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Crom'ar Lev Minmatar OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2006.09.26 13:47:00 - [31] Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 26/09/2006 13:39:21 Originally by: Crom'ar Lev If u know nothing dont post.This ia thread for people who have actually soloed a few player bs not npcs.Alts not welcome. [...] And finally can u tank 5 ogre 2s firing every 2 seconds with wrecking of 400 plus.I could not tank this damage with 86% thermal hardening. I take it you DON'T frequent the FD-MLJ FFA areas on SISI much, now do you ? I'd suggest you start doing that once in a while. And YES, it is TRIVIAL to tank the raw DPS of 5x Ogre IIs from a L4 gallente BS dominix using a full passive shield setup on a scorp. AND you get better lock/ECM with it by the way. A bit harder with an armor tanked raven, that's sure. WHY DO YOU INSIST IN FLYING A RAVEN THEN, UH ? Talk about self-righteous self-appointed know-it-alls. Pot, kettle, meet Mr. Black. OK so a scorpion locks quicker than a raven? Interesting.Secondly a dominix can carry 15 heavy drones.Any skilled dominix pilot will simply change drones to those than can do most damage.Are u sure u can tank 3 diferent damage types in your scorp? And thirdly how exactly will u break the tank of the dominix with your uber damage dealing scorp that has no damage bonus whatsoever? Just give up stoopid and let the adults talk
Twilight Moon Minmatar Malicious Intentions	Posted - 2006.09.26 13:49:00 - [32] Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Just give up stoopid and let the adults talk You going to stop posting in your own thread then? ---------------- ...on the other hand using a banana might be a viable alternative. Anyone Recruiting? 8m SP PvP Character looking for a new home, for a life as a pirate. Contact Via EVE-Mail.
Malena Perpetual Dawn	Posted - 2006.09.26 13:52:00 - [33] If you are going to be such an ****** to everyone who posts and gives you suggestions...something you ASKED FOR...then why should anyone bother? Oh, yes, to conveniently give you targets for your level 5 forum flaming skill, and to demonstrate your level 4 lack of spelling and typing ability. Sheesh...don't be a ** about something you asked people to do. Man, I can't believe I just wasted 3 minutes reading this thread, and another one replying to it.
Akita T Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.09.26 13:53:00 - [34] IF you're talking about an ACTUAL domi setup YOU DO FIGHT and NOT about some illusory "but the domi I fight can also fit this and that too", then we can give you ACTUAL responses, not just rough guidelines (that you keep rejecting BTW). So unless you GIVE us ONE setup of a Dominix you ACTUALLY want to fight, and STOP changing fittings on the presumed enemy domi, then we can start having a serious talk. Oh, an ACTUAL fitting, one that... uh, you know, FITS. And works. So then we can see about what can and can't be done, and what ship/firrings to use to counter it. If not, go bleepety bleep bleep yourself. __ Always question everything. Including yourself.
Crom'ar Lev Minmatar OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2006.09.26 13:54:00 - [35] Edited by: Crom''ar Lev on 26/09/2006 13:54:48 I'll stop posting when someone gives me an idea about how to actually beat a domi and backs it up with evidence.ATM it is clear that the original premise of the thread is sadly true. And yes this may be a character that I use as an alt but being as I have the most famous as well as one of the most skilled characters in EVE avalaible to be me when hes not banned then anything would be an alt. The fact is Crom is a well skilled pilot who can solo anyone in 1v1 combat but Domis are so overpowered that u just cant win whatever u do atm.
