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jamesw
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2006.09.26 15:00:00 -
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with only one large repper you will always fail when faced with a competent opponent.
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Rehmes
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Posted - 2006.09.26 15:01:00 -
[62]
Edited by: Rehmes on 26/09/2006 15:02:30
I suppose a Nanophoon could pose a good challenge to the domi. Its too fast for the hvy drones to catch it and ofc u have ur own drones/torps/nos to take it down. Btw main issue the only time the domi becomes deadly is when u play right into its range. Since uve been around for years u already know the raven is mainly a long range ship (even though missles dont have those restrictions w/e). The domi is itself mianly a close range bs, so if u wanna beat it u have to look into how to counteract his set up.
Sensor back ups help, racial ecm/eccm will negate his attempts for the most part. Ur drones should be used to kill his; the domi dps is quite low w/o its drones, so try to simply have to dictate range and concentrate killing his drones w urs while u blast him with ur guns. ECM is chance based as u already know and in those circumstances even the domi can fall to a stupid pilot who simply got lucky. Perhaps u simply got the short end of the stick in that fight.
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Laocoon
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.09.26 15:01:00 -
[63]
 Originally by: Crom'ar Lev
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Ecm armortanking raven can beat the dominix. The other battleships in the game can warp home without even trying.
This is the ship I was trying to kill domi with.
replace some stabs with with BCUs k? 
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Deva Blackfire
DAB
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.26 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Crom'ar Lev
Newbies shouldnt post another classic example here.
So enlighten us all while u are orbiting at 17km in your curse how exactly are u going to tank 5 tech 2 heavy drones?
Guess you are only "most skilled" by SPs cause you cant use brain at all.
Ever heard of speed tanks? Check speed on MWDing curse and MWDing Ogre2. And another hint: curse can happily orbit at over 20km with shadow serp scrammer (it doesnt cost much - got 2 of em 30mil a piece already).
But OMG DOMI IS INVINCIBLE !!!!111ONEONE
So use one yourself and buzz off. KKthxbye.
Ah - and dont whine back when other ship will own you in 1v1.
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Crom'ar Lev
Minmatar
OctoberSnow Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.26 15:08:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Sivona
Originally by: Crom'ar Lev
Originally by: Sivona
Originally by: Crom'ar Lev
but hes still better than u btw
Oh Rly
From a 3 cruiser + bs cruiser fight vs 4 pirate bs fight :D
Wow u killed Ginger with a faction and 3 other tech 2 fitted ships while jamming him at the same time.Congratulations.The superior pvp and blobbing skils of the Mercenary Coalition is proved once more.
And for anothr thing I only warped in and engaged u because I was trying to rescue my corpmate who had stupidly got himself scrambled despite being aligned and at full speed. The only reason u got those kills was due to lag and u know it.
There was no lag, there were no invincible assault ships, there were no warp disrupting torpedo's, there were no invincible domi's.
There were 4 pirate BS's close range fitted 180km off the gate which warped to each other, feel free to look them up killed within 4 minutes of each other. So maybe you wern't working together and just happened to be ganged and just happened to have the close raneg fittings on waiting for us?
The fight was a 4 vs 4 with you in close range BS and us in a bs and 3 cruisers, how exactly do we avoid your definition of blobbing you - do we need to turn up in shuttles? Its odd you blaim the lag now, when we didn't get any and you didn't mention it at the time. Or is it just time to admit you setup a trap, we took the bait and kicked you into the middle of next week?
U killed Ginger and all the other bs 4v1 cause of lag and us not warping in together.
Admitedly was not our finest hour but a fair 4v4 fight without lag would have seen a very differnt result.Please come back when his highness is back btw.Maybe when server is sorted out too:)
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DANGEROUS
Black Lance
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.09.26 15:09:00 -
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a phoon would pwn a domi with setup as descibed , - but i am BUGGERED if i am going to give u the spec!!!
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Al Haquis
Minmatar
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.26 15:16:00 -
[67]
HAHAHAHHAHAHHA
LOL this thread and GM you sux so go back to your hole.
With love from Al Haquis.
And people please stop making sensible sugestions to this fool he might actually learn something.
