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CyberGh0st	Posted - 2006.10.01 18:54:00 - [1] I am a new player, and I like the game. I think it is cool how CCP is handling the server issues, by giving good info ( dev blogs ) etc. The problem I have atm is that I read alot about exploiting complexes, and no action being taken towards the exploiters. So CCP is the message you are giving to new players that exploiting is fine until you close the holes? Main problem here is information and the lack of it. I have seen many games ruined by exploits, cheats and hacks. I dont want to invest my time in Eve if it goes the same way and nothing is being done to prevent it. 1 of the reasons I think it is a big issue is because when I played my 1st 2 days I already received 3 mails to buy ISK from Ebay with Real Life cash. So why cant you ( ccp ) give us an update on how you are handling things? Just like you do with the server issues. Greetings, CyberGh0st.
Biglipz	Posted - 2006.10.01 18:58:00 - [2] Edited by: Biglipz on 01/10/2006 19:03:51 It would seem in the case of the complex thingy, they arn't taking action again those that abused it, thats obvious because the worst of the people who abused it are still logging in and out of EVE every day. Although, It's possible they just haven't taken action yet.
Deja Thoris Revelations Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.01 19:02:00 - [3] It was in my sig courtesy of someone else. If you bug report it they ignore you. If you post about it on the forums they ban you or sweep it under the carpet. If you perform the expolit you get rich. I think this sums it up. CCP have had plenty of time to communicate to their subscribers the extent of the damage done (or lack of) and the actions taken.
CyberGh0st	Posted - 2006.10.01 19:10:00 - [4] Well if they ban me over this fine, then I immediatly know how they handle things and I can forget about this game. If this topic gets locked or deleted I will know as well. As long as there is no name calling or an explanation on how the exploit can be done ( or was done, since it is fixed now ) I see no reason why this topic should be locked or deleted. Greetings, CyberGh0st.
CyberGh0st	Posted - 2006.10.01 19:12:00 - [5] Originally by: Deja Thoris It was in my sig courtesy of someone else. If you bug report it they ignore you. If you post about it on the forums they ban you or sweep it under the carpet. If you perform the expolit you get rich. I think this sums it up. CCP have had plenty of time to communicate to their subscribers the extent of the damage done (or lack of) and the actions taken. Well my petitions were not ignored ... they were answered pretty fast. Honestly I have nothing but good to say about this game and its support, except the exploiting issue. Greetings, CyberGh0st.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.01 19:14:00 - [6] There was a sticky about this a while ago, where ccp told people that they are looking into it. I guess it just takes time. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate

Wrangler	Posted - 2006.10.01 19:14:00 - [7] Originally by: FAQ: Suspension & banning Suspensions and bans are private matters between CCP and the players involved. Even if players have done something wrong and we felt it necessary to suspend or ban them from EVE Online, we would not want to publicly humiliate them or deny them their privacy. Wrangler Assistant Community Manager EVE Online Contact Support - Contact Moderators - Report Bug - Submit News Leads Knowledge Base - Player Guide - Policies - Join ISD - Fan Submissions

Biglipz	Posted - 2006.10.01 19:16:00 - [8] Edited by: Biglipz on 01/10/2006 19:18:57 Originally by: Wrangler Originally by: FAQ: Suspension & banning Suspensions and bans are private matters between CCP and the players involved. Even if players have done something wrong and we felt it necessary to suspend or ban them from EVE Online, we would not want to publicly humiliate them or deny them their privacy. Bans were not issued over the issue anyway, at least if they were they must have missed some people, i was watching one guy in paticular who would stay online 23 hours a day farming the old bugged complex, as soon as DT was over he would login and would stay till next dt, then the next dt he did the same again, he still plays eve all day. If he wasn't banned for exploiting, he should have been for account sharing. In the case of what happend with this bug, it was exploited to such a grand scale that the playerbase needs some kind of assurance that ccp has taken action.
DukDodgerz	Posted - 2006.10.01 19:18:00 - [9] as long as ccp is profiting off the exploiters, and isk sellers, they will not ban them. it is all about profit. subscriptions = profits ccp will conduct their business how they wish too. end of story.
