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Crom'ar Lev Minmatar OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2006.09.26 12:57:00 - [1] So u are fighting a dominix 1v1 how do u win? Answer:u cant Tech 2 drones maxed gallente bs skills plsu 5 med slots free for ecm A tremendous tank even if u can get a lock - carrying multiple drones so can change damage types.In 1v1 this ship is unbeatable and it is ridiculous.Remove or nerf drones - automatic bull**** should not be the uber. Any suggestions on how to beat a domi in 1v1 welcome - I look forward to knocking them all down.
Akita T Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.09.26 13:02:00 - [2] FOF cruise, cap booster 800 + 2x large smartbomb, full passive shield tanking (SPRs + extender(s) + passive hardner(s)). !!! I WIN !!! P.S. CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL __ Always question everything. Including yourself.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.26 13:03:00 - [3] Ecm armortanking raven can beat the dominix. The other battleships in the game can warp home without even trying. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Sivona Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.26 13:03:00 - [4] So ginger got killed by a domi then? Try using smartbombs to kill the drones for a start, then running a point of scramble and gallente racials :)
Clone runner	Posted - 2006.09.26 13:05:00 - [5] ecm drones you just need to launch them before the domi jams you even the light ones are stupidly overpowered and jam bs most of the time
Crom'ar Lev Minmatar OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2006.09.26 13:05:00 - [6] OK thre first 2 useless suggestions 1. fof cruise will not break teh tank of a domi or kill drones before u die 2. Smartbombs cannot be activated in empire 3.I did not die and I cant play my dearest GM atm so I am stuck with this relatively crap alt - but hes still better than u btw 4.I escaped with 689 hull in a jammed raven which was tanked for the damage type really there is nothing u can do but I open to ideas as I am out of em.
DeadRow True Core	Posted - 2006.09.26 13:07:00 - [7] Sure its hard to beat a domi, but its not impossible. Use ECCM/ECM drones. Had a very good fight with a domi few weeks back and won by the skin of my teeth in my mega. :P /DeadRow, True Core
Crom'ar Lev Minmatar OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2006.09.26 13:08:00 - [8] Originally by: Jim McGregor Ecm armortanking raven can beat the dominix. The other battleships in the game can warp home without even trying. This is the ship I was trying to kill domi with.Unfortuantely Domi alwasy locks u first cause of better sig and therefore ur jamed first.In any case no jam will work 100% of the time.Unless u can tank damage and do enough damage to kill domi u cant win.And it is possible to either tank or do damage but not both.
Twilight Moon Minmatar Malicious Intentions	Posted - 2006.09.26 13:11:00 - [9] I love my Dominix. jumped through a gate a short while ago, only to find a Tempest, Curse and a Sacraledge on the other side. as I prepared to get my ass rammed hard over the gate, I thought I may as well try to escape, and slapped an ECM on each of them. Got 3 jams, Lady Luck was obviously in love with my stunning looks that day. I then of course proceeded to run away screaming like a little girl. ....but at least I still had my ship. ---------------- ...on the other hand using a banana might be a viable alternative. Anyone Recruiting? 8m SP PvP Character looking for a new home, for a life as a pirate. Contact Via EVE-Mail.
Akita T Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.09.26 13:12:00 - [10] Originally by: Crom'ar Lev OK thre first 2 useless suggestions 1. fof cruise will not break teh tank of a domi or kill drones before u die 2. Smartbombs cannot be activated in empire (FOF) cruise don't kill the drones, THE SMARTBOMBS DO. And you only equip FOF cruise IF/WHEN jammed, other than that equip cruise fury. Smartbombs CAN be activated in empire... it's just that IF you hit SOMETHING that you're not supposed to, you get concordokkened. Other than that, smartbombs in empire IS a perfectly valid alternative. And good luck with the (I suppose full NOS-equipped), jamming Dominix TRYING to get ANY extra cap out of you, with the SPRs equipped... you just fire the cap booster then immediately after the smartbombs... no cap left, damage dealt. I doubt you need more than 2 "smartbomb volleys" before any T2 heavy drone is a goner. And with no extra cap from NOSing, what's the dominix going to do for active armor tanking... use its own cap ? LOL. __ Always question everything. Including yourself.
Kery Nysell Caldari Nysell Incorporated	Posted - 2006.09.26 13:12:00 - [11] Originally by: Crom'ar Lev 2. Smartbombs cannot be activated in empire Nice one, but totally false ... you CAN activate smartbombs in Empire, you just have to avoid nailing Concord/NPCs/innocent bystanders with your damage sphere ... not too hard, since those things don't have a tremendous range ... Of course, if you sit on a gate waiting for something to pie-rat, you will nail the gate, and subsequently get CONCORDOKKED ... too bad.
Crom'ar Lev Minmatar OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2006.09.26 13:15:00 - [12] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Crom'ar Lev OK thre first 2 useless suggestions 1. fof cruise will not break teh tank of a domi or kill drones before u die 2. Smartbombs cannot be activated in empire (FOF) cruise don't kill the drones, THE SMARTBOMBS DO. And you only equip FOF cruise IF/WHEN jammed, other than that equip cruise fury. Smartbombs CAN be activated in empire... it's just that IF you hit SOMETHING that you're not supposed to, you get concordokkened. Other than that, smartbombs in empire IS a perfectly valid alternative. And good luck with the (I suppose full NOS-equipped), jamming Dominix TRYING to get ANY extra cap out of you, with the SPRs equipped... you just fire the cap booster then immediately after the smartbombs... no cap left, damage dealt. I doubt you need more than 2 "smartbomb volleys" before any T2 heavy drone is a goner. And with no extra cap from NOSing, what's the dominix going to do for active armor tanking... use its own cap ? LOL. If u know nothing dont post.This ia thread for people who have actually soloed a few player bs not npcs.Alts not welcome.
Setana Manoro Gallente Novus Aequitas	Posted - 2006.09.26 13:16:00 - [13] So ... you are using Ravens now since you learned that they can scramble from 125km ? PS: Use an AF, that worked on you. :) -------------------------------------------------- Always look on the bright side of life. :)
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.26 13:16:00 - [14] hi ginger --------------------- Looking for frentix? Mail me.
XyzzyX ORB enterprises	Posted - 2006.09.26 13:18:00 - [15] Edited by: XyzzyX on 26/09/2006 13:19:47 Smartbombs are only answer. One or two of them and you will face dominix with nos and ECM without any firepower :). Simply be carefull with them and use capboosters wise.
Crom'ar Lev Minmatar OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2006.09.26 13:18:00 - [16] Anyway to summarise FOFS wont work Jamming wont work cause its not guaranteed and will never last the whole fight and doesnt affect domi much anywya as drones will still be doing max damage to u the whole time while at some times u yourself will be jammed and unable to do anyhting to the domi. Smartbombs cannot be used in empire safely and to destroy all the drones a domi can launch would in any case take more cap than u can fit to your ship even using cap boosters. So anyhting else?
Kery Nysell Caldari Nysell Incorporated	Posted - 2006.09.26 13:19:00 - [17] Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Alts not welcome. Said the alt. Classic.
ian666 Minmatar Turbulent	Posted - 2006.09.26 13:23:00 - [18] 1, the Domi isn't carrying a Scram so you warp off if your getting owned its up to him to make sure you don't. 2, carry ECM and ECCM, break his jam and then jam him. 3, Nos in your highs and cap boosters, use your drones to take his down while u pound his ship with your spare highs. 4, Cruise Nos the Domi and stay out of his Nos range and Use your ECM to jam him, his tank will fail. There are loads of possible ways just think about it, the domi is a good ship but its far from invincible.
jamesw Omniscient Order	Posted - 2006.09.26 13:27:00 - [19] I agree with the original poster -- NEW Vid: Domi For the Win!
Crom'ar Lev Minmatar OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2006.09.26 13:30:00 - [20] Originally by: ian666 1, the Domi isn't carrying a Scram so you warp off if your getting owned its up to him to make sure you don't. 2, carry ECM and ECCM, break his jam and then jam him. 3, Nos in your highs and cap boosters, use your drones to take his down while u pound his ship with your spare highs. 4, Cruise Nos the Domi and stay out of his Nos range and Use your ECM to jam him, his tank will fail. There are loads of possible ways just think about it, the domi is a good ship but its far from invincible. All rubbish 1.This domi carries a scambler - it has 5 med slots remember 2.U cant jam the domi the whole fight and it locks quicker than most other bs anyway plus has superior tank in most cases. 3.I always fit cap boosters but domi will fit the same so no advantage plus drones use no cap to fire.U cannot nos someone while u r jammed 4.Exactly how can u nos him without him nossing u? Heavy nos uses a tremendous amount of pg and has little effect on a domi unless u use 4 or more and then u have very little options for other weapons. And finally can u tank 5 ogre 2s firing every 2 seconds with wrecking of 400 plus.I could not tank this damage with 86% thermal hardening.
Twilight Moon Minmatar Malicious Intentions	Posted - 2006.09.26 13:32:00 - [21] Use a faction fitted nanophoon with a 24km scrambler. ---------------- ...on the other hand using a banana might be a viable alternative. Anyone Recruiting? 8m SP PvP Character looking for a new home, for a life as a pirate. Contact Via EVE-Mail.
Kaylana Syi Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.09.26 13:35:00 - [22] You can beat a dominix 1 on 1 you just need a clue how to play the game. Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
Akita T Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.09.26 13:38:00 - [23] Edited by: Akita T on 26/09/2006 13:39:21 Originally by: Crom'ar Lev If u know nothing dont post.This ia thread for people who have actually soloed a few player bs not npcs.Alts not welcome. [...] And finally can u tank 5 ogre 2s firing every 2 seconds with wrecking of 400 plus.I could not tank this damage with 86% thermal hardening. I take it you DON'T frequent the FD-MLJ FFA areas on SISI much, now do you ? I'd suggest you start doing that once in a while. And YES, it is TRIVIAL to tank the raw DPS of 5x Ogre IIs from a L4 gallente BS dominix using a full passive shield setup on a scorp. AND you get better lock/ECM with it by the way. A bit harder with an armor tanked raven, that's sure. WHY DO YOU INSIST IN FLYING A RAVEN THEN, UH ? Talk about self-righteous self-appointed know-it-alls. Pot, kettle, meet Mr. Black. __ Always question everything. Including yourself.
