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Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.25 12:18:00 -
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They come in the night like parasites to devour all we value. They feed off the souls of people everywhere and bring with them a wave of destruction comparable to that of an Avatar. Their focus on self-gratification above all else shows their true contempt of God. Who are they?
THE GALLANTE
While some Gallante have found their place in service of God and have sought enlightenment and service far to many of these people have abandoned all that is holy in their lives and instead embraced darkness and uncertainty.
Listen to a Gallante and he'll tell you a "story" about his life. Freedom, capsuleer identity, the crystal avenue and wonderous entertainment. He'll make it sound like the Gallante Federation is the greatest place in the universe.
But travel to any major Gallante city and you will see the truth.
While certainly some streets are beautiful, full of crystal towers and busy storefronts, a closer look at their society reveals the truth of the matter. On a recent visit there to deliver some supplies to an SPCS undercover facility I had the opportunity to observe this "lifestyle" first hand.
Walking down the street I noticed well dressed happy people, talking on their mobile viewers and doing the business of the day. I saw what they want you to see. But being a man of God and one who is observant I also saw what they don't want to acknowledge.
Godlessness.
In these glittering building storefronts I saw signs like "XXX" and "HOLOVID PLEASURE PALACE" and "HOLOVID ADULT ENTERTAINMENT RENTALS". I saw people on the corners under plain sight by Gallante "police" selling small pills I identified as drugs just on sight. I also saw the forgotten people.
Men, women and children, sitting in the alleys near the shiny streets, destitute and hopeless. I saw several people sticking needles in their arms injecting Lord only knows what drugs into their systems. I saw near open displays of pure porxography on video monitors and down one alley saw several Gallante people engaged in what could only be described as a "group activity". It was obscene yet "typical" for what I've come to learn are Gallante "values".
After visiting this city I went to the Monestary on Chaven for a week to purge my soul of visions I had seen in this "Federation" and the sin that flowed from every corner into the very hearts of man.
These people who claim to value "capsuleer identity" have in fact no values at all. They are focused on self gratification and pleasure above anything else and will betray even a family member for their next blue pill fix. They are a lost people with insiginificant values and a lack of firm leadership. A leadership that God could bring them.
I encourage all Amarrians and Caldari who I know also deal with Gallante "influence" to not abandon hope. Rather work in Gods name to stop these corrupt people and their ways of sin. Your soul depends on your ability to avoid these "lifestyle" choices and remain on course with God.
If you are tempted by these "lifestyle" choices, if you have fallen into the trap of porxography and sxx, if you have used illict drugs and betrayed your friends for a fix. You can still be helped. Notify a Priest and submit yourself for treatment. Do not give in to the evils of this decadent "federation".
Stay true to God and His blessings will be yours.
Archbishop
PIE Priest
PIE WEBSITE & FORUMS
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Grimpak
Gallente
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.25 12:28:00 -
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live or not live.
choices choices.
human kind stagnant one is not.
one's choices are his own.
amarrian sheep learn that life in thin razor life is collourfull.
yours is grey.
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 Originally by: Abdalion
Originally by: Jebidus Skari
What, in EVE, is a Tyrant?
Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
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Thuul'Khalat
Phoenix Wing
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Posted - 2006.09.25 12:50:00 -
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Who are these Gallante you refer to?
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Ituralde
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.09.25 13:58:00 -
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Try looking beyond the monestaries and temples, Archbishop, past the gilded upper stories of even the central cities to some of those places the church 'reccomends' visitors do not attend. There are more than you know and I can tell you that not even you could justify what you could see there.
Such is the life of the planetside cities.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.25 14:00:00 -
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Amarr Victor!
The time has come to give Gallenteans a cleansing they deserve.
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Directive
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Posted - 2006.09.25 14:04:00 -
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While I normally stay quiet here; I must strongly object to this Amarrian slander. I have taken the liberty to slightly alter your religious propaganda, Archbishop. You see, it works both ways.
They come in the night like parasites to devour all we value. They feed off the lives of people everywhere and bring with them a wave of destruction comparable to that of an orbital bombardment. Their focus on self-gratification above all else shows their true contempt of democracy. Who are they?
THE AMARR
While some Amarr have found their place in service of democracy and have sought freedom and justice far to many of these people have abandoned all that is dear in their lives and instead embraced fanaticism and fundamentalism.
Listen to a Amarr and he'll tell you a "story" about his "god". Servitude, prostration, religion and humbleness. He'll make it sound like the Amarr Empire is the greatest place in the universe.
But travel to any major Amarr city and you will see the truth.
While certainly some streets are beautiful, full of archaic buildings and clean storefronts, a closer look at their society reveals the truth of the matter. On a recent visit there to deliver some supplies to an undercover agent I had the opportunity to observe this decadent "lifestyle" first hand.
Walking down the street I noticed officially dressed religious people, talking to their fellow believers and saying praise to the God. I saw what they want you to see. But being a man of freedom and one who is observant I also saw what they don't want to acknowledge.
Oppression.
In these glittering building storefronts I saw signs like "SCRIPTURES" and "HOLOVID PRAYER CORNER" and "HOLOVID SCRIPTURE RENTALS". I saw Amarr soldiers on the corners under plain sight injecting drugs in mistreated Matari slaves. I also saw the forgotten people.
Men, women and children, sitting in the alleys near the shiny streets, destitute and hopeless. I saw several people whispering dark things and glints of sharpened blades. I saw near open displays of pure Amarr propaganda on video monitors and down one alley saw several Amarr people engaged in what could only be described as a "group activity", beating on a ni-kunni child. It was obscene yet "typical" for what I've come to learn are Amarr "values".
After visiting this city I went to ship and woved never to return, for my soul had been tainted by visions I had seen in this "Empire" and the malice that flowed from every corner into the very hearts of man.
These people who claim to value "humbleness" have in fact no values at all. They are focused on self gratification and pleasure above anything else and will betray even a family member for their next promotion. They are a lost people with insiginificant values and a lack of firm leadership. A leadership that true freedom could bring them.
I encourage all Gallente, Minmatar and Caldari who I know also deal with Amarr "influence" to not abandon hope. Rather work in the name of freedom and democracy to stop these thoroughly corrupt people and their ways of slavery. Your sanity depends on your ability to avoid these decadent "lifestyle" choices and remain on course with freedom.
If you are tempted by these "lifestyle" choices, if you have fallen into the trap of religious fanaticism and enslaving, if you have forced drugs on slaves and betrayed your friends for a promotion. You may still be helped. Notify a privateer and submit yourself for treatment of "podding". Do not give in to the evils of this decadent "empire".
Stay true to democracy and freedom will be yours.
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Vicarrah
Minmatar
Three Kind Buds
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Posted - 2006.09.25 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop
They come in the night like parasites to devour all we value. They feed off the souls of people everywhere and bring with them a wave of destruction comparable to that of an Avatar. Their focus on self-gratification above all else shows their true contempt of God. Who are they?
THE GALLANTE
While some Gallante have found their place in service of God and have sought enlightenment and service far to many of these people have abandoned all that is holy in their lives and instead embraced darkness and uncertainty.
Listen to a Gallante and he'll tell you a "story" about his life. Freedom, capsuleer identity, the crystal avenue and wonderous entertainment. He'll make it sound like the Gallante Federation is the greatest place in the universe.
But travel to any major Gallante city and you will see the truth.
While certainly some streets are beautiful, full of crystal towers and busy storefronts, a closer look at their society reveals the truth of the matter. On a recent visit there to deliver some supplies to an SPCS undercover facility I had the opportunity to observe this "lifestyle" first hand.
Walking down the street I noticed well dressed happy people, talking on their mobile viewers and doing the business of the day. I saw what they want you to see. But being a man of God and one who is observant I also saw what they don't want to acknowledge.
Godlessness.
In these glittering building storefronts I saw signs like "XXX" and "HOLOVID PLEASURE PALACE" and "HOLOVID ADULT ENTERTAINMENT RENTALS". I saw people on the corners under plain sight by Gallante "police" selling small pills I identified as drugs just on sight. I also saw the forgotten people.