Crom'ar Lev Minmatar OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2006.09.26 13:57:00 - [36] Originally by: Akita T IF you're talking about an ACTUAL domi setup YOU DO FIGHT and NOT about some illusory "but the domi I fight can also fit this and that too", then we can give you ACTUAL responses, not just rough guidelines (that you keep rejecting BTW). So unless you GIVE us ONE setup of a Dominix you ACTUALLY want to fight, and STOP changing fittings on the presumed enemy domi, then we can start having a serious talk. Oh, an ACTUAL fitting, one that... uh, you know, FITS. And works. So then we can see about what can and can't be done, and what ship/firrings to use to counter it. If not, go bleepety bleep bleep yourself. PWNED
Kery Nysell Caldari Nysell Incorporated	Posted - 2006.09.26 14:00:00 - [37] Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Edited by: Crom''ar Lev on 26/09/2006 13:54:48 I'll stop posting when someone gives me an idea about how to actually beat a domi and backs it up with evidence.ATM it is clear that the original premise of the thread is sadly true. And yes this may be a character that I use as an alt but being as I have the most famous as well as one of the most skilled characters in EVE avalaible to be me when hes not banned then anything would be an alt. The fact is Crom is a well skilled pilot who can solo anyone in 1v1 combat but Domis are so overpowered that u just cant win whatever u do atm. Hidden in there (and underlined by me) is probably the only reason for this thread : e-peen stroking ! ROFLMAO, my sides hurt ... BTW, I'm proud of the fact that I don't know a single thing about PvP, I just pointed out that your "smartbombs cannot be activated in Empire" is totally false, but I keep coming back for more laughs ...
Achure	Posted - 2006.09.26 14:06:00 - [38] id liek ot beat a raven in my CLOSE RANGE MEGATHRON. ever heard of JAMMING BACK or ECCM or... NOSSING THEM... pfft..... nanotyphoon scares me
Akita T Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.09.26 14:08:00 - [39] Originally by: Crom'ar Lev PWNED Uh, would that be a you pwn me or a me pwn you reply ? __ Always question everything. Including yourself.
Hugh Ruka Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.26 14:09:00 - [40] the short answer: 1 eccm, 1 sensor backup array a dominix with 3 multis and sd level 5 will have much trouble keeping a jam on you at least that was BEFORE the eccm got buffed. however you still need a bit of luck Originally by: JP Beauregard The experience with Exodus playtesting has scarred me for life. Those were bug-reports, not feature requests, you numbskulls....
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation	Posted - 2006.09.26 14:12:00 - [41] Good morning, how's the coffee? There's a reason why nos, ecm and wcs are getting "looked at". As for not being able to kill one, I don't know. Managed to bump into one with my blasterthron, classical nos-ecm-dom, and all it took was two failed jamming cycles and he was dead. Real people with some guts fly blasterdominixes, though, without jamming. Perfectly fine and more like under-powered than over-powered, in fact could use a little touch-up in the PG department. - Three years old
Nicocat Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.26 14:14:00 - [42] Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Edited by: Crom''ar Lev on 26/09/2006 13:54:48 I'll stop posting when someone gives me an idea about how to actually beat a domi and backs it up with evidence.ATM it is clear that the original premise of the thread is sadly true. And yes this may be a character that I use as an alt but being as I have the most famous as well as one of the most skilled characters in EVE avalaible to be me when hes not banned then anything would be an alt. The fact is Crom is a well skilled pilot who can solo anyone in 1v1 combat but Domis are so overpowered that u just cant win whatever u do atm. So solo a domi in your so-called "most skilled character" and shut the hell up, you rude piece of ****. But to be on topic, use a Nanophoon. Those things make Jesus go "I'm not going in there." ---------------------------- Remember, killing a Goon isn't murder. They don't have souls.
Bodhisattvas	Posted - 2006.09.26 14:14:00 - [43] Sensor Dampeners. Use a ship that locks faster. Stay out side his poor range. No more jammed, no more nos, deal with teh drones, the end. Now be Shhh
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.26 14:16:00 - [44] Give sensor damps a go. You'll love it. Another thought...a properly fitted eccm version of any battleship will give an ecm domi fits.
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.09.26 14:24:00 - [45] Originally by: Crom'ar Lev So u are fighting a dominix 1v1 how do u win? Answer:u cant QFT Scrapheap Challenge Forums - All the cool kids are doing it!
Rhuu Gallente Es and Whizz	Posted - 2006.09.26 14:30:00 - [46] Originally by: Reto 3rd drones do somert around 800-900dps if maxed out. there are ships which do a lot more dps than the domi. Only in a lesser ship, like a Moros. Dominix drones do something like 2500 dps and can take any carrier 1v1. It's just that awesome.
