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Amee Tindre	Posted - 2006.09.29 12:37:00 - [1] Has anyone really been banned for changing font in EVE? I love the game but I am getting a freaking headache trying to read it when I play in 1600x1200 res. Also, how do I find these "mods" with fonts that people have made? There are no links in this forums (for obvious reasons) but I would love to get my hands on new fonts so I can enjoy this game without headache. Maybe Eve is sponsored by a headache pill company? //Amee Tindre
Darius Shakor Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.09.29 12:40:00 - [2] Edited by: Darius Shakor on 29/09/2006 12:40:44 Modding the client is against the EULA you agree to every time you play the game. Not sure how that applies to fonts though. Yes the font is not great but a rule is a rule. Edit typo ------ Shakor Clan Information Portal http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=3
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.09.29 12:43:00 - [3] You're not allowed to, but I doubt they'll permaban you if they catch you--more likely a warning or tempban. However, there's an easier solution: play at a lower resolution with the Expanded font option. -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Amee Tindre	Posted - 2006.09.29 12:53:00 - [4] Originally by: Dark Shikari However, there's an easier solution: play at a lower resolution with the Expanded font option. That wouldn't work for me, I have a hard time finding space to put all my chat windows and other windows at it is. I just want a new font. I have no clue why on earth they don't allow us to change the font to whatever we feel like or at least BOLD and set SIZE to whatever we like?

Xorus Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.09.29 12:55:00 - [5] As was pointed out changing any part of the EVE client is against the EULA and you risk a ban for doing it, you will not find links to any such "mods" on this forum and posting any is prohibited. --- Wanna Buy a Goat??- Tirg Member of the 'Kaemonn is My Hero' club Member of the "Immy's Bald Head Appreciation Society" Xorus is currenly off duty counting trees in Siberia. -Ivan K How much is that goaty in the window, baaa baaaa - Cortes (Secretary, Bald Head Appreciation Society)

ToxicFire Warlords Corp The Core Collective	Posted - 2006.09.29 12:56:00 - [6] Aye there should be the ability to change the font by now. As the current system has more negative issues than positive ones.
spurious signal Caldari Brainiacs	Posted - 2006.09.29 12:57:00 - [7] I also struggle on one of my computers since I have an LCD monitor with a native 1600x1200 resolution. Playing in a lower res on this particular monitor is unbearable because of the rubbish downsampling (or whatever the term is) and I already use the expanded font, it's still almost impossible to read. Please CCP, give us some font options
Yumi Katanawe Caldari Demon Womb Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.29 13:06:00 - [8] Eventually, the devs become stubborn in all mmorpgs. In other games they insist on absurd corpse runs or xp debts. In EVE, we are stuck with crappy fonts and a circa 1996 UI. Don't you dare touch the fonts! Having barely readable text is essential to the universe! omg!

Xorus Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.09.29 13:08:00 - [9] Originally by: Yumi Katanawe Eventually, the devs become stubborn in all mmorpgs. In other games they insist on absurd corpse runs or xp debts. In EVE, we are stuck with crappy fonts and a circa 1996 UI. Don't you dare touch the fonts! Having barely readable text is essential to the universe! omg! Did you ever see the original UI that was circa 1996 this ones beter by far than the first one, was awful to use and got you killed a lot of the time or atleast it got me killed a lot Theres nothing wrong with the UI itself although as screen sizes have gone up over the ages the font starts to look a little small on large resolutions these days, the dev's do read the forum so offer lots of beer at the fanfest and you might get your wish :P --- Wanna Buy a Goat??- Tirg Member of the 'Kaemonn is My Hero' club Member of the "Immy's Bald Head Appreciation Society" Xorus is currenly off duty counting trees in Siberia. -Ivan K How much is that goaty in the window, baaa baaaa - Cortes (Secretary, Bald Head Appreciation Society)

Nin Tindre	Posted - 2006.09.29 13:30:00 - [10] Originally by: Xorus the dev's do read the forum so offer lots of beer at the fanfest and you might get your wish :P More beer for the devs!! Go go! BUT not until they fix it or they might forget it...

