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Murukan
Minmatar
The Priory
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Posted - 2006.09.29 20:20:00 -
[91]
 Originally by: Malachon Draco
CCP sets the rules. Anything CCP doesn't consider an exploit is fair game apparently.
We've learned this the hard way, but we've learned it well.
CCP makes the rules, if you don't like 'em, talk to CCP, not to me. Because I don't give a ****.
Heh you're a tool.
God this is like watching that virginia senator's campaign. ASCN has gone from respected to crap by their on idiot remarks in the period of about a day.
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Masta Killa
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.09.29 20:25:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Nez Perces
You know thats exactly what Burn Eden said when they were berrated for their merc photoshop scan.
You mean that time Shin Ra got hundreds of people all worked up and then subsequently incredibly ****ed off?
Good times indeed...
And as Heinky put it, we don't give a **** <3
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.09.29 20:27:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Masta Killa
And as Heinky put it, we don't give a **** <3
heh.. well apparently neither do ASCN.. maybe you guys have more in common than you ever suspected...
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Kaninrail
Caldari
Ars Caelestis
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.29 20:27:00 -
[94]
original post, /signed. I will not assist OR ABIDE any use of exploitive tactics by myself, my allies, or my enemies.
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.09.29 20:29:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Kaninrail
original post, /signed. I will not assist OR ABIDE any use of exploitive tactics by myself, my allies, or my enemies.
maybe the upstanding pilots in ASCN like yourself, should let Cyvok and John McReedy know on your internal forums how you feel....
They obviously see things differently.
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Moonlight Express
Amarr
Moonlight Express Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.29 20:40:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Havras
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The fighting has started in GQ2... looks like equal numbers lost on both sides so far.
...
Really? From the looks of it, that does not appear to be tha case. Better re-check your numbers.
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Fitz Chivalry
eXceed Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.29 20:44:00 -
[97]
Originally by: KSUDruid
eXceed Inc. - We Fly with Exploiters, can you say the sameÖ
You know it is not true yet you post it anyways. sigh. 
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Marko Debreault
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.09.29 20:52:00 -
[98]
I don't think that ASCN will do any metagaming. I feel that it would just be suicide for them to do so.
If serious, sustained combat ever comes to ASCN they'll die in hordes and droves. The only thing that will hold them together will be sentiments such as this one. Try reconciling that sentiment with the philosophy of metagaming; it just won't work. If they used metagaming tactics they would tear themselves apart.
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Gierling
Gallente
Celestial Fleet
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.29 21:00:00 -
[99]
I can state unequivocally that ASCN Will not use any tactics deemed to be exploits.
If any tactics used are found questionable, I encourage you to petition them immedietly.
Upon reciept of an explicit warning from a GM that something is considered an exploit its use will be disallowed alliance wide.
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analev godder
The Syndicate Inc
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.29 21:33:00 -
[100]
/Op signed.
I will fight till the last isk, till my last fitting. But never shall i run to exploits or borderline 'tactics'. No one can or will force me to that. This is a line i have set since the day i started playing games. This is a line i will not cross.
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XoPhyte
Out Siders
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.29 21:35:00 -
[101]
/signed
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Xendie
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.09.29 21:46:00 -
[102]
Edited by: Xendie on 29/09/2006 21:46:31
Originally by: XoPhyte
/signed
rofl
OUT S tactics image #1
OUT S tactics image #2
OUT S tactics image #3
Quote:
Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
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PirateSpy
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Posted - 2006.09.29 21:53:00 -
[103]
Edited by: PirateSpy on 29/09/2006 21:54:21
/signed
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Son Xo
Celestial Fleet
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.29 21:55:00 -
[104]
/signed
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Drakma
Celestial Fleet
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.29 22:35:00 -
[105]
Mods, can you please clean the flaming out of this thread (or merge it to the "other" thread). This is a thread for those pilots (regardless of alliance/corp) to post that they will "Play Hard but Play Fair."