Siri Blue Gallente Duvolle Laboratories Blue Division	Posted - 2006.10.01 19:19:00 - [10] Very nice post about the issue... The problem is...it is CCPs policy to not talk about such issues... Exploits, bans and such are not being discussed by CCP... And thats the problem... Imho its a very bad policy (hi Wrangler!) as players only get the info that there have been exploits and macros and such going on... And then...nothing...no info about them being deleted...only info when accused ones are still in game... VERY very bad information policy! I don't say you should post people's and corp's names...but... Some information about actions being taken would really increase the faith again...
DeMundus The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2006.10.01 19:22:00 - [11] The "exploit" that is ruining pvp, and the base of this game atm is the exploit where some1 jumps though a gate and logs of under cloak to save their ship, or similar situation... Use a scout muppets or stay in empire space where you are safe! To many doing this... Regards mad man DeM... Grrr Abandon all hope But take care of teh cake!11 - Immy
Biglipz	Posted - 2006.10.01 19:25:00 - [12] Edited by: Biglipz on 01/10/2006 19:25:21 Originally by: DeMundus The "exploit" that is ruining pvp, and the base of this game atm is the exploit where some1 jumps though a gate and logs of under cloak to save their ship, or similar situation... Use a scout muppets or stay in empire space where you are safe! To many doing this... Regards mad man DeM... Grrr Are you trying to get this thread locked on purpose? I dont even see why you just said what you said.
CyberGh0st	Posted - 2006.10.01 19:30:00 - [13] Originally by: Wrangler Originally by: FAQ: Suspension & banning Suspensions and bans are private matters between CCP and the players involved. Even if players have done something wrong and we felt it necessary to suspend or ban them from EVE Online, we would not want to publicly humiliate them or deny them their privacy. Wrangler, of course you do not post any names ... No one wants a witch hunt, all I ask is to inform us with "X amount of accounts were banned for X amount of time" or "The exploiting was not severe enough for any bans but we removed large portions of the ill gained ISK" or anything ... Eventually even Mythic realised they had to inform the player with such info ( was regarding radar users ) So no names, just numbers and measures. Honestly quoting a Faq is not gonna help with an exploit of this magnitude. Please dont go the SOE way. Greetings, CyberGh0st.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.01 19:37:00 - [14] When ccp posts about 100 accounts being banned, I bet the thread will contain lots of players saying "What about this guy? And this guy!? They is still in the game! CCP suxorz, me roxorz". And dont forget the "ccp hates my european cluster, but luvs the chinese!" posts. Oh well. I come here for the entertainment anyway. :) --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Razin	Posted - 2006.10.01 19:40:00 - [15] Jeeze, not this **** again. The OP is the definition of an alt troll. ...
DukDodgerz	Posted - 2006.10.01 20:06:00 - [16] Originally by: Razin Jeeze, not this **** again. The OP is the definition of an alt troll. nonono you are confused by the surface simularity to your own typical post, but the OP distinquished their post by not trolling or trying to derail the thread so as to cause a lock. now back to the subject at hand, what will ccp say about the scandle, if anything... I say ccp will say and do nothing, but ccp can prove me wrong at anytime (we can hope).
