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Interfectorem Tacet
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
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Posted - 2015.01.28 21:05:54 -
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Well reading this update on Tiamat 'features' and saw that Concord will be able to interfere with intra corp combat (if the boss enables it)
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/coming-to-eve-in-tiamat/
So is this end of the awoxer? Seems Eve is more 'soft' than ever before.... |
Shailagh
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.28 21:08:43 -
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The default for new corps is anti touching with no fee for zero risk.
Want To Trade Hyperdunking for Safaris please |
Shailagh
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.28 21:11:00 -
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Interfectorem Tacet wrote:
Also boss dont even need to enable it cuz ya know ceos are bad at reading an may accidently set it wrong and bears may lose ships so its set to OFF AS DEFAULT FOR NEW Corps
Wtf cant they make the bears that wana pve and make isk pay a percentage of that sacred isk as a fee for reducing theyre risk???
Ccp make this cost a fee! |
Mag's
the united
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Posted - 2015.01.28 21:32:17 -
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Yep if this thing is active in a corp, there should be a 10% Concord tax. Or the same as NPC corps, I forget now what that sits at.
**Destination SkillQueue:- **
It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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Futt Isimazu
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.01.28 22:14:18 -
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ITT: Delicious C&P Tears
You guys cry more than the average miner, it's hilarious. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
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Posted - 2015.01.28 22:19:28 -
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This is the first expansion to EVE in a while that will actively leave the game worse than it was beforehand.
Don't worry, however. I've been theorycrafting ways to destroy corporations that let their guard down because of this feature. All are possible now, but because of the possibility of AWOXing existing, they don't catch the more skittish bears.
Expect a LOT of carebear tears when they are unveiled.
Also, expect more *terrible* corporations that exist solely to exploit new players by taxing them. AWOXers have been able to protect newbies from the likes of TDD Dominators well in the past. The various tax scams (mass recruit, tax everyone, keep all the tax) will be more effective now. It wouldn't surprise me if people like myself get into that sort of scamming - then suddenly, when bored of it, flick the aggression switch.
Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Vote #1 Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
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Interfectorem Tacet
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
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Posted - 2015.01.28 22:36:45 -
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Futt Isimazu wrote:ITT: Delicious C&P Tears
You guys cry more than the average miner, it's hilarious.
Who's crying? Not me as I don't awox but I know a lot of people who do
This is just another block put in that enterprising players will adapt to and still cause the carebears to cry.
And NOBODY cries more than the average miner in eve LOL! |
Seraph IX Basarab
Hades Effect
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Posted - 2015.01.28 22:51:56 -
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AWOX lowsec/0.0/wormhole corps then.
HS AWOXing really is the low hanging fruit...
Hades Effect
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Interfectorem Tacet
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
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Posted - 2015.01.29 00:19:54 -
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Seraph IX Basarab wrote:AWOX lowsec/0.0/wormhole corps then.
HS AWOXing really is the low hanging fruit...
I generally agree with this statement apart from the Low hanging fruit in HS part.
The vast majority of people I know who do the HS pirate/merc/awox thing do it in high sec because it is all about interaction with other players. HS has by far the vary majority of players so they hang out there and do their thing. |
Haedonism Bot
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
1632
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Posted - 2015.01.29 00:20:08 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:It wouldn't surprise me if people like myself get into that sort of scamming - then suddenly, when bored of it, flick the aggression switch.
It's not quite as simple as suddenly flipping the switch. If it's released as proposed there will be a corp notification and 24 hour cooldown timer before you can shoot. I'm sure that you can still reverse AWOX some carebears but you may have to come up with a plausible story why you would switch the safety off. Most Bears will believe anything if you can say it with a straight face anyway.
CODE. is recruiting highsec PvPers for wardecs
www.everevolutioanryfront.blogspot.com
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.29 00:55:06 -
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Even though you can't nerf stupid, and AWOXers will still successfully awox using social engineering hacks (i.e. 'dude, help me test my tank..duel me...')...the *intent* of CCP's continual moves in nerfing hisec with slow stealthy paper-cuts is disconcerting...