In the end, the only "control" I have over other people in my alliance is CTRL+Q. Will I be upset if I find ASCNers using exploits in game? You betcha. If I find somebody in ASCN exploiting will I turn them in? You betcha.
In the end, I play to be as honorable as possible as that is the person I am in life.
Please leave the bickering for the "other" thread and let this one serve its purpose.
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Devoras2
Amarr
Confederation of Red Moon
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.29 22:54:00 -
[106]
/signed
And this thread is turning to a ASCN-BoB flamefest. Plz guys, chill.
Dev
And they call me slow.... hey! Thats an insult!
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Irimi Nage
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.30 01:18:00 -
[107]
Everyone already signed it when they created their accounts.
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Thorjak
Confederation of Red Moon
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.30 01:51:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Irimi Nage
Everyone already signed it when they created their accounts.
ORLY?
/signed
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pershphanie
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.30 02:08:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Devoras2
/signed
And this thread is turning to a ASCN-BoB flamefest. Plz guys, chill.
Dev
Thats because this pledge has proven meaningless to ASCN. Seems you guys have every intent of fighting dirty.
even so...
/signed
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Xendie
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.09.30 02:09:00 -
[110]
updated with chatlogs and added screenies
it kinda clearly shows that ASCN very much do promote any type of lag tactics that they can think of.
and by bob's statements alot of hobbits had bookmarks in their cargo to create lag.
everyone knows that i dont have a sweet spot for bob at all, its just that i dislike cheaters and exploiters more.
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Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
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pershphanie
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.30 02:12:00 -
[111]
Edited by: pershphanie on 30/09/2006 02:12:59
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Devoras2
Amarr
Confederation of Red Moon
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.30 02:15:00 -
[112]
Originally by: pershphanie
Originally by: Devoras2
/signed
And this thread is turning to a ASCN-BoB flamefest. Plz guys, chill.
Dev
Thats because this pledge has proven meaningless to ASCN. Seems you guys have every intent of fighting dirty.
even so...
/signed
There is a saying. In love and war everything is allowed. Laws and rules are usually forgotten during war. But with this pledge most of us are showing reassurance it wont happen. Not good enough for you?
Dev
And they call me slow.... hey! Thats an insult!
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pershphanie
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.30 02:23:00 -
[113]
Edited by: pershphanie on 30/09/2006 02:23:42
Originally by: Devoras2
There is a saying. In love and war everything is allowed. Laws and rules are usually forgotten during war. But with this pledge most of us are showing reassurance it wont happen. Not good enough for you?
Dev
I disagree. Ive fought in many wars. Ive never once tryed to bend the rules of the game. There is a good reason people shouldnt create lagbombs/lagstars. It makes the game less fun for everyone. If you are in an alliance that does this and you dont do something about it than you might as well be creating the lagbombs yourself. You are just as guilty.
Im still waiting for an appology from ASCN leadership and their insurence they will no longer use these tactics.
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Insidious
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.09.30 02:25:00 -
[114]
remember, [email protected] for fastest responces to situations like exploits
if malken hasnt petitioned he bloody should
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Xendie
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.09.30 02:37:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Insidious
remember, [email protected] for fastest responces to situations like exploits
if malken hasnt petitioned he bloody should
i did but neither CCP or Cyvok took any action against the ones doing it.
[OUT S] is still a member of ASCN and the mail i recieved from cyvok stating something like "we never condone this and they will be punished" i took as a play for the gallery as he didnt kick out the offenders from the alliance wich makes him defacto just as guilty in my eyes.
allowing exploiting to go on and not do anything about it or not saying stop is just as bad as exploiting yourself.
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Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
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Rikeka
Amarr
Eye of God
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.09.30 02:44:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Brilliant.. thats the spirit.. good on you... I'm dead serious.
Now why can't ASCN command come onto the forums and say the same thing?