Crypt Gallente Raging Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.01 20:15:00 - [17] I've sent in a couple of petitions on exploits. I got a warning for my efforts. Thus I cancelled my account as of yesterday. It was a fun 3.5 year ride. I wish CCP the best on resolving the issues, its a great game. Customer service is severely lacking but thats pretty much the case with any and all software in this day and age and CCP is no better or worse at it than most. Have fun and fly safe. Quote: It is a poor sort of man who is content to be spoon-fed knowledge that has been filtered through the canon of religious or political belief
Lifewire Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2006.10.01 20:23:00 - [18] Quote: Suspensions and bans are private matters between CCP and the players involved. Even if players have done something wrong and we felt it necessary to suspend or ban them from EVE Online, we would not want to publicly humiliate them or deny them their privacy. CCP does not need to publish their names - some general info about how many macroers, sploiters and smmacktalkers have been BANNED would be ok. Lets say: CCP kicked 1260 macrominers. Why can this not be published??? This would make a lot of people happy to hear. Forum:http://www.tundragon.com/forum/ Movies:http://www.tundragon.com/pub/eveclips Killboard:http://www.tundragon.com/
Ilea Celentay Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2006.10.01 20:30:00 - [19] I have not yet posted anything on this topic, but I will now. Not sure why... People that need to cheat ruin the game for themselves, they turn something that was designed to be fun into a personal competition beyond that of a fair game. Unfortunately, as we all know cheaters in any way disrupt the game for many more people. Though, as I read these numerous threads about why the exploiters have not yet been banned I do have to ask myself why some people take it on a personal level. I belive, and have and will always believe that CCP love Eve Online on a higher level then that simply to make the wallets bigger... Just in the same way that some people in Eve can be the poorest players, but still have the most fun within the game. I think that those criticizing CCP for not doing anything or demanding they name names donÆt quite understand the principle of owning something thatÆs as vibrant as Eve online, to have created something like this we should all know that CCP and the employees and volunteers care about it. I'm sure that CCP hate the cheaters as much as we all do. IÆm sure that if they could that would ban those that they suspected of cheating on the first sign, but my question is, what happens when they pick an innocent... What happens when that innocent person is You? CCP have made an excellent game, and even though sometimes there customer survive may let a few of us down, we should all know that they do what they can. The problem is, since all the cheating in Eve seams to revolve around selling of in game items for real money, someone will always try and sell it... and worse still someone will always buy it. The final question is out of all these cheaters how often does it really affect you as a player, for me, never, yet... If you now of a said group of people that could be 'illegally funded', why not drive further into them, course more damage, because you know that every ship you kill, every clone you squish, you not only proving that cheaters will always loose, your also costing them real money. Is that not punishment enough? - "We have big plans. Secret plans, but BIG!" Faction\|Tech1 Ship Info
DETOVI Caldari FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.01 21:14:00 - [20] Originally by: Wrangler Originally by: FAQ: Suspension & banning Suspensions and bans are private matters between CCP and the players involved. Even if players have done something wrong and we felt it necessary to suspend or ban them from EVE Online, we would not want to publicly humiliate them or deny them their privacy. CCP 4tl! You can at least post # of accounts banned, etc.
Razin	Posted - 2006.10.01 21:56:00 - [21] Originally by: DukDodgerz Originally by: Razin Jeeze, not this **** again. The OP is the definition of an alt troll. nonono you are confused by the surface simularity to your own typical post, but the OP distinquished their post by not trolling or trying to derail the thread so as to cause a lock. now back to the subject at hand, what will ccp say about the scandle, if anything... I say ccp will say and do nothing, but ccp can prove me wrong at anytime (we can hope). At the very least I'm not posting with an alt. It takes some kind of a pathological spinelessness to hide behind an alt here when your anonymity is already protected by a game toon. DonÆt you believe in the righteousness of what youÆre demanding? What are you afraid of? ...
CyberGh0st	Posted - 2006.10.01 22:07:00 - [22] Edited by: CyberGh0st on 01/10/2006 22:08:39 Originally by: Razin Originally by: DukDodgerz Originally by: Razin Jeeze, not this **** again. The OP is the definition of an alt troll. nonono you are confused by the surface simularity to your own typical post, but the OP distinquished their post by not trolling or trying to derail the thread so as to cause a lock. now back to the subject at hand, what will ccp say about the scandle, if anything... I say ccp will say and do nothing, but ccp can prove me wrong at anytime (we can hope). At the very least I'm not posting with an alt. It takes some kind of a pathological spinelessness to hide behind an alt here when your anonymity is already protected by a game toon. DonÆt you believe in the righteousness of what youÆre demanding? What are you afraid of? Razin, this is my main character, I started playing a week ago. I pointed this out in my post. Honestly Razin, the way you are hijacking this thread spamming nonsense, is that not the definition of a troll? Greetings, CyberGh0st.
