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Angelica Dreamstar Miner's House of ill repute 1041	Posted - 2015.07.18 09:29:53 - [2131] - Quote Renegade Heart wrote: La Rynx wrote: To get you arguments working you have to redefine reality. Noone outside of code thinks that code wins. Or you could ignore reality maybe? For example, there are players like me, who are not inside of CODE, yet I can see how they win. But if I don't exist, or am redefined in some manner, then you win? These are serious questions by the way! Asking the real questions! #elitequestionasker "People need to realise that saying "someone else will do it" also mean that other someone else might be thinking the exact same thing..." -- Frostys Virpio, very attentive person, thoughtful, smart responses. Understands self responsibility.
Maenth The Thirteen Provinces 16	Posted - 2015.07.18 10:56:00 - [2132] - Quote While I understand that 'hyperdunking' doesn't break the rules - which alone is fine - the fact that it can be done shows that the crimewatch system doesn't exactly do what it should. Police are supposed to be a crime-prevention force and not 100% a crime-reaction force. CONCORD should be at least forceful enough to say "You misused your ship so we're taking it from you by force, and any other ship you bring out in the next little while that might try the same criminal activity" ... kinda like how people get arrested and then put in jail for at least a little while and not just immediately released. How effective is a police force that responds to drunk driving by just taking the beer you have on you at the time, says "I've got my eye on you" and then leaves you alone until you mess up again ..? The real issue is risk vs reward. For hisec grankers the risk[cost] is very low while potential rewards are very high. Within the grand scheme of EVE and its philosophy of risk vs reward there is too much favour for the gankers in hisec; it doesn't cost much ISK or Time or even Complexity to significantly multiply their investment. Drones. Drones are a means to an end. An end to the ruthless Caldari 'progress' machines. An end to the barbaric 'redemption' proposed by the Amarr. What they see as chaos shall be my perfect order, merely beyond their comprehension.
Angelica Dreamstar Miner's House of ill repute 1047	Posted - 2015.07.18 11:03:47 - [2133] - Quote Maenth wrote: Police are supposed to be a crime-prevention force and not 100% a crime-reaction force. That's police, but this is CONCORD. What you believe what should be and actual reality doesn't go together. Now instead of being fixated on your silly idea, how about you acknowledge the reality of the game and how it works. I'll save us both time and ignore the rest of the drivel, because the beginning was already dismissable anyway. Thank you. "People need to realise that saying "someone else will do it" also mean that other someone else might be thinking the exact same thing..." -- Frostys Virpio, very attentive person, thoughtful, smart responses. Understands self responsibility.
Maenth The Thirteen Provinces 16	Posted - 2015.07.18 11:10:26 - [2134] - Quote Angelica Dreamstar wrote: Maenth wrote: Police are supposed to be a crime-prevention force and not 100% a crime-reaction force. That's police, but this is CONCORD. What you believe what should be and actual reality doesn't go together. Now instead of being fixated on your silly idea, how about you acknowledge the reality of the game and how it works. I'll save us both time and ignore the rest of the drivel, because the beginning was already dismissable anyway. Thank you. I understand and actually appreciate the reality, but EVE is supposed to be all about risk/cost vs reward and criminals should have to really play that harsh game along with the haulers and wormhole corps and sov alliances. Drones. Drones are a means to an end. An end to the ruthless Caldari 'progress' machines. An end to the barbaric 'redemption' proposed by the Amarr. What they see as chaos shall be my perfect order, merely beyond their comprehension.
