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Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.03 12:33:00 - [91] Originally by: Death Kill Originally by: Ombey Originally by: Oveur That being said, last 30 days had 2358 accounts banned. Well, that's one in the eye for the "OMG, CCP don't ban ppl cos they want their subscriptions!!!!one" crowd. Dont you know? You can pay for subscriptions with isk. Where do you think they get the timecards from, Father Christmas? Think. Then post.
Zooish	Posted - 2006.10.03 12:39:00 - [92] The problem with Eve is not the people exploiting the game, its the childish attitude that "most" of the Eve Player base has become. (just have a look at the trash on the forums). For the stupid and hard of listening ....... CCP will not and cannot publish a list of banned accounts. No matter how much you moan and groan they "will never" legally be able to do it. Period ...... Zip ....... CCP .. Please roll back the clock 3 years, as with only 5000 players the game was more stable and the forums more mature ...
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2006.10.03 12:58:00 - [93] Originally by: Fliewatuet Heh, my second account got banned on the 1st of october because someone with dirty money (prolly from some sort of scam that ccp doesn't allow) bought some of my escrow stuff. :-( Is this true?! Totally stupid and absurd! Hows this possible?! Someone with paid isk buys your stuff, and you suffer. G-A-Y! Unnerf Amarr!Ö "I read somewhere that Kali will be featuring turn-based combat to increase immersion." ¬ Waagaa Ktlehr
Pestillence Chav-Scum	Posted - 2006.10.03 13:11:00 - [94] Originally by: Zooish For the stupid and hard of listening ....... CCP will not and cannot publish a list of banned accounts. No matter how much you moan and groan they "will never" legally be able to do it. Period ...... Zip ....... ... For the hard of reading and comprehension lacking thats not what was asked for
CyberGh0st	Posted - 2006.10.03 13:19:00 - [95] Originally by: Zooish The problem with Eve is not the people exploiting the game, its the childish attitude that "most" of the Eve Player base has become. (just have a look at the trash on the forums). For the stupid and hard of listening ....... CCP will not and cannot publish a list of banned accounts. No matter how much you moan and groan they "will never" legally be able to do it. Period ...... Zip ....... CCP .. Please roll back the clock 3 years, as with only 5000 players the game was more stable and the forums more mature ... Go train reading skill level 1 plz
CyberGh0st	Posted - 2006.10.03 13:29:00 - [96] Originally by: Fubear Edited by: Fubear on 03/10/2006 12:24:57 Originally by: DukDodgerz Originally by: Fubear Considering that taking advantage of the broken spawn times in those complexes was not an exploit (by CCPs definition), why do you think that any accounts were banned or any ISK was removed? By your logic, using carriers in Lvl4 missions was also exploiting a bug, and anyone who has ever used a carrier in lvl4 missions should be banned and their ISK removed. ccp said it was an exploit. stop trolling with FUD in a hope to derail a thread. Please show me where a public annoucement was made labelling running hte complex an exploit? The closest I have seen was that post by Oveur a while back saying that if you don't report a bug you are breaking the EULA, which as stated in the EULA is not a bannable offence. You guys labelled it an exploit, not the devs, and now you are calling for vigelante justice. What the devs do and who gets banned for what are frankly none of your business. If someone is doing something wrong, then petition them and let the GMs handle it. Labelling an inddividual or group as an exploiter or ISK seller without a single shred of proof because CCP didn't take the action YOU WANT against them, is frankly sick and you should all be ashamed of yourselves. EDIT: Waht I mean to say is that if you petition someone, CCP will investigate and either punish the individual or not. It is not your place to dictate what happens and starting forum witch hunts over it is what I would call harrasment. Perhaps you have a point that CCP never said the respawn rate bug was an exploit. Wether it was an exploit or not, it was a serious issue and players who pay each month for a game are entitled to get feedback regarding these issues. This is not just an online game, this is a mmorpg, and we, the players, are entitled to information regarding this online world as long as it does not invade someone else's privacy. It is just the way it is with mmorpg's, the players demand and are entitled to good feedback and information, and if you think otherwise, go look at all the other mmorpg's ... But I must agree that overall the information and service provided by CCP is above average compared to other MMORPG's. For me this case is closed. Greetings, CyberGh0st.
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2006.10.03 14:27:00 - [97] Originally by: Butter Dog Where do you think they get the timecards from, Father Christmas? Think. Then post. lol were you drunk when you posted that? I offer great smelling flowers
Zooish	Posted - 2006.10.03 14:29:00 - [98] Quote: Go train reading skill level 1 plz Only if you train "moaning like a girl Lvl 1" Stop filling up the forums with trash "we demand, we want, its unfair, boo hoo". If you have a issue email CCP and move on ..