Doc Punkiller Caldari Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.09.26 13:39:00 - [24] Whasn't in "Ships and modules" that people think that the raven is TEH uber and can defeat 1vs1 every other ships ? Use another dominix or a carrier.
Crom'ar Lev Minmatar OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2006.09.26 13:39:00 - [25] Originally by: Kaylana Syi You can beat a dominix 1 on 1 you just need a clue how to play the game. Prove it then noob.Post a link to a killmail where u have soloed a dominix
inSpirAcy The Solopwnmobiles	Posted - 2006.09.26 13:42:00 - [26] A Dominix can be beaten, but whether or not you're successful is largely dictated by ECM. Yours and his. Most of PvP is dictated by ECM at the moment, which is why I've hangared my PvP ships until it's fixed. Plus, it gives me a chance to pretend I'm actually good at EVE as I mash NPCs left, right and center.
Reto The Last Resort	Posted - 2006.09.26 13:44:00 - [27] Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Originally by: ian666 1, the Domi isn't carrying a Scram so you warp off if your getting owned its up to him to make sure you don't. 2, carry ECM and ECCM, break his jam and then jam him. 3, Nos in your highs and cap boosters, use your drones to take his down while u pound his ship with your spare highs. 4, Cruise Nos the Domi and stay out of his Nos range and Use your ECM to jam him, his tank will fail. There are loads of possible ways just think about it, the domi is a good ship but its far from invincible. All rubbish 1.This domi carries a scambler - it has 5 med slots remember 2.U cant jam the domi the whole fight and it locks quicker than most other bs anyway plus has superior tank in most cases. 3.I always fit cap boosters but domi will fit the same so no advantage plus drones use no cap to fire.U cannot nos someone while u r jammed 4.Exactly how can u nos him without him nossing u? Heavy nos uses a tremendous amount of pg and has little effect on a domi unless u use 4 or more and then u have very little options for other weapons. And finally can u tank 5 ogre 2s firing every 2 seconds with wrecking of 400 plus.I could not tank this damage with 86% thermal hardening. lol did u even fight a domi yet ? 1st he wont use all his meds for ecm since the tank cant be kept online without a good portion of capboosters. 2nd stay out of nos range 3rd drones do somert around 800-900dps if maxed out. there are ships which do a lot more dps than the domi. 4th a dominix is only lethal if u fight at its range, if u dont warp out when the situation is thight and if u allow drones eating u alife while trying to overwhlem the domis tank. smartbombs are ur friend here, aswell as counter ecm or using drones by urself. 5th learn to fly before posting crap on forums plz and if that didnt helps: use a domi urself and take some friends with u the next time...remeber theres no solopwnmobile. and for gods sake whats the problem there are so many ppl who cope with the sitation quite niceley but still u rable about it. btw nos and ecm will get repaired/nerfed in the upcoming patch anyway. till then u should just fly in gangs to pin down dominixes and dont try takeing on a bs on ur own since theres not only the domi who can and will kill u in a 1on1. Originally by: s4mp3r0r "Hey man, you're mom has a cruise missile".
Kery Nysell Caldari Nysell Incorporated	Posted - 2006.09.26 13:44:00 - [28] ROFL This thread is becoming one of my favourites, with our dear Ginger Magician (posting with his alt, but not welcoming alts in the thread) doing his usual trick of not bothering to think because he's upset ... Seriously man, a lot of people have given you suggestions, as you asked them, and you only dissed them ... Is this only a flamebait ?
Jet Collins Dynamic Endeavors	Posted - 2006.09.26 13:45:00 - [29] Nos/Smart Bomb Phoon!!!!! Weeeee..... I have no idea it just sounded like fun.... The idea Smart boomb all his drones than release your 5 t2 berks . And stop smart bombing of course, or t least get out of your drones range. .
Onin Ra Privateers	Posted - 2006.09.26 13:46:00 - [30] Use NanoDomi --- First pvp expirience in eve is alot like having first sex, you have absolutely no idea what you are doing, but it is exciting and one way or another its over way too fast.
Crom'ar Lev Minmatar OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2006.09.26 13:47:00 - [31] Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 26/09/2006 13:39:21 Originally by: Crom'ar Lev If u know nothing dont post.This ia thread for people who have actually soloed a few player bs not npcs.Alts not welcome. [...] And finally can u tank 5 ogre 2s firing every 2 seconds with wrecking of 400 plus.I could not tank this damage with 86% thermal hardening. I take it you DON'T frequent the FD-MLJ FFA areas on SISI much, now do you ? I'd suggest you start doing that once in a while. And YES, it is TRIVIAL to tank the raw DPS of 5x Ogre IIs from a L4 gallente BS dominix using a full passive shield setup on a scorp. AND you get better lock/ECM with it by the way. A bit harder with an armor tanked raven, that's sure. WHY DO YOU INSIST IN FLYING A RAVEN THEN, UH ? Talk about self-righteous self-appointed know-it-alls. Pot, kettle, meet Mr. Black. OK so a scorpion locks quicker than a raven? Interesting.Secondly a dominix can carry 15 heavy drones.Any skilled dominix pilot will simply change drones to those than can do most damage.Are u sure u can tank 3 diferent damage types in your scorp? And thirdly how exactly will u break the tank of the dominix with your uber damage dealing scorp that has no damage bonus whatsoever? Just give up stoopid and let the adults talk
Twilight Moon Minmatar Malicious Intentions	Posted - 2006.09.26 13:49:00 - [32] Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Just give up stoopid and let the adults talk You going to stop posting in your own thread then? ---------------- ...on the other hand using a banana might be a viable alternative. Anyone Recruiting? 8m SP PvP Character looking for a new home, for a life as a pirate. Contact Via EVE-Mail.
Malena Perpetual Dawn	Posted - 2006.09.26 13:52:00 - [33] If you are going to be such an ****** to everyone who posts and gives you suggestions...something you ASKED FOR...then why should anyone bother? Oh, yes, to conveniently give you targets for your level 5 forum flaming skill, and to demonstrate your level 4 lack of spelling and typing ability. Sheesh...don't be a ** about something you asked people to do. Man, I can't believe I just wasted 3 minutes reading this thread, and another one replying to it.
Akita T Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.09.26 13:53:00 - [34] IF you're talking about an ACTUAL domi setup YOU DO FIGHT and NOT about some illusory "but the domi I fight can also fit this and that too", then we can give you ACTUAL responses, not just rough guidelines (that you keep rejecting BTW). So unless you GIVE us ONE setup of a Dominix you ACTUALLY want to fight, and STOP changing fittings on the presumed enemy domi, then we can start having a serious talk. Oh, an ACTUAL fitting, one that... uh, you know, FITS. And works. So then we can see about what can and can't be done, and what ship/firrings to use to counter it. If not, go bleepety bleep bleep yourself. __ Always question everything. Including yourself.
Crom'ar Lev Minmatar OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2006.09.26 13:54:00 - [35] Edited by: Crom''ar Lev on 26/09/2006 13:54:48 I'll stop posting when someone gives me an idea about how to actually beat a domi and backs it up with evidence.ATM it is clear that the original premise of the thread is sadly true. And yes this may be a character that I use as an alt but being as I have the most famous as well as one of the most skilled characters in EVE avalaible to be me when hes not banned then anything would be an alt. The fact is Crom is a well skilled pilot who can solo anyone in 1v1 combat but Domis are so overpowered that u just cant win whatever u do atm.
Crom'ar Lev Minmatar OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2006.09.26 13:57:00 - [36] Originally by: Akita T IF you're talking about an ACTUAL domi setup YOU DO FIGHT and NOT about some illusory "but the domi I fight can also fit this and that too", then we can give you ACTUAL responses, not just rough guidelines (that you keep rejecting BTW). So unless you GIVE us ONE setup of a Dominix you ACTUALLY want to fight, and STOP changing fittings on the presumed enemy domi, then we can start having a serious talk. Oh, an ACTUAL fitting, one that... uh, you know, FITS. And works. So then we can see about what can and can't be done, and what ship/firrings to use to counter it. If not, go bleepety bleep bleep yourself. PWNED
Kery Nysell Caldari Nysell Incorporated	Posted - 2006.09.26 14:00:00 - [37] Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Edited by: Crom''ar Lev on 26/09/2006 13:54:48 I'll stop posting when someone gives me an idea about how to actually beat a domi and backs it up with evidence.ATM it is clear that the original premise of the thread is sadly true. And yes this may be a character that I use as an alt but being as I have the most famous as well as one of the most skilled characters in EVE avalaible to be me when hes not banned then anything would be an alt. The fact is Crom is a well skilled pilot who can solo anyone in 1v1 combat but Domis are so overpowered that u just cant win whatever u do atm. Hidden in there (and underlined by me) is probably the only reason for this thread : e-peen stroking ! ROFLMAO, my sides hurt ... BTW, I'm proud of the fact that I don't know a single thing about PvP, I just pointed out that your "smartbombs cannot be activated in Empire" is totally false, but I keep coming back for more laughs ...
Achure	Posted - 2006.09.26 14:06:00 - [38] id liek ot beat a raven in my CLOSE RANGE MEGATHRON. ever heard of JAMMING BACK or ECCM or... NOSSING THEM... pfft..... nanotyphoon scares me
Akita T Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.09.26 14:08:00 - [39] Originally by: Crom'ar Lev PWNED Uh, would that be a you pwn me or a me pwn you reply ? __ Always question everything. Including yourself.