Its always nerf..nerf..nerf...and now we hear rumblings that 'social corporations' are on the table in a future release, so the little bears can be 100% safe from wardecs in a player corp (wtf?!)
When we wake up one day and hisec IS a 100% safe Disneyland, it will be too late to ask then 'how did that happen'. It will also be too late to string up (in game) the CSM's like Sugar Kyle or Mike Asariah who were asleep at the switch on protecting the sandbox during their terms...
tldr; EvE IS getting too soft. Better education or tutorials is one thing, nerfing mechanics is another all together.
F
Would you like to know more?
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Interfectorem Tacet
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
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Posted - 2015.01.29 01:18:48 -
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I read about the 'social corps' WTF!! How on earth is that going to help eve in any way.
People seem to forget EVE is often tauted as one of, if not, the most hardcore/difficult games on the market because of the vast amount of things that you can do.
It is slowly but surely becoming more like a theme park game. It used to be all about consequence of your actions, Hell they even did a number of trailers specifically promoting this, now they are making more and more mechanics to curb creativity and make it more childlike!
For all these extra 'protections' they are putting in place they are not increasing the 'cost' to live in high sec i.e. reducing the ability to make isk in high. No wonder null is a f**ked as it is. It isn't work spending the time there! |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Quantum Distributions
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Posted - 2015.01.29 01:34:05 -
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Mag's wrote:Yep if this thing is active in a corp, there should be a 10% Concord tax. Or the same as NPC corps, I forget now what that sits at. Actually if that were implemented I would be comfortable with this "feature" (and I use that term lightly). NPC corps are 11%. It makes sense for a corp to have to pay concord for additional protection.
New player resources:
Uni Wiki - General Info
Eve Altruist - PvP
Belligerent Undesirables - High Sec Pvp
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Quantum Distributions
1395
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Posted - 2015.01.29 01:36:38 -
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Seraph IX Basarab wrote:AWOX lowsec/0.0/wormhole corps then.
HS AWOXing really is the low hanging fruit... High sec is the low hanging fruit. That doesn't mean its not tasty.
New player resources:
Uni Wiki - General Info
Eve Altruist - PvP
Belligerent Undesirables - High Sec Pvp
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Mag's
the united
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Posted - 2015.01.29 01:37:42 -
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Interfectorem Tacet wrote:I read about the 'social corps' WTF!! How on earth is that going to help eve in any way.
People seem to forget EVE is often tauted as one of, if not, the most hardcore/difficult games on the market because of the vast amount of things that you can do.
It is slowly but surely becoming more like a theme park game. It used to be all about consequence of your actions, Hell they even did a number of trailers specifically promoting this, now they are making more and more mechanics to curb creativity and make it more childlike!
For all these extra 'protections' they are putting in place they are not increasing the 'cost' to live in high sec i.e. reducing the ability to make isk in high. No wonder null is a f**ked as it is. It isn't work spending the time there! Can you point me towards where they talk about 'social corps' please? That idea sounds absurd.
**Destination SkillQueue:- **
It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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Mag's
the united
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Posted - 2015.01.29 01:39:57 -
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Mag's wrote:Yep if this thing is active in a corp, there should be a 10% Concord tax. Or the same as NPC corps, I forget now what that sits at. Actually if that were implemented I would be comfortable with this "feature" (and I use that term lightly). NPC corps are 11%. It makes sense for a corp to have to pay concord for additional protection. I think it would make this change balanced and have meaning.
**Destination SkillQueue:- **
It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Quantum Distributions
1395
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Posted - 2015.01.29 01:41:11 -
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Mag's wrote:Interfectorem Tacet wrote:I read about the 'social corps' WTF!! How on earth is that going to help eve in any way.