Orri Sarikusa	Posted - 2006.10.03 14:42:00 - [99] Exactly CCP didn't label it an exploit when they should have. Hence its not the farmers thats at fault its CCP for the current disatisfaction. It was obviously an exploit compared to other bugs that have been labelled as such in the past three years. Most of the community if asked from a neutral standpoint would view it as an exploit. CCP want the cash so if a lot of people exploit they won't declare as such so they don't have ban anyone even it was obvious. So if you find a bug get as many people as you can to do it and you'll be fine. Kieron stated as much in the announcement about what you should do if you find an abnormal spawn. Thats was a back handed way of saying too many people have exploited this bug so we're not calling it one. So for all the farmers trying to get the thread locked your accounts are safe. The real beef is with another CCP u-turn on policy. Goes in the same bin as:- 1) You should not be able to buy your way ahead, GTC for sale! 2) Our GMs are professional that couldn't possibly be a GM in that rattlesnake. 3)We condone scamming, ere wait you can have your isk back this time but in future you can't. 4) Really 700mill ebayed. CCP plot lost, cya later. --- How to avoid a ban. The Manuel approach - 'I know nothing I'm from Barcelona'
Mysticaa Gallente Fringe Roamers of Goa	Posted - 2006.10.03 16:39:00 - [100] Originally by: Oveur And then people ask, "I reported dude X and he hasn't been banned yet" and so forth and so on. There can be a lot of reasons, which might not be readily apparent, but just to name a few, the support load is high - like the 7000+ cases we've had the last months (believe it or not, helping out a paying customer and lessening his wait is more important than banning a trial account), he's part of an ongoing investigation to get bigger fish and is therefore banned as part of a bigger raid (like on the 1st of october, 285 people were banned) or, and this one might come as a surprise - he was investigated and wasn't doing anything wrong. Biggest problem I have with your system is the lack of information that flows back from the petition system. If I report someone as a macrominer and you determine that he/she was not then please tell me so. Otherwise all I see is a macrominer that CCP does not want to do anything about. It is extremely fustrating to make petitions about people suspected to be macrominers and have absolutly no information coming back. Then seeing the same folk out there mining day after day. ----------------------------------------------- Why do I post here? Originally by: Tao Han "TANK CEO!!!" Quick Wrangler, to the Banmobile!!! Sig snatched by Xorus
DukDodgerz Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.10.03 22:39:00 - [101] found on the EO site: http://www.eve-online.com/pnp/banning.asp ------------------------------------------ 1. EXPLOITS An immediate permanent ban of an account may result if: * a. Investigation shows that a player has employed the use of an exploit tactic despite a public announcement being made to alert players they will be banned for using it. * b. A player who has been previously warned for exploiting and continues to exploit, whether using the same exploit or another. * c. An account holder guilty of employing ôdupingö exploits. Players found to have received the benefits of this exploit may also face reprimand, from removal of the items in question up to, and including, banning of their accounts. * d. A player has engaged in activity that intentionally causes others to lose connection, suffer latency issues (lag) or to crash to desktop (CTD). * e. A player renders himself invulnerable through the use of a bug. * f. A player has created, distributed or advertised an illegal 3rd party program (i.e. macro or cheat program) that disrupts game mechanics, is considered unfriendly or gives an unfair advantage by misusing game features in a way for which they were not intended. Severe offences may result in an immediate ban without warning; however, warnings may be given for first time offenses, followed by account suspensions of varying degree and ultimately a permanent ban if a player: * a. Creates a character using a name that is misleading and causes others to believe he is a fair target, such as a non-player pirate or other NPC entity. * b. Is discovered to be employing the use of a third party program to macro illegally. Funds or goods received from the benefits of macroing are subject to removal from the playerÆs inventory. * c. Is aware of an exploitable bug and fails to report it to Game Masters and/or distributes the information to other players. ------------------------------------------ what I wonder is, why ccp is ignoring their own rules -they knew it was a bug, and exploited it -they knew it and got their freinds to join in on the exploit -they had been caught using lag inducing exploits and warned several times...nothing done so CCP, why ? you made the rules, posted the rules, for all to see, and even say ignorence is no excuse, so why the lack of justice? We still woud like to know you are working on it, and/or have banned guilty parties (no names needed, just numbers related to the offense mentioned in this topic)
Captain Lysander	Posted - 2006.10.03 22:50:00 - [102] Heh, 4 pages... To the OP, for what its worth. I think if you have a look at the Kali notes you will notice that Complex's are do to become random(?)...must be searched for etc... My point is they have said the current system is going to change. I believe it is their policy not to comment on exploits until "after" they have fixed them (i.e. the trade 'nerf'). Hope this helps
Marcus Brook D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.10.03 23:46:00 - [103] Originally by: Deja Thoris It was in my sig courtesy of someone else. If you bug report it they ignore you. If you post about it on the forums they ban you or sweep it under the carpet. If you perform the expolit you get rich. I think this sums it up. CCP have had plenty of time to communicate to their subscribers the extent of the damage done (or lack of) and the actions taken. Ah thats not fair. Its not like the lads and ladies(not sure if ccp has any) of CCP arent working they have been busting a nut to stop bad server lag over the last few weeks, which was pretty bad. They also have to get ready for the deadline of Kali which i cant wait for, and to deal with exploits privately bit by bit must be damm hard anyway its not for us to know if they take action or not as Wrangler said : Originally by: Wrangler Originally by: FAQ: Suspension & banning Suspensions and bans are private matters between CCP and the players involved. Even if players have done something wrong and we felt it necessary to suspend or ban them from EVE Online, we would not want to publicly humiliate them or deny them their privacy. So keep up the good work Guys. Bring on Kali !
