? You didnt camp gates, you didnt sige the remainder of our POS. After a while your numbers dropped. When the second offensive started (yes, all the allies were with us on it) it was only node crashes that could stop us because we countered your nos close range tactics.

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Originally by: Sarion Stormweaver

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Originally by: DigitalCommunist

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I swear to god its NAST all over again, and you know what that means.. D2 = the new PA. :|

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Heh now let's wait and see if D2 it's gonna share the PA's fate.

Like fighting ATUK, and then FE former allies jump on them, and then IRON + G (former PA corps core of actual D2) + RAZOR (former PA corps) decide to jump in and deal the killing blow :P

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Originally by: Chewan Mesa

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It's basically every single thread about Morsus/TCF/D7- that turns into a flame-fest...

Why dont you just enjoy yourselves having a nice fight close by?

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Originally by: Zakalwe

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Ive talk with the leader of TCF , Frederik, as we spoke the same language, and im sad to say that it was impossible to get any information of the purpose of TCF in the North.
The only thing i could get is Venal was a good base to get isk because of agent mission running...

Impossible to get more...

I, and many french speaking people in this game, are truly sad to see this alliance lead by a team like that. Hope that as TCF was clearly kicked, the members of this alliance will change their leaders because of failing.

But ive no illusion, i know very well the French : im one...

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Originally by: Kal'Kalagan

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Morsus Mihi had previously tried to take Geminate from FE while we struggled against The Five, we removed them easily in comparison to -G- and I doubt without their D2 allies they would be holding Tribute now.

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Originally by: Alasse Cuthalion

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Congratulations on only needing four months to retake a system with the help of several major alliances!

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Originally by: Rociel

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Edited by: Rociel on 25/09/2006 18:22:12

Originally by: StoreSlem

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Originally by: Alasse Cuthalion

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Congratulations on only needing four months to retake a system with the help of several major alliances!

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Congratulations on teaching your butt how to write.
"If you were experiencing a lag, it was not server related."

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of course, there was only morsus which lag. TCF were arranged with the dev. to be only which not lag.

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Originally by: Kendar

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Originally by: Kal'Kalagan

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"...Morsus Mihi entered Tribute 4 months ago. With the swift retreat of its former residents we missed the opportunity to truly christen the region with the blood and gore."

It is not often that I get involved in these forums but I as a former resident of Tribute want to make one thing clear. The Forsaken Empire stood against -G- Alliance in a two week siege of Tribute, we took all they had to offer and survived.

Unfortunately internal political difficulties ended FE and what was left after that fell back to the Vale and formed VOID.

Morsus Mihi had previously tried to take Geminate from FE while we struggled against The Five, we removed them easily in comparison to -G- and I doubt without their D2 allies they would be holding Tribute now.

Tribute is now another example of a D2 puppet region, another buffer region there to protect them from the forces who could really challenge them. This is good planning on their part and I do not criticise them for it. However the petty alliances in these regions should not pretend they are anything special without their D2 sponsors.

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Think you mixed up the facts there a bit, FE naped .5. and tryed to kick RAWR out of ls- but failed, .5. left ls- after loosing a few dreads in a pos siege, we came to an agreement we could use ls- for a few weeks to refill wallets and FE stoped claiming the parts of geminate we wanted to be neutral.

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Originally by: Graalum

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Originally by: Kal'Kalagan

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Morsus Mihi had previously tried to take Geminate from FE while we struggled against The Five, we removed them easily in comparison to -G- and I doubt without their D2 allies they would be holding Tribute now.

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Talk about not knowing your history. It was the Five who gave you back Ls-jep (which 4s/hirr took from you right before you allied the five), and as far as i can tell you never had geminate except in the fact it inhabitants where napped with you. The one pos you had there was a medium and it was destroyed without oposition by noobs from SNU. The NPC stations where firmly controlled by 4s & friends.

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Originally by: Thecle Vifargent

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Sadly, the war was great, the afterwar is only dumb flamewar :(

It was great fighting with all the allies.
It was great fighting (and dying) against TCF.

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Originally by: Gusar Mora

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wow so much crap from all sides, even BOB has felt to join in the flame fest hehehe. Well it still doesnt matter because in the end things will not change for tcf or their beagle corp mates etc.



For TCF like I said before , you ppl should be ashamed, from the rumors that hve been coming through you have been expeled from d7 by force as 4-5 of your pos's got destroyed.

There is no point going D2 king and all others are pupets. D2 is storngest allince in north but it defently needs smaller ones to survive, its symbionic relationship on both sides. Survval of the fitests.

Tfc you have shamed your selves in this war even tho you are trying to spin doctor it to you being victims. I guess for every d2,mm reply u have another five, as your alliance has nothing batter to do. From prevous threads on tribute war it can be clearly concluded that:

1) tcf used shutles to lag pos's
2) tcf used Bm's in cargo holds to lag the system
3) tcf only fought in large blob's otherwise they just sat at their pos all they

So their tactice was lag out and sitt it out till others get bored.guess it dont work and they lost like 60billion isk plus. Shame tcf.


