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Angry Alt	Posted - 2006.10.02 01:44:00 - [31] Originally by: Wrangler Originally by: FAQ: Suspension & banning Suspensions and bans are private matters between CCP and the players involved. Even if players have done something wrong and we felt it necessary to suspend or ban them from EVE Online, we would not want to publicly humiliate them or deny them their privacy. Blah blah blah. We'd rather scare people than adress valid issues...
Treelox Amarr Storm Industries	Posted - 2006.10.02 01:48:00 - [32] Originally by: DefJam101 I wouldn't want BLizzard flying around the forums telling people how they banned me. actually for at least the first year that WoW was commercial, monthly they put out a release on the blizzard site (not WoW's) that listed total number of accounts active, activated, cancelled, and banned. No names were given, nor reasons for anything, just pure simple facts. Signature edited - this is your last warning - Jacques
Angry Alt	Posted - 2006.10.02 02:33:00 - [33] Originally by: Treelox Originally by: DefJam101 I wouldn't want BLizzard flying around the forums telling people how they banned me. actually for at least the first year that WoW was commercial, monthly they put out a release on the blizzard site (not WoW's) that listed total number of accounts active, activated, cancelled, and banned. No names were given, nor reasons for anything, just pure simple facts. CCP seems to want to put their collective 'heads in the sand'. Ignoring an issue makes it all better, right? More seroiusly it's high time CCP takes on the CONTINUING performance problems and stop shooting flak to disauade discussion. Fix the current performance problems before working on 'other features'. Assign more devs to server stability/performance and THEN work on features. The excuse that there's not enough resources to 'fix' it all is running thin. Put more resources into bugfixing and server performance before allocating more programmers to new features. Fix what is wrong first. The game is nothing if everyone is lagged out. Get your priorities straigh FFS.

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CyberGh0st	Posted - 2006.10.02 07:19:00 - [35] Thanks for cleaning the thread. :p So recap : 1. CCP fixed the issue, and told us this ( forgot where but they did ) So that was the 1st step. 2. CCP has released info about banned accounts before ( no names ), so it would be nice they do this again, and additionally tell people what happened with ( some of ) the ill gained ISK. 3. No one is asking for names, so people learn to read and stop telling that ccp should not release names and ccp stop quoting that you wont give names, cause we didnt ask for names, we dont even want any names !!! 4. Finally when you ( CCP ) are ready to answer, do this on the news page so everyone can read it. ( or make links in the news page to the dev blogs like you are doing lately ) 5. All of this better sooner then later :p Greetings, CyberGh0st.
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.02 07:25:00 - [36] Even if they published the names of banned mains, what does that have to do with privacy? I can assure you that Malachon Draco is not my name in reallife, and any ability of anyone to connect my ingame name to my reallife name is only possible if I give out more information about myself. But even if CCP won't do that, telling us the amount of ISK removed, the amount of assets removed and the number of accounts banned has absolutely NOTHING to do with any privacy being violated.
Estelle Matsuko Caldari The Beiatch Corp Inc	Posted - 2006.10.02 08:24:00 - [37] Originally by: Malachon Draco But even if CCP won't do that, telling us the amount of ISK removed, the amount of assets removed and the number of accounts banned has absolutely NOTHING to do with any privacy being violated. I¦d agree with that.
Estelle Matsuko Caldari The Beiatch Corp Inc	Posted - 2006.10.02 08:26:00 - [38] Originally by: Wrangler Originally by: FAQ: Suspension & banning Suspensions and bans are private matters between CCP and the players involved. Even if players have done something wrong and we felt it necessary to suspend or ban them from EVE Online, we would not want to publicly humiliate them or deny them their privacy. Worst cop out ever. All it does is causes resentment to fester amongst the rest of the player base as they percieve no action (again) being taken against cheaters and exploiters.