DropZone 187	Posted - 2006.10.04 00:22:00 - [104] Honestly, after reading this and every other darn post on the matter I have come to the following conclusion: Forum trolls only want to get kills too. Unfortunately they aren't competant enough to get them in game so they will cry bloody murder till they are blue in the face to get XYZ people banned for something they considered 'not right in their world'. Anyhow, enough is enough. CCP did their thing, they actually have the power to go check things players do not (you know that investigative peice) and took/are taking the action they feel is appropriate. Lay off them, and if you don't like it, quit. It is that simple. Your opinion/voice/statements mean nothing other than wasted bandwidth. Forum trolling has gotten so bad that there is absolutely no expectation that CCP should even read them. Honestly, they should shut them down and use the resources elsewhere. And no, I don't support the complex exploitation but I do support CCP over the conjecture and gossip from a bunch of forum trolls.
DukDodgerz Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.10.04 04:05:00 - [105] Originally by: DropZone 187 Honestly, after reading this and every other darn post on the matter I have come to the following conclusion: Forum trolls only want to get kills too. Unfortunately they aren't competant enough to get them in game so they will cry bloody murder till they are blue in the face to get XYZ people banned for something they considered 'not right in their world'. Anyhow, enough is enough. CCP did their thing, they actually have the power to go check things players do not (you know that investigative peice) and took/are taking the action they feel is appropriate. Lay off them, and if you don't like it, quit. It is that simple. Your opinion/voice/statements mean nothing other than wasted bandwidth. Forum trolling has gotten so bad that there is absolutely no expectation that CCP should even read them. Honestly, they should shut them down and use the resources elsewhere. And no, I don't support the complex exploitation but I do support CCP over the conjecture and gossip from a bunch of forum trolls. if you honestly are against the use of exploits, read the history of the issue and stop assuming you know what has been happening. (then stop trolling yourself). I agree it is ccp's business, and if they want to run it that way, then they can, and honest players can choose to quit...it is a matter of choices on both sides
Lygos ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.04 05:47:00 - [106] Would be neat to see a ticker somewhere on the webpage of the ongoing number of bans. Maybe some statistics for general categories if you track that sort of thing already. I hate complexes and cosmos generally, and it's annoying when I hear of corps abusing them when broken. If other people do it and get away with it, it's no longer optional, but mandatory. This really sucks when you absolutely despise any npcing or grinding. ECM
Orri Sarikusa	Posted - 2006.10.04 07:27:00 - [107] If CCP don't follow the rules how do you expect the player base to do the same? --- How to avoid a ban. The Manuel approach - 'I know nothing I'm from Barcelona'
Wendat Huron Lupus Industries	Posted - 2006.10.04 15:41:00 - [108] I think it's safe to say we all want them LV numbers to drop some.