Hugh Ruka Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.26 14:09:00 - [40] the short answer: 1 eccm, 1 sensor backup array a dominix with 3 multis and sd level 5 will have much trouble keeping a jam on you at least that was BEFORE the eccm got buffed. however you still need a bit of luck Originally by: JP Beauregard The experience with Exodus playtesting has scarred me for life. Those were bug-reports, not feature requests, you numbskulls....
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation	Posted - 2006.09.26 14:12:00 - [41] Good morning, how's the coffee? There's a reason why nos, ecm and wcs are getting "looked at". As for not being able to kill one, I don't know. Managed to bump into one with my blasterthron, classical nos-ecm-dom, and all it took was two failed jamming cycles and he was dead. Real people with some guts fly blasterdominixes, though, without jamming. Perfectly fine and more like under-powered than over-powered, in fact could use a little touch-up in the PG department. - Three years old
Nicocat Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.26 14:14:00 - [42] Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Edited by: Crom''ar Lev on 26/09/2006 13:54:48 I'll stop posting when someone gives me an idea about how to actually beat a domi and backs it up with evidence.ATM it is clear that the original premise of the thread is sadly true. And yes this may be a character that I use as an alt but being as I have the most famous as well as one of the most skilled characters in EVE avalaible to be me when hes not banned then anything would be an alt. The fact is Crom is a well skilled pilot who can solo anyone in 1v1 combat but Domis are so overpowered that u just cant win whatever u do atm. So solo a domi in your so-called "most skilled character" and shut the hell up, you rude piece of ****. But to be on topic, use a Nanophoon. Those things make Jesus go "I'm not going in there." ---------------------------- Remember, killing a Goon isn't murder. They don't have souls.
Bodhisattvas	Posted - 2006.09.26 14:14:00 - [43] Sensor Dampeners. Use a ship that locks faster. Stay out side his poor range. No more jammed, no more nos, deal with teh drones, the end. Now be Shhh
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.26 14:16:00 - [44] Give sensor damps a go. You'll love it. Another thought...a properly fitted eccm version of any battleship will give an ecm domi fits.
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.09.26 14:24:00 - [45] Originally by: Crom'ar Lev So u are fighting a dominix 1v1 how do u win? Answer:u cant QFT Scrapheap Challenge Forums - All the cool kids are doing it!
Rhuu Gallente Es and Whizz	Posted - 2006.09.26 14:30:00 - [46] Originally by: Reto 3rd drones do somert around 800-900dps if maxed out. there are ships which do a lot more dps than the domi. Only in a lesser ship, like a Moros. Dominix drones do something like 2500 dps and can take any carrier 1v1. It's just that awesome.
Sivona Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.26 14:31:00 - [47] Originally by: Crom'ar Lev but hes still better than u btw Oh Rly From a 3 cruiser + bs cruiser fight vs 4 pirate bs fight :D
Ozawi Minmatar	Posted - 2006.09.26 14:34:00 - [48] Originally by: Kery Nysell Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Edited by: Crom''ar Lev on 26/09/2006 13:54:48 I'll stop posting when someone gives me an idea about how to actually beat a domi and backs it up with evidence.ATM it is clear that the original premise of the thread is sadly true. And yes this may be a character that I use as an alt but being as I have the most famous as well as one of the most skilled characters in EVE avalaible to be me when hes not banned then anything would be an alt. The fact is Crom is a well skilled pilot who can solo anyone in 1v1 combat but Domis are so overpowered that u just cant win whatever u do atm. Hidden in there (and underlined by me) is probably the only reason for this thread : e-peen stroking ! ROFLMAO, my sides hurt ... BTW, I'm proud of the fact that I don't know a single thing about PvP, I just pointed out that your "smartbombs cannot be activated in Empire" is totally false, but I keep coming back for more laughs ... Heheh, yeah. Most famous - I've spent hours on these forums every day at the office for the last five weeks, first I've heard of the kid. I'm guessing maybe he's well-known at the local mall maybe? And I'm a less than one million SP newbie, and I know you can activate smartbombs in high sec, just have to keep your head out of your a when you do it. But head-in-a is what this thread is all about, isn't it? ------------------------------------------------ This sig is mine. There are others like it, but this one is mine alone. Mods keep out, or I will drop trou and sprinkle some tinkle in your Cheerios! -I don't eat Cheerios. -ReverendM
EllieBean Caldari Digital Fury Corporation	Posted - 2006.09.26 14:35:00 - [49] A couple of possibilities: Curse with two nos two neuts and a load of sensor damps and cap injector arbiting at 17km. I think 3 sensor damps will take a domi below 17km range. MWD probably needed so the domi cant gain on you. Your cap should be able to hold aslong as you turn the neuts off when the target aint got cap left. Gallente recon, use something similar to make locking range below your orbit and just keep at it until his tank fails. Neither of these two will be fast but a good possibility of working.
Crom'ar Lev Minmatar OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2006.09.26 14:35:00 - [50] Originally by: jamesw Edited by: jamesw on 26/09/2006 13:27:18 I agree with the original poster, but its been that way for 2 years. Yes I know that but I have not posted before because I have maxed skills on GM for gallente bs and drones and thought I should enjoy the benefits of this overpowerment for a while. But nevertheless my main concern is the see balance and fairness in the game and the time has come to reveal the obvious inbalance in tech 2 drones and dominixes.Hopefully Kali will bring about some more balance in this area
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.26 14:36:00 - [51] ECM scorp, keep it jammed and no drones go after you. Smartbombs also ruin their day.
Crom'ar Lev Minmatar OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2006.09.26 14:40:00 - [52] Originally by: Sivona Originally by: Crom'ar Lev but hes still better than u btw Oh Rly From a 3 cruiser + bs cruiser fight vs 4 pirate bs fight :D Wow u killed Ginger with a faction and 3 other tech 2 fitted ships while jamming him at the same time.Congratulations.The superior pvp and blobbing skils of the Mercenary Coalition is proved once more. And for anothr thing I only warped in and engaged u because I was trying to rescue my corpmate who had stupidly got himself scrambled despite being aligned and at full speed. The only reason u got those kills was due to lag and u know it.
Crom'ar Lev Minmatar OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2006.09.26 14:45:00 - [53] Originally by: EllieBean A couple of possibilities: Curse with two nos two neuts and a load of sensor damps and cap injector arbiting at 17km. I think 3 sensor damps will take a domi below 17km range. MWD probably needed so the domi cant gain on you. Your cap should be able to hold aslong as you turn the neuts off when the target aint got cap left. Gallente recon, use something similar to make locking range below your orbit and just keep at it until his tank fails. Neither of these two will be fast but a good possibility of working. Newbies shouldnt post another classic example here. So enlighten us all while u are orbiting at 17km in your curse how exactly are u going to tank 5 tech 2 heavy drones?
Burlock Ironfist Celtic Anarchy Black Reign Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.26 14:48:00 - [54] Ginger the reason why people dont talk to you with respect is that you dont give out any its a 2 way deal here. I have seen many valid suggestion that you have only responded to in a imature manner. Nos and ECM is being looked at so we know they are overpowered. Its funny you complain about them yet are happy to use the setup yourself. We get the idea you think that this domi setup is unfair, but dont voice it in a way that make you sound like you want people to suggest setups, when you obviously dont. BOOBIES!
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.26 14:48:00 - [55] Edited by: Garreck on 26/09/2006 14:49:02 Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Newbies shouldnt post another classic example here. So enlighten us all while u are orbiting at 17km in your curse how exactly are u going to tank 5 tech 2 heavy drones? edit Eep. Just realized the fella above was talking about a gallente recon...which is indeed ****e at tanking.
TheEndofTheWorld	Posted - 2006.09.26 14:49:00 - [56] Try ecm drones. Those might give him a bad time as he can't use himself. Domi dps = ~450 OGRE2 -> THERMAL only DPS lowers as you use kinetic, exp and em drones. For example berserkers 2s do 350 dps: XL2 + SBA + 2 invul field -> EXP ~80%, THERMAL ~60%, + 156 rep/s = you can tank both for reasonable time 2 LAR2 + 2 eanm + dc -> Thermal ~67%, EXP ~55%, + 141 rep/s tanks = you can tank both for reasonable time For example if you engage 1v1 domi at a gate just aggro him and see how good he is, if you see t2 heavys just deagress and jump through/mwd out of scramble range. Please don't nerf domi, but once we get ecm and nosf nerf I see Domi becaming the least used t1 BS in pvp Some +'s for domi 1) Great tank 2) great for 1v1, small gang Some other -'s for domi: 1) not gooed enough grid to fit Large Hybrids 2) 5 meds slots => not enough slots to go cap booster, mwd, web, warp distruptor AND ecm(NO, 1 multispec DOES NOT PERMAJAM BSes), so it means it has to choose either: Can't go regular with regular blaster meds as it would be worse than Megathorn, so it goes max 4-5 multispec 2, 1 no cap booster to run 2 LAR2 + ECM better, no mobility 3) Bad in larger gangs(heard something good about sentries, but that would has many downsides too) due to drone travel time. 4) Forced to use heavy drones => no antifrig drones, no ecm drones etc
Miklas Laces A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A	Posted - 2006.09.26 14:53:00 - [57] Edited by: Miklas Laces on 26/09/2006 14:53:51 Assuming typical Vampdomi setup (Nos, ecm, tank, heavy drones): 1) DPS of a Vampdomi is average at best. With bs5 and tech2 drones (=20m sp char) it does around 400hp/s. People playing for less than 1 year will probably have bs4, drone-interfacing4 and use Ogre I, which means less than 300hp/s. Any Bs can outdamage that easily. 2) The Domi usually can't fit more than 3x Heavy Nos, so try to stay out of Med Nos range. Even if you are at very close range, a single cap booster will compensate for the Domi's Nos. 3) If you don't want to get jammed, fit ECCM and put 5 ECM drones (2 large, 3 med) into your Raven's drone bay. In short: Vampdomi sacrifies all its high slots for Nos, which you can counter with a single cap booster, and therefore has a crappy DPS. All you have to do is keep your lock and shoot. Even if you "waste" one slot for an ECCM your DPS and Tank will probably be enough for a fair fight. And use your dronebay.