Men, women and children, sitting in the alleys near the shiny streets, destitute and hopeless. I saw several people sticking needles in their arms injecting Lord only knows what drugs into their systems. I saw near open displays of pure porxography on video monitors and down one alley saw several Gallante people engaged in what could only be described as a "group activity". It was obscene yet "typical" for what I've come to learn are Gallante "values".
After visiting this city I went to the Monestary on Chaven for a week to purge my soul of visions I had seen in this "Federation" and the sin that flowed from every corner into the very hearts of man.
These people who claim to value "capsuleer identity" have in fact no values at all. They are focused on self gratification and pleasure above anything else and will betray even a family member for their next blue pill fix. They are a lost people with insiginificant values and a lack of firm leadership. A leadership that God could bring them.
I encourage all Amarrians and Caldari who I know also deal with Gallante "influence" to not abandon hope. Rather work in Gods name to stop these corrupt people and their ways of sin. Your soul depends on your ability to avoid these "lifestyle" choices and remain on course with God.
If you are tempted by these "lifestyle" choices, if you have fallen into the trap of porxography and sxx, if you have used illict drugs and betrayed your friends for a fix. You can still be helped. Notify a Priest and submit yourself for treatment. Do not give in to the evils of this decadent "federation".
Stay true to God and His blessings will be yours.
Archbishop
PIE Priest
Vicarrah
Tahiri |
Able Citizen
True Core
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Posted - 2006.09.25 14:13:00 -
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Not even the wildest Gallente practices could imbrue a society more severely than the stench of slavery. |
Jobie Thickburger
Gallente
Intergalactic Mining
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Posted - 2006.09.25 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop
Men, women and children, sitting in the alleys near the shiny streets, destitute and hopeless. I saw several people sticking needles in their arms injecting Lord only knows what drugs into their systems. I saw near open displays of pure porxography on video monitors and down one alley saw several Gallante people engaged in what could only be described as a "group activity". It was obscene yet "typical" for what I've come to learn are Gallante "values".
I, for one, am glad to have managed to escape the poverty stricken reigons of "Home".
The Federation always shows images of a rich, fun loving, and care free society. What they don't mention is that most of these places they are showing are the capitals of the different regions. The places where the rich live.
I grew up on a Poorer planet, Granted, I was lucky enough to be the son of a Leiutenant in the Navy, but that doesn't mean we were by anyone's standards "rich". I saw first hand growing up the swarms of people standing in line to get their daily rations from the warefare office. You should have seen some of the fights that would break out if they ran out of the Green Paste they would offer on Tuesdays...
I was lucky enough to be enrolled in the CAS, And after that, To be accepted as a pod pilot. It didn't take long for me to end up in Domain space, and discover what a truely prosperous society was like. A place where there were no starving poor as there are back home. A place where even those classed as Slaves were treated better than the free, drug addicted, poor persons of Stou.
Thank you, the people of Amarr, for showing me what a true society can be like, and I'm proud to help in the defense of the Empire.
His Planetship, CEO, IM
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Gaius Kador
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.25 14:19:00 -
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Your sermons are always enjoyable, Archbishop.
Let us hope the unwashed masses heed your words of wisdom.
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Kaleigh Doyle
Rho Dynamics
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Posted - 2006.09.25 14:59:00 -
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You know what makes the Federation beautiful?
Archbishop is free to express his dislike of our culture, free from persecution and harassment. In fact, there many within the nation who share his opinions that coexist peacefully beside them, free to come and go as they please. Something the Amarrian people, non-capsuleers, will never know is choice. I pity them, because radical zealots like these will never allow them to think or believe what they truly desire, all to sate their God.
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Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari
The Black Rabbits
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Posted - 2006.09.25 15:07:00 -
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I'm not going to defend the Gallente but this makes me laugh.
Learn what it means to be Caldari - www.omertasyndicate.com |
Jon Engel
APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2006.09.25 16:15:00 -
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So you visited a slum or ghetto on a Gallente world and saw some things that make an aristocratic elitist feel bad?
Get over yourself, the market for drugs, sexualy themed entertainment is as much as wide spread in Amarr society as the Gallente or Caldari lower classes.
In any case, I find your ignorance most intriguing among that of a religious man. Surely a learned servant of "god" can see things in not just black and white.
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Jack Malus
Gallente
Phoenix Wing
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Posted - 2006.09.25 17:28:00 -
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Edited by: Jack Malus on 25/09/2006 17:29:26
An amusing tale to be sure. The Amarrs are great story tellers.
Such fiction would fetch a high price here in Federation space if you were so inclined.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.25 17:58:00 -
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Another excellent sermon, Archbishop.
Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori |
Cipher7
Dark and Light inc.
D-L
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Posted - 2006.09.25 18:52:00 -
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Edited by: Cipher7 on 25/09/2006 18:56:01
Forced belief is empty.
Real belief is when the individual is free to disbelieve, and yet they believe anyway.
Personally I believe in God. Always have.
But if I put a gun to someone's head, it would not be Real belief, they would just be telling me what I want to hear.
And anyway, religion is personal. What I believe is for my benefit. I will share it if asked, but only in polite and respectful discussion.
Shoving belief down someone's throat is uncivilized, brutish and unproductive.
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Sepherim
Amarr
Ordo Quaesitoris
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Posted - 2006.09.25 19:50:00 -
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Amen, Archbishop. Inspiring as always. The lies of the unbelievers pale in comparison to your Truths.
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One Empire, One Emperor, One Faith, One Amarr... A Whole Universe Under One rule.
Keter of the Ordo Quaesitoris. |
Derran
Minmatar
Khumatari Holdings
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.09.25 20:47:00 -
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I think I fell asleep at the beginning of the sermon when I realized the amount of excrement that was pouring forth from your mouth.
In this day and age, you will not find any city anywhere with no poor and destitute people, including your own cities, you deluded, brainwashed hypocrite.
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Murukan
Minmatar
The Priory
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Posted - 2006.09.25 21:01:00 -
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Ignorance is bliss they say. No wonder the amarr are such a happy lot.
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Amari Nightshade
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Posted - 2006.09.25 22:24:00 -
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Edited by: Amari Nightshade on 25/09/2006 22:26:07
To be honest I agree with you, Archbishop. We Gallente are quite the hedonistic society with our "dens of sin" as you would call them. Amarr, Minmatar and Caldari alike should avoid the temptations that are an unfortunate by-product of our freedom, temptations all of us must deal with on a daily basis. However, you only touched on the negative aspects of our society.
You left out one of the key aspects of our society. That where we are in the proverbial ladder is not set from birth. If you are an Amarr born to the lowliest of castes, you shall remain a part of that caste until your death. However a Gallente born to even the poorest of families can become a pod-pilot, a soldier, or even the President. Admittedly it can be difficult but at the very least it is possible.
I would further argue that your Empire has its own problems with "sin". Just because the sins of the Amarr are not immediately visible on the surface does not mean they do not exist.
So, a bit of advice: Do not look in your neighbor's hearts for sin but look in your own, for the atheist in a shuttle is closer to God than the hypocritical preacher.
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Nolin Riis
Gallente
Placid Reborn
Placid Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.25 22:38:00 -
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Oh, boy. It must be Gallante appreciation week.
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Syros Davol
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Posted - 2006.09.25 23:08:00 -
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Edited by: Syros Davol on 25/09/2006 23:12:58
Edited by: Syros Davol on 25/09/2006 23:11:14
look home before looking outward. slavary anyone? allow me to speak to you in a way you would understand. why would god want you to be opressers. to destroy freewill? why would he want people to be enslaved all their lives? having no choice? forever?
simple. if their is a god you have long twisted it to suit your own terms. so their is only 2 choices.
ether your "god" does not even exist. or he has abandoned you alltogether.
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Gaius Sejanus
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2006.09.26 00:10:00 -
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I myself have lovely visions of Amarr society deprived of their slave workforce...people who spend so much time praying to their nonexistant god finally forced to create their own living instead of injecting vitoc into and threatening them with horrible deaths if they fail to do something as religious as "mow the lawn".