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XyzzyX
ORB enterprises
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Posted - 2006.09.26 15:24:00 -
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I'm carebeer (gallante and mini ships) with little pvp expiriences but here are some theoretical calculations (i lkie quick fit and excel)
T2 ogres:
269x1,5x1,25 shields: 2 blast from large smartbomb
576x1,5x1,25 armor: 4-6 blasts from large smartbomb (depends on dmg type)
no idea how many HP: 2 blasts from large smartbomb
Overall:8-10 blasts from smartbombs
So if you fit two smartbombs on your free high slots on raven after 30-40s first wave of ogres will be dead. What should dominix pilot do? Send another wawe and lost another 3 mlns ISKs?
Even if your cap will be empty becouse of noses you can save some capboosters and inject them when drones will come to you.....
Situation on gate is more complicated becouse of sentries/concord :).
Which way are you going to nerf drones? Whitout ship bonus their dmg and hp even T2 is rather weak ...
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DarkElf
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.09.26 15:24:00 -
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Can't be bothered reading every post on this thread but my answer is
Ishtar - passive shield tank
let him nos u dry and watch his tank break and urs stays strong. both do about as much dmg as each other so ishtar wins. i can personally vouch for this.
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TheEndofTheWorld
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Posted - 2006.09.26 15:25:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Crom'ar Lev
Originally by: TheEndofTheWorld
Try ecm drones. Those might give him a bad time as he can't use himself.
Domi dps = ~450 OGRE2 -> THERMAL only
DPS lowers as you use kinetic, exp and em drones.
For example berserkers 2s do 350 dps:
XL2 + SBA + 2 invul field -> EXP ~80%, THERMAL ~60%, + 156 rep/s = you can tank both for reasonable time
2 LAR2 + 2 eanm + dc -> Thermal ~67%, EXP ~55%, + 141 rep/s tanks = you can tank both for reasonable time
For example if you engage 1v1 domi at a gate just aggro him and see how good he is, if you see t2 heavys just deagress and jump through/mwd out of scramble range.
Please don't nerf domi, but once we get ecm and nosf nerf I see Domi becaming the least used t1 BS in pvp
Some +'s for domi
1) Great tank
2) great for 1v1, small gang
Some other -'s for domi:
1) not gooed enough grid to fit Large Hybrids
2) 5 meds slots => not enough slots to go cap booster, mwd, web, warp distruptor AND ecm(NO, 1 multispec DOES NOT PERMAJAM BSes), so it means it has to choose either: Can't go regular with regular blaster meds as it would be worse than Megathorn, so it goes max 4-5 multispec 2, 1 no cap booster to run 2 LAR2 + ECM better, no mobility
3) Bad in larger gangs(heard something good about sentries, but that would has many downsides too) due to drone travel time.
4) Forced to use heavy drones => no antifrig drones, no ecm drones etc
If u posted with your main I might look at your suggestions.As it is I can see at a glance that you are an alt of a domi pilot praying to God that drones will not be nerfed and your iwin button wont be taken away.
The fight I am reffering to featured 5 ogres 2s attacking me.I was in an armor tanked ecm raven with 86% thermal resitance to armor.With this resitance and large armor repper my ship fell into structure inside 2 minutes and I escaped with 689 out of 8k hull thx to my best named damage control which kept me alive until I could jump through the gate as I was scrambled and had no stabs.
So, you just want to whine?
LAR2 -> 71 rep/s + 86% resist + 5 x ogre 2 = 450 dps <- but that together and you get permatank (assuming domi doesn't do much dmg with anything else)
Armor tank -> You had ecm? How did he permajam you? Was he expecting you to attack him in raven(maybe he fitted 4 caldari racials) as it seems you were expecting him to attack you. You have a whole 6 meds, 5 lows, 8 highs, 75m3 of dronebay to think a perfect counter-setup.
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Vicious Phoenix
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Posted - 2006.09.26 15:27:00 -
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The Dominix isn't what's broken here. The ECM however, that needs fixed.
CFW (Certified Forum Warrior)
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Shamis Orzoz
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2006.09.26 15:30:00 -
[72]
1 vaga wins against 1 domi.
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Blind Man
Caldari
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.09.26 15:30:00 -
[73]
Edited by: Blind Man on 26/09/2006 15:30:04
gank them and accept you really wont beat one 1v1
Originally by: Vicious Phoenix
The Dominix isn't what's broken here. The ECM however, that needs fixed.
yep
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Vincent Almasy
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Posted - 2006.09.26 15:39:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Crom'ar Lev
So u are fighting a dominix 1v1 how do u win?