0lly Minmatar Wheel Of Time Ltd	Posted - 2006.09.29 13:31:00 - [11] The font has not changed at all since RMR was first released. - The pages were full of complaints about the font . And CCP listened and changed the rendering engine. and thats it. The font files have never been changed since. The evesansmm.pfb is still used in it original form . except now its been put in the Res.stuff file. Only to stop the simple modification that many many users were using pre dragon. As to listening to complaints on this subject, with respect to Mr ISD. CCP just dont want to know nor do they really care. They send out a Dev into the forums with the "bug report it" message. As to follow up questions about the bug reports the last was basically - "Ive just come back from X game show and know nothing due to jet lag". Yes I believe the change to the font is comming. but I seriously doubt it will be via official channels. Regards 0lly If you were me , You'd want to be somebody else as well .
Doxs Roxs White Wolves Defence league E.R.A	Posted - 2006.09.29 13:33:00 - [12] Having played some other MMOs I can say that EvE is far behind the other games I played when it comes to the player interface. For example, in DAOC the interface was regularly upgraded and it was XML based. This in turn made custom GUIs possible. These GUIs were totally player driven but they often offered alot over the standard GUI. For example there was the healers helper for healing classes, minimized status windows, new group bars with condensed information that allowed the player to have access to vital data without cluttering the screen. Not to mention the simple possibility to change your keyboard shortcuts, to make simple targetting macros etc. (this actually has nothing to do with the GUI, it was part of the normal interface) For those that dont know how it works there was a simple macro that would let you assist on another players target. After making the macro you could then use it to acquire the target of the person you wanted to assist. Such simple expansions to the user interface really mean alot, and from what I have seen so far CCP seems to be wery far behind in this area when it comes to EvE. The custom GUIs made by the community was not a prerequesite to play the game effectively, but they helped, custom fonts was a wery minor thing and I must say I think its a pity that we are stuck with such rigid rules and no flexibility in EvE. Regards /Doxs After almost half a year, why is my face just a '!' ? And please fix the Javelin T2 rail ammunition...
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation	Posted - 2006.09.29 13:37:00 - [13] Just give us an override folder with certain lesser aspects of the game that we're allowed to modify. Make the game fetch, for example, fonts from that folder. By lesser, I mean aesthetic contents only. - Three years old
spurious signal Caldari Brainiacs	Posted - 2006.09.29 13:40:00 - [14] Originally by: Xorus Theres nothing wrong with the UI itself Er you are kidding me right? Have your interface designers never heard of iterative design? Have you guys seen useit.com? You've heard the name Jakob Nielson yeah? The EVE interface is, IMO, terrible in a 100 different ways. I pray that one day you'll redesign it with some attention paid to human psychology, modern interface design concepts, extensive user testing and observation and by collecting clear, specific feedback from your playerbase. The entire right-click menu, just for starters, is an appalling piece of clunky design that creates so many more problems than it solves. The very idea of menu items actually moving depending on context makes me cringe and has led to me losing ships before. And that's just for starters.... YOU guys may think the UI is fine, but I suggest that's because you're just got used to it. That doesn't mean it's inherently user-friendly, intuitive nor consistent.
Max Hardcase Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.09.29 13:49:00 - [15] Originally by: spurious signal Originally by: Xorus Theres nothing wrong with the UI itself Er you are kidding me right? Have your interface designers never heard of iterative design? Have you guys seen useit.com? You've heard the name Jakob Nielson yeah? The EVE interface is, IMO, terrible in a 100 different ways. I pray that one day you'll redesign it with some attention paid to human psychology, modern interface design concepts, extensive user testing and observation and by collecting clear, specific feedback from your playerbase. The entire right-click menu, just for starters, is an appalling piece of clunky design that creates so many more problems than it solves. The very idea of menu items actually moving depending on context makes me cringe and has led to me losing ships before. And that's just for starters.... YOU guys may think the UI is fine, but I suggest that's because you're just got used to it. That doesn't mean it's inherently user-friendly, intuitive nor consistent. Ding ding we have a winner here. UI wish list : Ability to move currently fixed UI items around the screen. namely : overview, ship interface. Ability to spawn multiple overviews with seperate settings. Proper multi monitor support ( with various options like using a 2nd screen just for overview, chat etc) Proper fonts for HIGH RESOLUTIONS
0lly Minmatar Wheel Of Time Ltd	Posted - 2006.09.29 13:58:00 - [16] Sorry but in reply to the OP . Of the 2000+ people who visited Here And of the many hundreds who had contacted me personally before the site . I never heard of one who had been banned. Regards 0lly If you were me , You'd want to be somebody else as well .
Burlock Ironfist Celtic Anarchy Black Reign Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.29 14:09:00 - [17] Edited by: Burlock Ironfist on 29/09/2006 14:09:34 Originally by: 0lly Sorry but in reply to the OP . Of the 2000+ people who visited Here And of the many hundreds who had contacted me personally before the site . I never heard of one who had been banned. Regards 0lly but you will probably get a forum warnign for posting that link since its against forums rules Quote: you will not find links to any such "mods" on this forum and posting any is prohibited BOOBIES!
Khabok Dark Lancers	Posted - 2006.09.29 14:20:00 - [18] Nah, he won't even get a warning. The link to that page is to information that is no longer relevent to the alteration of the interface. For the ADD kids: Them ways don't work no more. Khabok There are only four things in life.The first one is Love: Cherish that one, and keep it safe, for the other three are Fear, Hatred, and Sorrow.
Shiraz Merlot Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.29 14:42:00 - [19] Earlier this year I switched my ssh logins, development IDEs etc to Profont and never looked back. Wish Eve could get a decent font. Personally I suspect we get a lousy font to mess up macroing screen-scraper software that can't tell the difference between 0 and O, 1 and l etc. and I hope we never get a programmable UI. shudder what a horrible time-sink that'd be.
DOGNOSH Minmatar SKULLDOGS	Posted - 2006.09.29 14:47:00 - [20] Originally by: Xorus the dev's do read the forum so offer lots of beer at the fanfest and you might get your wish :P as long as you ignore my sig when i see you in november mmmm pink Eris will approve - Xorus Xorus has been webbified - DOGNOSH

Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2006.09.29 14:51:00 - [21] well this is a major side effect of the crappy font notice the max targeting range bug Linkage
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation	Posted - 2006.09.29 14:51:00 - [22] Originally by: Shiraz Merlot Earlier this year I switched my ssh logins, development IDEs etc to Profont and never looked back. Wish Eve could get a decent font. Personally I suspect we get a lousy font to mess up macroing screen-scraper software that can't tell the difference between 0 and O, 1 and l etc. and I hope we never get a programmable UI. shudder what a horrible time-sink that'd be. Personally, I find Profont a bit lacklustre and annoying. Best thing is to get OPTIONS, which for some reason seems a bit hard for CCP to implement. Whenever they talk about the font, I get the feeling that they are trying to change the font, all of it, to something that's the same for everyone. Why not a simple option to select a font set? Press the option that suits you best. "o Impact (compact fonts) o Federation (broad and spacious fonts) o Verdana (simplistic and rounded fonts) o etc etc" - Three years old
Locke DieDrake Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.09.29 15:33:00 - [23] Originally by: Max Hardcase Originally by: spurious signal Originally by: Xorus Theres nothing wrong with the UI itself Er you are kidding me right? Have your interface designers never heard of iterative design? Have you guys seen useit.com? You've heard the name Jakob Nielson yeah? The EVE interface is, IMO, terrible in a 100 different ways. I pray that one day you'll redesign it with some attention paid to human psychology, modern interface design concepts, extensive user testing and observation and by collecting clear, specific feedback from your playerbase. The entire right-click menu, just for starters, is an appalling piece of clunky design that creates so many more problems than it solves. The very idea of menu items actually moving depending on context makes me cringe and has led to me losing ships before. And that's just for starters.... YOU guys may think the UI is fine, but I suggest that's because you're just got used to it. That doesn't mean it's inherently user-friendly, intuitive nor consistent. Ding ding we have a winner here. UI wish list : Ability to move currently fixed UI items around the screen. namely : overview, ship interface. Ability to spawn multiple overviews with seperate settings. Proper multi monitor support ( with various options like using a 2nd screen just for overview, chat etc) Proper fonts for HIGH RESOLUTIONS DEVS go play guild wars for a week. Then come back and design an entirely new UI. Guild wars, more than any game I've played in years has an incredible UI. It's entirely customizable, and most importantly, it's easy to use and CLEARLY shows whats going on. And it uses the "desktop" princaple just like eve does. The UI needs some love. And we have been getting it in bits and pieces. (the map fixes a while back, the new scanning system, etc etc) ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
Eternal Fury Caldari Shadow Of The Light	Posted - 2006.09.29 16:15:00 - [24] I have to ask this of the Dev team. WHY THE HELL can you not just put in an option to pick the font from a list of the fonts you guys have used in the past. I mean seriously. Some have been good, some bad. Some work for some people but not others. This has got to be one of the simpler things you guys could change. I mean seriously now.
Anatolius Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2006.09.29 16:34:00 - [25] Originally by: spurious signal YOU guys may think the UI is fine, but I suggest that's because you're just got used to it. That doesn't mean it's inherently user-friendly, intuitive nor consistent. The only intuitive interface is the nipple; everything else is learned. Someone earlier mentioned DAoC switching to an XML-based UI. EQ did that long before, and it was one of the greatest things to ever happen to a game. I'm still appalled that it didn't become the de facto standard in MMOG design within a week of it originally being implemented. The problem with UI is, for all the whining of usability studies and Jakob Nielson and all the 'OMG INTUITION' pundits, people think differently. And not in the trendy follow-the-herd Apple way. Bad thing happens when anyone pays any attention to these people. (Look at the state of Linux desktop environments. ) All that said, the EVE UI is hardly the prize winning worst UI ever. As much as I like it, though, even I have nits to pick. But the problem is, what makes to sense to me may be strange and frightening to you. The obvious solution is making UIs customizable. While it ends up requiring some rather basic programming knowledge to make the UI do what you want, chances are if you can't be arsed to learn basic XML, someone out there will think along the same lines you do. There's a greater chance of making more people happy, as it were. At least far greater than having some nutjob sitting in an office saying, "Well, six out of ten people think a person should click there, so let's make it so you have to click there!" "If God be for us, whom can be against us?"
