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Andreus Ixiris Gallente Luna Rossa Corporation The Guardian Coalition	Posted - 2006.09.29 17:10:00 - [1] In opening let me say that this does not reflect the opinions of my alliance, my corporation or indeed my race – I know there are many among the Gallente who still believe we did no wrong, yet I feel differently. I make this apology in hopes that they will be moved to do the same, and attempt at least some reconciliation with your wronged people. I believe that the Federation was in the wrong to blockade and bombard your home planet, and also to demand that you sign it over to them in return for peace. I hope to live to see the day that Caldari Prime is returned to you and your people, and that it can be done peacefully and without incident. I believe that, while I strongly support democracy, it is the right of your people, if you do not support that system, to start your own somewhere else, and I fully support the Caldari State, as it has been an agent of change in the galaxy for centuries. Although I know that any words I can say won’t repair the lives shattered by my people, allow me to say I believe the burden of guilt for the war lies with us rather than you, regardless of the attack on Nouvelle Rouvenor – atrocities were committed on both sides but the bombing of one city doesn’t compare to the bombing of a planet. You have my condolences and my apologies. I am of the opinion that Gallente and Caldari should begin to bury the hatchet and try to live once again in peace, for it is clear that in this universe today there are greater enemies than each other. I believe the first step in any peace offering to you would be giving you back your ancient homeworld, and I will always campaign for that with whatever power is given to me. I am sorry for what my forefathers did, and I am sorry for the grief of yours. Let us live together in peace. - Andreus Ixiris
Devilish Ledoux Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.09.29 17:46:00 - [2] You're right about something. The Federation was wrong to bombard my birthplace. You were wrong to steal the cradle of our civilization. You were wrong to attempt to deny us the right of self-determination. And finally, you were wrong when you thought you would prevail. Damn your apology. To the hells with your condolences. They're nothing but words to me. Gallente are fine with words. But let me ask you this: What are you going to do to back up your words? If you're not willing to act, if you're not willing to do whatever it takes to make your idea of what is right come into being, then your words are like all words spoken by the Gallente: hollow, false and without value. However, in the highly unlikely event that you are willing to take action, I'm sure you will find the opportunity to do so. Life is full of such opportunities. The Billionaire Buccaneer (A Blog for the Bored)
Gorion Wassenar Caldari Tsurokigaarai Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.09.29 18:13:00 - [3] I am happy to see that at least someone is paying attention to what actually occured back then. There are still many burned bridges to mend before any sort of compromise is made between our two nations but this is at least a step in the right direction. If you truely feel as you say contact your representitives and vote accordingly to poloticians that can't seem to see or don't care to what happened around and on Caldari Prime. ------------------ CEO of TKI
Dejhon Vanxler Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2006.09.29 18:16:00 - [4] Did the Federation do wrong? Yes, we killed people in that blockade and thatÆs never a good answer. Did the Caldari do wrong? Yes, there so call æfreedom fightersÆ killed innocent Gallente citizens. What happened then was terrorism pure and simple, the Caldari who undertook those atrocities were not uniformed soldiers and did not attack military targets. Do I say the Caldari should not have there home world back? No, Gallente and Caldari once lived there together, why not again? For those who Gallente who live and Caldari Prime then and now, itÆs as much a home world to them as for the Caldari, what would you do with them? Force them from homes they have lived in for generations, abandon all that blood, sweat and toil? How much more hatred would that cause for another ten generations? Yes, the Gallente and Caldari need to come together, what stops them are power hungry and rabble rousing leaders, who make use of this long running tragedy to keep their power, all in the name of ænationalismÆ, but will it be them sacrificing their lives on the front lines when the war they are after happens? Will many of the capsuleerÆs of Caldari extraction who have so tried to inflame the situation be as happy then to see hundreds of thousands of their fellow Caldari die? The average conscript dosnt get a clone, he or she has only one life. Let all this venom and ægesturesÆ die and lets have peaceà.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.09.29 18:48:00 - [5] Originally by: Dejhon Vanxler Did the Caldari do wrong? Yes, there so call æfreedom fightersÆ killed innocent Gallente citizens. I look forward to you condemning the minmatar 'freedom fighters'. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation	Posted - 2006.09.29 19:09:00 - [6] Phaw! You traitor to your own! You wish to sell the lives and memories of the many hundred thousand of souls on Nouvelle Rouvenor for what? How would you propose to relocate the countless millions from Caldari Prime? To allow the Caldari as a state back to Caldari Prime is to invite the enemy back to your bossom, where the knife slips in more easily. Never forget that the Caldari did shed the first blood, and that it was civilians on Caldari Prime who were the first victims. They were bent on a liberation war in either case, we gave it to them before they thought they were ready. Had we not, it might be their rigid and fascist presence on Gallente Prime instead of freedom of speech and thought on Caldari Prime. After one hundred years, that planet is Caldari in nothing more than name. For this matter, it is high time to rename the godsforgotten rock. - Three years old
Devilish Ledoux Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.09.29 19:47:00 - [7] Edited by: Devilish Ledoux on 29/09/2006 19:47:49 Originally by: Ithildin How would you propose to relocate the countless millions from Caldari Prime? By any means necessary. Originally by: Ithildin To allow the Caldari as a state back to Caldari Prime is to invite the enemy back to your bossom, where the knife slips in more easily. No need to invite us. We'll let ourselves in soon enough. Originally by: Ithildin They were bent on a liberation war in either case, we gave it to them before they thought they were ready. Correction: We were bent on liberation, and we were willing to go to war to get it. Originally by: Ithildin Had we not, it might be their rigid and fascist presence on Gallente Prime instead of freedom of speech and thought on Caldari Prime. Better sooner than later. _ The Billionaire Buccaneer (A Blog for the Bored)
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Gorion Wassenar Caldari Tsurokigaarai Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.09.29 19:55:00 - [9] Originally by: Ithildin Phaw! You traitor to your own! You wish to sell the lives and memories of the many hundred thousand of souls on Nouvelle Rouvenor for what? As opposed to the billions you killed from orbit. How nobel of you I am quite sure that had the Gallente government of the time had kept its head and not lashed out with attempted Genocide the terrorists you speak of more then likely would have been brought to trial. But we'll never know now will we? Frankly the response to their action validated all they did. ------------------ CEO of TKI
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2006.09.29 20:15:00 - [10] And the senseless bickering beyond the OP is the reason why your effort, Mr. Ixiris, will never mean anything, and will never be seen outside of GalNet. It is unfortunate, but you best pick a side and prepare for war. Blaque will win the Gallente elections and bloodshed will follow not long after. Peace is not something humanity understands. Revenge is.
Gorion Wassenar Caldari Tsurokigaarai Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.09.29 20:19:00 - [11] Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda And the senseless bickering beyond the OP is the reason why your effort, Mr. Ixiris, will never mean anything, and will never be seen outside of GalNet. Sad but probably true. ------------------ CEO of TKI
Cipher7 Dark and Light inc. D-L	Posted - 2006.09.29 21:40:00 - [12] Don't apologize. If the Caldari wanted to secede, they HAD that right, they could have done it legally through the senate. It might have taken a little longer, but woulda given time to sort out issues such as citizenship and discussing terms. But no, they had to secede violently. Hence they got what they deserved. And I'm appalled that the Federation has so many bleeding heart cheese-eaters. I predict the Caldari will annex the Gallente Federation within 4 or 5 generations, maybe sooner.
Gorion Wassenar Caldari Tsurokigaarai Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.09.29 21:48:00 - [13] Excuse me? They never gave us a choice. Sorry to sound like a broken record here but if you actually paid attention to history you would see that they unilaterally bombed Caldari Prime in response to the actions of the terrorist bombings of their ocean city regardless of the fact that they might be held responsible. ------------------ CEO of TKI
Jack Quadros Caldari	Posted - 2006.09.30 05:27:00 - [14] All races have the right to keep their original homeworld. To have it taken away from them by force is inexcusable, especially when some great "democracy" does so. Caldari Prime has, and forever shall, rightfully belong to the Caldari. And if we must take it back by force to prove so, then with the vast heavens as our witness, we shall. I shall gladly provide material aid to any armed effort to reclaim our homeworld. Seeing as it was forcibly taken over, we are justified in using force to take it back. Let us fight to ensure a bright future, not just for New Caldari, but for a reclaimed Caldari Prime as well!