Answer:u cant
Tech 2 drones maxed gallente bs skills plsu 5 med slots free for ecm
A tremendous tank even if u can get a lock - carrying multiple drones so can change damage types.In 1v1 this ship is unbeatable and it is ridiculous.Remove or nerf drones - automatic bull**** should not be the uber.
Any suggestions on how to beat a domi in 1v1 welcome - I look forward to knocking them all down.
This is a bore to read really.. if you wanna see a domi geting his a** handed to him check this video out: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=383813 it shows a domi being likked at 10:30 of the film running. you wanted to see a domi killed right, here it is, and it's one on one aswell.
From the level of kill from the pilot you decribe his skills are high if not maxed in all departments, so you would need simular time in other skills to do this, I have seen a few ships take out a domi focuing at close range high dps shells seeminingly target painter and webber to get prime shots each time aswell as the painter boosting the drone damage, anyways if the domi pilot was as you said he could of had 10 drones in the air if he was smart about it..
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Deva Blackfire
DAB
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.26 15:44:00 -
[75]
And btw - 1v1 vs domi and you never seen it? Check out Wave of Mutilation 2. Have fun.
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Twilight Moon
Minmatar
Malicious Intentions
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Posted - 2006.09.26 15:51:00 -
[76]
Sure....its all in the new "hidden" bonuses that the Dominix got in Blood patch:
200% bonus to Locking time when targeting Ginger Magician.
+500% to Heavy T2 Ogre Drone damage when fighting Ginger Magician.
1000% Effectiveness to ECM Jam Cycles when Jamming Ginger Magician.
Also, when a Dominix is being fitted for the purpose of fighting Ginger Magician solo 1vs1, its slot layout magically becomes 8,8,8.
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Kaiu
Hinkledolph and K Associates
The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2006.09.26 16:09:00 -
[77]
mwd shield tanked blaster domi?
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2006.09.26 16:10:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Onin Ra
Use NanoDomi
Nanophoon you mean
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Crom'ar Lev
Minmatar
OctoberSnow Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.26 16:27:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
1 vaga wins against 1 domi.
Post your killmail where 1 vaga has soloed a domi.
Plus if a normal tech 1 bs at a cost of 60mill can only be defeated 1v1 by a 280mill hac then something is wrong somewhere.
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Crom'ar Lev
Minmatar
OctoberSnow Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.26 16:30:00 -
[80]
Originally by: XyzzyX
I'm carebeer (gallante and mini ships) with little pvp expiriences but here are some theoretical calculations (i lkie quick fit and excel)
T2 ogres:
269x1,5x1,25 shields: 2 blast from large smartbomb
576x1,5x1,25 armor: 4-6 blasts from large smartbomb (depends on dmg type)
no idea how many HP: 2 blasts from large smartbomb
Overall:8-10 blasts from smartbombs
So if you fit two smartbombs on your free high slots on raven after 30-40s first wave of ogres will be dead. What should dominix pilot do? Send another wawe and lost another 3 mlns ISKs?
Even if your cap will be empty becouse of noses you can save some capboosters and inject them when drones will come to you.....
Situation on gate is more complicated becouse of sentries/concord :).
Which way are you going to nerf drones? Whitout ship bonus their dmg and hp even T2 is rather weak ...
Please dont post any more.You are only embarassing yourself.
And plz try fighting a domi with 2 large smartbombs in empire.
Let me know how u get on
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Crom'ar Lev
Minmatar
OctoberSnow Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.26 16:34:00 -
[81]
Originally by: DANGEROUS
a phoon would pwn a domi with setup as descibed , - but i am BUGGERED if i am going to give u the spec!!!
When I want a setup to pwn complex npcs I'll be sure to give u a call.
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Bazman
Caldari
The Establishment
Establishment
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Posted - 2006.09.26 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
1 vaga wins against 1 domi.
Tbh, only if the Dominix pilot is a dumbass :P
Nos/EW Dominix is virtually unbeatable in a 1v1. Thats why I fly dual 250's and BlasterDom's, it gives your opponent a (slight) chance :P
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xeom
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.09.26 16:48:00 -
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Come on guys the domi is fine how it is!
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XyzzyX
ORB enterprises
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Posted - 2006.09.26 16:55:00 -
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Edited by: XyzzyX on 26/09/2006 16:55:38
Huh what are you going to prove me? Show mistakes in my calculations...