Sivona Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.26 14:31:00 - [47] Originally by: Crom'ar Lev but hes still better than u btw Oh Rly From a 3 cruiser + bs cruiser fight vs 4 pirate bs fight :D
Ozawi Minmatar	Posted - 2006.09.26 14:34:00 - [48] Originally by: Kery Nysell Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Edited by: Crom''ar Lev on 26/09/2006 13:54:48 I'll stop posting when someone gives me an idea about how to actually beat a domi and backs it up with evidence.ATM it is clear that the original premise of the thread is sadly true. And yes this may be a character that I use as an alt but being as I have the most famous as well as one of the most skilled characters in EVE avalaible to be me when hes not banned then anything would be an alt. The fact is Crom is a well skilled pilot who can solo anyone in 1v1 combat but Domis are so overpowered that u just cant win whatever u do atm. Hidden in there (and underlined by me) is probably the only reason for this thread : e-peen stroking ! ROFLMAO, my sides hurt ... BTW, I'm proud of the fact that I don't know a single thing about PvP, I just pointed out that your "smartbombs cannot be activated in Empire" is totally false, but I keep coming back for more laughs ... Heheh, yeah. Most famous - I've spent hours on these forums every day at the office for the last five weeks, first I've heard of the kid. I'm guessing maybe he's well-known at the local mall maybe? And I'm a less than one million SP newbie, and I know you can activate smartbombs in high sec, just have to keep your head out of your a when you do it. But head-in-a is what this thread is all about, isn't it? ------------------------------------------------ This sig is mine. There are others like it, but this one is mine alone. Mods keep out, or I will drop trou and sprinkle some tinkle in your Cheerios! -I don't eat Cheerios. -ReverendM
EllieBean Caldari Digital Fury Corporation	Posted - 2006.09.26 14:35:00 - [49] A couple of possibilities: Curse with two nos two neuts and a load of sensor damps and cap injector arbiting at 17km. I think 3 sensor damps will take a domi below 17km range. MWD probably needed so the domi cant gain on you. Your cap should be able to hold aslong as you turn the neuts off when the target aint got cap left. Gallente recon, use something similar to make locking range below your orbit and just keep at it until his tank fails. Neither of these two will be fast but a good possibility of working.
Crom'ar Lev Minmatar OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2006.09.26 14:35:00 - [50] Originally by: jamesw Edited by: jamesw on 26/09/2006 13:27:18 I agree with the original poster, but its been that way for 2 years. Yes I know that but I have not posted before because I have maxed skills on GM for gallente bs and drones and thought I should enjoy the benefits of this overpowerment for a while. But nevertheless my main concern is the see balance and fairness in the game and the time has come to reveal the obvious inbalance in tech 2 drones and dominixes.Hopefully Kali will bring about some more balance in this area
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.26 14:36:00 - [51] ECM scorp, keep it jammed and no drones go after you. Smartbombs also ruin their day.
Crom'ar Lev Minmatar OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2006.09.26 14:40:00 - [52] Originally by: Sivona Originally by: Crom'ar Lev but hes still better than u btw Oh Rly From a 3 cruiser + bs cruiser fight vs 4 pirate bs fight :D Wow u killed Ginger with a faction and 3 other tech 2 fitted ships while jamming him at the same time.Congratulations.The superior pvp and blobbing skils of the Mercenary Coalition is proved once more. And for anothr thing I only warped in and engaged u because I was trying to rescue my corpmate who had stupidly got himself scrambled despite being aligned and at full speed. The only reason u got those kills was due to lag and u know it.
Crom'ar Lev Minmatar OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2006.09.26 14:45:00 - [53] Originally by: EllieBean A couple of possibilities: Curse with two nos two neuts and a load of sensor damps and cap injector arbiting at 17km. I think 3 sensor damps will take a domi below 17km range. MWD probably needed so the domi cant gain on you. Your cap should be able to hold aslong as you turn the neuts off when the target aint got cap left. Gallente recon, use something similar to make locking range below your orbit and just keep at it until his tank fails. Neither of these two will be fast but a good possibility of working. Newbies shouldnt post another classic example here. So enlighten us all while u are orbiting at 17km in your curse how exactly are u going to tank 5 tech 2 heavy drones?