They claim it was a good learning crve, we wanted it that way, but all I can conclude from that was this:

1) they went into it to loose
2) spent 60+billion of isk to get conquarble outpost,when they could of made 2 somwhere with that isk
3) leasson learned is FAILURE
4) Tcf is poor.

I dont know about rest of the eve , but as a forum ***** and being isk maniac, it hurts me to read so much waste isk on some attempt to learn fleet fighting ( so they claim). It clear that TCF leadership must change if they ever gona come back,otherwise ill be seeing em soon in empire .

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Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1

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And about bob ppl teeling how we are like PA, i dont see too much of a real threat around ur terretory aswell with fix out of the way and ascn mining for their titan moduls. ;)

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Originally by: pershphanie

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Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1

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And about bob ppl teeling how we are like PA, i dont see too much of a real threat around ur terretory aswell with fix out of the way and ascn mining for their titan moduls. ;)

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Thats exactly what PA would have said.

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Originally by: WiseMagic

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Originally by: Dracolich

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Does my eyes deceive me, or does it look like some x-FA vs some x-FA? On a further note... It looks like all had their fun during this process. On yet another note, if MM wanted TCF to come, what did they want to prove? How strong the north stands together, or did they want to test their own strength?(I sincerely hope that MM do not consider this as smack, coz its not intended).

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SmackSmackSmack uhh is funny when people are ****ed off because they lost there homes all they are left with is there smack.

But to ur post yeah u could say that there were x FA on both sides but still if one writes its not intended as smack then it usualy is.

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Originally by: kashkaisha

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Originally by: Gusar Mora

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...biggest load os BS of the whole thread...

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hum, post whit your main ?

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Originally by: Miss Lilly

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Morsus Mihi Press Release regarding Tribute region



Tribute - the whole Tribute - is now unequivocally our home. Those who violate it will find, as TCF has found, just how hard we hit, and how deep our determination runs. If you want to have peaceful entry to our home region, contact one of our diplomats. If you want to have fights, we'll be here. In numbers.

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Originally by: pershphanie

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Originally by: Graalum

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Originally by: Kal'Kalagan

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Morsus Mihi had previously tried to take Geminate from FE while we struggled against The Five, we removed them easily in comparison to -G- and I doubt without their D2 allies they would be holding Tribute now.

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Talk about not knowing your history. It was the Five who gave you back Ls-jep (which 4s/hirr took from you right before you allied the five), and as far as i can tell you never had geminate except in the fact it inhabitants where napped with you. The one pos you had there was a medium and it was destroyed without oposition by noobs from SNU. The NPC stations where firmly controlled by 4s & friends.

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Alot of BS in that. We got LS back from diplomatic negotiations with shone. (very long dificult ones) It is true we didnt care much about geminate. The only reason we claimed geminate is because all i had to do to get it is say "FE now claims geminate" in the map thread. We never autherized even one fleet to go patrol geminate. We claimed it so we could divide it up into pieces and give it away to people in exchange for having people feel like they owed us something. We never really had any interest in the region.

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Originally by: Nafri

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a bit of forum drama is never bad, especially when your bored

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Originally by: pershphanie

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Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1

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And about bob ppl teeling how we are like PA, i dont see too much of a real threat around ur terretory aswell with fix out of the way and ascn mining for their titan moduls. ;)

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Thats exactly what PA would have said.

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Originally by: DeadDuck

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Originally by: pershphanie

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Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1

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And about bob ppl teeling how we are like PA, i dont see too much of a real threat around ur terretory aswell with fix out of the way and ascn mining for their titan moduls. ;)

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Thats exactly what PA would have said.

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I really dont understand the analogy between D2 and PA ... well they are in the same region, but errr thats all Does anyone care to explain me that ?

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Originally by: pershphanie

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Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1

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And about bob ppl teeling how we are like PA, i dont see too much of a real threat around ur terretory aswell with fix out of the way and ascn mining for their titan moduls. ;)

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Thats exactly what PA would have said.

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Originally by: Dekiri

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Edited by: Dekiri on 26/09/2006 13:38:12

Since apparently noone has pulled out that gag yet i would like to announce it here and now.

On the behalf of useless inc. i would like to say that i am always happy to see one of these roleplayer alliances achieve something!

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Originally by: LeviUK

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Seriously though, good job by both sides.. I simply stopped playing EVE partway into the campaign because I found it utterly pointless fighting with up to 5minute reponse times on modules and navigation commands. In the end, the node reinforcement seemed to do the trick. Had it been stable from the start, who knows how it could have been with just TCF v MM but hey, that's what allies are for.

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Originally by: DigitalCommunist

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Right now I can't really think of a single territorial alliance with stations in the entire upper half of EVE that isn't napped with D2.

I swear to god its NAST all over again, and you know what that means.. D2 = the new PA. :|

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Originally by: DigitalCommunist

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Wow this thread is going places.