Razin	Posted - 2006.10.01 23:22:00 - [23] Originally by: CyberGh0st Edited by: CyberGh0st on 01/10/2006 22:08:39 Originally by: Razin Originally by: DukDodgerz Originally by: Razin Jeeze, not this **** again. The OP is the definition of an alt troll. nonono you are confused by the surface simularity to your own typical post, but the OP distinquished their post by not trolling or trying to derail the thread so as to cause a lock. now back to the subject at hand, what will ccp say about the scandle, if anything... I say ccp will say and do nothing, but ccp can prove me wrong at anytime (we can hope). At the very least I'm not posting with an alt. It takes some kind of a pathological spinelessness to hide behind an alt here when your anonymity is already protected by a game toon. DonÆt you believe in the righteousness of what youÆre demanding? What are you afraid of? Razin, this is my main character, I started playing a week ago. I pointed this out in my post. Honestly Razin, the way you are hijacking this thread spamming nonsense, is that not the definition of a troll? Greetings, CyberGh0st. O RLY! And this is the first issue that you decided to inquire about? Especially charming is your concern for ill received ISK! Pathetic. ...
Exiled One Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2006.10.01 23:26:00 - [24] Originally by: Razin Originally by: CyberGh0st Edited by: CyberGh0st on 01/10/2006 22:08:39 Originally by: Razin Originally by: DukDodgerz Originally by: Razin Jeeze, not this **** again. The OP is the definition of an alt troll. nonono you are confused by the surface simularity to your own typical post, but the OP distinquished their post by not trolling or trying to derail the thread so as to cause a lock. now back to the subject at hand, what will ccp say about the scandle, if anything... I say ccp will say and do nothing, but ccp can prove me wrong at anytime (we can hope). At the very least I'm not posting with an alt. It takes some kind of a pathological spinelessness to hide behind an alt here when your anonymity is already protected by a game toon. DonÆt you believe in the righteousness of what youÆre demanding? What are you afraid of? Razin, this is my main character, I started playing a week ago. I pointed this out in my post. Honestly Razin, the way you are hijacking this thread spamming nonsense, is that not the definition of a troll? Greetings, CyberGh0st. O RLY! And this is the first issue that you decided to inquire about? Especially charming is your concern for ill received ISK! Pathetic. ISK Sellers' supporter!!onetwoneone
Razin	Posted - 2006.10.01 23:30:00 - [25] Originally by: Exiled One Originally by: Razin Originally by: CyberGh0st Edited by: CyberGh0st on 01/10/2006 22:08:39 Originally by: Razin Originally by: DukDodgerz Originally by: Razin Jeeze, not this **** again. The OP is the definition of an alt troll. nonono you are confused by the surface simularity to your own typical post, but the OP distinquished their post by not trolling or trying to derail the thread so as to cause a lock. now back to the subject at hand, what will ccp say about the scandle, if anything... I say ccp will say and do nothing, but ccp can prove me wrong at anytime (we can hope). At the very least I'm not posting with an alt. It takes some kind of a pathological spinelessness to hide behind an alt here when your anonymity is already protected by a game toon. DonÆt you believe in the righteousness of what youÆre demanding? What are you afraid of? Razin, this is my main character, I started playing a week ago. I pointed this out in my post. Honestly Razin, the way you are hijacking this thread spamming nonsense, is that not the definition of a troll? Greetings, CyberGh0st. O RLY! And this is the first issue that you decided to inquire about? Especially charming is your concern for ill received ISK! Pathetic. ISK Sellers' supporter!!onetwoneone That's a hell of a leap in logic. Quote me where I express this support or STFU. ...