Sivona Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.26 14:54:00 - [58] Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Originally by: Sivona Originally by: Crom'ar Lev but hes still better than u btw Oh Rly From a 3 cruiser + bs cruiser fight vs 4 pirate bs fight :D Wow u killed Ginger with a faction and 3 other tech 2 fitted ships while jamming him at the same time.Congratulations.The superior pvp and blobbing skils of the Mercenary Coalition is proved once more. And for anothr thing I only warped in and engaged u because I was trying to rescue my corpmate who had stupidly got himself scrambled despite being aligned and at full speed. The only reason u got those kills was due to lag and u know it. There was no lag, there were no invincible assault ships, there were no warp disrupting torpedo's, there were no invincible domi's. There were 4 pirate BS's close range fitted 180km off the gate which warped to each other, feel free to look them up killed within 4 minutes of each other. So maybe you wern't working together and just happened to be ganged and just happened to have the close raneg fittings on waiting for us? The fight was a 4 vs 4 with you in close range BS and us in a bs and 3 cruisers, how exactly do we avoid your definition of blobbing you - do we need to turn up in shuttles? Its odd you blaim the lag now, when we didn't get any and you didn't mention it at the time. Or is it just time to admit you setup a trap, we took the bait and kicked you into the middle of next week?
EllieBean Caldari Digital Fury Corporation	Posted - 2006.09.26 14:56:00 - [59] Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Originally by: EllieBean A couple of possibilities: Curse with two nos two neuts and a load of sensor damps and cap injector arbiting at 17km. I think 3 sensor damps will take a domi below 17km range. MWD probably needed so the domi cant gain on you. Your cap should be able to hold aslong as you turn the neuts off when the target aint got cap left. Gallente recon, use something similar to make locking range below your orbit and just keep at it until his tank fails. Neither of these two will be fast but a good possibility of working. Newbies shouldnt post another classic example here. So enlighten us all while u are orbiting at 17km in your curse how exactly are u going to tank 5 tech 2 heavy drones? Dual rep? ECM yourself ( especially effective with the damps increasing lock time )? As you have pointed out in all your previous threads one of the problems you have is the domi locking first. A recon will lock first and the damps and ECM will make it incredible hard to regain a lock. If drones do get launched b4 you get a chance to jam 5 T2 mediums will eat ogres fairly fast. Also a the dual rep should tank it while you do.
Crom'ar Lev Minmatar OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2006.09.26 14:57:00 - [60] Originally by: TheEndofTheWorld Try ecm drones. Those might give him a bad time as he can't use himself. Domi dps = ~450 OGRE2 -> THERMAL only DPS lowers as you use kinetic, exp and em drones. For example berserkers 2s do 350 dps: XL2 + SBA + 2 invul field -> EXP ~80%, THERMAL ~60%, + 156 rep/s = you can tank both for reasonable time 2 LAR2 + 2 eanm + dc -> Thermal ~67%, EXP ~55%, + 141 rep/s tanks = you can tank both for reasonable time For example if you engage 1v1 domi at a gate just aggro him and see how good he is, if you see t2 heavys just deagress and jump through/mwd out of scramble range. Please don't nerf domi, but once we get ecm and nosf nerf I see Domi becaming the least used t1 BS in pvp Some +'s for domi 1) Great tank 2) great for 1v1, small gang Some other -'s for domi: 1) not gooed enough grid to fit Large Hybrids 2) 5 meds slots => not enough slots to go cap booster, mwd, web, warp distruptor AND ecm(NO, 1 multispec DOES NOT PERMAJAM BSes), so it means it has to choose either: Can't go regular with regular blaster meds as it would be worse than Megathorn, so it goes max 4-5 multispec 2, 1 no cap booster to run 2 LAR2 + ECM better, no mobility 3) Bad in larger gangs(heard something good about sentries, but that would has many downsides too) due to drone travel time. 4) Forced to use heavy drones => no antifrig drones, no ecm drones etc If u posted with your main I might look at your suggestions.As it is I can see at a glance that you are an alt of a domi pilot praying to God that drones will not be nerfed and your iwin button wont be taken away. The fight I am reffering to featured 5 ogres 2s attacking me.I was in an armor tanked ecm raven with 86% thermal resitance to armor.With this resitance and large armor repper my ship fell into structure inside 2 minutes and I escaped with 689 out of 8k hull thx to my best named damage control which kept me alive until I could jump through the gate as I was scrambled and had no stabs.
jamesw Omniscient Order	Posted - 2006.09.26 15:00:00 - [61] with only one large repper you will always fail when faced with a competent opponent. -- NEW Vid: Domi For the Win!
Rehmes	Posted - 2006.09.26 15:01:00 - [62] Edited by: Rehmes on 26/09/2006 15:02:30 I suppose a Nanophoon could pose a good challenge to the domi. Its too fast for the hvy drones to catch it and ofc u have ur own drones/torps/nos to take it down. Btw main issue the only time the domi becomes deadly is when u play right into its range. Since uve been around for years u already know the raven is mainly a long range ship (even though missles dont have those restrictions w/e). The domi is itself mianly a close range bs, so if u wanna beat it u have to look into how to counteract his set up. Sensor back ups help, racial ecm/eccm will negate his attempts for the most part. Ur drones should be used to kill his; the domi dps is quite low w/o its drones, so try to simply have to dictate range and concentrate killing his drones w urs while u blast him with ur guns. ECM is chance based as u already know and in those circumstances even the domi can fall to a stupid pilot who simply got lucky. Perhaps u simply got the short end of the stick in that fight.
Laocoon Veto.	Posted - 2006.09.26 15:01:00 - [63] Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Originally by: Jim McGregor Ecm armortanking raven can beat the dominix. The other battleships in the game can warp home without even trying. This is the ship I was trying to kill domi with. replace some stabs with with BCUs k? - Lao Veto. Corp
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.26 15:02:00 - [64] Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Newbies shouldnt post another classic example here. So enlighten us all while u are orbiting at 17km in your curse how exactly are u going to tank 5 tech 2 heavy drones? Guess you are only "most skilled" by SPs cause you cant use brain at all. Ever heard of speed tanks? Check speed on MWDing curse and MWDing Ogre2. And another hint: curse can happily orbit at over 20km with shadow serp scrammer (it doesnt cost much - got 2 of em 30mil a piece already). But OMG DOMI IS INVINCIBLE !!!!111ONEONE So use one yourself and buzz off. KKthxbye. Ah - and dont whine back when other ship will own you in 1v1.
Crom'ar Lev Minmatar OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2006.09.26 15:08:00 - [65] Originally by: Sivona Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Originally by: Sivona Originally by: Crom'ar Lev but hes still better than u btw Oh Rly From a 3 cruiser + bs cruiser fight vs 4 pirate bs fight :D Wow u killed Ginger with a faction and 3 other tech 2 fitted ships while jamming him at the same time.Congratulations.The superior pvp and blobbing skils of the Mercenary Coalition is proved once more. And for anothr thing I only warped in and engaged u because I was trying to rescue my corpmate who had stupidly got himself scrambled despite being aligned and at full speed. The only reason u got those kills was due to lag and u know it. There was no lag, there were no invincible assault ships, there were no warp disrupting torpedo's, there were no invincible domi's. There were 4 pirate BS's close range fitted 180km off the gate which warped to each other, feel free to look them up killed within 4 minutes of each other. So maybe you wern't working together and just happened to be ganged and just happened to have the close raneg fittings on waiting for us? The fight was a 4 vs 4 with you in close range BS and us in a bs and 3 cruisers, how exactly do we avoid your definition of blobbing you - do we need to turn up in shuttles? Its odd you blaim the lag now, when we didn't get any and you didn't mention it at the time. Or is it just time to admit you setup a trap, we took the bait and kicked you into the middle of next week? U killed Ginger and all the other bs 4v1 cause of lag and us not warping in together. Admitedly was not our finest hour but a fair 4v4 fight without lag would have seen a very differnt result.Please come back when his highness is back btw.Maybe when server is sorted out too:)
DANGEROUS Black Lance Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.09.26 15:09:00 - [66] a phoon would pwn a domi with setup as descibed , - but i am BUGGERED if i am going to give u the spec!!!
Al Haquis Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.26 15:16:00 - [67] HAHAHAHHAHAHHA LOL this thread and GM you sux so go back to your hole. With love from Al Haquis. And people please stop making sensible sugestions to this fool he might actually learn something.
XyzzyX ORB enterprises	Posted - 2006.09.26 15:24:00 - [68] I'm carebeer (gallante and mini ships) with little pvp expiriences but here are some theoretical calculations (i lkie quick fit and excel) T2 ogres: 269x1,5x1,25 shields: 2 blast from large smartbomb 576x1,5x1,25 armor: 4-6 blasts from large smartbomb (depends on dmg type) no idea how many HP: 2 blasts from large smartbomb Overall:8-10 blasts from smartbombs So if you fit two smartbombs on your free high slots on raven after 30-40s first wave of ogres will be dead. What should dominix pilot do? Send another wawe and lost another 3 mlns ISKs? Even if your cap will be empty becouse of noses you can save some capboosters and inject them when drones will come to you..... Situation on gate is more complicated becouse of sentries/concord :). Which way are you going to nerf drones? Whitout ship bonus their dmg and hp even T2 is rather weak ...