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Grimpak
Gallente
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.26 01:09:00 -
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how would amarrian society behave without slaves we wonder.
colapse?
revolutionize?
know we not. however amarrian sheep slave free they need.
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Originally by: Abdalion
Originally by: Jebidus Skari
What, in EVE, is a Tyrant?
Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
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Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.26 03:37:00 -
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You who complain about slavery miss the true purpose of slavery. ENLIGHTENMENT. The gift we Amarr give to the heathens at great cost to ourselves.
Of course slavery seems cruel to those not dedicated to God. But to those who worship the truth it is a necessity given the reluctance of these Minmatar miscreants to find God on their own. Left to their own devices they worship the sky and water Gods and some rock mountain God or whatever. Primitive superstitions and clan rituals are no substitute for the true God that is the God of Amarr.
You fail to realize the great cost of slavery. No on the Minmatar for they only receive in the relationship but on the Amarrians. Training, feeding, healthcare, education, housing, the costs far outweigh the labor benefit we may receive. Indeed a robot would do a much better job much faster and with a higher rate of accuracy. Yet we Amarrians are so generous we sacrifice this to give the heathens hope.
The Minmatar are like children. Would you let a child refuse medicine because it tastes unpalatable? Of course not you would force the child to take it because you know what is best. Just as we know what is best for the Minmatar.
As for the Gallente their time will come. The corruption and sin that dominates thier existance will bring down the Federation and create anarchy. Who will save them then? It will be the Amarr, dedicated to God and hope, bringing structure and religion to shine light on the darkness that is the Gallente Federation.
Praise God!
Archbishop
PIE Priest
PIE WEBSITE & FORUMS
PIE INFORMATION CENTER |
Vanzer
Minmatar
Black Rock Services
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Posted - 2006.09.26 05:20:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop
You who complain about slavery miss the true purpose of slavery. ENLIGHTENMENT. The gift we Amarr give to the heathens at great cost to ourselves.
Of course slavery seems cruel to those not dedicated to God. But to those who worship the truth it is a necessity given the reluctance of these Minmatar miscreants to find God on their own. Left to their own devices they worship the sky and water Gods and some rock mountain God or whatever. Primitive superstitions and clan rituals are no substitute for the true God that is the God of Amarr.
You fail to realize the great cost of slavery. No on the Minmatar for they only receive in the relationship but on the Amarrians. Training, feeding, healthcare, education, housing, the costs far outweigh the labor benefit we may receive. Indeed a robot would do a much better job much faster and with a higher rate of accuracy. Yet we Amarrians are so generous we sacrifice this to give the heathens hope.
The Minmatar are like children. Would you let a child refuse medicine because it tastes unpalatable? Of course not you would force the child to take it because you know what is best. Just as we know what is best for the Minmatar.
As for the Gallente their time will come. The corruption and sin that dominates thier existance will bring down the Federation and create anarchy. Who will save them then? It will be the Amarr, dedicated to God and hope, bringing structure and religion to shine light on the darkness that is the Gallente Federation.
Praise God!
Archbishop
PIE Priest
Please, Archbishop, stop. When will you learn that you cannot force someone to be enlightened? Putting people into slavery to enlighten them is simply brainwashing. They will only believe in god because you've programmed them too, not because they truly believe.
By enslaving people and forcing them to follow your religion, you are, in actuality, doing a great disservice to your religon. People need to come of their own free will, and believe with their hearts, not their heads.
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Ruah Piskonit
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.26 06:15:00 -
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Originally by: Vanzer
People need to come of their own free will, and believe with their hearts, not their heads.
What is this 'free will' you speak of? We all exist under the grace of God, and his will alone is free, the rest of us must be content with not having any illutions of free will. Clearly you work from presumptions that are clearly untrue, and to base these claims on nothing makes them even more meaningless.
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Jon Engel
APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2006.09.26 06:45:00 -
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The people you kill in the name of a faith noone but your own follow is why we hate you.
May a fleet of Tempests obliterate your home.
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Zion Zan'threxian
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Posted - 2006.09.26 07:22:00 -
[29]
Originally by: Archbishop
You fail to realize the great cost of slavery. No on the Minmatar for they only receive in the relationship but on the Amarrians. Training, feeding, healthcare, education, housing, the costs far outweigh the labor benefit we may receive. Indeed a robot would do a much better job much faster and with a higher rate of accuracy. Yet we Amarrians are so generous we sacrifice this to give the heathens hope.
Sacrifice? Enlightenment? What of murder, torture. You say this is the reasoning? Perhaps if it wasn't blatently obvious this farce. A sick child who doesn't wish to take medicine to cure his ails would be a valid analogy, if you consider torturing the child until he concedes and accepts the medicine in the metaphorical comparison. But then I don't doubt it of your kind to do that.
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Wild Rho
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.26 07:41:00 -
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Edited by: Wild Rho on 26/09/2006 07:41:39
Originally by: Zion Zan'threxian
Sacrifice? Enlightenment? What of murder, torture. You say this is the reasoning? Perhaps if it wasn't blatently obvious this farce. A sick child who doesn't wish to take medicine to cure his ails would be a valid analogy, if you consider torturing the child until he concedes and accepts the medicine in the metaphorical comparison. But then I don't doubt it of your kind to do that.
Slaves are not murdered and tortured, they are well treated and cared for, indeed the SPCS was founded to ensure this was the case.
As for the child anaolgy. We would make the child take the medicine for its own good, YOU on the other hand would burn its house down for not choosing what you wanted them to choose (Caldari Homeworld anyone).
Murder is YOUR sin Gallente, not ours.
I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it.
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Gaius Sejanus
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2006.09.26 09:25:00 -
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child murdering slaver devil-god....I just wanted a nice thread to put that most excellent turn of phrase after I heard it a few days ago.
It's just so *true*, too.
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Ithildin
Gallente
The Corporation
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Posted - 2006.09.26 10:26:00 -
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Phaw!
Spoken with the truth only a fascist zealot could see, where the solution to destitution is even more wicked and depraved than could be imagined by decent and upstanding citizens. A blind eye does not suffice to describe the treatment, but interment, forced labour, or even neurotoxic execution with subsequent biomass reprocessing is the truth of some less empathic regime's spotless cities.
The Federation has a lot to offer any individual. They offer freedom of choice, freedom of living and freedom of mind. It is a choice to let your own mind see the truth, or let it be clouded by the teachings or rhethorics of others, for that is all the substance of this god worship!
I am an Intaki scholar, and I have studied what history remains, what could be saved and reconstructed by the Sisters of EVE. Spirituality has been a cause for great strife, misguided notions, and unjustices throughout history, but when tempered with the truth that only an open mind and science can offer it can also be constructive and benificient for the mind.
Only the modern and upright teachings of the Servant Sisters today could satisfy the thirsty spirit and lift up the thirsty mind. I urge the doubters to rethink. Think for yourself, embrace not what others tell you to embrace, but what you believe in yourself. Serve not a God of words, serve not a God of slavery, for with such a God all are slaves of either spirit or of mortal body.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.26 10:55:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Archbishop
You who complain about slavery miss the true purpose of slavery. ENLIGHTENMENT. The gift we Amarr give to the heathens at great cost to ourselves.
Of course slavery seems cruel to those not dedicated to God. But to those who worship the truth it is a necessity given the reluctance of these Minmatar miscreants to find God on their own. Left to their own devices they worship the sky and water Gods and some rock mountain God or whatever. Primitive superstitions and clan rituals are no substitute for the true God that is the God of Amarr.
You fail to realize the great cost of slavery. No on the Minmatar for they only receive in the relationship but on the Amarrians. Training, feeding, healthcare, education, housing, the costs far outweigh the labor benefit we may receive. Indeed a robot would do a much better job much faster and with a higher rate of accuracy. Yet we Amarrians are so generous we sacrifice this to give the heathens hope.
The Minmatar are like children. Would you let a child refuse medicine because it tastes unpalatable? Of course not you would force the child to take it because you know what is best. Just as we know what is best for the Minmatar.