Dejhon Vanxler Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2006.09.30 07:47:00 - [15] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia I look forward to you condemning the minmatar 'freedom fighters'. The minmatar arenÆt threatening the Federation with war, the minmatar have their people abducted and put into slavery on a daily basis. The minmatar have to fight or be enslaved. The Caldari? the war ended 100 years ago, since then, has the Federation threatened your sovrenty? You Caldari like to play the 'victim', and its growing embarrassing for humanity now in the face of what other nations and peoples are facing. For a state that prides itself on self reliance and strength from unity, I think itÆs a sad thing that so many æpatriotsÆ end up sounding like children æIts not fair!Æ ect. Have some pride and dignaty.
skallszy	Posted - 2006.09.30 08:31:00 - [16] Well I understand the Caldari, Caldari Prime should be returned to thier people tomorrow, or better yet yesterday. Until then I will do everything in my power to help bring the federation to its knees. You can very well compared a cultural assimilation, not being allowed to keep your own culture, as something as bad or even worse than having a few minimatars being put into slavery by the Amarrs. A whole cultural assimilation, that is what the Gallenteans are trying to do, I hope to god not they succeed. Less of a view of other races you wont find anywhere. Power to the State!
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.09.30 09:36:00 - [17] War will come since it is the way of empires. State or Federation it makes no difference. It's the nature of hierarchy to bolster its own influence with the blood of individuals committed in collective sacrifice. When it happens I'll be there to help push the old order down the stairs and herald the new freedoms of the capsular exodus. Until then best prepare. _________________
Helpdesk Caldari The Patriot Pact	Posted - 2006.09.30 11:08:00 - [18] Originally by: Dejhon Vanxler The Caldari? the war ended 100 years ago, since then, has the Federation threatened your sovrenty? Yes. They took sovereignty already: Tierijev.
Dejhon Vanxler Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2006.09.30 11:46:00 - [19] Originally by: Helpdesk Yes. They took sovereignty already: Tierijev. Well I thank you for pointing out that there is are sucess stories of Gallente/Caldari co-operation out there, showing that both sides can put aside millitary hostility to encurage free trade.
Helpdesk Caldari The Patriot Pact	Posted - 2006.09.30 12:39:00 - [20] Regardless of such pathetic liberal ideas, Tierijev is still claimed by the Caldari State. I see no reason why CONCORD allows it to have a filthy Federal ticker.
Shintoko Akahoshi Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2006.09.30 19:01:00 - [21] Tierijev is neither an example of Gallente-Caldari cooperation, nor under Gallente sovereignty. There seems to be a common bug in our pod interface software, which reports it as being Gallente controlled. This is (yet another) something to take up with Ishukone. I suppose there's no point trying to debate with people in either of the ultranationalist camps, both will see demons and conspiracies everywhere they look. I suppose it's thoeir right to fritter their energy and resources away like this. In the mean time, it will fall to more rational organizations to deal with true threats and issues as they arrise. The Red Mom of WarÖ
Leon 026 Caldari Blood Inquisition	Posted - 2006.09.30 22:09:00 - [22] Edited by: Leon 026 on 30/09/2006 22:09:43 Originally by: Dejhon Vanxler For a state that prides itself on self reliance and strength from unity, I think itÆs a sad thing that so many æpatriotsÆ end up sounding like children æIts not fair!Æ ect. Have some pride and dignaty. And you forget that quite a number of patriots would be MORE than happy to fly over into Federation-space to bomb it back into the pre-terraform age should conflict arrise again. ------------------------------- [ 2006.06.22 04:28:01 ] Leon 026 > My Crow dances like she's on ecstasy
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.09.30 23:08:00 - [23] Originally by: Dejhon Vanxler Originally by: Malthros Zenobia I look forward to you condemning the minmatar 'freedom fighters'. The minmatar arenÆt threatening the Federation with war, the minmatar have their people abducted and put into slavery on a daily basis. The minmatar have to fight or be enslaved. The Caldari? the war ended 100 years ago, since then, has the Federation threatened your sovrenty? You Caldari like to play the 'victim', and its growing embarrassing for humanity now in the face of what other nations and peoples are facing. For a state that prides itself on self reliance and strength from unity, I think itÆs a sad thing that so many æpatriotsÆ end up sounding like children æIts not fair!Æ ect. Have some pride and dignaty. You mean like how the State fought so that they would not be forced to bend and accept the Gallente way of life? If you can't handle your lies being forced back down your throat, then stop speaking them. Otherwise, open wide. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