DarkElf Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.09.26 15:24:00 - [69] Can't be bothered reading every post on this thread but my answer is Ishtar - passive shield tank let him nos u dry and watch his tank break and urs stays strong. both do about as much dmg as each other so ishtar wins. i can personally vouch for this. DE
TheEndofTheWorld	Posted - 2006.09.26 15:25:00 - [70] Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Originally by: TheEndofTheWorld Try ecm drones. Those might give him a bad time as he can't use himself. Domi dps = ~450 OGRE2 -> THERMAL only DPS lowers as you use kinetic, exp and em drones. For example berserkers 2s do 350 dps: XL2 + SBA + 2 invul field -> EXP ~80%, THERMAL ~60%, + 156 rep/s = you can tank both for reasonable time 2 LAR2 + 2 eanm + dc -> Thermal ~67%, EXP ~55%, + 141 rep/s tanks = you can tank both for reasonable time For example if you engage 1v1 domi at a gate just aggro him and see how good he is, if you see t2 heavys just deagress and jump through/mwd out of scramble range. Please don't nerf domi, but once we get ecm and nosf nerf I see Domi becaming the least used t1 BS in pvp Some +'s for domi 1) Great tank 2) great for 1v1, small gang Some other -'s for domi: 1) not gooed enough grid to fit Large Hybrids 2) 5 meds slots => not enough slots to go cap booster, mwd, web, warp distruptor AND ecm(NO, 1 multispec DOES NOT PERMAJAM BSes), so it means it has to choose either: Can't go regular with regular blaster meds as it would be worse than Megathorn, so it goes max 4-5 multispec 2, 1 no cap booster to run 2 LAR2 + ECM better, no mobility 3) Bad in larger gangs(heard something good about sentries, but that would has many downsides too) due to drone travel time. 4) Forced to use heavy drones => no antifrig drones, no ecm drones etc If u posted with your main I might look at your suggestions.As it is I can see at a glance that you are an alt of a domi pilot praying to God that drones will not be nerfed and your iwin button wont be taken away. The fight I am reffering to featured 5 ogres 2s attacking me.I was in an armor tanked ecm raven with 86% thermal resitance to armor.With this resitance and large armor repper my ship fell into structure inside 2 minutes and I escaped with 689 out of 8k hull thx to my best named damage control which kept me alive until I could jump through the gate as I was scrambled and had no stabs. So, you just want to whine? LAR2 -> 71 rep/s + 86% resist + 5 x ogre 2 = 450 dps <- but that together and you get permatank (assuming domi doesn't do much dmg with anything else) Armor tank -> You had ecm? How did he permajam you? Was he expecting you to attack him in raven(maybe he fitted 4 caldari racials) as it seems you were expecting him to attack you. You have a whole 6 meds, 5 lows, 8 highs, 75m3 of dronebay to think a perfect counter-setup.
Vicious Phoenix	Posted - 2006.09.26 15:27:00 - [71] The Dominix isn't what's broken here. The ECM however, that needs fixed. CFW (Certified Forum Warrior) I kill people ingame too.
Shamis Orzoz SniggWaffe	Posted - 2006.09.26 15:30:00 - [72] 1 vaga wins against 1 domi.
Blind Man Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.09.26 15:30:00 - [73] Edited by: Blind Man on 26/09/2006 15:30:04 gank them and accept you really wont beat one 1v1 Originally by: Vicious Phoenix The Dominix isn't what's broken here. The ECM however, that needs fixed. yep
Vincent Almasy	Posted - 2006.09.26 15:39:00 - [74] Originally by: Crom'ar Lev So u are fighting a dominix 1v1 how do u win? Answer:u cant Tech 2 drones maxed gallente bs skills plsu 5 med slots free for ecm A tremendous tank even if u can get a lock - carrying multiple drones so can change damage types.In 1v1 this ship is unbeatable and it is ridiculous.Remove or nerf drones - automatic bull** should not be the uber. Any suggestions on how to beat a domi in 1v1 welcome - I look forward to knocking them all down. This is a bore to read really.. if you wanna see a domi geting his a handed to him check this video out: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=383813 it shows a domi being likked at 10:30 of the film running. you wanted to see a domi killed right, here it is, and it's one on one aswell. From the level of kill from the pilot you decribe his skills are high if not maxed in all departments, so you would need simular time in other skills to do this, I have seen a few ships take out a domi focuing at close range high dps shells seeminingly target painter and webber to get prime shots each time aswell as the painter boosting the drone damage, anyways if the domi pilot was as you said he could of had 10 drones in the air if he was smart about it..
Deva Blackfire DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.26 15:44:00 - [75] And btw - 1v1 vs domi and you never seen it? Check out Wave of Mutilation 2. Have fun.
Twilight Moon Minmatar Malicious Intentions	Posted - 2006.09.26 15:51:00 - [76] Sure....its all in the new "hidden" bonuses that the Dominix got in Blood patch: 200% bonus to Locking time when targeting Ginger Magician. +500% to Heavy T2 Ogre Drone damage when fighting Ginger Magician. 1000% Effectiveness to ECM Jam Cycles when Jamming Ginger Magician. Also, when a Dominix is being fitted for the purpose of fighting Ginger Magician solo 1vs1, its slot layout magically becomes 8,8,8. ---------------- ...on the other hand using a banana might be a viable alternative. Anyone Recruiting? 8m SP PvP Character looking for a new home, for a life as a pirate. Contact Via EVE-Mail.
Kaiu Hinkledolph and K Associates The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.09.26 16:09:00 - [77] mwd shield tanked blaster domi? ____________________ MOGarmy
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.09.26 16:10:00 - [78] Originally by: Onin Ra Use NanoDomi Nanophoon you mean /e*** ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever**
Crom'ar Lev Minmatar OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2006.09.26 16:27:00 - [79] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz 1 vaga wins against 1 domi. Post your killmail where 1 vaga has soloed a domi. Plus if a normal tech 1 bs at a cost of 60mill can only be defeated 1v1 by a 280mill hac then something is wrong somewhere.
Crom'ar Lev Minmatar OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2006.09.26 16:30:00 - [80] Originally by: XyzzyX I'm carebeer (gallante and mini ships) with little pvp expiriences but here are some theoretical calculations (i lkie quick fit and excel) T2 ogres: 269x1,5x1,25 shields: 2 blast from large smartbomb 576x1,5x1,25 armor: 4-6 blasts from large smartbomb (depends on dmg type) no idea how many HP: 2 blasts from large smartbomb Overall:8-10 blasts from smartbombs So if you fit two smartbombs on your free high slots on raven after 30-40s first wave of ogres will be dead. What should dominix pilot do? Send another wawe and lost another 3 mlns ISKs? Even if your cap will be empty becouse of noses you can save some capboosters and inject them when drones will come to you..... Situation on gate is more complicated becouse of sentries/concord :). Which way are you going to nerf drones? Whitout ship bonus their dmg and hp even T2 is rather weak ... Please dont post any more.You are only embarassing yourself. And plz try fighting a domi with 2 large smartbombs in empire. Let me know how u get on
Crom'ar Lev Minmatar OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2006.09.26 16:34:00 - [81] Originally by: DANGEROUS a phoon would pwn a domi with setup as descibed , - but i am BUGGERED if i am going to give u the spec!!! When I want a setup to pwn complex npcs I'll be sure to give u a call.
Bazman Caldari The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2006.09.26 16:34:00 - [82] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz 1 vaga wins against 1 domi. Tbh, only if the Dominix pilot is a dumbass :P Nos/EW Dominix is virtually unbeatable in a 1v1. Thats why I fly dual 250's and BlasterDom's, it gives your opponent a (slight) chance :P ----- Hi TUXFORD! Blasterboat for tier 3 Gallente battleship please! Make it look cool too. Thanks. I am a Gallente Whiner. Minmatar Whining is currently in training.
xeom Veto.	Posted - 2006.09.26 16:48:00 - [83] Come on guys the domi is fine how it is! --- CCP where are our t2 shield power relays? "Those nuclear missiles are for domestic heating."-Scagga
XyzzyX ORB enterprises	Posted - 2006.09.26 16:55:00 - [84] Edited by: XyzzyX on 26/09/2006 16:55:38 Huh what are you going to prove me? Show mistakes in my calculations... This is not solution for Jita's gates.... Please show us your solution to nefr dominix without makeing it useless. I'm glad that you don't have any impact on ships statistics ........ I consider our discution is over.
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2006.09.26 17:05:00 - [85] What happens if a Dominix fights a Dominix 1v1 then? Stalemate? Server explodes? Terribly argued posts get proved wrong? Inquiring minds want to know.
Vincent Almasy	Posted - 2006.09.26 17:07:00 - [86] the domi is far from invincible, any ship wish a great pilot can seem un beatable to those who have less skill and much less experience in PVP it's not the ship it's the pilot that's the threat.. don't you guys see that by now?
Constantine Arcanum Gallente IMPERIAL SENATE Pure.	Posted - 2006.09.26 17:08:00 - [87] Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Edited by: Crom''ar Lev on 26/09/2006 13:54:48 I'll stop posting when someone gives me an idea about how to actually beat a domi and backs it up with evidence.ATM it is clear that the original premise of the thread is sadly true. And yes this may be a character that I use as an alt but being as I have the most famous as well as one of the most skilled characters in EVE avalaible to be me when hes not banned then anything would be an alt. The fact is Crom is a well skilled pilot who can solo anyone in 1v1 combat but Domis are so overpowered that u just cant win whatever u do atm. Here you go TBH Istvaan Shogaatsu is the most famous thanks to PC Gamer, and acts much more pleasantly about it I helped - Cortes What a shiny and lovely place here - Eshtir Well lets make it a party atleast :D -Xorus RAWWWR!11!!1!2 SIG HIJACK!!11!1 I found it first, get orrrfff moiiii laaannnd - Cortes
Nuances	Posted - 2006.09.26 17:11:00 - [88] Ginger Magician? Wasn't he the pinnochio who gets rammed by every Dominix he meets?