As for the Gallente their time will come. The corruption and sin that dominates thier existance will bring down the Federation and create anarchy. Who will save them then? It will be the Amarr, dedicated to God and hope, bringing structure and religion to shine light on the darkness that is the Gallente Federation.
Praise God!
Archbishop
PIE Priest
enlightment we ask?
seeing clouds in your mind, sheep.
for self, one should search for enlightment.
shoveling down throat, enlightment is not.
denies when one is own god and own demon, preaches for god where sheep dilute themselves.
sheeps not part of selves. too coward to come forth and become one with one.
cowering behind diluted image of sheep.
diluting self worse than drug trash.
clouded mind and do not want to see.
power only amarrian sheep has in ships. mind weak as fedo's brain.
learn that amarrian sheep are clouded and grey.
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Originally by: Abdalion
Originally by: Jebidus Skari
What, in EVE, is a Tyrant?
Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
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Irongut
M'8'S
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Posted - 2006.09.26 11:46:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Archbishop
Godlessness.
There are many things wrong with your sermon Archbishop but this is probably the biggest. Whilest there are people in the Federation who do not believe in any god, there are also many religious people. Our Intaki bretheren in particular tend to be a pious people. We tolerate many religions within our borders, even your own.
All cities have their problems and their poorer classes. I myself have spent time in Kor-Azor and Khanid and even in the capitol city on Amarr and have seen scenes not disimilar to those you describe. Poverty is something all races struggle to eliminate, we should be working together towards this goal rather than pointing fingers and bickering with each other.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.26 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: Ithildin
The Federation has a lot to offer any individual.
And that's the problem.
The Gallentean way of life is focused around the individual. Gallenteans ask themselves what their Federation and their fellow citizens can do for them. This leads to selfishness and ignorance.
In the Empire on the other hand, the focus is on society as a whole, and we tend to ask oursleves what we can do for our God and our fellow believers. This leads to benevolence and knowledge.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.26 11:57:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Irongut
Originally by: Archbishop
Godlessness.
There are many things wrong with your sermon Archbishop but this is probably the biggest. Whilest there are people in the Federation who do not believe in any god, there are also many religious people. Our Intaki bretheren in particular tend to be a pious people. We tolerate many religions within our borders, even your own.
All cities have their problems and their poorer classes. I myself have spent time in Kor-Azor and Khanid and even in the capitol city on Amarr and have seen scenes not disimilar to those you describe. Poverty is something all races struggle to eliminate, we should be working together towards this goal rather than pointing fingers and bickering with each other.
There is a difference between Godlessness and godlessness.
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Idaeus
Gallente
Earned In Blood
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Posted - 2006.09.26 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
The time has come to give Gallenteans a cleansing they deserve.
I am quite clean, but if you wish my dear, I would be willing to get a little dirty with you.
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Ithildin
Gallente
The Corporation
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Posted - 2006.09.26 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Ithildin
The Federation has a lot to offer any individual.
And that's the problem.
The Gallentean way of life is focused around the individual. Gallenteans ask themselves what their Federation and their fellow citizens can do for them. This leads to selfishness and ignorance.
In the Empire on the other hand, the focus is on society as a whole, and we tend to ask oursleves what we can do for our God and our fellow believers. This leads to benevolence and knowledge.
Ah, yes. Rhethorics.
While one can claim that selfless servitude to the community leads to benevolens and knowledge, this is far from the truth. Every entity, be it one individual or a whole community, needs a leader, someone or something to guide it. If an individual sacrifices his freedom to the community, his choices, life, and mind belongs to the whims of that which thinks for the community.
The Federation offers freedom, but freedom without knowledge or freedom without responsibility is useless. You are required to think for yourself, and you are required to be responsible for your own actions, something that the Amarrian philosophy is severely lacking.
I am proud and unashamed. I need no god to give me courage. I need no emperor to direct my words. I need no book to tell me how to think.
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Jobie Thickburger
Gallente
Intergalactic Mining
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Posted - 2006.09.26 16:17:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Wild Rho
Edited by: Wild Rho on 26/09/2006 07:41:39
Originally by: Zion Zan'threxian
Sacrifice? Enlightenment? What of murder, torture. You say this is the reasoning? Perhaps if it wasn't blatently obvious this farce. A sick child who doesn't wish to take medicine to cure his ails would be a valid analogy, if you consider torturing the child until he concedes and accepts the medicine in the metaphorical comparison. But then I don't doubt it of your kind to do that.
Slaves are not murdered and tortured, they are well treated and cared for, indeed the SPCS was founded to ensure this was the case.
I have to agree with this. Have you met the slaves that you seem to try to defend. Granted, not every member of the Empire treats their slaves with full respect, But as for myself (Yes, I admit, I own a number of slaves) and may of my Amarrian Comrades, Our slaves are actually Quite Happy with the jobs that they are performing, Well, At least the ones who were bought honestly.
Being Gallantee, I'm not bound by some of the Rules the Empire places forth on Slave ownership. I'm proud to admit that my Re-Education program is moving along quite nicely, Already Over Seventy-Five war Criminals who were to be put to death, have been rescued by me, And tought the value of a life with hard work.
Given the opperunity, I doubt that half the slave population in the Empire would be willing to leave their masters, and the other half that did leave would detest the living conditions in which they "escaped" into.
His Planetship, CEO, IM
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Val Erian
Gallente
Azure Horizon
Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2006.09.26 20:07:00 -
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Edited by: Val Erian on 26/09/2006 20:15:07
As for the Gallente their time will come. The corruption and sin that dominates thier existance will bring down the Federation and create anarchy. Who will save them then?
I'll put my trust in Ogre II's.
Given the opperunity, I doubt that half the slave population in the Empire would be willing to leave their masters, and the other half that did leave would detest the living conditions in which they "escaped" into.
Hmm, seem to remember reading something about a drug the Amarr give their slaves...they die if they dont get the anti dote...guess they wouldn't want to leave without it
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Derran
Minmatar
Khumatari Holdings
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.09.26 20:33:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
In the Empire on the other hand, the focus is on society as a whole, and we tend to ask oursleves what we can do for our God and our fellow believers. This leads to benevolence and knowledge.
Um, no you don't. The Emperor just tells you what to do and you do it, no matter how inhumane it may be. You do it out of blind faith.
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Derran
Minmatar
Khumatari Holdings
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.09.26 20:38:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Vanzer
Please, Archbishop, stop. When will you learn that you cannot force someone to be enlightened? Putting people into slavery to enlighten them is simply brainwashing. They will only believe in god because you've programmed them too, not because they truly believe.
By enslaving people and forcing them to follow your religion, you are, in actuality, doing a great disservice to your religon. People need to come of their own free will, and believe with their hearts, not their heads.
Vanzer,
I don't think I could have said it better myself. You are exactly right.
And strange, is it not, that there has been no issue with Caldari society and their the constant struggle for wealth? Perhaps those they consider allies are not corrupt simply due to political reasons. So much for objectivity and faith. It seems this sermon is just religious and political propaganda.
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Arderich
Bruderschaft des Wahrhaftigen
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Posted - 2006.09.26 22:49:00 -
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A nice sermon. Archbishop talks about drugs, **** and the lack of moral values in the Gallente Federation. Unfortunatly he forgot to name the root of this evil: democracy.
Democracy is a political concept that is very alien to Amarr, and in fact alien to all other races beside the Gallenteans. I think I must explain what democracy is and then you will see why it is evil.
The simplest way to describe a democracy is this: Three people form a government, each having one vote. Then two of them vote to steal the wealth of the third. This explains all you must know about democracy.
There is much more to say about democracy, though. I can only touch the tip of the iceberg but today I am in the mood to go more into the details.
In the purest form of democracy every citizen has the right to vote for the things he wants to happen. The majority of this votes decides what will happen. This is the first and the biggest flaw of democracy. They assume the vote of every citizen has the same value. The vote of a rocket scientist always has the same value as the vote of a *****, criminal or drug addicted. The mentally retarded outnumber real genius therefore you can never expect ingenius decisions. You can always expect the will of the average retarted as the outcome of a democratic election.
Often the voters have no idea about on what they are voting. Is the average gallentean citizen an expert for everything? Of course not. So why does he have a right to vote when it comes to such matters? You can always expect outcomes of an election based on clueless voters.