Varus Riaz Gallente Thunderbolts The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2006.10.01 01:29:00 - [24] I feel no need to apologize for the sins of my forefathers. Indeed, I feel this is a crippling trait display by many of my fellow citizens. The past is the past; nothing we can do can change it. It is a sad state of affairs when the Gallente people have to tread carefully for fear of trampling on the Caldari's feelings. Let us be judged by our own actions, not by the actions of those long dead. Now, the Caldari can overlook their atrocities in the war. They blow up a city; it is a noble act of resistance. The man who crashed a carrier into another city is revered by the Caldari masses. But no, not so for the Gallente Federation, our actions in the war were all "despicable actions" committed by a fascist government. A little unfair, no? The Caldari insist on fighting for their way of life. Well, good for the Caldari. I claim the same thing; the Gallente Federation was fighting for its way of life. How would the Federation continue if its member states acted completely independently, and hid their colonies and assets from the Federal government? Of course, now that I have said this, I am sure someone will ask me,ö Did the Federation have a right to decide whether or not the Caldari State stayed a part of the Federation." My answer is a simple yes. Yes, the Federation had a right, and an obligation to keep the Caldari in the Federation. Now, call me a fascist, I am sure that many are more than willing to label me as such. That's fine, we believe in something called freedom of speech here in the Federation. You are not only entitled to your opinion in the Federation, but I will fight to defend your right to have your voice heard. For those of you actually willing to examine the issue, letÆs list some facts. The Caldari hid colonies and assets from the Federal government. The Federation stumbled upon these by chance and demanded, rightfully in my opinion, to be given all information about these colonies, and to take them under Federal administration. The Caldari vehemently opposed this, and a movement for Caldari secession appeared. Now, consider what this looked like to the Federation government. You have a member people that have built a secret network of jumpgates and colonies, and now these same people are expressing anti-Federation sentiments. Seems just a tad bit suspicious, does it not? And then, right on the heels of this discovery come terrorist attacks. I think the Federation was entirely justified to take action. Look what the Caldari State has given the universe by seceding from the Federation, a war that cost untold destruction if lives and property, and an assurance that more wars will come as long as the State exists in its current form. I am not like this apologist. I am brave enough to stand up and say that I feel no shame for what happened to the Caldari. I am willing to stand up and say that I love my country, I am a patriot, and my voice cannot be silenced by conjuring up ghosts long dead from a long ago war.
Milera Gallente Elite United Corp Antigo Dominion	Posted - 2006.10.01 04:06:00 - [25] I will preface this by saying that I have fought alongside many Caldari, fellow-pod pilots who have endured much as the corporation that I swear allegiance to has attempted to carve out its little corner of the fringes of the universe. The past is the past, in my mind, and such ancient history does not actively concern me, yet. The Caldari are an amazing race, fellow humans that I marvel at, desiring their efficiency, their military bent, and their unrestricted capitalism. And I understand that all races desire freedom, if not for others, than for themselves. The Caldari-Gallente war was a truly horrendous occasion, showing the true horror of warfare in our age of blasters and drones. I think we pod-pilots forget this as we come to think of death as only a passing thing; it is a state of sleep in between our next awakening in a clone body. So I say this to the Caldari who tell me that my promises are hollow, and that they mean little. What do you seek then? A world returned to you when that world was conquered? Tell me, what do you respect? You respect force, soldiers of the Caldari State. You respect the same force that is shown in your gladiatorial games, the same force that you show every day in your dealings between corporations. Caldari Prime was taken by force. It was taken by feat of arms, therefore, by the spoils of war, it belongs to the Gallente. Think about it for a moment, how do many of us make our livings? We hunt those not fortunate enough to fly the latest in technology. We hunt the pirates and the criminals, we collect the bounties, and then we take the spoils of war and do what we will with them. Several of the systems on my Enyo are scavenged from destroyed vessels, and I'll tell you, I'm not giving any of those systems back to the Serprentis corporation, or the Blood Raiders, they're mine, my prizes of victory. But at any rate, the past is the past, and I'll fly with my Caldari companions, and I'll continue to fly with them, although not the Caldari state, even if war does break out once again. ------------------------------------------------- Through war we eliminate the weak, through war we develop technology, through war we hone our skills. Is it not a surprise that those who fight are s
Swift Wind Matari Liberation Organization	Posted - 2006.10.01 06:46:00 - [26] Edited by: Swift Wind on 01/10/2006 06:46:39 Originally by: Malthros Zenobia You mean like how the State fought so that they would not be forced to bend and accept the Gallente way of life? If you can't handle your lies being forced back down your throat, then stop speaking them. Otherwise, open wide. Open wide :) I sit here preparing to engage the Amarr/Caldari fleet amassed in Eglennaert, on behalf of the Federal Inteligence Office. What are they dooing here you ask? After a number of missions to determin exactly that, we discovered they are TAKING FREE PEOPLE TO THE SLAVE LABOR CAMPS!!! How can you sit there and speak of freedom when your government condones and PARTICIPATES in the illegal, inhumane, detaning of innocent poeple AS WE SPEAK! So, please tell me again how evil the federation is. Death is quite a useful tool for the immortals....