Nafri Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.02 09:00:00 - [39] My prediction: 0 account beeing banned 0 isk beeing removed 0 assets beeing removed 1847 polite questions not to do it again beeing made From Dusk till Dawn
Red Ochre	Posted - 2006.10.02 09:17:00 - [40] Originally by: CyberGh0st Originally by: Wrangler Originally by: FAQ: Suspension & banning Suspensions and bans are private matters between CCP and the players involved. Even if players have done something wrong and we felt it necessary to suspend or ban them from EVE Online, we would not want to publicly humiliate them or deny them their privacy. Wrangler, of course you do not post any names ... No one wants a witch hunt, all I ask is to inform us with "X amount of accounts were banned for X amount of time" or "The exploiting was not severe enough for any bans but we removed large portions of the ill gained ISK" or anything ... Eventually even Mythic realised they had to inform the player with such info ( was regarding radar users ) So no names, just numbers and measures. Honestly quoting a Faq is not gonna help with an exploit of this magnitude. Please dont go the SOE way. Greetings, CyberGh0st. and just what will your demand do for the eve community? make you feel better? you sound like a child jumping up and down because he knows his little friend got something and he didnt. or someone has a secret and you want to know too. are you so addled simple lines of thought are not avaiable to you? you demand? ccp do this, all under the guise of a what? a heated suggestion bordering threat. why dont you take a step back and not imerse yourself so much in the game, your thinking like alot is owed to you, and that just isnt so. if your underwear are too tight buy yourself the next size up, your problems obviously stem from that.
Lifewire Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2006.10.02 10:27:00 - [41] CCP gives us patch notes CCP gives us DEV blogs CCP gives us info about hardware upgrades CCP gives us info about new player online records Why not frequently info about a very important job they have: keep the game clean of cheaters, macrominers, esploiters and smacktalkers. As long CCP does not frequently give info about this, most players will think that CCP does not seriously fight on this battlefield. I want to add that CCP can be proud if they banned 2000 macrominers. It¦s part of CCPs work like HW-upgrades and patches to keep EVE tidy. So infos about the game security are good! A referee in soccer does also SHOW HIS PRESENCE. And to show presence is good to keep other players away from foul play. A Soccer game without referee showing presence would quickly look like Rugby or Kung Fu - but not like soccer. And EVE without the GMs presence would quickly look like an ISK-farm. One look on Ebay says it all. CCP should get much more aggressive against foul play and should show it that they have no mercy with cheaters. No names, but show presence! Forum:http://www.tundragon.com/forum/ Movies:http://www.tundragon.com/pub/eveclips Killboard:http://www.tundragon.com/
Treble Top	Posted - 2006.10.02 10:33:00 - [42] Edited by: Treble Top on 02/10/2006 10:34:08 They arn't called CCCP for nothing.... As far as they are concerned, its no longer an issue. Pretty sad that they no longer have any integrity left.
ZiggyX	Posted - 2006.10.02 10:40:00 - [43] Blizzard has always been posting numbers of accounts banned. They have been doing it for almost ten years, with Starcraft, Brood War, Diablo II, Warcraft 3, and now with WoW. It is a smart thing to do. The banned accounts recieve anonymity, while Blizzard shows how active they are in policing and cleaning up the game. However, I know CCP are not going to do it, why? For over 3 years, I've witnessed many critical bug exploits, macros, and large exploit farming operations that were brought directly to senior GM teams and CCP staff, where it was acknowledged that action would be taken. One client patch and/or server hotfix later, the exploit would be gone, but nobody would be banned. There are ugly things that go on behind doors at CCP. Things that get swept under the rug. I have faith in Eve, but not in CCP.
