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Helganstandt Finis Lumen Muffins of Mayhem	Posted - 2006.09.29 16:09:00 - [61] Originally by: Rennard It`s a great war for pirates. Now they will try to blob each other while we will kill their money makers in their own space freely. See the opportunity boys! this is our time! Actually, the best way is to camp one of the pipes out of a major war zone and pick off stragglers as they go back home. We did that when ASCN/AXE brought 100+ people to HED to kill some POS or another. We killed tons of lone t2'd out BSes on their way home, and made a few hundred mil each. That was one of the best nights I had in EVE. It's too bad we won't be nearer to the conflict ________________________________
Izo Azlion Veto.	Posted - 2006.09.29 16:11:00 - [62] Maybe in a years time the South will be open again, and war wont fill the depths of space with lights and explosions. And pigs might fly. MC, I hope one of the sides does hire you, I'm sure it'd tip the battle in their favour quite dramatically, and that said, maybe hasten the dimise of one of the two largest and most successful Alliance in New Eden. Interesting times. Combat has evolved, hasnt it? Izo Azlion. ---
killerco Gallente Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.29 16:19:00 - [63] Edited by: killerco on 29/09/2006 16:19:12 Originally by: Izo Azlion MC, I hope one of the sides does hire you, I'm sure it'd tip the battle in their favour quite dramatically, If one off "the sides" hire the MC too join the battle it will be 1 hell off a price that has too be paid i guess Don't be a great man just be a man
Rau'ric Fitzrovia Twisted Attitude	Posted - 2006.09.29 16:21:00 - [64] Originally by: Seleene Edited by: Seleene on 29/09/2006 10:58:24 Right now, my main concern is keeping my people focused on our current job of assisting UK & ISS these last few days with making sure 9UY and the surrounding area is truly secure. The MC is not going to drop everything just because the galaxy is getting turned upside down. Our operational area is well known and small at the moment. If people are smart, they will leave us to that and not try to interfere. However, much as Eddz has said, my inbox is alight as well. I've spent much of the last 24 hours smothered by convos, mails, and MSN spammage. I've been in contact with most of the principals on this matter and a great number of interested third parties as well. This war is bringing out the band-waggoners for sure, and the amount of ISK being waved about right now is pretty sobering. Regardless, IÆm in no hurry to make a choice in this conflict. We will study our available options and eventually accept what we deem to be the best offer on the table. A large percentage of the Eve community probably expect the MC to align themselves in some capacity with Bob, due to, well, tinfoil hattery in the main. But in terms of sheer "omg wtf's gonna happen now??!" the same percentage of Eve community probably hopes the MC fight against Bob. The latter could transform the forthcoming conflict from a possible "Bob attacks, ASCN defends (& lag wins)", into an anything goes right royal riot. Regards, Rau
Michuh Vortex. Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.29 16:34:00 - [65] Originally by: Seleene Edited by: Seleene on 29/09/2006 06:52:27 Originally by: Maria Ravenwind Who will side with whom? The MC is looking very carefully at the CURRENT POLITICAL SITUATION in order to determine our path forward. Damn very little gets past Seleene here.. Its true, my alts Remedial.. and my mains Maggot. Maelstrom Recruitment
Heraios Caldari CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.09.29 16:38:00 - [66] Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Here is a simple question, as I see it: If ASCN is not concerned about this conflict (in fact, they post in the other threads that they welcome this), then why are they attempting to recruit every corporation they can to come help them fight, including BOB renters? A better question is, why wouldn't they? Why would an alliance ignore diplomatic possibilities for strengthening their hand on the eve of a major war? To show off? I'm sure they could also promise to only defend every third POS and make their pilots mouse left-handed, but I rather doubt they will. There is a difference between entering a conflict with confidence, and artificially limiting your options for the sake of showing off your mighty man essence. The first is important. The second would be foolish. null
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.09.29 18:00:00 - [67] Edited by: Yodaron Ballsithor on 29/09/2006 18:02:34 Originally by: Heraios Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Here is a simple question, as I see it: If ASCN is not concerned about this conflict (in fact, they post in the other threads that they welcome this), then why are they attempting to recruit every corporation they can to come help them fight, including BOB renters? A better question is, why wouldn't they? Why would an alliance ignore diplomatic possibilities for strengthening their hand on the eve of a major war? To show off? I'm sure they could also promise to only defend every third POS and make their pilots mouse left-handed, but I rather doubt they will. There is a difference between entering a conflict with confidence, and artificially limiting your options for the sake of showing off your mighty man essence. The first is important. The second would be foolish. ASCN is the largest alliance in the game. They should easily be able to field sufficient pilots to deal with pretty much any threat. Apparently their bark is much greater than their bite? Some people stand on their merits. Others do not. It is very simple in the end.