Constantine Arcanum Gallente IMPERIAL SENATE Pure.	Posted - 2006.09.26 17:13:00 - [89] Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Originally by: XyzzyX I'm carebeer (gallante and mini ships) with little pvp expiriences but here are some theoretical calculations (i lkie quick fit and excel) T2 ogres: 269x1,5x1,25 shields: 2 blast from large smartbomb 576x1,5x1,25 armor: 4-6 blasts from large smartbomb (depends on dmg type) no idea how many HP: 2 blasts from large smartbomb Overall:8-10 blasts from smartbombs So if you fit two smartbombs on your free high slots on raven after 30-40s first wave of ogres will be dead. What should dominix pilot do? Send another wawe and lost another 3 mlns ISKs? Even if your cap will be empty becouse of noses you can save some capboosters and inject them when drones will come to you..... Situation on gate is more complicated becouse of sentries/concord :). Which way are you going to nerf drones? Whitout ship bonus their dmg and hp even T2 is rather weak ... Please dont post any more.You are only embarassing yourself. And plz try fighting a domi with 2 large smartbombs in empire. Let me know how u get on BTW he pointed out he was a carebear and didn't know much about PVP... He made a suggestion and you shat all over him ... think it says a lot about the person behind ginger... I helped - Cortes What a shiny and lovely place here - Eshtir Well lets make it a party atleast :D -Xorus RAWWWR!11!!1!2 SIG HIJACK!!11!1 I found it first, get orrrfff moiiii laaannnd - Cortes
Gabriel Karade Office linebackers Blood of the Innocents	Posted - 2006.09.26 17:19:00 - [90] It's a shame there is a valid concern, just the OP got it wrong, drones are fine and most certainly do not warrant 'nerfing'. ECM/Nos are however, a bit too potent at the moment. As to the 'invincible Dominix', well sure it has 5 mid slots, but it realistically needs web/scram to hold anything in place, a cap injector is desirable to run a 'big' tank, an AB or MWD desirable for range control, and it really needs at least 3x ECM to ensure good success with jamming. Clearly something has to give, and if it can't keep a target immobilised place - it can't win. I'm in no way saying it's not out of place w.r.t other Battleships - it is, but that's largely down to its ability against smaller ships, and doesn't make it 'invincible' In short; it's a tough ship, and does need the ECM/Nosferatu changes to knock it a bit into line, but not through nerfing drones. Dead domi Dead domi Dead domi (Apoc and My blaster-domi vs. two Nos-domis) ---------- - Office Linebacker -
Zemeckis R	Posted - 2006.09.26 17:23:00 - [91] Edited by: Zemeckis R on 26/09/2006 17:26:23 drones are the only weapon in the game that can be destroyed: dominix without drones = death dominix about ecm: nobody complain about scorpion and it have 8 medium slots and his weapons cannot be destroyed (you are jammed and can do completly nothing) and anyway drones aren't overpowered, considering ALL the skills required to use them and fly a domi properly
Zemeckis R	Posted - 2006.09.26 17:25:00 - [92] Originally by: Gabriel Karade It's a shame there is a valid concern, just the OP got it wrong, drones are fine and most certainly do not warrant 'nerfing'. ECM/Nos are however, a bit too potent at the moment. As to the 'invincible Dominix', well sure it has 5 mid slots, but it realistically needs web/scram to hold anything in place, a cap injector is desirable to run a 'big' tank, an AB or MWD desirable for range control, and it really needs at least 3x ECM to ensure good success with jamming. Clearly something has to give, and if it can't keep a target immobilised place - it can't win. I'm in no way saying it's not out of place w.r.t other Battleships - it is, but that's largely down to its ability against smaller ships, and doesn't make it 'invincible' In short; it's a tough ship, and does need the ECM/Nosferatu changes to knock it a bit into line, but not through nerfing drones. Dead domi Dead domi Dead domi (Apoc and My blaster-domi vs. two Nos-domis) 100% true
Trev Kachanov Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.26 17:29:00 - [93] Originally by: Kery Nysell Originally by: Crom'ar Lev 2. Smartbombs cannot be activated in empire Nice one, but totally false ... you CAN activate smartbombs in Empire, you just have to avoid nailing Concord/NPCs/innocent bystanders with your damage sphere ... not too hard, since those things don't have a tremendous range ... Of course, if you sit on a gate waiting for something to pie-rat, you will nail the gate, and subsequently get CONCORDOKKED ... too bad. it wont let you activate a smartbomb within 5km of any gate, anywhere
Kunming Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.09.26 17:29:00 - [94] Oh now "the drones" are overpowered, as if the NOS nerf wasnt enough, learn to play noob.. yes cause thats what you are. There are many ships ineffected by NOS, which can passive tank, or simply stay out of NOS range, or "oh noes!" fit a jammer or ECCM it self.
xenodia Gallente Black Omega Security E.R.A	Posted - 2006.09.26 17:29:00 - [95] Originally by: Crom'ar Lev So u are fighting a dominix 1v1 how do u win? Answer:u cant Tech 2 drones maxed gallente bs skills plsu 5 med slots free for ecm A tremendous tank even if u can get a lock - carrying multiple drones so can change damage types.In 1v1 this ship is unbeatable and it is ridiculous.Remove or nerf drones - automatic bull**** should not be the uber. Any suggestions on how to beat a domi in 1v1 welcome - I look forward to knocking them all down. So, what youre really saying... Domi with maxed skills > other battleships with craptastic skills. And this is a surprise ? Its funny how back in the day people used to laugh at domi pilots... until the vampadomi became popular. Now all they do is whine about how overpowered the domi is. The domi itself hasnt really changed substantially from what it was back then. Sure, the drones are individually more powerful now, but you can only field 1/3 as many. Net damage isnt much different. ECM has changed, but with the recent changes to ECCM and backup arrays, jamming with multispecs on a gallente ship is far from a guaranteed thing. Bottom line is, you probably got pwned by a more skilled pilot. Accept it and move on with life. The problem isnt with your ship, its with you.
Lienzo	Posted - 2006.09.26 17:31:00 - [96] Try a Celestis.
Crom'ar Lev Minmatar OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2006.09.26 18:10:00 - [97] Try reading what I posted.NOsferatu may be overpwoered but its the damge of drones that is the problem.This damage at maxed skills is absolutely overpowering and cannot be tanked.Jamming will not stop drones from hitting u and to totally disable a domi u must destroy 15 heavy drones with probably at least 20% more than normal hitpoints due to drone durablity skill.It is a physical impossibilty that you could lock 15 drones and destroy them before your own ship is destroyed.And smartbombs will almost instantly drain your cap as well as their uselessness in empire space. Like I said I had tanking of 86% to themal and I stil couldnt tank the damage.I dont claim that Crom'ar is the best pvp pilot in the universe but I realy dont see how even someone like Ginger can win against similar skilled pilots flying a dominix. The drones do a ridiculous amount of damage which cant be tanked and the damage needed to break the tank of a dominix even assuming u are not jammed is tremendous and as most battleships cannot both extreme tank as well as extreme damage u cant win. I actually lost a fight using a close range megathron on Ginger to a player of less than 1 year old which I talk about in my interview who uses a nos domi on me.
Guillame Herschel Gallente Cheers Restaurant and Bar Nova Republic	Posted - 2006.09.26 18:31:00 - [98] Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 26/09/2006 18:32:43 Originally by: Crom'ar Lev All rubbish Did you want advice or did you just want to ridicule anyone who dared give it? Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Like I said I had tanking of 86% to themal Then skill up some more. 86% is crappy. -- Guile can always trump hardware --
Isonkon Serikain Gallente Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.09.26 18:32:00 - [99] Edited by: Isonkon Serikain on 26/09/2006 18:35:12 Originally by: Vicious Phoenix The Dominix isn't what's broken here. The ECM however, that needs fixed. So, so wrong... Why nerf an item that all ships can use (ecm) to balance the overpowered Dominix? Cut drone HP so that they can be killed in 3-4 smartbomb blasts and voila... Dominix now has a weakness... He won't be able to rely solely on drones for his damage and thus won't be able to fit all nos in highs, and won't be able to run that insane tank because of it... It's the drones that are overpowered... Either reduce their hp or cut their dps... Try killing t2 heavies with a smartbomb now... jokers... Pity the fool
Isonkon Serikain Gallente Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.09.26 18:39:00 - [100] Originally by: Zemeckis R Edited by: Zemeckis R on 26/09/2006 17:26:23 drones are the only weapon in the game that can be destroyed: dominix without drones = death dominix about ecm: nobody complain about scorpion and it have 8 medium slots and his weapons cannot be destroyed (you are jammed and can do completly nothing) and anyway drones aren't overpowered, considering ALL the skills required to use them and fly a domi properly Wrong again... so what, it takes 3 million sp in drones to get insane damage from them? Do you know how much more it takes to fly a good minmatar BS? Domi is the easy pwnmobile at the moment... It would take me a month to kick ass with it, and I only have 1.5 million in drones and gallente bs 3... To get similar damage and versatility using other race's ships i'd have too... well, I couldn't at all... Pity the fool
Vicious Phoenix	Posted - 2006.09.26 18:42:00 - [101] Originally by: Isonkon Serikain Originally by: Zemeckis R Edited by: Zemeckis R on 26/09/2006 17:26:23 drones are the only weapon in the game that can be destroyed: dominix without drones = death dominix about ecm: nobody complain about scorpion and it have 8 medium slots and his weapons cannot be destroyed (you are jammed and can do completly nothing) and anyway drones aren't overpowered, considering ALL the skills required to use them and fly a domi properly Wrong again... so what, it takes 3 million sp in drones to get insane damage from them? Do you know how much more it takes to fly a good minmatar BS? Domi is the easy pwnmobile at the moment... It would take me a month to kick ass with it, and I only have 1.5 million in drones and gallente bs 3... To get similar damage and versatility using other race's ships i'd have too... well, I couldn't at all... Except that you can fly a Raven decently with 3 million SP total CFW (Certified Forum Warrior) I kill people ingame too.