This is not solution for Jita's gates....
Please show us your solution to nefr dominix without makeing it useless.
I'm glad that you don't have any impact on ships statistics ........
I consider our discution is over.
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Azerrad InExile
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Posted - 2006.09.26 17:05:00 -
[85]
What happens if a Dominix fights a Dominix 1v1 then? Stalemate? Server explodes? Terribly argued posts get proved wrong?
Inquiring minds want to know.
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Vincent Almasy
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Posted - 2006.09.26 17:07:00 -
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the domi is far from invincible, any ship wish a great pilot can seem un beatable to those who have less skill and much less experience in PVP it's not the ship it's the pilot that's the threat.. don't you guys see that by now?
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Constantine Arcanum
Gallente
IMPERIAL SENATE
Pure.
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Posted - 2006.09.26 17:08:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Crom'ar Lev
Edited by: Crom''ar Lev on 26/09/2006 13:54:48
I'll stop posting when someone gives me an idea about how to actually beat a domi and backs it up with evidence.ATM it is clear that the original premise of the thread is sadly true.
And yes this may be a character that I use as an alt but being as I have the most famous as well as one of the most skilled characters in EVE avalaible to be me when hes not banned then anything would be an alt.
The fact is Crom is a well skilled pilot who can solo anyone in 1v1 combat but Domis are so overpowered that u just cant win whatever u do atm.
Here you go
TBH Istvaan Shogaatsu is the most famous thanks to PC Gamer, and acts much more pleasantly about it 
I helped - Cortes
What a shiny and lovely place here - Eshtir
Well lets make it a party atleast :D -Xorus
RAWWWR!11!!1!2 SIG HIJACK!!11!1
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Nuances
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Posted - 2006.09.26 17:11:00 -
[88]
Ginger Magician? Wasn't he the pinnochio who gets rammed by every Dominix he meets?
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Constantine Arcanum
Gallente
IMPERIAL SENATE
Pure.
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Posted - 2006.09.26 17:13:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Crom'ar Lev
Originally by: XyzzyX
I'm carebeer (gallante and mini ships) with little pvp expiriences but here are some theoretical calculations (i lkie quick fit and excel)
T2 ogres:
269x1,5x1,25 shields: 2 blast from large smartbomb
576x1,5x1,25 armor: 4-6 blasts from large smartbomb (depends on dmg type)
no idea how many HP: 2 blasts from large smartbomb
Overall:8-10 blasts from smartbombs
So if you fit two smartbombs on your free high slots on raven after 30-40s first wave of ogres will be dead. What should dominix pilot do? Send another wawe and lost another 3 mlns ISKs?
Even if your cap will be empty becouse of noses you can save some capboosters and inject them when drones will come to you.....
Situation on gate is more complicated becouse of sentries/concord :).
Which way are you going to nerf drones? Whitout ship bonus their dmg and hp even T2 is rather weak ...
Please dont post any more.You are only embarassing yourself.
And plz try fighting a domi with 2 large smartbombs in empire.
Let me know how u get on
BTW he pointed out he was a carebear and didn't know much about PVP... He made a suggestion and you shat all over him  ... think it says a lot about the person behind ginger...
I helped - Cortes
What a shiny and lovely place here - Eshtir
Well lets make it a party atleast :D -Xorus
RAWWWR!11!!1!2 SIG HIJACK!!11!1
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Gabriel Karade
Office linebackers
Blood of the Innocents
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Posted - 2006.09.26 17:19:00 -
[90]
It's a shame there is a valid concern, just the OP got it wrong, drones are fine and most certainly do not warrant 'nerfing'. ECM/Nos are however, a bit too potent at the moment.
As to the 'invincible Dominix', well sure it has 5 mid slots, but it realistically needs web/scram to hold anything in place, a cap injector is desirable to run a 'big' tank, an AB or MWD desirable for range control, and it really needs at least 3x ECM to ensure good success with jamming.
Clearly something has to give, and if it can't keep a target immobilised place - it can't win. I'm in no way saying it's not out of place w.r.t other Battleships - it is, but that's largely down to its ability against smaller ships, and doesn't make it 'invincible'
In short; it's a tough ship, and does need the ECM/Nosferatu changes to knock it a bit into line, but not through nerfing drones.
Dead domi
Dead domi
Dead domi (Apoc and My blaster-domi vs. two Nos-domis)
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