Darkenral	Posted - 2006.10.01 23:54:00 - [26] Edited by: Darkenral on 01/10/2006 23:55:11 Weather the OP is an alt or not is irrelevant. The fact that all we get is a canned answer from a FAQ is the more important thing here. Is it really so hard to post a blog X amount of isk was farmed via the exploit X amount of accounts banned X amount of acounts suspended X amount of macroers banned this week Then again its probably pretty hard to do if no action is being taken. Dark
Gothikia Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.02 00:37:00 - [27] Originally by: Darkenral Edited by: Darkenral on 01/10/2006 23:55:11 Weather the OP is an alt or not is irrelevant. The fact that all we get is a canned answer from a FAQ is the more important thing here. Is it really so hard to post a blog X amount of isk was farmed via the exploit X amount of accounts banned X amount of acounts suspended X amount of macroers banned this week Then again its probably pretty hard to do if no action is being taken. Dark tbh i'd rather have CCP work on the game, rather than post information such as bans when there is no point because it will just cause more trolling posts because peeps like yourself wont be happy their not doing enough, and peeps like me would be saying, "i'd rather have them fix the bugs, ship Revelations and improve the general performace of tranquility".
Deja Thoris Revelations Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.02 00:55:00 - [28] Edited by: Deja Thoris on 02/10/2006 00:59:01 Edited by: Deja Thoris on 02/10/2006 00:57:58 Originally by: Wrangler Originally by: FAQ: Suspension & banning Suspensions and bans are private matters between CCP and the players involved. Even if players have done something wrong and we felt it necessary to suspend or ban them from EVE Online, we would not want to publicly humiliate them or deny them their privacy. Oh please be sensible Wrangler, no one is asking for the names of the players banned. Oveur has previously posted things like "blah blah people were banned for macromining last month" A similar post to reassure an increasingly disillusioned community that exploits like this does not go unpunished would be nice. xx number of characters banned xx ISK confiscated and used to buy exotic dancers xxx was done to the plexes in question Seriously, I don't condone it but I can understand why people go to the lengths they do (dumping shuttles in Jita) to get anything other than tight lipped silence and stone-walling out of CCP. Think about it, people have been fighting tooth and nail over a region. Only to find out their opponents had a magically never ending ISK pot. People think it made a mockery of their in-game efforts and confirmation or denial of this would be appropriate. Edited for spelling
DukDodgerz Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.10.02 01:32:00 - [29] Edited by: DukDodgerz on 02/10/2006 01:32:50 Originally by: Deja Thoris Edited by: Deja Thoris on 02/10/2006 00:59:01 Edited by: Deja Thoris on 02/10/2006 00:57:58 Originally by: Wrangler Originally by: FAQ: Suspension & banning Suspensions and bans are private matters between CCP and the players involved. Even if players have done something wrong and we felt it necessary to suspend or ban them from EVE Online, we would not want to publicly humiliate them or deny them their privacy. Oh please be sensible Wrangler, no one is asking for the names of the players banned. Oveur has previously posted things like "blah blah people were banned for macromining last month" A similar post to reassure an increasingly disillusioned community that exploits like this does not go unpunished would be nice. xx number of characters banned xx ISK confiscated and used to buy exotic dancers xxx was done to the plexes in question Seriously, I don't condone it but I can understand why people go to the lengths they do (dumping shuttles in Jita) to get anything other than tight lipped silence and stone-walling out of CCP. Think about it, people have been fighting tooth and nail over a region. Only to find out their opponents had a magically never ending ISK pot. People think it made a mockery of their in-game efforts and confirmation or denial of this would be appropriate. Edited for spelling ccp couldn't care less. If ccp feels it better to keep subscriptions of those using exploits repeated times, then they will, it is their business, let them run it the way they wish too.
DefJam101	Posted - 2006.10.02 01:40:00 - [30] Nothing wrong with the policy. CCP is definetly right to keep these things secret unless the account owner tells them otherwise... They can't go around ranting about how they ban all these people, it's a company after all they do have to have some dignity. I'm sad to say it but back in my WoW days (I went from WoW-To Auto Assault, which collapsed sending me to-EVE) I used a bot so I could level at the same pace as my guildies. I knew it was wrong but I didn't really have a choice, I didn't have enough time to play. Eventually the bot got detected and I was banned etc. etc. I wouldn't want BLizzard flying around the forums telling people how they banned me. Guess it was fate since that skewed me towards EVE, the god of all games \o/ Who knows, maybe if it weren't for that I'd still be WoWing :(

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