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Wrangler	Posted - 2006.09.28 16:28:00 - [1] Why is Oveur getting hairier? How come reverse engineering is now called invention? Why doesn't Clover do graphics? And what does the Loch Ness Monster have to do with any of it? All this and more will be answered in this Blog. Wrangler Assistant Community Manager EVE Online Contact Support - Contact Moderators - Report Bug - Submit News Leads Knowledge Base - Player Guide - Policies - Join ISD - Fan Submissions

Ampoliros Phantom Knights	Posted - 2006.09.28 16:31:00 - [2] Edited by: Ampoliros on 28/09/2006 16:31:11 First ! One question - the blog states something like "anything with a t2 equivalent can be invented"; does this include, say, Cargo Expander 2s? (which don't currently exist in-game, but do in some odd database fashion) ------------------------------------ My newest smartbomb destroyer:

Tirg Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.09.28 16:31:00 - [3] Because we gave him HGH, and called it a beer? Now your sig is mine MUAHAHAHAHAHA - Xorus

lofty29 Gallente Praxiteles Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.28 16:36:00 - [4] Edited by: lofty29 on 28/09/2006 16:36:32 3rd! Good blog! Oh, and tirg. Feel free to vandalize my sig even more --------------------------- Yarr, I be teh griefz0r! I pwnz0r your sig, muahaha - Tirg Noes i got beat by a girl >.< - Xorus
Quutar Caldari M3rcs Inc	Posted - 2006.09.28 16:37:00 - [5] so it will be possible to invent with out having any R&D agents? earlier blogs said that the data cores would only come from R&D agents... but it seams they can be drops also? sonofabeachballbouncingmarymotherfiretrucker
Mesuno	Posted - 2006.09.28 16:37:00 - [6] Yes - clarification on currently unseeded T2 items would be great. Cargo expander II's were the first thing that popped into my head when i read that!
Robet Oneagle Minmatar Starfield United Technologies LLP	Posted - 2006.09.28 16:38:00 - [7] It says Quote: Finally, you need the racial Encryption skills to use the Data Interfaces. These skills are already in the game, but currently are associated with pirate factions (i.e. Angel Encryption Methods). Once Revelations hits the street these skills will be associated with the empires instead (so Angel Encryption Methods becomes Minmatar Encryption Methods). This does not affect those that already have the skill. So what would happen to the 'Jolt' BPCs? Would I be able to use Minmatar Encryption Methods or would it remain as Angel? If still Angel how could I get hold of the skill if it no longer exists? Originally by: Deakin Frost Hell, I even see light bending around your posts...
Quutar Caldari M3rcs Inc	Posted - 2006.09.28 16:38:00 - [8] Originally by: Mesuno Yes - clarification on currently unseeded T2 items would be great. Cargo expander II's were the first thing that popped into my head when i read that! i was thinking of cap power relay II and shield power relay II my self sonofabeachballbouncingmarymotherfiretrucker
Geid Muchan	Posted - 2006.09.28 16:39:00 - [9] ....having problems with the flowcharts loading :( But thanks for the explanations so far and looking forward to heralding of new times!
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.09.28 16:41:00 - [10] This whole system sounds incredibly awesome. -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
MOOstradamus	Posted - 2006.09.28 16:42:00 - [11] Will the various 'Encryption Methods' skills now be seeded on the Market then MOOCIFER Emerald/Alpha Oldtimer
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation	Posted - 2006.09.28 16:45:00 - [12] 's good and all, but is anyone else having trouble loading the images? staff.ccpgames.com seems a bit slow. Additionally, there seems to be three different outcomes when you invent on certain BPCs. Take the Atron BPC. You get either of: Nothing Ares Taranis ... Wait... That's two outcomes. Nothing or a Taranis. DOH. Now for the question. Since datacores and whatnot might be quite expensive, are we ever going to have the less desirable ships, such as the Ares or Raptor, fixed so that we don't waste our RPs? It's not an issue with BPCs where there's only one outcome, but especially with the Atron and Condor it's critical since one result is really good and the other result is nearly trash-item-worthy. - Three years old
Hoshi DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.28 16:49:00 - [13] What about items that have no t1 version like covert ops cloak?
Joerd Toastius Octavian Vanguard	Posted - 2006.09.28 16:49:00 - [14] So... prototype cloaks.
Sirial Soulfly	Posted - 2006.09.28 16:50:00 - [15] Its certainly sounds great, reading this and other blogs there seems to be a tsunami of new features coming to us all soon. Reading this particular blog more closely I think that the stranglehold that most of the t2 bpo owners have on eve's market will not be broken whatsoever, I expect invention to use up lots of isk and skill time investements. So to those expecting cheaper ships after revelations best not hold their breath.
Phoenix Jones	Posted - 2006.09.28 16:53:00 - [16] Maybe I read it wrong but I'd like some clarification. The BPC. If we buy a BPO, and make BPC's, we can use those BPC's in our inventing process? We don't have to loot bpc's (this is where I believe I've misread). Also. If we choose to now, could we start researching BPO's now in preparation for inventing BPC Tech II blueprints? Or will they be reset (recreated) and we'll have to just buy all new BPO's when kali/revelation releases? ---------------The Low Sec Issue------------- Gatecamps that kill all who pass with no remorse and in many cases, no possible way of retaliation, is not PVP.
Ampoliros Phantom Knights	Posted - 2006.09.28 16:55:00 - [17] Originally by: Mesuno Yes - clarification on currently unseeded T2 items would be great. Cargo expander II's were the first thing that popped into my head when i read that! Other possibilities include Warp Disruptor/Scrambler 2s, Stasis web 2s, Heavy Nos 2s, CPR 2s, Nanofiber2s... Although, I'm certain tech2 capacitor rechargers and HACs will drop a bit in price with this, too, which is good. :P ------------------------------------ My newest smartbomb destroyer:
Harisdrop Gallente RONA Deepspace Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.09.28 16:56:00 - [18] I want tech II FOF cruise
MOOstradamus	Posted - 2006.09.28 16:56:00 - [19] Quote: Also. If we choose to now, could we start researching BPO's now in preparation for inventing BPC Tech II blueprints? Or will they be reset (recreated) and we'll have to just buy all new BPO's when kali/revelation releases? Why on Earth would existing BPO's be reset MOOCIFER Emerald/Alpha Oldtimer
Harisdrop Gallente RONA Deepspace Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.09.28 16:59:00 - [20] Originally by: MOOstradamus Will the various 'Encryption Methods' skills now be seeded on the Market then I think your the same guy that asked for the Shield and Armor compensation skill to be seeded before Castor was released also the new highway. Some things never change.
Jet Collins Dynamic Endeavors	Posted - 2006.09.28 17:09:00 - [21] Edited by: Jet Collins on 28/09/2006 17:10:28 The items that have to be built from items found using comos/small profesions. Will these only be found in 0.0 or in safe space as well, just much more rare? If 0.0 than the damn aliances still have control over t2 stuff Otherwise great stuff sound svery fun and exciting.
marioman Caldari Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.09.28 17:14:00 - [22] Edited by: marioman on 28/09/2006 17:16:00 Sounds nice and all but this sounds way too overly complex and way too much work for a lousy bpc (especially considering its going to be a crappy quality BPC, ME -50 anyone?) when ppl dont have to do anything to get a bpo. Also means any1 wanting to invent is goin to have to spend a couple months aquiring all the skills needed, and whats with needing all those parts? Whatever happened to simple crap, stickin something in a slot and lettin it work for a week, and just have to pay out isk. Are rigs going to be this tedious and time consuming??
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.28 17:17:00 - [23] "Another note on ships: Some tech I ships have more than 1 tech II equivalent (such as Rifter -> Wolf/Jaguar). Currently, if you use for instance a Rifter blueprint as the basis youÆll get either Wolf or Jaguar (randomly determined)." So you want to build a Vagabond worth 280 mill and you end up with a Muninn worth 95 mill... hmm. This will not be appriciated. By the way... the pictures for the blog is on staff.ccpgames.com, which seems very slow... --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Caerleus Board of Twenty	Posted - 2006.09.28 17:18:00 - [24] Looks good...well..the writing does..didnt mamage to see the pictures as they seemed to have become 'lost'... So will the Invention skill be a high level skill? Like need Research to lvl5 etc? Eve is like a new girlfriend - you know its going down at some point, its just when and for how long.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.28 17:21:00 - [25] Originally by: Dark Shikari This whole system sounds incredibly awesome. I think it sounds like too much work to be worth it, but I guess im lazy. :) --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Emily Spankratchet Minmatar Pragmatics	Posted - 2006.09.28 17:22:00 - [26] Sounds great, although I'll be very interested to see how the statistics pan out. Obviously you don't want to flood the galaxy with easily available T2 stuff but conversely you don't want to make the chance of getting a shiny exciting BPC vanishingly remote. A tricky balancing act. Watching the prices of T2 stuff will be interesting. I'm assuming that there will be a lag phase when this comes in while people frantically scramble around to get data interfaces and the like. Then there will be data interfaces on escrow for huge amounts of money. And a rush on cruiser BPOs. Production will pick up and, with any luck, prices will drop a bit.
Joerd Toastius Octavian Vanguard	Posted - 2006.09.28 17:24:00 - [27] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 28/09/2006 17:19:47 Originally by: blog Another note on ships: Some tech I ships have more than 1 tech II equivalent (such as Rifter -> Wolf/Jaguar). Currently, if you use for instance a Rifter blueprint as the basis youÆll get either Wolf or Jaguar (randomly determined). So you want to build a Vagabond worth 280 mill and you end up with a Muninn worth 95 mill... hmm. This will not be appriciated. Dude, if you're trying to build a Vaga and getting a Muninn, I'd suggest you try again using a Stabber as the base hull instead of a Rupture. Just a thought ;)
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.28 17:26:00 - [28] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 28/09/2006 17:26:38 Originally by: Joerd Toastius Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 28/09/2006 17:19:47 Originally by: blog Another note on ships: Some tech I ships have more than 1 tech II equivalent (such as Rifter -> Wolf/Jaguar). Currently, if you use for instance a Rifter blueprint as the basis youÆll get either Wolf or Jaguar (randomly determined). So you want to build a Vagabond worth 280 mill and you end up with a Muninn worth 95 mill... hmm. This will not be appriciated. Dude, if you're trying to build a Vaga and getting a Muninn, I'd suggest you try again using a Stabber as the base hull instead of a Rupture. Just a thought ;) Brainfart ftl. :) --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.09.28 17:32:00 - [29] So, with the randomisation of incention, a few guesses: Condor -> Raptor/Crow Heron -> Buzzard Kestrel -> Manticore Merlin -> Harpy/Hawk Moa -> Eagle Caracal -> Cerberus Blackbird -> Falcon/Rook Osprey -> Basilisk And so on...? What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass!
FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.09.28 17:33:00 - [30] Oh, and flowcharts borked for me too. What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass!

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