Gorion Wassenar Caldari Tsurokigaarai Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.10.01 07:07:00 - [27] Originally by: Varus Riaz The Caldari hid colonies and assets from the Federal government. The Federation stumbled upon these by chance and demanded, rightfully in my opinion, to be given all information about these colonies, and to take them under Federal administration. Those were owned by independent corporations that had decided to break ties with all civilization to live and work in peace on their own worlds. Couldn't have that could we. And since when did a democracy decide when people can or can't leave? Sounds like your whole government system is a lie to me. I'm pretty sure every "nation" in the federation has somewhere in its article of Federation that it can leave at any time. Too bad we know thats a joke..... ------------------ CEO of TKI
Britannica	Posted - 2006.10.01 12:14:00 - [28] Originally by: Swift Wind Edited by: Swift Wind on 01/10/2006 06:59:50 Originally by: Malthros Zenobia You mean like how the State fought so that they would not be forced to bend and accept the Gallente way of life? If you can't handle your lies being forced back down your throat, then stop speaking them. Otherwise, open wide. Open wide :) I sit here preparing to engage the Amarr/Caldari fleet amassed in Eglennaert, on behalf of the Federal Inteligence Office. What are they dooing here you ask? After a number of missions to determin exactly that, we discovered they are TAKING FREE PEOPLE TO THE SLAVE LABOR CAMPS!!! How can you sit there and speak of freedom when your government condones and PARTICIPATES in the illegal, inhumane, detaning of innocent poeple AS WE SPEAK! So, please tell me again how evil the federation is. the majority of the Caldari state and most of the CEP considers these pilots and crews you mentioned to be rouge officers, some small Caldari corporations do unfortunatly break Caldari law and deal in the slave trade several times I have battled fleets of Gallente navy ships responsible for the destruction of civilian colonies and civilian ships within State borders. some agents working for the caldari navy report these ships were recieving orders directly from the Gallente senate caldari navy officers working with ammar slavers, Gallente officers attepting genocide. personally I feel genocide is worse than slavery. at least slaves have a chance of free life again
Varus Riaz Gallente Thunderbolts The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2006.10.01 16:03:00 - [29] Originally by: Gorion Wassenar Edited by: Gorion Wassenar on 01/10/2006 09:03:57 Edited by: Gorion Wassenar on 01/10/2006 09:01:37 Originally by: Varus Riaz Look what the Caldari State has given the universe by seceding from the Federation. Pod Technology? FTL interstellar communication, medicines, Cloaking devices, clones, I could go on....
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.01 16:47:00 - [30] Originally by: Gorion Wassenar Originally by: Varus Riaz Look what the Caldari State has given the universe by seceding from the Federation. Pod Technology? FTL interstellar communication, medicines, Cloaking devices, clones, I could go on.... In fact, pod technology was given to the general human populace by the Jovians in an attempt to give the Caldari a temporary respite and save their civilization. Faster than light communication was invented by the Gallentean woman Li Azbel after the brightest in Amarr had given up and before the Caldari succeded. The cloaking devices were developed in a joint effort between the Gallentean Federation and the Caldari State, with the mayor sponsors being Quafe and the Gallentean President under Foiritan. Should be noted that the project was sabotaged, likely by parties that were hired by competatives to the Caldari side of the partnership. Last but not least, cloning and the secure clone conciousness transfer was invented by and is provided by the Gallentean corporation Cromeaux Inc.. It should be noted that the largest shareholders are in order Gallentean Poteque Pharmaceuticals, Caldari Zainu, and Jovian Genolution. Noted should be that of the three giants of Caldari only Lai Dai holds shares with Cromeaux Inc. On the point of medicines you are partly correct, actually. Zainu is one of the largest pharmaceutical company in New Eden, however it should be said that Zainu is mostly focused towards biotech reserch and nano-mechanics. Zainu's major competitor in the field is Proteqeu Pharmaceuticals. It is most difficult to say which of these two companies are the best, however Zainu is valued higher than Proteque. I think it serves to remember, however, that Caldari never given anyone anything. They sell it for a price. - Three years old

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