Each single vote is a little bit of political power. No matter if itÆs the vote of a Minmatar immigrant or the vote of a professor. Rich men can buy votes by promising wealth to those who give them votes. This opens the doors for corruption.
Of course the purest form of democracy is impossible to achieve. You can not make elections for every single decision that must be done. Therefore the voters vote for representative persons who then are allowed to vote in their name. This persons are called politicians and they are organized in parties. And now itÆs getting really bad.
This elections happen every 4 or 5 years as far as I know. I am not sure because their latest election seems to be a little bit deviant. This means the politicians of the winning party only have a few years to achieve their goals. In such a short timeframe you can not achieve anything, at least not anything of grandeur. The first 1-2 years the winning party is placing their members into key positions where most of them only work for one goal, moving the money from the citizens to the wallets of the politicians and their friends.
This short timeframe also makes politicians think they are not responsible for what they are doing. The impact of their decisions often comes many years later when another party or other politicians of their own party rule. This explains the lack of moral values. Without consequences of their very own decisions, without being responsible for their own decisions the politicians do whatever they want. The politicians of other parties do nothing about it because they know the next election will come and then it will be their time to misuse this privileges.
As I have said this is only the tip of the iceberg. For sure there is a lot more to say about the evil that is called democracy but why should I waste my time? All I need to know is democracy must perish. Unfortunatly democracy is spreading like pestilence. It even has reached the Amarr Empire in the latest succession.
So in a democracy even the most retarded or criminal has a right to vote selfish policians who misuse their votes for their own benefit without having to face the consequences for their decisions and without a chance to build up anything of grandeur because of a very limited timeframe.
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Arderich
Bruderschaft des Wahrhaftigen
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Posted - 2006.09.26 22:50:00 -
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In Amarr the Holders make decisions. The Holders come from those families who have been proven moral authorities for centuries. Gaining this status is a procedure of many generations and not the achievement of a single individual in a single lifetime. This enforces moral behaviour over generations. ThatÆs one reason why we Amarr have developed such a great sense of ancestry. Our sense of ancestry is the reason why the amarrian society is so stable and why the amarrian way is superior to everything else. On a personal note thatÆs also one reason why I mistrust foreigners who claim to have reached enlightment. ItÆs not hard for some individuals to quote some parts of the scriptures and tell us Amarrians what we want to hear. Building up a name for your family the right way is hard. I give foreigners the chance to build up such a reputation. This can only start at the very bottom in amarrian society û in slavery.
Of course a Holder can not be an expert for everything but he will choose advisors who have this knowledge. Unlike gallentean politicians the amarrian Holder is responsible for his decisons. Not only the Holder will have to face the consequences of a failure but also his children and childrens children. Over thousends of years those amarrians with the purest lineage made it to the top. This is a constant process which is still going on and will never stop. Of course those who are at the top donÆt want to face such hard consequences and try to do their very best. Their ability to choose the best advisors makes some Holders more succesfull than others. Moral behaviour is always a must, though.
The Holder has all his lifetime to make his plans come true. If his own lifetime isnÆt sufficient then his children will continue. Only this way things of real grandeur can be accomplished. Over a long timeframe the amarrian way has shown to be perfect. Here and there you will have some Holders who fail but there are already others with many generations of faithfull ancestors waiting to replace the losers. Some Holders fail but the system itself is perfect. Responsibility over many generations is the key for our success.
Democracy encourages corruption, greed, selfish behaviour, disruption of moral values while the amarrian way enforces responsiblility and û hmm, so far I have avoided to talk about religion but in the end it all comes down to only one thing û we must please God. This is the answer to everything and this is the sense of life. I pitty those who fail to see it. Only in God we can thrive and grow.
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Kaleigh Doyle
Rho Dynamics
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Posted - 2006.09.26 23:36:00 -
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Time does not make an individual moral or grant them the wisdom to rule with benevolence. The system of democracy is a series of checks and balances to ensure that a lone politician cannot turn the entire system upside down. Our leaders are held accountable for their actions, something you and many of your overzealous friends are quite apprehensive to acknowledge.
Besides, wasn't your king an heir who refused to bow to Imperial law? You talk about proving moral authority and centuries of breeding, only to end up throwing it all away for selfishness. How do you explain that?
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Strikeclone
Caldari
Starscreamers
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Posted - 2006.09.26 23:45:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Ithildin
The Federation has a lot to offer any individual. They offer freedom of choice, freedom of living and freedom of mind. It is a choice to let your own mind see the truth, or let it be clouded by the teachings or rhethorics of others, for that is all the substance of this god worship!
Funny, you talk about freedoms of choice and living and yet when my people chose to leave the federation after years of abuse and exploitation, your response to our expression of freedom was to bomb our homeworld back to the stone age.
I can't say that I am a supporter of slavery as its a barbaric evil in any civilized nation or political system. However this does not lessen the Archbishops points.
The gallente nation needs to stop banging its gums about freedom and liberty for all, not until you return Homeworld, and pay reperations to the citizens of the State.
I could care less about the failures or the forutnes of the federation but everyday I hear some gallente demegogue harping on about how great the federation is, about how bloody perfect it is, is another step towards wanting to remove them from exsistance.
Strikeclone
Celer Et Audax
Caldari Prime will be ours again!
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Nolin Riis
Gallente
Placid Reborn
Placid Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.27 00:27:00 -
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Originally by: Strikeclone
Funny, you talk about freedoms of choice and living and yet when my people chose to leave the federation after years of abuse and exploitation, your response to our expression of freedom was to bomb our homeworld back to the stone age.
Wow. You make an excellent point. Except for the fact that's not the least bit true.
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Vanzer
Minmatar
Black Rock Services
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Posted - 2006.09.27 00:35:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Ruah Piskonit
Originally by: Vanzer
People need to come of their own free will, and believe with their hearts, not their heads.
What is this 'free will' you speak of? We all exist under the grace of God, and his will alone is free, the rest of us must be content with not having any illutions of free will. Clearly you work from presumptions that are clearly untrue, and to base these claims on nothing makes them even more meaningless.
You managed to completly miss the point I was making.
Whether or not you believe that man has "free will", you still cannot force someone to believe. What you are doing is putting a gun to a man's head, and asking him if God exists. What do you think his anwser will be? Most likely, his answer would be "yes", but does he really believe? Of course not! He just dosen't want to die!
What you are doing is the same thing. All the slaves you've "enlightened" don't really believe in your God, they simply learn to repeat the answer to the question.
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Strikeclone
Caldari
Starscreamers
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Posted - 2006.09.27 00:44:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Nolin Riis
Originally by: Strikeclone
Funny, you talk about freedoms of choice and living and yet when my people chose to leave the federation after years of abuse and exploitation, your response to our expression of freedom was to bomb our homeworld back to the stone age.
Wow. You make an excellent point. Except for the fact that's not the least bit true.
"the Federation retaliated at once by sending an invasion force down to Caldari Prime and began a systematic orbital bombardment of the planet"
As quoted from your least reference, your true reference about internal State political factions seems to bare to relevence to this discussion.
Strikeclone
Celer Et Audax
Caldari Prime will be ours again!
Hoist Battle Ensigns
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Nolin Riis
Gallente
Placid Reborn
Placid Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.27 01:19:00 -
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Originally by: Strikeclone
"the Federation retaliated at once by sending an invasion force down to Caldari Prime and began a systematic orbital bombardment of the planet"
As quoted from your least reference, your true reference about internal State political factions seems to bare to relevence to this discussion.
Very close. Quote:
"The turning point came when Caldari partisans sabotaged the glass dome of the Gallente-inhabited underwater city Nouvelle Rouvenor. More than half a million perished. From then on a lengthy, bloody war between the two races was all but inevitable û the Federation retaliated at once by sending an invasion force down to Caldari Prime and began a systematic orbital bombardment of the planet."
This was in responce to a blockade around New Caldari. Very different than the 'expression of freedom' you claimed. Unless you were talking about the secret colonies, in which case you're just glossing over details of a complex situation that cast your side in a poor light.