Isonkon Serikain Gallente Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.09.26 18:47:00 - [102] I guess your standards for decent are pretty low... And in any case I'd still bet on the domi pilot with 3m sp... Pity the fool
Kaylana Syi Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.09.26 18:59:00 - [103] Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Originally by: Kaylana Syi You can beat a dominix 1 on 1 you just need a clue how to play the game. Prove it then noob.Post a link to a killmail where u have soloed a dominix You are the reason why these forums suck. Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
Kaylana Syi Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.09.26 19:01:00 - [104] Originally by: Vicious Phoenix Originally by: Isonkon Serikain Originally by: Zemeckis R Edited by: Zemeckis R on 26/09/2006 17:26:23 drones are the only weapon in the game that can be destroyed: dominix without drones = death dominix about ecm: nobody complain about scorpion and it have 8 medium slots and his weapons cannot be destroyed (you are jammed and can do completly nothing) and anyway drones aren't overpowered, considering ALL the skills required to use them and fly a domi properly Wrong again... so what, it takes 3 million sp in drones to get insane damage from them? Do you know how much more it takes to fly a good minmatar BS? Domi is the easy pwnmobile at the moment... It would take me a month to kick ass with it, and I only have 1.5 million in drones and gallente bs 3... To get similar damage and versatility using other race's ships i'd have too... well, I couldn't at all... Except that you can fly a Raven decently with 3 million SP total No... you can NPC in a raven with 3mil SP. It will be outclassed every time in PvP vs a Pilot that has more overal SP. Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
Car Wars adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.09.26 19:07:00 - [105] Beat a 3x ecm domi with: blasterthron with: high: 7x neutron blasters with void L. med slot: heavy cap booster, 1 sensorbooster II, warp scram, mwd low: 1x eccm, 2x 1600 plates(or one damage control), 3x damage mods, large rep. drones: 5x heavy ecm drones. 1000 dps, which beats his drones and his tank -> domi to the shredder. Dont complain about overpowered ships, some people have awesome skills and hence are uber. Just find a way to counter it. It can always be done.
xeom Veto.	Posted - 2006.09.26 19:09:00 - [106] Its true a phoon can kill a domi if you fit 2 multi specs in you mids.And then a MWD + Disrupter. But without using more ECM the only ship i think that acctualy stands a chance against it is the megathron.Its probably the only ship with enough gank that NOS won't have enough time to come into full. Go figure their both gallante =\ --- CCP where are our t2 shield power relays? "Those nuclear missiles are for domestic heating."-Scagga
Lefhamier Penguins In Space	Posted - 2006.09.26 19:11:00 - [107] Wow, I have no idea what all this whining is all about. Yes the domi has a great tank due to the fact that it doesn't HAVE to dedicate all of it's mid and low slots to tracking and damage mods, however at the same time you could get the same tank out of any other BS if you really wanted to providing you had the skills to do so. To even make a domi useful, you need well over 1.5mil SP in drones, as well as gallente BS 4 (and that's to be anywhere near useful). If you had that same amount of SP's into your missiles/turrets/lasers/etc, you would be nearly as effective. If the domi could fit 2 large nos and 4 large hybrid turrets, then I'd argue with you and say it was overpowered, but the PG on the domi really limits what large equipment you can use. I man an injector, 2 heavy nos, and 2 lars use up a good chunk of your PG.
Sammiel Ars Caelestis Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.26 19:12:00 - [108] Correct me if I am off, but with my figures I am getting about 480 or so DPS for a cruise raven with FOF missiles using the damage spreadsheet and compensating for the 75% damage reduction of FOF missiles. So his claim that the drones represent some insurmountable DPS seems false, unless one is willing to claim the same about FOF cruise missiles. And that raven will even have more mids for ECM although I am sure CPU problems start cropping up.
Vathar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.26 19:18:00 - [109] Originally by: xeom Its true a phoon can kill a domi if you fit 2 multi specs in you mids.And then a MWD + Disrupter. But without using more ECM the only ship i think that acctualy stands a chance against it is the megathron.Its probably the only ship with enough gank that NOS won't have enough time to come into full. Go figure their both gallante =\ Tempest and Typhoon work great against Doms In fact, unless said domi is using racials, ECCM will help you immensely against a Nosdom. Considering the amount of nossing/ECM ships around, devising low cap usage BS setups with built in ECCM provides solid setups. Using active ECCM modules, a plated setup in lows and some other modules to go with this ... Outganking it with a blasterthron works as well, ECM drones, ECCM and cap injecting will rip the ship apart before your cap dies! ___________________________________________ Originally by: Stamm Minmatar are kind of like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair firing
0Virtu0 Amarr Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.09.26 19:24:00 - [110] Hi Ginger, why do you keep referring to your main like it was used by another player? Either way, it does appear you are only here to talk and not listen to anything anyone else has to say. Also, try replacing a few of those warp stabs with other modules. Your close range tactics must be rusty considering your overwhelming skills in sniping 190km off a 0.4 gate. :) http://www.shabadoo.info/ggremedial/ - See the Goon Drama!
Waxau Liberty Rogues Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.09.26 19:26:00 - [111] Hi mom! im in a ginger thread. But this ones different mom! Its his alt! yeah! not kidding mom. Oh and ginger. . . theres a difference between SKILLED Characters, and SKILLED players. It doesnt take skilled characters to beat a domi....it takes a skilled player. Failing that, you can have fun with an AF, and a scrambling torp'd raven. But careful bud! Dont take ure thanatos...those things are underpowered
Engelious Angelion Minmatar Liberty Rogues Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.09.26 19:27:00 - [112] Post based on topic head line. TBH...Domi is a very nice ship if used right... yes.... but a domi is far from invincible, no matter its fitting... they are actually just as wounrable as any other ship if the right tactic is used against them.
Wrayeth Outcast Brotherhood	Posted - 2006.09.26 19:34:00 - [113] TBH, I think the domi is overpowered, as well. It's the one ship I won't even consider a 1-v-1 with in most situations; it's just too cheese at the moment. What makes it cheese isn't any one thing, but the combination of all of its attributes. -Wrayeth "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
xlop Gallente	Posted - 2006.09.26 19:38:00 - [114] a domi that is not using ECM is very easy to beat with pulse gedden blasterthron AC temp torp raven Blaster domi nosf/cruise typhoon smaller ships dont have much chance if its nossing! but most BS can fit 2hvy nos and do the same
Thoris Levithar	Posted - 2006.09.26 19:40:00 - [115] Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Like I said I had tanking of 86% to themal and I stil couldnt tank the damage...The drones do a ridiculous amount of damage which cant be tanked and the damage needed to break the tank of a dominix even assuming u are not jammed is tremendous and as most battleships cannot both extreme tank as well as extreme damage u cant win. I still do not get how you cannot tank that damage. LAR II + 86% thermal resists mean that you can tank roughly 508 DPS - thats quite a bit more than 5 Ogre II (with maxed skills!) will do (they cap out at 475.2 DPS). The only problem now is keeping your cap, which can be accomplished by using a cap injector, right? So, HOW exactly were you not able to outtank him? Did you forget to turn your hardeners on? Could the Domi pilot use other drone types...sure, but its quite unlikely. Any SKILLED Domi pilot wont have three sets of heavies, he would be way too vulnerable to smaller ships without some smaller drones. The saying "drone users can switch damage types" is just a myth if it comes to heavy drones. Any raven can do that far better, so if at all the raven (or rather, missiles) would need a nerf...certainly not drones.
Nicocat Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.26 19:53:00 - [116] A bit off-topic (because this has been bugging me a while, and I REALLY don't want to contribute to this chowderhead's discussion), but why do people seem to repeatedly suggest cruise missiles on, say, a phoon against battleships? I was under the impression torps hit harder against a target they were designed to fight. Is it a fitting issue? ---------------------------- Remember, killing a Goon isn't murder. They don't have souls.
Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.09.26 20:02:00 - [117] Domi's are not invincible, I killed 2 Domi's solo, 2v1. Whats that you say? Yeah sure you can argue the fact that I was also flying a Domi, but... uhmm.... uh... What are we talking about again? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Noriath	Posted - 2006.09.26 20:08:00 - [118] This thread ought to be called "ECM is invincible" - because without it a Dominix really isn't so great.
Dahak2150	Posted - 2006.09.26 20:12:00 - [119] GM makes me lawl. ---------- My sig is boring.
Rehmes	Posted - 2006.09.26 20:21:00 - [120] Originally by: Nicocat A bit off-topic (because this has been bugging me a while, and I REALLY don't want to contribute to this chowderhead's discussion), but why do people seem to repeatedly suggest cruise missiles on, say, a phoon against battleships? I was under the impression torps hit harder against a target they were designed to fight. Is it a fitting issue? The phoon can fit siege launchers just fine, as a matter of fact most pilots will use those over cruise in most occations. Points that id like to make: -everyone can fit ecm its chance based so GM, maybe u simply didnt luck out. -just like ecm wont work on his drones neither will his ecm work on urs so direct them to kill his drones. -most domi pilots will have at least a set of lights or meds to fight smaller ships specially those pesky inties. -the actual dmg from the domi is very low so im sure u can outlast his onslaught (plz consider u will be taking his drones down one by one, and if he directs his drones to kill urs then thats dps he doesnt have on u) -in other words if ur killing his drones w urs then hes losing dps bit by bit (even by replacing them) while ur ship is doing full dmg the whole time. If he sends his drones after urs then better for u as his dps will decrease considerably while (again) urs remains the same.