Orri Sarikusa	Posted - 2006.10.02 11:07:00 - [44] 1 account suspended due to be disposed of permanently. Just selling the assets on the next account and then thats it for me and EVE after three years. If CCP want a game where people buy themselves ahead and freely exploit to keep their patch of 0.0 then goodluck. There are some new mmorpgs on the horizon. EVE its on its last planned upgrade anyway and they have another game in development. We knew before Castor was loaded there would be a Kali. There are no planned upgrades after Kali so after that it'll just be tinkering. EVE is in its twilight years for the west. CCP are raking it in from the China server. They just need to squeeze out the last bit of profit from tranquility which means not dishing out bans. --- How to avoid a ban. The Manuel approach - 'I know nothing I'm from Barcelona'
Kaaii Caldari Equilibrium LLC United Confederation of Corporations	Posted - 2006.10.02 11:36:00 - [45] After 3 years its pretty clear to me... Its not what you are allowed to do, but what you can get away with doing... "..Red Alliance aren't better pilots...just better exploiters..." Trading 101
Orri Sarikusa	Posted - 2006.10.02 13:21:00 - [46] Regardless of the technicalties of the bug/exploit and the punishment for that. It would be nice to know where all that ISK went. Are RA really bad pilots that have lost all that in ships? --- How to avoid a ban. The Manuel approach - 'I know nothing I'm from Barcelona'
Centurin Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.10.02 13:48:00 - [47] I dont understand why these threads keep popping up. CCP doesn't care about exploits, macros, Goons using Friends list hacs, etc. Its just the way it is. Banning makes them lose money. Same goes for ebay isk sellers and the like. EVE is only MMO where it's actually legitimate to make a real life living off of it. If you're that concerned about it Cyberghost, I suggest you find another game. EVE can't handle the amount of players we have now anyways. Make sure to donate your isk to me before you leave. Thanks. ----------------------------------------------- "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings" - Optimus Prime Originally by: Boldyn Edited by: Boldyn on 26/09/2006 17:50:19 Lag in EVE gets w
CyberGh0st	Posted - 2006.10.02 13:49:00 - [48] Originally by: Centurin I dont understand why these threads keep popping up. CCP doesn't care about exploits, macros, Goons using Friends list hacs, etc. Its just the way it is. Banning makes them lose money. Same goes for ebay isk sellers and the like. EVE is only MMO where it's actually legitimate to make a real life living off of it. If you're that concerned about it Cyberghost, I suggest you find another game. EVE can't handle the amount of players we have now anyways. Make sure to donate your isk to me before you leave. Thanks. Troll
CyberGh0st	Posted - 2006.10.02 13:49:00 - [49] Originally by: Lifewire CCP gives us patch notes CCP gives us DEV blogs CCP gives us info about hardware upgrades CCP gives us info about new player online records Why not frequently info about a very important job they have: keep the game clean of cheaters, macrominers, esploiters and smacktalkers. As long CCP does not frequently give info about this, most players will think that CCP does not seriously fight on this battlefield. I want to add that CCP can be proud if they banned 2000 macrominers. It¦s part of CCPs work like HW-upgrades and patches to keep EVE tidy. So infos about the game security are good! A referee in soccer does also SHOW HIS PRESENCE. And to show presence is good to keep other players away from foul play. A Soccer game without referee showing presence would quickly look like Rugby or Kung Fu - but not like soccer. And EVE without the GMs presence would quickly look like an ISK-farm. One look on Ebay says it all. CCP should get much more aggressive against foul play and should show it that they have no mercy with cheaters. No names, but show presence! Well said, exactly my point.

Oveur	Posted - 2006.10.02 14:05:00 - [50] How many we ban and for what is entirely internal information and personally I find it a bit weird when companies brag about how many people they banned, which is why you do not see us doing it that often. That being said, last 30 days had 2358 accounts banned. Why did I post it this time? Because I'm proving a point, we do ban thousands of people, the fact that we don't post about it doesn't mean we don't do it. And then people ask, "I reported dude X and he hasn't been banned yet" and so forth and so on. There can be a lot of reasons, which might not be readily apparent, but just to name a few, the support load is high - like the 7000+ cases we've had the last months (believe it or not, helping out a paying customer and lessening his wait is more important than banning a trial account), he's part of an ongoing investigation to get bigger fish and is therefore banned as part of a bigger raid (like on the 1st of october, 285 people were banned) or, and this one might come as a surprise - he was investigated and wasn't doing anything wrong. So relax, take a deep breath - and realize that there might be more reasons for something not happening like you imagined than us not giving a flying ... urhm ... dutchman. Senior Producer EVE Online

Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.02 14:15:00 - [51] Thank you.
R'adeh Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.02 14:25:00 - [52] Now that's something I like to hear. Thank you! __________________________________________________ My views are my own and I don't represent my corp. Please show mercy Drakma!