No disrespect ment, but you can`t expect someone to just answer you because you want to. First, maybe they never saw your questions on the other threads ¿Why Cyvok is not answering me, oh why?¿. Or maybe they don`t care about you questioning them. I`m new in Axiom, and I know little of it. I know even less of ASCN.
But reading CYVOK`s bio, I completely understand why can`t he logon and answer you once and for all. Now, you can try to fasten up this process by posting on their forums, or even better: EvE-mailing him directly. You can always write your local voted representant/s to express your disgust that CYVOK`s rl issues take priority above EvE and your question (Yes, I`m joking; as said before, no disrespect ment)
Judging by the quality of some of the posts I`ve read from you, you are not the average somewhat-stupid poster 99% of the rest of the community is... So I bet you can make a email which is worthy of a response.
Can I assure you he will respond you? No.
Can anyone assure you he will respond you? Most probably, the only one that can assure you such thing is CYVOK himself.
As for me, I`m sorry if anyone founds grammar mistake and/or a strange close attachment to reality on my post: 10 minutes for a work meeting, which can very well define my work for the next 10 years, and words escape me, so I use EvE, and the EvE-Forums, to escape my mundane and boring life.
Too much real life, let me make it up everyone: YARRR! YOUR GP OR HP!
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Devoras2
Amarr
Confederation of Red Moon
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.30 02:49:00 -
[117]
Originally by: pershphanie
Edited by: pershphanie on 30/09/2006 02:23:42
Originally by: Devoras2
There is a saying. In love and war everything is allowed. Laws and rules are usually forgotten during war. But with this pledge most of us are showing reassurance it wont happen. Not good enough for you?
Dev
I disagree. Ive fought in many wars. Ive never once tryed to bend the rules of the game. There is a good reason people shouldnt create lagbombs/lagstars. It makes the game less fun for everyone. If you are in an alliance that does this and you dont do something about it than you might as well be creating the lagbombs yourself. You are just as guilty.
Im still waiting for an appology from ASCN leadership and their insurence they will no longer use these tactics.
A commen strategy used by most parties is to take control of the scenario and make it boring for the enemy to do anything at all, given the game mechanics. AAA has proven to be masters of this with logon traps etc. Its VALID, although lame. But it serves their purpose. AAA`s enemies gets frustrated, annoyed, and doesnt want to engage or play. It works and AAA benefits from it, until CCP finds a way to do anything about it. So the best way for ASCN to deal with it, was to employ their tactics. But it was against AAA. We never intended to or aimed to use that tactic against BoB. Then you and you`re allied mates interpretations were wrong. As well goes for the posting of our forum pages for the whole community to see. Bad form indeed, which from my point of view was a very poor way to flame us for you guys to try to get the upper hand in support, to excuse your badly handled interpretations. /emote shakes head.
This will too be my last posting in this thread cause honestly, im getting sick and tired of accusations going back and forth. I came for a clean and good fight against BoB, which I intend to enjoy. If certain elements in ASCN or BoB decides to use uncommen tactics a la lagboms etc, then accuse the ones who did it, not the whole alliance. Most of us are innocent to the bone and wants a fair fight.
As for your apology, you might want to get them from the ones involved. The whole alliance is not on trial. Indivdual persons are, if you plan to go on your inquistion crusade of folly.
Dev
And they call me slow.... hey! Thats an insult!
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.09.30 02:56:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Rikeka
No disrespect ment, but you can`t expect someone to just answer you because you want to. First, maybe they never saw your questions on the other threads ¿Why Cyvok is not answering me, oh why?¿. Or maybe they don`t care about you questioning them.
.. fair point... which would have some merit, if it were not for what I am about to quote below, from the pendulum thread :
Originally by: Nez Perces
Now when are we gonna see an ASCN official come onto these forums and pledge to the EVE community that you will not be using your considerable resources to purposefully node crash the servers, should things not go your way on the battlefield?