Secondly yes, the current megacorp politics are irrevelent to a correct understanding of the beginnings of the Gallante Caldari civil war. However, this part isn't: Quote:
"Then, the mega corporations split into two groups, one that wanted to pursue peace negotiations with the Gallenteans and another that wanted all out war. The matter was solved during the Morning of Reasoning, when during a morning meeting of the Chief Executive Panel the warmonger corporations forced the CEOs of the other corporations to perform the Tea Maker Ceremony. The CEOs had to drink poisoned tea; if the Maker looked favorably upon them they would be saved, otherwise their crimes would be confirmed by their deaths. They all died and the warmonger corporations (the current mega corporations) split the assets of the fallen corporations between them and escalated to total war."
Hm. Again, I don't think the Cadari State tried to petition the Gellante government for independence as gracefully as you claim.
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Hitomi Ayame
Amarr
Royal Knights of Khanid
Order of the Khanid Crown
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Posted - 2006.09.27 08:22:00 -
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Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle
Besides, wasn't your king an heir who refused to bow to Imperial law? You talk about proving moral authority and centuries of breeding, only to end up throwing it all away for selfishness. How do you explain that?
The assumption that Khanid, may God forever bless his name, succeeded from the Empire because he was "selfish" is incorrect.
Khanid, guided by God, saw that Amarr had become corrupt, straying from the Will of the Almighty, as show by the 'election' a false Emperor, one not truly ordained by God. For his protest against this falsehood and refusal to commit ritual suicide, Khanid's life was demanded of him.
However, God had greater plans that to make him a martyr, and instead guided Khanid to succeed from the Empire and establish the Holy Khanid Kingdom. Those who saw the truth of God and recognized the mockery that the Empire had become followed and took up arms defending their new King Khanid. With their finely honed skills, superior technology, fierce spirit, and most importantly, the grace and protection of Almighty God, they protected the Kingdom from the Golden Fleets and outside invaders alike. With the wisdom imparted by God, Khanid and Khanid II led the Kingdom to prosperity and wealth. And with the divine justice of God, we have maintained its purity and boldness.
Being a Gallente, it is easy to understand why you would assume selfishness to be the guiding force behind every action. It would seem that such is the case in your Federation. However, the actions of Holy Khanid had nothing to do with selfishness and everything to do with obeying the supreme Will of God.null
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Hitomi Ayame
Amarr
Royal Knights of Khanid
Order of the Khanid Crown
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Posted - 2006.09.27 08:22:00 -
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Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle
Besides, wasn't your king an heir who refused to bow to Imperial law? You talk about proving moral authority and centuries of breeding, only to end up throwing it all away for selfishness. How do you explain that?
The assumption that Khanid, may God forever bless his name, succeeded from the Empire because he was "selfish" is incorrect.
Khanid, guided by God, saw that Amarr had become corrupt, straying from the Will of the Almighty, as show by the 'election' a false Emperor, one not truly ordained by God. For his protest against this falsehood and refusal to commit ritual suicide, Khanid's life was demanded of him.
However, God had greater plans that to make him a martyr, and instead guided Khanid to succeed from the Empire and establish the Holy Khanid Kingdom. Those who saw the truth of God and recognized the mockery that the Empire had become followed and took up arms defending their new King Khanid. With their finely honed skills, superior technology, fierce spirit, and most importantly, the grace and protection of Almighty God, they protected the Kingdom from the Golden Fleets and outside invaders alike. With the wisdom imparted by God, Khanid and Khanid II led the Kingdom to prosperity and wealth. And with the divine justice of God, we have maintained its purity and boldness.
Being a Gallente, it is easy to understand why you would assume selfishness to be the guiding force behind every action. It would seem that such is the case in your Federation. However, the actions of Holy Khanid had nothing to do with selfishness and everything to do with obeying the supreme Will of God.
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Kaleigh Doyle
Rho Dynamics
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Posted - 2006.09.27 16:59:00 -
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I'm sure your Amarr cousins will be pleased to hear you have such a low opinion of them. As for assumptions of selfishness on the part of your King, one need only look as far as the exploitation of the lesser races by Khanid society to understand how low your people are capable of.
I'm sure the Supreme Will of God will justify whatever barbarities you decide to invent in the future.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.27 20:06:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Nolin Riis
Originally by: Strikeclone
"the Federation retaliated at once by sending an invasion force down to Caldari Prime and began a systematic orbital bombardment of the planet"
As quoted from your least reference, your true reference about internal State political factions seems to bare to relevence to this discussion.
Very close. Quote:
"The turning point came when Caldari partisans sabotaged the glass dome of the Gallente-inhabited underwater city Nouvelle Rouvenor. More than half a million perished. From then on a lengthy, bloody war between the two races was all but inevitable û the Federation retaliated at once by sending an invasion force down to Caldari Prime and began a systematic orbital bombardment of the planet."
This was in responce to a blockade around New Caldari. Very different than the 'expression of freedom' you claimed. Unless you were talking about the secret colonies, in which case you're just glossing over details of a complex situation that cast your side in a poor light.
A few undeclared colonies and an assault on a city justifies the attempted destuction of an entire planet?
How very egalitarian of you.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.09.27 20:13:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Nolin Riis
Originally by: Strikeclone
Funny, you talk about freedoms of choice and living and yet when my people chose to leave the federation after years of abuse and exploitation, your response to our expression of freedom was to bomb our homeworld back to the stone age.
Wow. You make an excellent point. Except for the fact that's not the least bit true.
Oh?
Quote:
Shortly after jump gate technology was jointly discovered by the Gallenteans and the Caldari some three hundred years before the Federation formed, the Caldari Corporations had started their own inter-stellar surveying and colonization, separate from those conducted by the Gallenteans.
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It all started when a Gallente exploration ship happened upon one of the hidden Caldari colonies. When the Federation Senate learned of this they demanded a full-scale investigation into the matter and that all hidden Caldari colonies should immediately been put under Federation authority. This was too much for the Caldari Corporations, which were already grumbling over increasing Federation interference into their affairs. For the Caldari it was a simple question of losing their autonomy forever by caving in or making a stand right then and there. They decided to make a stand.
Freedom? Equality? No, the Federation wanted to rule the Caldari, and when the Caldari decided enough was enough, the Federation invaded us. Yes little man, the Gallente did abuse and exploit us. Their view of equality was to have the Caldari assimilate into the Gallente way of live, and for the Caldari to be ruled over by the Gallente. That is not equality, it is slavery.
Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle
I'm sure the Supreme Will of God will justify whatever barbarities you decide to invent in the future.
They were going to have slaves and prisoners fight to the death, but the Federation managed to mainstream that first. ofcourse, the Amarr probably view such a thing as being more than simple entertainment.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Dejhon Vanxler
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2006.09.27 20:26:00 -
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I have noticed one thing about religion, it seems to revolve around having an idea that you will not see changed and trying to make everyone 'see' the thing you do.
This is why I avoid religion..........
I also seem to see that the new religion of the Caldari is TheGallenteblewupourplanetism, wich as ever faithfull Caldari are spreding the word, guess by the looks of it that makes me as a Gallente the Caldari devil!
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Galactic Express
The Guardian Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.27 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Gaius Sejanus
child murdering slaver devil-god....I just wanted a nice thread to put that most excellent turn of phrase after I heard it a few days ago.
It's just so *true*, too.
Glad to see that someone took my words to heart ;)
And it's true. I worship a benevolent, charitable God who watches over us and protects us, not one that murders children and enslaves for his own self-agrandizement. And that God, that child-murdering slaver devil-god is what almost every Amarr deep-down sees himself as.
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Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.27 22:25:00 -
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And it's true. I worship a benevolent, charitable God who watches over us and protects us, not one that murders children and enslaves for his own self-agrandizement. And that God, that child-murdering slaver devil-god is what almost every Amarr deep-down sees himself as.
Child kiler? Enslaver? Selfgrandizement?
You Gallente certainly have a warped view of the facts.
1. We give the gift of enlightenment to the downtrodden.
2. We bring hope as well as food and shelter to a primitive people.
3. We give out far more economically than we take in labor.
The scriptures clearly state the facts. The Amarr are the chosen of God.