People seem to forget EVE is often tauted as one of, if not, the most hardcore/difficult games on the market because of the vast amount of things that you can do.
It is slowly but surely becoming more like a theme park game. It used to be all about consequence of your actions, Hell they even did a number of trailers specifically promoting this, now they are making more and more mechanics to curb creativity and make it more childlike!
For all these extra 'protections' they are putting in place they are not increasing the 'cost' to live in high sec i.e. reducing the ability to make isk in high. No wonder null is a f**ked as it is. It isn't work spending the time there! Can you point me towards where they talk about 'social corps' please? That idea sounds absurd. Honestly, the social corps thing isn't horrible. The main idea is that players have some of the more cohesive communication options than corps have, but can't control in space assets like a corp does. As long as they're playing NPC tax and can't set standings, I see no issue with it.
New player resources:
Uni Wiki - General Info
Eve Altruist - PvP
Belligerent Undesirables - High Sec Pvp
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Interfectorem Tacet
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
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Posted - 2015.01.29 01:43:11 -
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Mag's wrote:Can you point me towards where they talk about 'social corps' please? That idea sounds absurd.
http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/csm/Meetings/summit/CSM9-WS-D1.pdf
CSM minutes page 14, section about corps and such. No details really apart from it being something that 'may' make people join then rather than create/join player corps. Haven't been able to find anything else yet but i'm looking as this is very different from the eve I have been involved with since release. |
Interfectorem Tacet
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
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Posted - 2015.01.29 01:45:13 -
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote: Honestly, the social corps thing isn't horrible. The main idea is that players have some of the more cohesive communication options than corps have, but can't control in space assets like a corp does. As long as they're playing NPC tax and can't set standings, I see no issue with it.
IF they have NPC tax etc and can't 'operate' like a corp that would be ok but then players can already do that with private chat channels etc etc. It just screams of a placating feature that WILL end up replacing corps for a lot of players. |
Mag's
the united
18921
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Posted - 2015.01.29 02:00:11 -
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Interfectorem Tacet wrote:Mag's wrote:Can you point me towards where they talk about 'social corps' please? That idea sounds absurd. http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/csm/Meetings/summit/CSM9-WS-D1.pdfCSM minutes page 14, section about corps and such. No details really apart from it being something that 'may' make people join then rather than create/join player corps. Haven't been able to find anything else yet but i'm looking as this is very different from the eve I have been involved with since release. Thanks.
**Destination SkillQueue:- **
It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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Futt Isimazu
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.01.29 02:43:30 -
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ITT: Whining that you cant wardec/AWOX mining barges anymore :((((((((((((( |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
447
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Posted - 2015.01.29 04:27:29 -
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Awoxxing never made sense and is rightly on the way out. Hopefully the crazy wardecc system is next in line for a revamp. |
Interfectorem Tacet
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
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Posted - 2015.01.29 08:27:22 -
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Futt Isimazu wrote:ITT: Whining that you cant wardec/AWOX mining barges anymore :(((((((((((((
lol you really are a bad troll aren't you
This is a legitimate concern that eve is going against it's long term ideal that there is nowhere 100% safe in new Eden. These changes are 1 small step / tweak from making that happen. Eve will be worse off if it does. |
Corvois
Sentinel Development Studio
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Posted - 2015.01.29 09:10:45 -
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Awox'ing, etc is not really a play style I do or find interesting, but these kinds of changes are worrying. To me it looks like EVE is trading in its uniqueness to become exactly the kind of game that WoW has happily buried for the lady decade or so.
After all exactly how many theme park mmorpgs are there that can charge a monthly subscription right now? And of those how many will go FTP in a few more months?
It makes no sense for EVE to become more like the competition. |
Don Purple
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Posted - 2015.01.29 09:57:55 -
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This will only make us better, the day tripping awoxer may be at a loss. I look forward to the way people will feel safer.
Oh it is going to be glorious snuggles.
Don
I am just here to snuggle.