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 1202	Posted - 2015.07.18 11:23:13 - [2135] - Quote Maenth wrote: While I understand that 'hyperdunking' doesn't break the rules - which alone is fine - the fact that it can be done shows that the crimewatch system doesn't exactly do what it should. Police are supposed to be a crime-prevention force and not 100% a crime-reaction force. CONCORD should be at least forceful enough to say "You misused your ship so we're taking it from you by force, and any other ship you bring out in the next little while that might try the same criminal activity" ... kinda like how people get arrested and then put in jail for at least a little while and not just immediately released. Didn't I just link CCP's thoughts on this a page or two ago? Well here it is again: CCP wrote: 5.2 WHO IS CONCORD AND WHAT ROLE DO THEY PERFORM? CONCORD can be considered to be the GÇÿspace policeGÇÖ who patrol the higher security areas of New Eden. They take action against those who attack others without justification and will hunt such miscreants down and destroy them without mercy. However, their role is not to prevent an attack but to punish an aggressor. Should you find yourself under fire from another pilot, CONCORD may not arrive in time to help you, so it will be down to your skill and the strength of your ship to prevail. CONCORD is not there to prevent crime - that is up to you. Maenth wrote: The real issue is risk vs reward. For hisec grankers the risk[cost] is very low while potential rewards are very high. Within the grand scheme of EVE and its philosophy of risk vs reward there is too much favour for the gankers in hisec; it doesn't cost much ISK or Time or even Complexity to significantly multiply their investment. You are missing the point of the game design: gankers are the risk in risk vs. reward. Everyone is subject to this game mechanism and anyone can participate: you can sacrifice your ship for the chance of taking the other player's stuff. At its stripped-down core, ganking is not a profession but a way by which players can enforce the risk vs. reward design of the game against other players. Ganking does not put resources into the economy - it only destroys them - so it is not necessary for gankers to have any risk at all. That is not to say that they don't have risk as they do and fail all the time, but fundamentally that paradigm which is needed to control resource generation into the greater economy does not apply. Without ganking, there would be no risk at all left in highsec. CCP recognizes this and has enabled suicide ganking and criminals so there is actually at least some risk there. The mechanics have been tightened so much that suicide ganking has never been harder, and despite what you think it pays less per hour than L4 missioning, sometimes much less, when you factor in all the people and time needed to pull off a successful gank. It is by no means an easy or guaranteed way to get rich or more people would be doing it.
Angelica Dreamstar Miner's House of ill repute 1048	Posted - 2015.07.18 11:30:45 - [2136] - Quote Maenth wrote: Angelica Dreamstar wrote: Maenth wrote: Police are supposed to be a crime-prevention force and not 100% a crime-reaction force. That's police, but this is CONCORD. What you believe what should be and actual reality doesn't go together. Now instead of being fixated on your silly idea, how about you acknowledge the reality of the game and how it works. I'll save us both time and ignore the rest of the drivel, because the beginning was already dismissable anyway. Thank you. I understand and actually appreciate the reality, but EVE is supposed to be all about risk/cost vs reward and criminals should have to really play that harsh game along with the haulers and wormhole corps and sov alliances. Then, as you believe changes are needed, please link at least a week worth of suicide ganking kills to show that you actually have an idea what you are talking about. Thanks! "People need to realise that saying "someone else will do it" also mean that other someone else might be thinking the exact same thing..." -- Frostys Virpio, very attentive person, thoughtful, smart responses. Understands self responsibility.
Kandu Harr Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2015.07.18 11:36:19 - [2137] - Quote Black Pedro wrote: Without ganking, there would be no risk at all left in highsec. you should amend that statement, it is false
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 24335	Posted - 2015.07.18 11:46:54 - [2138] - Quote Dracvlad wrote: Why feel sorry? People are doing it for fun, to have something to do, and sometimes those we try to save block us ignore us and just don't do what they need to do to be saved, but we just shrug and get on with it. Sometimes we get rewarded by people we have saved. Lets just say we have fun at times and we win some and lose quite a few, well thats because the Gankers are very well organised, very good at what they do and know the mechanics inside out. I have actually done some low level ganking on another toon, but I have been observing CODE and Goon gankers for some time and know most of the mechanics, their tactical appreciation is very very good. If that's the case then carry on, fun is a great reason to do