"Our Lord visited his flock and saw that all was not good.
Blasphemy and heresy ruled the land.
The Lord punished the sinners and drowned them in their own blood.
But the people of Amarr lived righteously and in fear of God.
Thus they were saved and became God's chosen one."
## The Scriptures. Book II.
Would that flock visited be the Gallente by chance? Corrupt, decadant and sinful? Dedicated to a life of "freedom" to indulge in sick perverse pleasures? A society driven by porxography, sxx and drugs?
I think perhaps it was the Gallente that God visited when he said all was not good.
Archbishop
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Strikeclone
Caldari
Starscreamers
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Posted - 2006.09.28 01:40:00 -
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Rodj Blake, Malthros Zenobia
Well said, I was going to try to frame a resonse but both of you have eloquently beat me to it
Well said.
Strikeclone
Celer Et Audax
Caldari Prime will be ours again!
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Arushia
Nova Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.28 08:32:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop
The scriptures clearly state the facts. The Amarr are the chosen of God.
Yes. I'm sure your scriptures claim you are the chosen of your god. Your god-granted victory over the Jovians proves this... oh wait, you lost VakÆAtioth, and rather badly too.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.28 09:28:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 28/09/2006 09:28:55
Originally by: Arushia
Originally by: Archbishop
The scriptures clearly state the facts. The Amarr are the chosen of God.
Yes. I'm sure your scriptures claim you are the chosen of your god. Your god-granted victory over the Jovians proves this... oh wait, you lost VakÆAtioth, and rather badly too.
They're not our scriptures. They're God's scriptures. He didn't just create us. He created you, too.
It was only a small fleet that was defeated at Vak'Atioth. If we were beaten so badly, why didn't the Jovians press home their supposed advantage?
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Nolin Riis
Gallente
Placid Reborn
Placid Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.28 10:41:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
A few undeclared colonies and an assault on a city justifies the attempted destuction of an entire planet?
How very egalitarian of you.
When did justification come into this? We could yell until we're blue in the face about the decision to bombard Caldari Prime. The point is, that so many Caldari love to romanticize about how they were victims to the terrible Gallente and the great war between them was completely in self defense. Well, that's just plain false. Not to say the Gallente are blameless, but illegally founding colonies and then blowing up an underwater city does not, by any convolution of logic, constitute "an expression of freedom." If anything, its a barbaric expression of xenophobia.
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Idaeus
Gallente
Earned In Blood
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Posted - 2006.09.28 11:30:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
They're not our scriptures. They're God's scriptures. He didn't just create us. He created you, too.
It was only a small fleet that was defeated at Vak'Atioth. If we were beaten so badly, why didn't the Jovians press home their supposed advantage?
Because the Jovians had no desire to muck about with a lesser race. They were attacked (by you), struck back and defeated your "small" fleet. After that lesson was taught you simply weren't worthy of their attention anymore.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.28 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: Nolin Riis
Originally by: Rodj Blake
A few undeclared colonies and an assault on a city justifies the attempted destuction of an entire planet?
How very egalitarian of you.
When did justification come into this? We could yell until we're blue in the face about the decision to bombard Caldari Prime. The point is, that so many Caldari love to romanticize about how they were victims to the terrible Gallente and the great war between them was completely in self defense. Well, that's just plain false. Not to say the Gallente are blameless, but illegally founding colonies and then blowing up an underwater city does not, by any convolution of logic, constitute "an expression of freedom." If anything, its a barbaric expression of xenophobia.
I'm glad that you accept that violent acts do not constitute an expression of freedom. I assume that means that you'll be condemning the actions of Minmatar terrorists who kill in the name of freedom.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Galactic Express
The Guardian Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.28 16:30:00 -
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Right, to give you a taste of your own medicine, Amarrians - your beliefs are not based on the Gallentean Constitution, and thus are completely invalid. It is hereby illegal for anyone - ANYONE anywhere within New Eden to espouse a viewpoint that isn't completely in line with that Constitution. I will not accept the validity of any argument against this because the Constitution was written by democrats, who are the supreme beings within this world and therefore must be correct in all matters.
Any further argument on this subject is completely invalid and will not be accepted. We are correct, you are wrong.
This is exactly the way Amarrians argue, except in reverse.
Note that I am not actaully espousing the above viewpoint - that would be ludicrous. It's just an example.
But here's my viewpoint: all Amarrians, save the few that do not endorse slavery or murder in the name of their God, are always, always wrong. No matter what they're talking about or doing. THAT is my viewpoint and I will henceforth treat any argument from an Amarrian who supports slavery or the current Emperor's rule (which is, even by your government's own standards, illegitimate, hence why the Khanid rebelled against it) is completely and irretrievably incorrect.
You're all idiots and I hope you die in a fire.
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Thomas Maleficus
Caldari
Ravenusque
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Posted - 2006.09.28 17:13:00 -
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Sorry could you point the way to HOLOVID PLEASURE PALACE? My usual spot for holo-****, Dale Hendricks Horny Holo's has moved to a riskier but more profitable low sec area. Excuse me for sayin so but I'll take a holoreel of raunchiness before I'll ever buy into your false god crap. I'll be out enjoying life while you praise your non-existent god for the rest of your boring life. Your god isn't dead, he never existed.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.28 19:39:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
But here's my viewpoint: all Amarrians, save the few that do not endorse slavery or murder in the name of their God, are always, always wrong. No matter what they're talking about or doing. THAT is my viewpoint and I will henceforth treat any argument from an Amarrian who supports slavery or the current Emperor's rule (which is, even by your government's own standards, illegitimate, hence why the Khanid rebelled against it) is completely and irretrievably incorrect.
You're all idiots and I hope you die in a fire.
It looks like a nerve has been struck.
I'm sure that as far as you're concerned, I'm wrong about that though.
After all, I'm Amarrian.
If I may point out a factual error in your statement though - there is no current Emperor. I'd also like to point out that that the Khanidians tend be more agressive slavers than those Amarrians in the Empire, which as you consider Khanid II to be the legitimate ruler of Amarr, seems to suggest that you do in fact support slavery after all.
And by your own logic, that means that you're wrong about every thing.
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Babs Johnson
MetaForge
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2006.09.28 20:49:00 -
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I for one have realized how pointless it is to debate an Amarrian. Unlike the countless altarboys who have visited Archbishop's chambers each night, the wall of Amarrian pigheadedness is simply impenetrable.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Galactic Express
The Guardian Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.28 22:50:00 -
[69]
Sorry Rodj, you're an Amarrian who supports slavery. Therefore, you are wrong.
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Nooey
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.29 00:37:00 -
[70]
Babs wins.
STAND FIRM WITH GOD!
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Nolin Riis
Gallente
Placid Reborn
Placid Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.29 01:39:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
I'm glad that you accept that violent acts do not constitute an expression of freedom. I assume that means that you'll be condemning the actions of Minmatar terrorists who kill in the name of freedom.
Only if they are attacks on non-military and slavery unrelated settlements. Other than that, I consider it a legitimate war that your people started long ago. And nothing personal, but its a war I hope you lose.
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The Associate
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Posted - 2006.09.29 06:42:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Nolin Riis
Originally by: Rodj Blake
I'm glad that you accept that violent acts do not constitute an expression of freedom. I assume that means that you'll be condemning the actions of Minmatar terrorists who kill in the name of freedom.
Only if they are attacks on non-military and slavery unrelated settlements. Other than that, I consider it a legitimate war that your people started long ago. And nothing personal, but its a war I hope you lose.
So you support the concept of force being used to secure freedom?
But you don't support random terrorist attacks on non-military targets.
We have that in common then, I don't agree with what Cadlari fanatics did to that under water city. But of course they were fanatics, not Caldari State military, nor were they sanctioned by the State.
You miltary's bombardment of poulation centres, fillied with women and children, the sick and infirm, was not the work of random fanatics. It was a deliberate and premedetated action by your federal navy against civilian targets.
All because you sense of freedom was some how impinged upon by colonies that were nothing to do with you.