Anyhow, I'd just like to say that it would of been a better "trial by fire" if MM proved it could bounce back on its own. Seems you are taking a bit too much credit for what is basically a coalition of alliances against one. And as it stands, theres no way to tell if you would of ever retaken the region without D2's help.

Which is a shame, it would have been better for the north. Either MM gets stronger or a new alliance that isn't friendly to D2 takes over. Right now I can't really think of a single territorial alliance with stations in the entire upper half of EVE that isn't napped with D2.

I swear to god its NAST all over again, and you know what that means.. D2 = the new PA. :|

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Originally by: DeadDuck

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Originally by: pershphanie

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Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1

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And about bob ppl teeling how we are like PA, i dont see too much of a real threat around ur terretory aswell with fix out of the way and ascn mining for their titan moduls. ;)

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Thats exactly what PA would have said.

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I really dont understand the analogy between D2 and PA ... well they are in the same region, but errr thats all Does anyone care to explain me that ?

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Originally by: pershphanie

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Originally by: DeadDuck

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Originally by: pershphanie

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Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1

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And about bob ppl teeling how we are like PA, i dont see too much of a real threat around ur terretory aswell with fix out of the way and ascn mining for their titan moduls. ;)

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Thats exactly what PA would have said.

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I really dont understand the analogy between D2 and PA ... well they are in the same region, but errr thats all Does anyone care to explain me that ?

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Of course you dont understand. Because if D2 = PA that would make razor NBSI. NBSI was always clueless so it does not suprise me that you dont understand.

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Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse

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Originally by: DigitalCommunist

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Right now I can't really think of a single territorial alliance with stations in the entire upper half of EVE that isn't napped with D2.

I swear to god its NAST all over again, and you know what that means.. D2 = the new PA. :|

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Eh eh eh, double standards ftl. Not to long ago BoB was napped with nearly everybody except the north :P

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Originally by: DigitalCommunist

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Double standards? I don't think so my emotionally sensitive friend.

D2 is NAP-happy for the sole purpose of creating peace & stability, not just internally, but for the entire North.

Hostile alliance invades friendly alliance? - To the dreadmobile!
Random corp asks for standings? - Why not!
Did I see you in PA two years ago? - I won't shoot!
Your corp left us to pirate EVE University? - Stay in touch!
Couldn't handle BoB in Fountain? - You can crash with us!
Your name is Hans? - So is mine!

It may have something to do with all those TRUST people (a.k.a. XETIC v2.0) who took charge. They are hardcore industrialists whose only strategy to avoid being slapped around again is to do the exact same thing they did before.. but only this time staying BEHIND the human shield of pvp corps and neighbouring alliances.

Its a pretty good strategy actually. Unless you're a pvper!

Nutshell..

WildCard > revenge against BoB, jah?
Studi > nein! we must replenish zi wallets
WildCard > auch >;((


(its usually cooler in my head :I ..

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Originally by: DigitalCommunist

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I swear to god its NAST all over again, and you know what that means.. D2 = the new PA. :|

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Originally by: DigitalCommunist

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Its a pretty good strategy actually. Unless you're a pvper!

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Originally by: DigitalCommunist

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Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse

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Originally by: DigitalCommunist

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Right now I can't really think of a single territorial alliance with stations in the entire upper half of EVE that isn't napped with D2.

I swear to god its NAST all over again, and you know what that means.. D2 = the new PA. :|

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Eh eh eh, double standards ftl. Not to long ago BoB was napped with nearly everybody except the north :P

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Double standards? I don't think so my emotionally sensitive friend.

D2 is NAP-happy for the sole purpose of creating peace & stability, not just internally, but for the entire North.

Hostile alliance invades friendly alliance? - To the dreadmobile!
Random corp asks for standings? - Why not!
Did I see you in PA two years ago? - I won't shoot!
Your corp left us to pirate EVE University? - Stay in touch!
Couldn't handle BoB in Fountain? - You can crash with us!
Your name is Hans? - So is mine!

It may have something to do with all those TRUST people (a.k.a. XETIC v2.0) who took charge. They are hardcore industrialists whose only strategy to avoid being slapped around again is to do the exact same thing they did before.. but only this time staying BEHIND the human shield of pvp corps and neighbouring alliances.

Its a pretty good strategy actually. Unless you're a pvper!

Nutshell..

WildCard > revenge against BoB, jah?
Studi > nein! we must replenish zi wallets
WildCard > auch >;((


(its usually cooler in my head :I ..

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Originally by: pershphanie

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Originally by: DeadDuck

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Originally by: pershphanie

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Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1

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And about bob ppl teeling how we are like PA, i dont see too much of a real threat around ur terretory aswell with fix out of the way and ascn mining for their titan moduls. ;)

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Thats exactly what PA would have said.

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I really dont understand the analogy between D2 and PA ... well they are in the same region, but errr thats all Does anyone care to explain me that ?

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Of course you dont understand. Because if D2 = PA that would make razor NBSI. NBSI was always clueless so it does not suprise me that you dont understand.

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