something. It's great to see that you appreciate the organisation and skills of your opponents too, something that others, including CODE. pilots sometimes fail to do. Quote: From what I have seen of the AG attempts to educate they focus on people using webbers and not auto-piloting, there are a few other things but thats not for me to say, I just participate. Globby for example recently convo'd one AG player because he was seriously getting in his way. Unfortunately that education often falls on barren ground, some players just don't want to accept that they sometimes have to put effort into what is often a boring activity. IIt's good to see that you are having an effect on the sandbox by sometimes getting in the way though. Quote: Most Anti-Gankers I know accept that CCP have allowed Hyperdunking, they also know how easy it is to stop, you just get the odd one now and then, mostly new to the AG movement who go off on it. I retract my earlier sorrow for anti gankers in general and instead reserve it for those few who can't accept that hyperdunking is allowed and kick off about it at every opportunity. Quote: And our earlier exchange on another thread was nothing personal on my part, just doing what Kaarous and others do, in fact as posters go I actually like reading your posts. Likewise on the nothing personal, I can be rather blunt and unapologetic, which often comes across the wrong way. It's why I phrased the post the way I did with reference to meta game and forum animosities. @La Rynx, regardless of how you feel about what CODE. do, they are very good at it, adept is a fitting word to use. adept adjective +Ö-êd+¢pt,-êad+¢pt/ 1. very skilled or proficient at something. synonyms:expert, proficient, accomplished, skilful, talented, gifted, masterly, virtuoso, consummate, peerless; More noun -êad+¢pt/ 1. a person who is skilled or proficient at something. Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. CODE. 13721	Posted - 2015.07.18 11:52:28 - [2139] - Quote Maenth wrote: Police are supposed to be a crime-prevention force and not 100% a crime-reaction force. Wrong. Hell man, that's not even true in real life. Quote: kinda like how people get arrested and then put in jail for at least a little while and not just immediately released. Capsuleers are not "people". We are just short of gods. Any analogy to real life is basically invalid from the outset merely by virtue of this fact. Quote: The real issue is risk vs reward. For hisec grankers the risk[cost] is very low while potential rewards are very high. The rewards are entirely based on how stupid the haulers are being on any given day. And, like any PvP interaction, risk is determined almost entirely by how much effort is being put in by the opposition. Put in zero, and yeah, we have an easy time of it, working as intended. Quote: On top of that, the legal penalty or cost for a life devoted to crime within civilized society is extremely low. New Eden is not a civilized society. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald Black Hydra Consortium. CODE. 13721	Posted - 2015.07.18 11:56:19 - [2140] - Quote Maenth wrote: I understand and actually appreciate the reality, but EVE is supposed to be all about risk/cost vs reward and criminals should have to really play that harsh game along with the haulers and wormhole corps and sov alliances. You want the only playstyle in highsec that actually has consequences built into it to have even more stacked on top... so that you can commensurately reduce your own risk to actual zero. People like you don't get to talk about risk vs reward, you don't even know what it means. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs. Best Meltdown Ever.

Maenth The Thirteen Provinces 16	Posted - 2015.07.18 12:07:43 - [2141] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Maenth wrote: I understand and actually appreciate the reality, but EVE is supposed to be all about risk/cost vs reward and criminals should have to really play that harsh game along with the haulers and wormhole corps and sov alliances. You want the only playstyle in highsec that actually has consequences built into it to have even more stacked on top... so that you can commensurately reduce your own risk to actual zero. People like you don't get to talk about risk vs reward, you don't even know what it means. Cool but I have actually lived in nullsec and also currently live in w-space so dismiss I WOULD LIKE TO THANK BLACK PEDRO FOR A THOROUGH AND WELL-SUPPORTED REBUTTAL Drones. Drones are a means to an end. An end to the ruthless Caldari 'progress' machines. An end to the barbaric 'redemption' proposed by the Amarr. What they see as chaos shall be my perfect order, merely beyond their comprehension.
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 1207	Posted - 2015.07.18 12:12:24 - [2142] - Quote Kandu Harr wrote: Black Pedro wrote: Without ganking, there would be no risk at all left in highsec. you should amend that statement, it is false What risk is there left for an NPC corp member then other than a suicide gank? NPCs? Accidentally self-destructing? At the beginning of 2015 there were three forms of non-consensual PvP in highsec: wardecs, suicide ganking, and highsec awoxing. Now there are only two. And only one of those affects NPC corp members.
Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards 24335	Posted - 2015.07.18 12:14:57 - [2143] - Quote Maenth wrote: Police are supposed to be a crime-prevention force and not 100% a crime-reaction force. Context is needed here, the only punishable crime in hisec is unsanctioned aggression, the penalty for committing that crime is enough to deter an extremely large majority of hisec players from committing it. Everything else is a misdemeanor Quote: On top of that, the legal penalty or cost for a life devoted to crime within civilized society is extremely low Are you sure you meant to write that? Unless my eyes have suddenly gone squiffy and I'm misreading it, you just stated that the legal penalties for a life of crime in a civilised society are low, which is a direct contradiction of the rest of your post. Quote: The loss of security status is irrelevant when people can just buy those tags to repair their security status. People who want to be good with the forces of law and order have to grind missions, but serial murderers and thieves can just buy their way back in to civilized society where they'll almost certainly commit crimes again? It's just.. all wrong This is as true in real life as it is in Eve, if you have enough money and influence you can get away with pretty much anything. Also Eve is a dystopia, which is the exact opposite of a civilised society. Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business. Nil mortifi sine lucre.
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 1349	Posted - 2015.07.18 12:17:23 - [2144] - Quote Maenth wrote: I understand and actually appreciate the reality, but EVE is supposed to be all about risk/cost vs reward and criminals should have to really play that harsh game along with the haulers and wormhole corps and sov alliances. The risk vs reward applies for the NPC content and not for player driven stuff. Actually in highsec it is completely backwards, if they ship billions of ISK with ships that can be killed for a few hundred millions, then something else is going on. The people of highsec have a wrong sense of security if they undock and autopilot their whole stuff without escort. And thats exactly because ganking was nerfed into the ground and only a hand full of people do it, but find a place full of freigters with billions of loot. By making highsec even more secure you will just make this whole thing worse. The freighters will get even more fat and the few left who can organize a gank will earn even more. Think about it! the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Omega Capsuleer Order of Cut-Throats 0	Posted - 2015.07.18 13:24:08 - [2145] - Quote CCP Falcon wrote: Players are also reminded that if someone is criminally flagged, they are fair game to be attacked in self-defense. Feel free to use this to your advantage. But what about the disadvantaged? Those without the resources (isk, SP, equipment, etc.) to seek revenge? And it does not consider how people feel loss. A new player losing a ship he has put all his earnings into feels the loss more than a bitter vet losing hundreds of millions of isk to Concord. Sounds like a new generation of punching bags.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 16726	Posted - 2015.07.18 13:29:16 - [2146] - Quote Omega Capsuleer wrote: CCP Falcon wrote: Players are also reminded that if someone is criminally flagged, they are fair game to be attacked in self-defense. Feel free to use this to your advantage. But what about the disadvantaged? Those without the resources (isk, SP, equipment, etc.) to seek revenge? And it does not consider how people feel loss. A new player losing a ship he has put all his earnings into feels the loss more than a bitter vet losing hundreds of millions of isk to Concord. Sounds like a new generation of punching bags. Here you are referring to people too "disadvantaged" to fit and fly eg: an arty thrasher. Those people should still be running the tutorial missions, not flying freighters and concern-trolling. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 1352	Posted - 2015.07.18 13:30:10 - [2147] - Quote Omega Capsuleer wrote: CCP Falcon wrote: Players are also reminded that if someone is criminally flagged, they are fair game to be attacked in self-defense. Feel free to use this to your advantage. But what about the disadvantaged? Those without the resources (isk, SP, equipment, etc.) to seek revenge? And it does not consider how people feel loss. A new player losing a ship he has put all his earnings into feels the loss more than a bitter vet losing hundreds of millions of isk to Concord. Sounds like a new generation of punching bags. How many new players do you know who lost an Orca or a Freighter in a hyperdunk? the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Anne Dieu-le-veut Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People 189	Posted - 2015.07.18 15:38:37 - [2148] - Quote Maenth wrote: CONCORD should be at least forceful enough to say "You misused your ship so we're taking it from you by force, and any other ship you bring out in the next little while that might try the same criminal activity" ... kinda like how people get arrested and then put in jail for at least a little while and not just immediately released. Umm, that's exactly what happens. Any ship they board while under GCC is destroyed, whether they take new criminal actions or not. You really should learn game mechanics better before proposing changes. Maenth wrote: How effective is a police force that responds to drunk driving by just taking the beer you have on you at the time, says "I've got my eye on you" and then leaves you alone until you mess up again ..? They confiscate your ship and any other ship you board for the next 15 minutes...not exactly "taking the beer". Taking the beer would be like confiscating only their ammo. Omega Capsuleer wrote: CCP Falcon wrote: Players are also reminded that if someone is criminally flagged, they are fair game to be attacked in self-defense. Feel free to use this to your advantage. But what about the disadvantaged? Those without the resources (isk, SP, equipment, etc.) to seek revenge? And it does not consider how people feel loss. A new player losing a ship he has put all his earnings into feels the loss more than a bitter vet losing hundreds of millions of isk to Concord. Sounds like a new generation of punching bags. Ah, yes...the "new player" flying around in freighters with 10B worth of assets. Did I not get the secret password when I created my account as a new player to get a freighter?