Burlock Ironfist Celtic Anarchy Black Reign Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.26 14:48:00 - [54] Ginger the reason why people dont talk to you with respect is that you dont give out any its a 2 way deal here. I have seen many valid suggestion that you have only responded to in a imature manner. Nos and ECM is being looked at so we know they are overpowered. Its funny you complain about them yet are happy to use the setup yourself. We get the idea you think that this domi setup is unfair, but dont voice it in a way that make you sound like you want people to suggest setups, when you obviously dont. BOOBIES!
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.26 14:48:00 - [55] Edited by: Garreck on 26/09/2006 14:49:02 Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Newbies shouldnt post another classic example here. So enlighten us all while u are orbiting at 17km in your curse how exactly are u going to tank 5 tech 2 heavy drones? edit Eep. Just realized the fella above was talking about a gallente recon...which is indeed ****e at tanking.
TheEndofTheWorld	Posted - 2006.09.26 14:49:00 - [56] Try ecm drones. Those might give him a bad time as he can't use himself. Domi dps = ~450 OGRE2 -> THERMAL only DPS lowers as you use kinetic, exp and em drones. For example berserkers 2s do 350 dps: XL2 + SBA + 2 invul field -> EXP ~80%, THERMAL ~60%, + 156 rep/s = you can tank both for reasonable time 2 LAR2 + 2 eanm + dc -> Thermal ~67%, EXP ~55%, + 141 rep/s tanks = you can tank both for reasonable time For example if you engage 1v1 domi at a gate just aggro him and see how good he is, if you see t2 heavys just deagress and jump through/mwd out of scramble range. Please don't nerf domi, but once we get ecm and nosf nerf I see Domi becaming the least used t1 BS in pvp Some +'s for domi 1) Great tank 2) great for 1v1, small gang Some other -'s for domi: 1) not gooed enough grid to fit Large Hybrids 2) 5 meds slots => not enough slots to go cap booster, mwd, web, warp distruptor AND ecm(NO, 1 multispec DOES NOT PERMAJAM BSes), so it means it has to choose either: Can't go regular with regular blaster meds as it would be worse than Megathorn, so it goes max 4-5 multispec 2, 1 no cap booster to run 2 LAR2 + ECM better, no mobility 3) Bad in larger gangs(heard something good about sentries, but that would has many downsides too) due to drone travel time. 4) Forced to use heavy drones => no antifrig drones, no ecm drones etc
Miklas Laces A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A	Posted - 2006.09.26 14:53:00 - [57] Edited by: Miklas Laces on 26/09/2006 14:53:51 Assuming typical Vampdomi setup (Nos, ecm, tank, heavy drones): 1) DPS of a Vampdomi is average at best. With bs5 and tech2 drones (=20m sp char) it does around 400hp/s. People playing for less than 1 year will probably have bs4, drone-interfacing4 and use Ogre I, which means less than 300hp/s. Any Bs can outdamage that easily. 2) The Domi usually can't fit more than 3x Heavy Nos, so try to stay out of Med Nos range. Even if you are at very close range, a single cap booster will compensate for the Domi's Nos. 3) If you don't want to get jammed, fit ECCM and put 5 ECM drones (2 large, 3 med) into your Raven's drone bay. In short: Vampdomi sacrifies all its high slots for Nos, which you can counter with a single cap booster, and therefore has a crappy DPS. All you have to do is keep your lock and shoot. Even if you "waste" one slot for an ECCM your DPS and Tank will probably be enough for a fair fight. And use your dronebay.