Idaeus Gallente Earned In Blood	Posted - 2006.09.29 18:01:00 - [68] Originally by: Helganstandt It's too bad we won't be nearer to the conflict Have guns. Will travel. +IOI?
Reddari Gallente Celestial Fleet	Posted - 2006.09.29 19:18:00 - [69] Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Here is a simple question, as I see it: If ASCN is not concerned about this conflict (in fact, they post in the other threads that they welcome this), then why are they attempting to recruit every corporation they can to come help them fight, including BOB renters? I fail to see how setting you from +2.5 to 0.0 is an attempt to recruit you? UNLESS! You deal in negative reality, in which case that was from 0.0 to +2.5!
NeoTech	Posted - 2006.09.29 19:23:00 - [70] Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Here is a simple question, as I see it: If ASCN is not concerned about this conflict (in fact, they post in the other threads that they welcome this), then why are they attempting to recruit every corporation they can to come help them fight, including BOB renters? I also thought it interesting that Cyvok has issued the command that if a corporation leaves ASCN during the current conflict it will be blacklisted. Boy, what a scary thought. 1. ASCN never welcomed the conflict, but BoB has been sending gank squads into our space for a month now without us doing it... So its finally nice to get BoB blood on our swords! 2. How is that interesting? its now that everythings heating up, THIS is the "last stand", if a corp doesn't want to sacrifice ISK and ships for an alliance why should they even be in the alliance then? I dont see any problem. Think, Write, Post. Please follow those instructions the next time u talk about something u know absolutely nothing about... Thanks.
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.09.29 19:49:00 - [71] Edited by: Yodaron Ballsithor on 29/09/2006 19:53:30 Originally by: Reddari Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Here is a simple question, as I see it: If ASCN is not concerned about this conflict (in fact, they post in the other threads that they welcome this), then why are they attempting to recruit every corporation they can to come help them fight, including BOB renters? I fail to see how setting you from +2.5 to 0.0 is an attempt to recruit you? UNLESS! You deal in negative reality, in which case that was from 0.0 to +2.5! Has nothing to do with me, my corp or FIX. Read my first post. You are trying to recruit BOB renters and anyone else to help you fight. Seems you need a coalition to handle an alliance which has way less members than you? Can you smell the fear?
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.09.29 19:53:00 - [72] Originally by: NeoTech Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Here is a simple question, as I see it: If ASCN is not concerned about this conflict (in fact, they post in the other threads that they welcome this), then why are they attempting to recruit every corporation they can to come help them fight, including BOB renters? I also thought it interesting that Cyvok has issued the command that if a corporation leaves ASCN during the current conflict it will be blacklisted. Boy, what a scary thought. 1. ASCN never welcomed the conflict, but BoB has been sending gank squads into our space for a month now without us doing it... So its finally nice to get BoB blood on our swords! 2. How is that interesting? its now that everythings heating up, THIS is the "last stand", if a corp doesn't want to sacrifice ISK and ships for an alliance why should they even be in the alliance then? I dont see any problem. Think, Write, Post. Please follow those instructions the next time u talk about something u know absolutely nothing about... Thanks. I am truely amazed at actually how little you know or can comprehend. I stated that the threat of blacklisting was pretty much a joke. If I were in a corp that was in ASCN and ran from the conflict and left ASCN, I would expect to be "blacklisted." How is that supposed to scare me into staying in ASCN and fighting for it? Sometimes I am amazed with folks who think that these kinds of threats are meaningful.
Daald Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.29 20:01:00 - [73] Quote: If I were in a corp that was in ASCN and ran from the conflict and left ASCN, I would expect to be "blacklisted." 1- What was written was not written for you. Internal blog and all that. 2- Sometimes the obvious is stated. Why quibble over it? ___________________________________________ Logic is a systematic method of coming to the wrong conclusion with confidence. -Murphy
TheTruth1	Posted - 2006.09.29 20:02:00 - [74] Your bashing ASCN because in an internal forum CYVOK said soemthing which you feel is too obvious. If you cant come up with a good argument to make ppl hate ASCN, just stop trying. I think you are making FIX's position in this war clear.
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.09.29 20:09:00 - [75] Originally by: TheTruth1 Your bashing ASCN because in an internal forum CYVOK said soemthing which you feel is too obvious. If you cant come up with a good argument to make ppl hate ASCN, just stop trying. I think you are making FIX's position in this war clear. I have no idea what FIX's position is tbh. You will have to ask Valhallen or Avernus that. Honestly, if you folks cannot handle simple, factual observations, there is little wonder, at least in my mind, why you blindly follow the goose that laid the golden egg. Oh, and you are prohibited from posting in this forum, correct? Go away now, troll.