Originally by: Cyvok
....... If I am given the choice of watching a station get obliterated from another system because CCP wont let me in to defend it or crashing the node by logging in 2000 ASCN members next store... Well, which woudl you choose?
-CYVOK-
.... see in that thread Cyvok already deemed the question worthy of answering. It doesn't have to be Cyvok that debunks the accusation of exploiting thrown at ASCN, it could be John McReedy, second in command or some other ASCN luminary.
Problem is that there has been evidence shown on these forums of several leading ASCN figures (including John), instigating their pilots to commit acts of borderline exploiting...
The truth is that it may already be too late, the die is cast.. and it really looks like all the mud is gonna stick... and frankly its gonna be a tough job for your leadership to clean it off.. thats assuming they actually want to.
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Drakma
Celestial Fleet
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.30 03:03:00 -
[119]
Mods, lock this thread. Seems there's far to many idiots in this game to comprehend what I was working for.
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XoPhyte
Out Siders
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.30 03:03:00 -
[120]
Edited by: XoPhyte on 30/09/2006 03:05:13
Originally by: Xendie
Originally by: Insidious
remember, [email protected] for fastest responces to situations like exploits
if malken hasnt petitioned he bloody should
i did but neither CCP or Cyvok took any action against the ones doing it.
[OUT S] is still a member of ASCN and the mail i recieved from cyvok stating something like "we never condone this and they will be punished" i took as a play for the gallery as he didnt kick out the offenders from the alliance wich makes him defacto just as guilty in my eyes.
allowing exploiting to go on and not do anything about it or not saying stop is just as bad as exploiting yourself.
Yep Malkien did petition it. GM's evemailed me about that email and they check our pos's and ships and logs (did a full investigation on me tbh). The fact is we never used the bm's amd the gm's can confirm this.
Pretty much 1 reason I sent that email. I was just absolutely pi**ed off that some other alliance were constantly using these sploits and NOTHING ever happened and we continued to lose ships due to these "sploits". I get pi**ed off just like anybody else in gang when the battlefield is completly 1 sided.
When you warp into an engagement and the you never load the grid and your entire fleet gets killed before anything load thats an issue. When this continues to happen over and over and we lose ships and have to fight against invincible pos's then thats an issue. When CCP ignores all of our petitions about it, thats an issue.
So yeah, I was ****ed off and sent a stupid evemail before I came to my senses. If your perfect then good for you, cause i'm not.
So yeah the evemail was deleted, and there were other conversations with Malkien talking about how these were stupid sploits and we only wanted CCP to fix the issue (if they would just fix the issue there would be no discussions needed). Malkien of course won't post those logs will ya Malkien?
So yeah, i'm stupid sometimes and write and say stupid things. I just get very mad when it seems like CCP continues to ignore the same issues over and over (just like the 8/10 complexes). I just don't know how you can fight against an ememy or pos's that you cannot even fire at.
I was happy to see the gm's question me about it, though they probably never did that to any other alliances. So yeah, I am sorry for posting such a stupid evemail. I'm sorry Malkien caught me at a time when I was ****ed off. I'm sorry for wanting to lag the servers so CCP would finally pay attention to the issue. I'm sorry Malkien took a screenshot before I could delete the evemail.
If you want to flame me, go for it, I deserve it. It was a stupid evemail out of pure frustration. However it's one of those things that you will send out but never actually act upon. Would be better if Malkien was not a coward and posted all the logs, but he (like me) may just be trying to get a point across. My point is to just have CCP fix the damn issue so these are not even questions (just make the BM's 50m3 each). Seems like such an easy fix to me. If I had used these exploits then CCP should have banned me (just like they should ban everybody else that does as well). They didn't ban me because the logs showed that I never used these tactics. Again it was one of those stupid impulsive things that all I can try to do is to keep my mouth shut when I am mad.
[edited for spelling]
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