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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.01.29 14:01:01 -
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EvE? Battlefield? CoD?
All the same, the wannabee-toughies cry rivers when their toy gets nerved. Pathetic! So No! One less easy and cheap kill! You wannabe bad guys have to put up more effort.
No EvE is not getting to soft, "Hyperdunking" is considered valid game mechanic. Another gift for the wannabe bad-asses.
Beeing a wannabee bad-ass in EvE is easy enough...
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Concord Guy's Cousin
State War Academy Caldari State
492
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Posted - 2015.01.29 14:30:11 -
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La Rynx wrote:EvE? Battlefield? CoD? All the same, the wannabee-toughies cry rivers when their toy gets nerved. Not half as much as the (s)carebears do when CCP change their toys. Speak for yourself.
Quote:So No! One less easy and cheap kill! You wannabe bad guys have to put up more effort. They put far more effort into their gameplay than their targets do. The criminal element will adapt to the changes, and then people like you will demand that CCP nerf them again because you can't be bothered to do the same.
Quote:No EvE is not getting to soft, "Hyperdunking" is considered valid game mechanic. Another gift for the wannabe bad-asses. How is it a gift? It's hilariously easy to disrupt a hyperdunk if you put in a little effort and have a basic knowledge of game mechanics.
Quote:Beeing a wannabee bad-ass in EvE is easy enough... Apparently so is being a troll.
ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries"
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Solonius Rex
F0RCED ENTRY F0RCED ENTRY.
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Posted - 2015.01.29 15:41:02 -
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As long as the default is "Awox allowed" and not "Awox off", im sure there will still be some very good opportunities to awox. A lot of people are unaware of this upcoming change, after all. |
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
1318
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Posted - 2015.01.29 16:04:33 -
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I have always felt that "Intra-corp aggression" should be something that the CEO of a corp can set. Not because of AWOXing, but because when you are in charge of a corp, you should get to decide how your corp operates.*
Things like recruitment scams, tax scams, corp theft, etc. are all easier if there are more players in or joining player corps. It's pretty much a given that the threat of AWOXing has kept a lot of players out of player corps, and that providing an option to disable it should encourage more players to join player corps. So while AWOXing per se will be come harder, there will be increased opportunities for other...nefarious behaviors.
I see this as win-win. AWOXers will just have to step up their game, and may potentially get bigger rewards for doing so.
*Side note: I feel like changing the Intra-corp aggression status of a corp should come with at least a 48 hour warning. (I'd say 24 hour, but with the 24 hour cooldown period for dropping roles, you'd need 48 hours total to leave with 24 hours notice.)
My Many Misadventures
Reading Comprehension: so important it deserves it's own skillbook.
I seek to create content, not become content.
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Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
726
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Posted - 2015.01.29 16:06:03 -
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Pro-tip: This change removes the open ability to remove riskless, "I just received easy invite" hunting corps that just invite instantly. It doesn't change the fact that you can still pull the trigger in high sec with CONCORD showing up, still doesn't change that you are hanging out in high sec hiding behind CONCORD regardless of how many people live in high sec (irony, pot calling the kettle black when it gets sandblasted and both are in high sec), still doesn't change the fact that you are afraid to lose a ship in high sec that isn't a destroyer cause you need high damage to pop a ship before CONCORD shows up, still afraid to talk to someone and convince them to go somewhere where you can attack them......It just makes it harder to open fire, nothing else changes. Being in a corp as it is now, is like being in low sec, and CONCORD doesn't respond either way....its weird that you would whine about it unless you want riskless combat while being the predator with no repercussions . Roll with it and challenge yourself, stop whining unless you can all agree that CCP should implement a 15% highsec across the board tax on all transactions in highsec (ship loss tax for both the ganker and gankee, market, mission bounty, POS tax, sec status tax, jump tax, CONCORD intervention tax, war dec tax on top of fee, corp skipping tax, corp creation tax, ect ect use your imagination and just make highsec miserable to live in ) |
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