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.09.29 20:12:00 - [76] Originally by: Daald Quote: If I were in a corp that was in ASCN and ran from the conflict and left ASCN, I would expect to be "blacklisted." 1- What was written was not written for you. Internal blog and all that. 2- Sometimes the obvious is stated. Why quibble over it? What was written was an attempt to scare ASCN membership into not cutting and running from conflict. There are certainly better ways of accomplishing that instead of threatening a "blacklisting" that has little meaning and less relevance, like, for instance, teaching them how to pvp and supporting them in the effort. The way people interact in this game is very important when it comes down to the "nut cutting" so-to-speak. Threatening accomplishes little. Supporting accomplishes quite a lot. If ASCN leadership is worried about folks cutting and running, then that says something about the corporations ASCN recruits into it's fold, does it not? It also says something about how the leadership treats the membership, does it not?
liquidism Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.09.29 20:15:00 - [77] Originally by: Helganstandt Originally by: Rennard It`s a great war for pirates. Now they will try to blob each other while we will kill their money makers in their own space freely. See the opportunity boys! this is our time! Actually, the best way is to camp one of the pipes out of a major war zone and pick off stragglers as they go back home. We did that when ASCN/AXE brought 100+ people to HED to kill some POS or another. We killed tons of lone t2'd out BSes on their way home, and made a few hundred mil each. That was one of the best nights I had in EVE. It's too bad we won't be nearer to the conflict the two small towers my corp placed were SO worth it. hahah. they caused the 180 hobbits to stop mining and start blobbing. nice to hear it made your evening too
Daald Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.29 20:16:00 - [78] Quote: What was written was an attempt to scare ASCN membership into not cutting and running from conflict. There are certainly better ways of accomplishing that instead of threatening a "blacklisting" that has little meaning and less relevance, like, for instance, teaching them how to pvp and supporting them in the effort. The way people interact in this game is very important when it comes down to the "nut cutting" so-to-speak. Threatening accomplishes little. Supporting accomplishes quite a lot. If ASCN leadership is worried about folks cutting and running, then that says something about the corporations ASCN recruits into it's fold, does it not? It also says something about how the leadership treats the membership, does it not? Did you not just say before that it was understood that blacklisting a corp that runs/doesn't fight when the times are tough is something that WILL happen in every alliance? If that is so then you are simply reading too much into it. It's just a simple fact that was simply said out loud just in case there was confusion in the matter. That's all. Again...why are we wasting bandwidth on this trivial matter? ___________________________________________ Logic is a systematic method of coming to the wrong conclusion with confidence. -Murphy
TheTruth1	Posted - 2006.09.29 20:19:00 - [79] "factual Observations".. lol, You think that your opinion is a fact. Your opinion means nothing. You arent in the conflict, you arent an alliance leader, and your alliance hasnt exactly been that sucessful either. When you run an alliance that is 1/10th as sucessful as ASCN, then you can comment on whether what CYVOK does to motivate ppl is the best path. Im sure that none of FIXs members left when you got owned by BOB.
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.09.29 20:22:00 - [80] Originally by: Daald Quote: What was written was an attempt to scare ASCN membership into not cutting and running from conflict. There are certainly better ways of accomplishing that instead of threatening a "blacklisting" that has little meaning and less relevance, like, for instance, teaching them how to pvp and supporting them in the effort. The way people interact in this game is very important when it comes down to the "nut cutting" so-to-speak. Threatening accomplishes little. Supporting accomplishes quite a lot. If ASCN leadership is worried about folks cutting and running, then that says something about the corporations ASCN recruits into it's fold, does it not? It also says something about how the leadership treats the membership, does it not? Did you not just say before that it was understood that blacklisting a corp that runs/doesn't fight when the times are tough is something that WILL happen in every alliance? If that is so then you are simply reading too much into it. It's just a simple fact that was simply said out loud just in case there was confusion in the matter. That's all. Again...why are we wasting bandwidth on this trivial matter? Could I not ask the same question as to why you or your alliance would bother to waste the bandwith on your internal forums for the same reason? WTS Clue Have Fun All.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.09.29 20:22:00 - [81] the above poster needs to be deleted from these forums.. where are the mods when you need them... alts are not welcome here anymore. As for Yodaron.. you have no idea.... Yodaron has been a leader in this game since it started. You will not find a man who is held in more esteem by his peers in the whole game.
Gierling Gallente Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.29 20:25:00 - [82] Thetruth1 is a nutless alt, and as such does not represent ASCN. Please ban him, this is not the first thread he has trolled.