Sivona Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.26 14:54:00 - [58] Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Originally by: Sivona Originally by: Crom'ar Lev but hes still better than u btw Oh Rly From a 3 cruiser + bs cruiser fight vs 4 pirate bs fight :D Wow u killed Ginger with a faction and 3 other tech 2 fitted ships while jamming him at the same time.Congratulations.The superior pvp and blobbing skils of the Mercenary Coalition is proved once more. And for anothr thing I only warped in and engaged u because I was trying to rescue my corpmate who had stupidly got himself scrambled despite being aligned and at full speed. The only reason u got those kills was due to lag and u know it. There was no lag, there were no invincible assault ships, there were no warp disrupting torpedo's, there were no invincible domi's. There were 4 pirate BS's close range fitted 180km off the gate which warped to each other, feel free to look them up killed within 4 minutes of each other. So maybe you wern't working together and just happened to be ganged and just happened to have the close raneg fittings on waiting for us? The fight was a 4 vs 4 with you in close range BS and us in a bs and 3 cruisers, how exactly do we avoid your definition of blobbing you - do we need to turn up in shuttles? Its odd you blaim the lag now, when we didn't get any and you didn't mention it at the time. Or is it just time to admit you setup a trap, we took the bait and kicked you into the middle of next week?
EllieBean Caldari Digital Fury Corporation	Posted - 2006.09.26 14:56:00 - [59] Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Originally by: EllieBean A couple of possibilities: Curse with two nos two neuts and a load of sensor damps and cap injector arbiting at 17km. I think 3 sensor damps will take a domi below 17km range. MWD probably needed so the domi cant gain on you. Your cap should be able to hold aslong as you turn the neuts off when the target aint got cap left. Gallente recon, use something similar to make locking range below your orbit and just keep at it until his tank fails. Neither of these two will be fast but a good possibility of working. Newbies shouldnt post another classic example here. So enlighten us all while u are orbiting at 17km in your curse how exactly are u going to tank 5 tech 2 heavy drones? Dual rep? ECM yourself ( especially effective with the damps increasing lock time )? As you have pointed out in all your previous threads one of the problems you have is the domi locking first. A recon will lock first and the damps and ECM will make it incredible hard to regain a lock. If drones do get launched b4 you get a chance to jam 5 T2 mediums will eat ogres fairly fast. Also a the dual rep should tank it while you do.
Crom'ar Lev Minmatar OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2006.09.26 14:57:00 - [60] Originally by: TheEndofTheWorld Try ecm drones. Those might give him a bad time as he can't use himself. Domi dps = ~450 OGRE2 -> THERMAL only DPS lowers as you use kinetic, exp and em drones. For example berserkers 2s do 350 dps: XL2 + SBA + 2 invul field -> EXP ~80%, THERMAL ~60%, + 156 rep/s = you can tank both for reasonable time 2 LAR2 + 2 eanm + dc -> Thermal ~67%, EXP ~55%, + 141 rep/s tanks = you can tank both for reasonable time For example if you engage 1v1 domi at a gate just aggro him and see how good he is, if you see t2 heavys just deagress and jump through/mwd out of scramble range. Please don't nerf domi, but once we get ecm and nosf nerf I see Domi becaming the least used t1 BS in pvp Some +'s for domi 1) Great tank 2) great for 1v1, small gang Some other -'s for domi: 1) not gooed enough grid to fit Large Hybrids 2) 5 meds slots => not enough slots to go cap booster, mwd, web, warp distruptor AND ecm(NO, 1 multispec DOES NOT PERMAJAM BSes), so it means it has to choose either: Can't go regular with regular blaster meds as it would be worse than Megathorn, so it goes max 4-5 multispec 2, 1 no cap booster to run 2 LAR2 + ECM better, no mobility 3) Bad in larger gangs(heard something good about sentries, but that would has many downsides too) due to drone travel time. 4) Forced to use heavy drones => no antifrig drones, no ecm drones etc If u posted with your main I might look at your suggestions.As it is I can see at a glance that you are an alt of a domi pilot praying to God that drones will not be nerfed and your iwin button wont be taken away. The fight I am reffering to featured 5 ogres 2s attacking me.I was in an armor tanked ecm raven with 86% thermal resitance to armor.With this resitance and large armor repper my ship fell into structure inside 2 minutes and I escaped with 689 out of 8k hull thx to my best named damage control which kept me alive until I could jump through the gate as I was scrambled and had no stabs.

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