Kharakan Amarr GREY COUNCIL R i s e	Posted - 2006.09.26 20:42:00 - [121] Congratulations, Ginger! Your performance in this thread has earned you this. Well done! You certainly deserve it. Originally by: ParMizaN evry1ghasb a limiy... ...and ijust reached it ahaha... this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer [limegreen]I a
Gabriel Karade Office linebackers Blood of the Innocents	Posted - 2006.09.26 20:52:00 - [122] Well Thoris beat me to it: Ogre II's = 475 dps max, which if you can't tank at 86% resists, you clearly forgot to switch on your armour repairer or something... ---------- - Office Linebacker -
Ezekial Crow Gallente Dark Star LTD	Posted - 2006.09.26 20:57:00 - [123] Two Suggestions: I, Please stop feeding the animal known as GM, it just makes him come back for more. II. Drones are effected by ECM Burst. Zekes way of taking down drones, lesson I. Step I, Since ECM isnt 100% full proof, wait for a failed jam cycle. Step II, When failed jam cycles accur, Jam the other player. Step III, When other player is jammed, drones still attack, unless you you jam the drones. Once you have player jammed, ecm burst his drones, and pray to god you dont get Concord'd. Final note: There is always a counter to Nos, Cm, Drones, ETC. Yes this works, Yes it happen to me, no I dont fly a domi but I do fly a Vexor and Ishkur.
Sadist empirealt	Posted - 2006.09.26 21:01:00 - [124] Originally by: Kharakan Congratulations, Ginger! Your performance in this thread has earned you this. Well done! You certainly deserve it. Class!
Levon Bedros Caldari Pokemons	Posted - 2006.09.26 21:24:00 - [125] Crying about 1vs1 imbalance in a mmorpg is an exercise in stupidty. IMHO.
ozwald Minmatar Serial Killers	Posted - 2006.09.26 23:23:00 - [126] Edited by: ozwald on 26/09/2006 23:23:19 domi would be fine if ecm was fixed, atm its a broken ship when using ecm becaseu of the huge advantage it has being able to tank, jam, nos and deal dmg all at the same time, i pretty much get annoyed by anything using ecm other than a specialised ship that was designed for it and given other weakness to make up for the inability to fire on it. as for beating a domi 1v1, maybe with ew droens but you would need to be in the right situation getting your drones set on him before he jams you and even then its just down to luck. If your not using missiles or projectile weps you will not have the cap to kill him anyway as you would have been drained pretty bad while you were jammed, and it comes down to can you tank his drones long enough for him to get bored.. if he is not jammed then no you cant becasue you've been nossed and have no cap, no cap means no guns for anyone other than msl's and projectiles, cap boost 800 wont last forever. what i'm really saying is nerf ecm just my 2 isk. maybe right ,maybe wrong but i dont really care what everyone thinks of it anyway
Murphius	Posted - 2006.09.26 23:23:00 - [127] The Dominix is dangerous, but it's far from invincible. I've fought them off with a Cyclone repeatedly.
Snikkt Gallente	Posted - 2006.09.26 23:39:00 - [128] I agree, Domis are scary, but they're very killable. It's hard, but how hard it is depends alot on skills, and pilot expirence. I really don't think they're imbalenced. ------------------- If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Originally by: Aloysia Leyshon Shuttels are urban myth pure and simple. I've yet to see evidence of an actual shuttle.[/qu
Celeste Kitawa Gallente HelpCorp United Stock Division	Posted - 2006.09.26 23:52:00 - [129] So, let's analyze the OP. First, he asks us all a question. Then he answers it himself. Then he whines about it. Then, all advice given thereafter as to how to possibly fix his problem is whined at. And I'm posting with my alt, because this seems to be the trend in this thread. __________ HelpCorp United Stock Division [ISKEY] CEO
desintox Vortex. Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.27 00:24:00 - [130] Use this setup to beat a Domi (keeping in mind both parties don't use ECM) Raven: 6x Siege Missile Launcher II (Mjolnir Torps) 1x Large Shield Booster (Best Named) 2x Invulnerability Field II 3x Large Shield Extender II 3x Ballistic Control System II 1x Power Diagnostic System II 1x Damage Mod (best named) But yeah.. With ECM a Domi would probably be the best close range ship.
Benglada Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.09.27 00:50:00 - [131] Originally by: Crom'ar Lev If u know nothing dont post.This ia thread for people who have actually soloed a few player bs not npcs.Alts not welcome. Hypocrit. Follow your own advice. --------------------------- Originally by: Arkanor 0.0 is the Final Frontier. Bring money and friends.
Crom'ar Lev Minmatar OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2006.09.27 02:01:00 - [132] Originally by: Benglada Originally by: Crom'ar Lev If u know nothing dont post.This ia thread for people who have actually soloed a few player bs not npcs.Alts not welcome. Hypocrit. Follow your own advice. Actually I have soloed more than 500 bs a tad more than u no doubt. But as far as I can tell there is no counter to the jamming and nossing domi in 1v1. I should give ECM burst a try but given the very low price this mod sells for plus the fact it is hardly ever menetioned let alone used I very much doubt it can disrupt drones very much if at all. Most xp players have posted here that the domi is overpowered.Only those who dont actualy know anything about pvp have said its not so maybe something will be done. As I posted myself GM has maxed skills for drones/gallente bs and ecm so any nerf if it comes would not be to my advantage but surprisingly enough I dont want easy Iwin buttons merely a level playing field so that superior skills and tactics can prevail rather than unfair and unbeatable exploit/overpowered setups.
CFC Fodder Gallente Kydance Radiant Industries Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.27 02:16:00 - [133] Originally by: Crom'ar Lev So u are fighting a dominix 1v1 how do u win? Answer:u cant Tech 2 drones maxed gallente bs skills plsu 5 med slots free for ecm A tremendous tank even if u can get a lock - carrying multiple drones so can change damage types.In 1v1 this ship is unbeatable and it is ridiculous.Remove or nerf drones - automatic bull** should not be the uber. Any suggestions on how to beat a domi in 1v1 welcome - I look forward to knocking them all down. Simple: Get a Dominix yourself. They are invincible, so you just have to wait for the other pilot to get tired of fighting for hours on end, and you can be declared the winner. End of story. Originally by:** Arian Snow "GTC for ISK" promotes farming of isk to pay for your character those isk underminde the economy and creates inflation!!! Its like printing money in RL...
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2006.09.27 02:45:00 - [134] Originally by: Crom'ar Lev But as far as I can tell there is no counter to the jamming and nossing domi in 1v1. Sounds like your problem is more about ecm and nos than the Dominix itself...
Blitzkrieg The Older Gamers Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.27 02:55:00 - [135] The Dominix is dangerous, but it's far from invincible. I've fought them off with a [insert random t1 cruiser] repeatedly. C'mon guys, this thread is completly biaised, but it sure makes a lot of Domi pilots nervous
Flabida jaba	Posted - 2006.09.27 03:28:00 - [136] i am a newb but from my experience thus far..nos domi's, skill point for skill point are insanly strong yes they are not invunerable.....but in the situation they warp in on top of you at 10 k or less...target, Nos, jam, scramble, approach and bump you off alignment, all the while striping your sheilds with 5 ogreII's. this guy will drain a raven's cap to 0 in less than a minuit if hes running hardeners and even with cap injectors that's just more cap to fuel the domi's tank if you jump them and warp to the right distance outside of nos range and are able to keep the distance u could win ..but chances of escape when they jump you pretty much zero..perfect 1v1 pirate ship
Murukan Minmatar The Priory	Posted - 2006.09.27 03:30:00 - [137] Originally by: Crom'ar Lev Try reading what I posted.NOsferatu may be overpwoered but its the damge of drones that is the problem.This damage at maxed skills is absolutely overpowering and cannot be tanked.Jamming will not stop drones from hitting u and to totally disable a domi u must destroy 15 heavy drones with probably at least 20% more than normal hitpoints due to drone durablity skill.It is a physical impossibilty that you could lock 15 drones and destroy them before your own ship is destroyed.And smartbombs will almost instantly drain your cap as well as their uselessness in empire space. Like I said I had tanking of 86% to themal and I stil couldnt tank the damage.I dont claim that Crom'ar is the best pvp pilot in the universe but I realy dont see how even someone like Ginger can win against similar skilled pilots flying a dominix. The drones do a ridiculous amount of damage which cant be tanked and the damage needed to break the tank of a dominix even assuming u are not jammed is tremendous and as most battleships cannot both extreme tank as well as extreme damage u cant win. I actually lost a fight using a close range megathron on Ginger to a player of less than 1 year old which I talk about in my interview who uses a nos domi on me. It's amazing how stupid you are. Of course damage from a domi's drones at max level is going to be high, that's its primary dmg source. That's like complaining that a max leveled blasterthron does too much dmg. Only when combine with nos and ecm do the drones get out of line. If you don't want everyone to think that you're such a tit you should also not flame every single person that disagrees with you. In rust we trust!!!
Sir Bart	Posted - 2006.09.27 04:12:00 - [138] Originally by: Crom'ar Lev So u are fighting a dominix 1v1 how do u win? Answer:u cant Tech 2 drones maxed gallente bs skills plsu 5 med slots free for ecm A tremendous tank even if u can get a lock - carrying multiple drones so can change damage types.In 1v1 this ship is unbeatable and it is ridiculous.Remove or nerf drones - automatic bull**** should not be the uber. Any suggestions on how to beat a domi in 1v1 welcome - I look forward to knocking them all down. I started out by giving a setup but changed my mind. I don't wanna give out the trade secrets. How about, you fly a domi and I'll fly a mega and we'll have a fight?
Sir Bart	Posted - 2006.09.27 04:45:00 - [139] Originally by: Murukan Of course damage from a domi's drones at max level is going to be high, that's its primary dmg source. The drone damage on a maxed out dominix is pretty weak. Drones do about 200 dps with 5 heavies, +50% for a dominix = 300 dps. (I'm using berserkers since I prefer them but if you use ogres you get 360 dps). Other ships that get say +25% damage to large hybrids get something in the neighborhood of 150 extra dps (although it depends on your setup, if you are not setup for high dps it's +100 dps just like the domi). -SB

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