afkalt Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 1672	Posted - 2015.07.18 16:03:16 - [2149] - Quote Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote: Ah, yes...the "new player" flying around in freighters with 10B worth of assets. Did I not get the secret password when I created my account as a new player to get a freighter? Come now, let's not pretend that isk value under a certain level brings "safety". You'll die if people are bored enough regardless, even if it is empty. Which is fine, but let's be clear for people trying to research: lower value = lower risk but far from none. Don't rock about in capitals unsupported.
Angelica Dreamstar Miner's House of ill repute 1055	Posted - 2015.07.18 16:31:49 - [2150] - Quote Omega Capsuleer wrote: CCP Falcon wrote: Players are also reminded that if someone is criminally flagged, they are fair game to be attacked in self-defense. Feel free to use this to your advantage. But what about the disadvantaged? Those without the resources (isk, SP, equipment, etc.) to seek revenge? And it does not consider how people feel loss. A new player losing a ship he has put all his earnings into feels the loss more than a bitter vet losing hundreds of millions of isk to Concord. Sounds like a new generation of punching bags. There is only one thing that needs to be said to expose all of this as bullshit. For over a decade, hundreds of thousands of people have played and joined this game. Whatever you say is simply invalid, because it only happens in your head. Now to the new generation. Yes, the new generation are punching bags, but that's not our fault. It's theirs. Current and next generation gamers are flat-out losers, unless they really dedicate themselves to championships and whatever. Absolutely most gamers are flat-out idiots who lack any skill whatsoever. Hand the classic Prince of Persia to a 16 year old kid of today. There's a 60 Minutes time limit in this game. Watch him fail. And fail. And fail. And rage. Whine. And then give up. Yes, the new generation is a bunch of punching bags. Self entitled, worthless punching bags. But that's not OUR fault! WE know that people aren't equal. WE know that not everyone deserves a chance. Work for it or get lost, that's how things get done. WE don't need to adapt to self entitled people who lack attention-span and concentration. If people are too dumb to play this game, then they ARE too dumb to play this game. They aren't a target audience for this game, at all, because they want things this game can not offer them. Your pity for these people is disgusting. "People need to realise that saying "someone else will do it" also mean that other someone else might be thinking the exact same thing..." -- Frostys Virpio, very attentive person, thoughtful, smart responses. Understands self responsibility.

Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 6386	Posted - 2015.07.18 16:49:02 - [2151] - Quote Black Pedro wrote: Didn't I just link CCP's thoughts on this a page or two ago? Well here it is again: CCP wrote: 5.2 WHO IS CONCORD AND WHAT ROLE DO THEY PERFORM? CONCORD can be considered to be the GÇÿspace policeGÇÖ who patrol the higher security areas of New Eden. They take action against those who attack others without justification and will hunt such miscreants down and destroy them without mercy. However, their role is not to prevent an attack but to punish an aggressor. Should you find yourself under fire from another pilot, CONCORD may not arrive in time to help you, so it will be down to your skill and the strength of your ship to prevail. Hyperdunking makes that part irrelevant. Black Pedro wrote: You are missing the point of the game design: gankers are the risk in risk vs. reward. Gankng is aplaystyle in itself and should be itself balanced in risk vs reward. Claiming is is the risk and thus shouldn't itself be subject to the same rules is ludicrous. As it stands, ganking is cheap and easy and insanely rewarding. All you're doing here is crying to keep your easy income source, and it's pathetic. You're a carebear. Black Pedro wrote: Ganking does not put resources into the economy - it only destroys them - so it is not necessary for gankers to have any risk at all. ROFL! Carebear confirmed. You want to get rewarded but want zero risk. Black Pedro wrote: Without ganking, there would be no risk at all left in highsec. Fundamentally wrong on all levels. There's loads of risk not related to ganking. Form wardecs through duals and suspect flags through to simply losing to NPCs. That said, ganking should still exist going forwards, it should just be balanced so that the better rewards are more difficult (or at least not so predictable and simple) to obtain. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
Angelica Dreamstar Miner's House of ill repute 1057	Posted - 2015.07.18 17:11:04 - [2152] - Quote As usual I will ignore Lucas Kell with my shocking honesty, pointing out that he should talk to a mirror from time to time. I really like this profile picture. Thanks, CCP Punkturis!
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 6386	Posted - 2015.07.18 17:16:45 - [2153] - Quote I accept your concession of defeat. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
Mag's the united 19819	Posted - 2015.07.18 17:17:00 - [2154] - Quote Angelica Dreamstar wrote: As usual I will ignore Lucas Kell with my shocking honesty, pointing out that he should talk to a mirror from time to time. Well he is fundamentally wrong on all levels, so maybe he can't look into one? Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 6386	Posted - 2015.07.18 17:20:44 - [2155] - Quote Mag's wrote: Angelica Dreamstar wrote: As usual I will ignore Lucas Kell with my shocking honesty, pointing out that he should talk to a mirror from time to time. Well he is fundamentally wrong on all levels, so maybe he can't look into one? Care to elaborate? Are you suggesting that game developers should be aiming only for a generation of gamers which can only decrease in size ignoring the primary market? Sounds like crazy talk to me. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
Angelica Dreamstar Miner's House of ill repute 1058	Posted - 2015.07.18 17:23:26 - [2156] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Mag's wrote: Angelica Dreamstar wrote: As usual I will ignore Lucas Kell with my shocking honesty, pointing out that he should talk to a mirror from time to time. Well he is fundamentally wrong on all levels, so maybe he can't look into one? Care to elaborate? Are you suggesting that game developers should be aiming only for a generation of gamers which can only decrease in size ignoring the primary market? Sounds like crazy talk to me. No, brainiac. He's talking about you. The way you think. It's not about what you say, but it's about what makes you say it in the first place. I really like this profile picture. Thanks, CCP Punkturis!
Mag's the united 19819	Posted - 2015.07.18 17:24:40 - [2157] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Mag's wrote: Angelica Dreamstar wrote: As usual I will ignore Lucas Kell with my shocking honesty, pointing out that he should talk to a mirror from time to time. Well he is fundamentally wrong on all levels, so maybe he can't look into one? Care to elaborate? Are you suggesting that game developers should be aiming only for a generation of gamers which can only decrease in size ignoring the primary market? Sounds like crazy talk to me. You do have your opinion, that we know. It's fundamentally wrong and that's my opinion. I see how this works and follow your lead. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Lucas Kell Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance 6386	Posted - 2015.07.18 17:26:38 - [2158] - Quote So tl;dr you have no reasoning and it can be safely assumed you are a troll and your posts can be disregarded. Gotcha. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
Mag's the united 19819	Posted - 2015.07.18 17:27:11 - [2159] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: So tl;dr you have no reasoning and it can be safely assumed you are a troll and your posts can be disregarded. Gotcha. So you are looking in a mirror. Win win. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Paranoid Loyd 6314	Posted - 2015.07.18 17:29:16 - [2160] - Quote This thread needs some comic relief, enjoy. "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!



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