Daald Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.29 20:26:00 - [83] Quote: Could I not ask the same question as to why you or your alliance would bother to waste the bandwith on your internal forums for the same reason? Of course you can. So please post in that thread in our internal forums chastising CYVOK for wasting bandwidth. ___________________________________________ Logic is a systematic method of coming to the wrong conclusion with confidence. -Murphy
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.09.29 20:30:00 - [84] Originally by: Daald Quote: Could I not ask the same question as to why you or your alliance would bother to waste the bandwith on your internal forums for the same reason? Of course you can. So please post in that thread in our internal forums chastising CYVOK for wasting bandwidth. Why would I chastize him there? He has all of Eve staring him straight in the eye, and so far all he has done is blinked. Oh, and just so you know. We do not post crappy threats like that on our forums. Of course, we do not expect folks to cut and run when the heat gets cranked up either. The CODA wars should have told everyone in Eve that.
Daald Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.29 20:33:00 - [85] Quote: Why would I chastize him there? He has all of Eve staring him straight in the eye, and so far all he has done is blinked. Oh, and just so you know. We do not post crappy threats like that on our forums. Of course, we do not expect folks to cut and run when the heat gets cranked up either. The CODA wars should have told everyone in Eve that. Thank you Yoda. That's all I wanted from you. PS. How FIX handles their internal business is no business of mine. ___________________________________________ Logic is a systematic method of coming to the wrong conclusion with confidence. -Murphy
Heldane Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2006.09.29 20:38:00 - [86] Hiring mercenaries to disrupt BoB supply lines and draw defenders away from the battle lines is simply good tactics if you have deep enough pockets to fund such a venture. I'm sure ASCN is taking this war very seriously and if they intend to come out victorious they must use every advantage they have, the primary one being a huge industrial base to draw the ISK necessary to tip the scales in their favor. To risk losing a war of this magnitude over the maintenance of an inflated ego would be sheer folly on their part.
Dradara	Posted - 2006.09.29 20:57:00 - [87] Edited by: Dradara on 29/09/2006 20:58:00
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.09.29 21:00:00 - [88] Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor I also thought it interesting that Cyvok has issued the command that if a corporation leaves ASCN during the current conflict it will be blacklisted. Boy, what a scary thought. That's the way it should be. Freeloaders be damned. FREEE is Recruiting
Helganstandt Finis Lumen Muffins of Mayhem	Posted - 2006.09.29 21:03:00 - [89] You know, as much as this would be a really cool war to watch if everything ran smoothly, I think both sides of the conflict know that it's not a possibility to actuall kill one alliance or the other. With the size of the conflicts to come, the amount of node deaths will be staggering, and even with the ultimate camping endurance of BoB, I imagine they will tire of it eventually as well. I think despite what everyone would like to see happen, we all have to admit that a phsyical destruction of an alliance as deeply inbedded as BoB or ASCN/AXE is just flat out impossible with the current game mechanics. I'm guessing that on some level, both sides of the conflict know this, and are just doing this to see how far they can get with current game-mechanics (and I don't blame them either. I actually would encourage it. These things need to be tested to give CCP an idea of what to expect from the player base in the future so they can better prepare for it) I really only see one of these alliances dying by internal reasons. Like a backstab so amazingly huge, Julius Caeser would actually rise from the dead just to say "wow, now THAT'S screwed up." Now, there's no telling whether something like that would happen, but it's really the only possibility I can think of. The way you beat the big alliances in this game is through politics. Until game mechanics allow for the massive erection inducing battles of 400+ people with cap ships, hundreds of fighters and drones, and all at a large POS with reasonable lag, I don't see this conflict going anywhere except the following: -BoB claiming victory by having a good kill ratio -BoB claiming defeat/stalemate with a bit of humility saying game mechanics did not allow them to accomplish their objectives. And all the while, CYVOK will be too busy looking into his eve-mirror telling himself that us mere peons just don't fully understand his "greatness." So yeah, in the end, no one will be victorious in my opinion. I do however VERY MUCH look forward to the forum wars. I seriously look forward to fraps updates, and screenshot war stories of how one side is WTFPWNING the other side. That stuff is better than my day-time soaps. So in a sense, yeah, this is what I've been waiting for. ________________________________
Xlander Reaver Inc United Confederation of Corporations	Posted - 2006.09.29 21:06:00 - [90] Originally by: Riddari Originally by: Seleene Edited by: Seleene on 29/09/2006 06:52:27 Originally by: Maria Ravenwind Who will side with whom? The MC is looking very carefully at the CURRENT POLITICAL SITUATION in order to determine our path forward. Who is UCC and where is AXE? UCC is United Confederation of Corporations, we are part of the Coalition and if you check ASCN standings you will see we are blue to you

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