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2006.10.02 14:27:00 - [53] Edited by: Death Kill on 02/10/2006 14:28:05 Edited by: Death Kill on 02/10/2006 14:27:49 Originally by: Oveur believe it or not, helping out a paying customer and lessening his wait is more important than banning a trial account Do you have any numbers on how many petitions made by paying customers regards trial accounts/exploiters? Also, wouldnt responding to petitions about isk farmers qualefy as 'helping out paying customers'? I just cant seam to seperate the two. I offer great smelling flowers
Ombey Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.02 14:37:00 - [54] Originally by: Oveur That being said, last 30 days had 2358 accounts banned. Well, that's one in the eye for the "OMG, CCP don't ban ppl cos they want their subscriptions!!!!one" crowd. -- ombeve
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.02 14:38:00 - [55] Originally by: Orri Sarikusa 1 account suspended due to be disposed of permanently. Just selling the assets on the next account and then thats it for me and EVE after three years. If CCP want a game where people buy themselves ahead and freely exploit to keep their patch of 0.0 then goodluck. There are some new mmorpgs on the horizon. EVE its on its last planned upgrade anyway and they have another game in development. We knew before Castor was loaded there would be a Kali. There are no planned upgrades after Kali so after that it'll just be tinkering. Just because they haven't told us the name of the expansion after Revelations, it doesn't neccessarily mean that there won't be one. Quote: EVE is in its twilight years for the west. People said Eve was dying three years ago when the peak number of players was five thousand. Quote: CCP are raking it in from the China server. They just need to squeeze out the last bit of profit from tranquility which means not dishing out bans. I heard that the Chinese game wasn't doing as well as expected. Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2006.10.02 14:38:00 - [56] Originally by: Ombey Originally by: Oveur That being said, last 30 days had 2358 accounts banned. Well, that's one in the eye for the "OMG, CCP don't ban ppl cos they want their subscriptions!!!!one" crowd. Dont you know? You can pay for subscriptions with isk. I offer great smelling flowers
Lord WarATron Amarr Out Siders Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.02 14:42:00 - [57] Originally by: Death Kill Originally by: Ombey Originally by: Oveur That being said, last 30 days had 2358 accounts banned. Well, that's one in the eye for the "OMG, CCP don't ban ppl cos they want their subscriptions!!!!one" crowd. Dont you know? You can pay for subscriptions with isk. Yeah but that number includes Trial accounts. But then again, perhaps CCP are running a Sting operation on the plex exploiters, following the trail. Then again, perhaps not :) --- Slot 10 Akemons Modified 'Noble'Zet 5000 implant +8% Armour FREE
Ombey Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.02 14:42:00 - [58] Originally by: Death Kill Dont you know? You can pay for subscriptions with isk. Not sure what your point is though. A lot of ppl whine on here about CCP not doing anything because they like the subs. My comment was aimed at those ppl who haven't thought it through. As for the banned accounts, if they've been paid for with ISK, then that's also brilliant that they've been banned, and lost ISK in the process. -- ombeve
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2006.10.02 14:53:00 - [59] Edited by: Death Kill on 02/10/2006 14:54:11 Originally by: Ombey Not sure what your point is though. A lot of ppl whine on here about CCP not doing anything because they like the subs. My comment was aimed at those ppl who haven't thought it through. I know, the comment wasn't aimed at you personally, I guess what I wanted to say didn't translate as well into English :) Anyhow, point is that the whole argument you refered to about people saying CCP wouldn't do anything because of loss of income is non existant since farmers can easily buy their own time codes and pay the game for free edit : Quote: Yeah but that number includes Trial accounts. But then again, perhaps CCP are running a Sting operation on the plex exploiters, following the trail. Then again, perhaps not :) Ahh that would have been so cool =) I offer great smelling flowers
Estelle Matsuko Caldari The Beiatch Corp Inc	Posted - 2006.10.02 15:00:00 - [60] Edited by: Estelle Matsuko on 02/10/2006 15:01:39 Originally by: Oveur How many we ban and for what is entirely internal information and personally I find it a bit weird when companies brag about how many people they banned, which is why you do not see us doing it that often. That being said, last 30 days had 2358 accounts banned. Why did I post it this time? Because I'm proving a point, we do ban thousands of people, the fact that we don't post about it doesn't mean we don't do it. And then people ask, "I reported dude X and he hasn't been banned yet" and so forth and so on. There can be a lot of reasons, which might not be readily apparent, but just to name a few, the support load is high - like the 7000+ cases we've had the last months (believe it or not, helping out a paying customer and lessening his wait is more important than banning a trial account), he's part of an ongoing investigation to get bigger fish and is therefore banned as part of a bigger raid (like on the 1st of october, 285 people were banned) or, and this one might come as a surprise - he was investigated and wasn't doing anything wrong. So relax, take a deep breath - and realize that there might be more reasons for something not happening like you imagined than us not giving a flying ... urhm ... dutchman. 5 minutes of your time and you lower the collective bloodpressure of the playerbase by at least 5 points. Thankyou.

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