Kim Chee Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.29 16:36:00 - [26] Originally by: Eternal Fury I have to ask this of the Dev team. WHY THE HELL can you not just put in an option to pick the font from a list of the fonts you guys have used in the past. I'm not part of the Dev team, nor do I play one on TV, but... From the way things have changed from patch to patch over the last year, I suspect many parts of the UI are nailed down by pixel offsets from various other parts of the UI. This would include text labels. Thus, if you change the font, the alignment of other things get out of whack. I'm hoping that the "vista" client will finally redesign the way the screen is rendered so it's fully scalable. That's one of the things that other game did get right. I can change resolution from 800x600 all the way to 1600x1200 and the font stays the same size on the screen. I can adjust the scaling factor of the entire UI and dropping the resolution only makes things look fuzzy (as there aren't enough pixels to render everything anymore). Good idea. CCP should borrow it. <=----=> *Vila Restal: I'm entitled to my opinion. Kerr Avon*: It is your assumption that we are entitled to it as well that is irritating.
Rakeris Legio VIII	Posted - 2006.09.29 17:15:00 - [27] Yeah the EVE IU is just awful in so many ways, not even going to go there. It's sad to see EVE so far behind every other MMOs/ORPGs etc. EVEs UI has to be the worst I have ever used. One of the best would be the GW UI, and WoW just a bit after, as you can mod it to do anything you want, which is so nice. The font or horrible as well, I use 1600x1200 res and it is so hard to read anything. It's not like I have a bad monitor either! It's a ViewSonic Graphics Series. =( -------- Sig removed, please keep your sig EVE related as per the forum rules, email [email protected] if you have any questions - Xorus It was EVE related!!
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.09.29 17:20:00 - [28] I think EVE's font should be changed to wingdings so people stop complaining about not being able to read it. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Locke DieDrake Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.09.29 17:25:00 - [29] Originally by: Eternal Fury I have to ask this of the Dev team. WHY THE HELL can you not just put in an option to pick the font from a list of the fonts you guys have used in the past. I mean seriously. Some have been good, some bad. Some work for some people but not others. This has got to be one of the simpler things you guys could change. I mean seriously now. Well, the answer is very simple. Not all fonts, in fact not most will work within the eve framework. See, when you have a popup window, and you've changed the font, and now you can't read the end of the message because it doesn't fit in the window you are going to be upset. Same goes for market or anything else. The font has to fit into the game, and that means the font has to be pretty small overall. Which is why we are complaining in the first place. If you could change the font, that chances are you wouldn't like any font that would work. And wouldn't like using non-working fonts... Just imagine " Your 425mm Hybrid T2 rail perfectly strike Gurisata saba...." Or even worse... on market... 425mm hybrid .... now, which one is that? t2? Scout? Prototype gauss? well ****. ___________________________________________ The deeper you stick it in your vein, the deeper the thoughts there's no more pain. ___________________________________________
Yumi Katanawe Caldari Demon Womb Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.09.29 17:42:00 - [30] Yeah, wasn't in the 80's that they developed windows that self adjusted according to text size? Don't you dare touch the font! The UI will explode and melt your screen! omg! ps: wth's going on with session handling.



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