God Damned hipocrit.
+1 point towards the "cleansing" option.
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Strikeclone
Caldari
Starscreamers
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Posted - 2006.09.29 06:48:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Nolin Riis
Originally by: Rodj Blake
I'm glad that you accept that violent acts do not constitute an expression of freedom. I assume that means that you'll be condemning the actions of Minmatar terrorists who kill in the name of freedom.
Only if they are attacks on non-military and slavery unrelated settlements. Other than that, I consider it a legitimate war that your people started long ago. And nothing personal, but its a war I hope you lose.
So you support the concept of force being used to secure freedom?
But you don't support random terrorist attacks on non-military targets.
We have that in common then, I don't agree with what Cadlari fanatics did to that under water city. But of course they were fanatics, not Caldari State military, nor were they sanctioned by the State.
You miltary's bombardment of poulation centres, fillied with women and children, the sick and infirm, was not the work of random fanatics. It was a deliberate and premedetated action by your federal navy against civilian targets.
All because you sense of freedom was some how impinged upon by colonies that were nothing to do with you.
God Damned hipocrit.
+1 point towards the "cleansing" option.
Strikeclone
Celer Et Audax
Caldari Prime will be ours again!
Hoist Battle Ensigns
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.29 07:24:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Sorry Rodj, you're an Amarrian who supports slavery. Therefore, you are wrong.
Let's get this straight:
According to you, if I say that you're a well-rounded, cultured individual who's really smart, then that would be proof that you are in fact a barbaric idiot?
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Gaius Sejanus
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2006.09.29 08:31:00 -
[75]
Quote:
It was only a small fleet that was defeated at Vak'Atioth.
Because a larger one would have done SO much better. 200 battleships and cruisers, effortlessly defeated by a single mothership and a few tacklers. It is unfortunate timing that the Matari took the time right after your humiliating defeat at Vak'tioth to stage their uprising...otherwise you would have sent the rest of your fleet like lambs to the slaughter, and then your whole misbegotten empire would have crumbled under the weight of its own arrogance, with no navy to support it.
Quote:
If we were beaten so badly, why didn't the Jovians press home their supposed advantage?
You aren't important enough. You aren't a threat. When a rat gets into the cargo holds of your ship, you don't sterilize the planet you launched from to kill the other rats, you stomp on the offender and go about your business.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.29 09:51:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Gaius Sejanus
You aren't important enough. You aren't a threat. When a rat gets into the cargo holds of your ship, you don't sterilize the planet you launched from to kill the other rats, you stomp on the offender and go about your business.
Actually, if you're a Gallente you do just that.
The Caldari weren't a threat to your people, but that didn't stop the orbital bombardment of Caldari Prime.
Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori |
Tyranne
Amarr
InterMind Unlimited
Ekliptika
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Posted - 2006.09.29 09:56:00 -
[77]
I find many aspects of Amarrian life despeakable, which is why I fled Amarr space as soon as I was able. As long as the Amarr Empire as a whole condones slavery, murder, crusades, and countless other injustices, I will not be part of it, and will speak out against it whenever possible.
I also find the Amarrian concept of "God" flawed, and my stomach becomes queasy when I hear someone try to throw it around like a shield to hide behind. The only "God" that exists is the abomination that you've created within your own mind. Peh... a God that tolerates and promotes hatred, just because someone differs from you... that is blasphemy in and of itself.
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Wyke Mossari
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Posted - 2006.09.29 18:36:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Archbishop
After visiting this city I went to the Monestary on Chaven for a week to purge my soul of visions I had seen in this "Federation" and the sin that flowed from every corner into the very hearts of man.
Archbishop
PIE Priest
Wonders if the Archbishop cleansed his soul through sadism or masochism.
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Ithildin
Gallente
The Corporation
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Posted - 2006.09.29 18:57:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Gaius Sejanus
You aren't important enough. You aren't a threat. When a rat gets into the cargo holds of your ship, you don't sterilize the planet you launched from to kill the other rats, you stomp on the offender and go about your business.
Actually, if you're a Gallente you do just that.
The Caldari weren't a threat to your people, but that didn't stop the orbital bombardment of Caldari Prime.
I think you'll find that a bit too ignorant, even for an Amarrian zealot to say. If you truely knew our history and could speak on the subject, it might have been forgiven that you missed the fact that the Caldari corporations were establishing illegal settlements and colonies under the Federation charter, but you could never have ignored the unjustified attack on Nouvelle Rouvenor on Caldari Prime by Caldari partisans - the work of true terrorism!
The right-wing regime at the time were perhaps a bit hasty in their declarations of war and actions against Caldari prime, but the response of a show of force was truely necessary. One does not murder half a million civilians and hope to walk away with it.
But pray tell, how does the Amarrians react to growing threats? Ah yes, that is correct. A bit more than orbital bombardment of military possitions and subsequent liberation of several hundred millions of your own citizens. For do not forget that a very large portion of the citizens on Caldari Prime were Gallente, and that the war was never wholesale destruction of the planet.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.29 19:25:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Ithildin
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Gaius Sejanus
You aren't important enough. You aren't a threat. When a rat gets into the cargo holds of your ship, you don't sterilize the planet you launched from to kill the other rats, you stomp on the offender and go about your business.
Actually, if you're a Gallente you do just that.
The Caldari weren't a threat to your people, but that didn't stop the orbital bombardment of Caldari Prime.
I think you'll find that a bit too ignorant, even for an Amarrian zealot to say. If you truely knew our history and could speak on the subject, it might have been forgiven that you missed the fact that the Caldari corporations were establishing illegal settlements and colonies under the Federation charter, but you could never have ignored the unjustified attack on Nouvelle Rouvenor on Caldari Prime by Caldari partisans - the work of true terrorism!
The right-wing regime at the time were perhaps a bit hasty in their declarations of war and actions against Caldari prime, but the response of a show of force was truely necessary. One does not murder half a million civilians and hope to walk away with it.
Doesn't your freedom-loving "morality" tell you that you kill only the rats responsible? If so, isn't punishing an entire planetary population (including many Galllenteans) a little bit excessive?
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Shurikane
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Posted - 2006.10.03 12:43:00 -
[81]
Tee-hee-hee.
In the time it took me to read this squabble, I earned a hundred million ISK.
Ahh, nothing like riding high and living free.
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Mark Carver
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Posted - 2006.10.03 21:29:00 -
[82]
Edited by: Mark Carver on 03/10/2006 21:34:57
interesting if a rather misguided
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Evanda Char
Minmatar
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2006.10.06 12:29:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Archbishop
I saw near open displays of pure porxography on video monitors and down one alley saw several Gallente people engaged in what could only be described as a "group activity".
And you spent how long staring at these things, exactly? Steam up the shop windows, did you?
Those who most adamantly revile a thing usually do so because theirs is the greatest hunger for it. You speak this sermon because what you saw is on your mind, because you want to revisit it, run it through your thoughts again and by crying out against it, you can do so in the guise of purity.
Besides, stick a little nudity in a sermon and a lot more people are going to listen.
The fact is... well, compare the average Federation citizen and the average visitor from a less liberal nation-state.
The visitor arrives on planet, checks into a hotel, walks out of the door and immediately buys as many drugs as he can stuff in the applicable orifice. He runs around for several days so far out of his tree that he's not even in the wood anymore, spends all his money and picks up a fairly antisocial disease. At the end of it, he can't remember a thing, though he'll tell everyone it was the best holiday ever for years afterwards.
The Federation citizen grows up aware of and educated about the use and abuse of the whole gamut of sex, drugs and whathaveyou. It's not the alluring forbidden fruit it is to you. It's more like dessert - you can have one if you feel like it, but you don't have to grab as many puddings as possible because you might never get another chance. They know what is safe, when they've had too much, what to do... and if someone slips up, and things get out of hand, they can get help, because there's no issue with admitting the problem in the first place.
Liberalism is a vital step on the road to a utopian society, for only in a society without jealousy can we truly attain equality.
Originally by: Archbishop
After visiting this city I went to the Monestary on Chaven for a week to purge my soul...
I just bet you did 
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
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