EchoTheDolphin	Posted - 2006.10.04 17:34:00 - [109] Originally by: Biglipz Edited by: Biglipz on 01/10/2006 19:18:57 Originally by: Wrangler Originally by: FAQ: Suspension & banning Suspensions and bans are private matters between CCP and the players involved. Even if players have done something wrong and we felt it necessary to suspend or ban them from EVE Online, we would not want to publicly humiliate them or deny them their privacy. Bans were not issued over the issue anyway, at least if they were they must have missed some people, i was watching one guy in paticular who would stay online 23 hours a day farming the old bugged complex, as soon as DT was over he would login and would stay till next dt, then the next dt he did the same again, he still plays eve all day. If he wasn't banned for exploiting, he should have been for account sharing. In the case of what happend with this bug, it was exploited to such a grand scale that the playerbase needs some kind of assurance that ccp has taken action. And you didn't petition? Well, you either don't care enough or are hoping GM's police every single player action in game (which is impossible)
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.10.04 18:00:00 - [110] Originally by: Fubear Please show me where a public annoucement was made labelling running hte complex an exploit? Read kieron's post. If you can't connect the dots, then get a T2 pencil. Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile. Originally by: Oveur last 30 days had 2358 accounts banned.
DukDodgerz Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.10.04 18:29:00 - [111] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: Fubear Please show me where a public annoucement was made labelling running hte complex an exploit? Read kieron's post. If you can't connect the dots, then get a T2 pencil. Nice post! What I can not believe to be happening, is happening, ignorence is being the only defence the exploiters have to use, even though the bug was reported a year ago and the rules and proper resolutions are posted all over the EO site. Are rules and subsequent enforcement selectively based on some unknown criteria? I may be completely wrong but aren't rules to be enforced equaly on all players, regardless of excuses and or WHO they are. (Gm being fired recently for a rule violation indicates ccp seems to know rules are for all, but I could be wrong) As so many point out, we dont need a name-and-shame gallery/post, just info that offenders are punished (banned/items-isk removed) Now for a shocker...seems there were several groups abusing the bug (exploiting)...not just the one group even I thought were the only ones. Is the lack of ban stick wrath due to the large number of players and the high ranks they hold what is barring CCP from acting on the exploit abuse? Even the group I belong to would see many senior members banned and the group suffer greatly if the rules were enforced, but they knew what they were doing so can not defend their actions (ban if they deserve it CCP). 3 or 4 threads and several dozen pages all calling for the same thing, are a good indicater of what the majority of the players would like to see, the choice is CCP's to listen or ignore us.
ZiggyX	Posted - 2006.10.05 09:55:00 - [112] Originally by: Oveur How many we ban and for what is entirely internal information and personally I find it a bit weird when companies brag about how many people they banned, which is why you do not see us doing it that often. That being said, last 30 days had 2358 accounts banned. Why did I post it this time? Because I'm proving a point, we do ban thousands of people, the fact that we don't post about it doesn't mean we don't do it. And then people ask, "I reported dude X and he hasn't been banned yet" and so forth and so on. There can be a lot of reasons, which might not be readily apparent, but just to name a few, the support load is high - like the 7000+ cases we've had the last months (believe it or not, helping out a paying customer and lessening his wait is more important than banning a trial account), he's part of an ongoing investigation to get bigger fish and is therefore banned as part of a bigger raid (like on the 1st of october, 285 people were banned) or, and this one might come as a surprise - he was investigated and wasn't doing anything wrong. So relax, take a deep breath - and realize that there might be more reasons for something not happening like you imagined than us not giving a flying ... urhm ... dutchman. No offense Oveur, but I think CCP is running out of reasons for not doing anything. Remember the fabulous 'xploit farm that was m0o, and how much ** they put alliances through before Lord Zap was finally banned? Although I was gratified to see the Revrand(sp) begging for money to fill his negative wallet, m0o got away with so much cheating before action was finally taken. Damage-stacking exploit, for starters? Oh, how about all those alliances that lagfarm jetcans and bookmarks in front of gates? This kind of exploiting has been going on for over TWO YEARS without being *ed-down! Didn't you promise to hand out bans to certain BoB players for doing POS exploits in Delve? Knocking out certain structures to bug a POS into offlining? How many ships were hijacked through exploiting the POS shield bug? How many of these people did you ban? There were no investigations, no punishments, nothing! I certainly don't expect CCP to enforce any of the POS exploits that RA has been involved with. RA has been farming exploits since CASTOR. Remember all the billions they made from smartbomb-chaining spawns every two seconds? Unless you want to jog my memory, I think only 4 of them got issued bans, and one of them was uplifted. RA has been on a fearless cheating spree ever since! You may think it is impressive to ban 2,000 accounts in a month, however I'm betting it's only trials, ISK spamming and/or laundering accounts. That is chump-change compared to the real mass scale cheating going on. "You can take two-thousand drug pushers off the streets, without making the eyes of a wealthy druglord even blink."**
Kadril	Posted - 2006.10.05 11:11:00 - [113] I agree that it must be seen that trying to take advantage of bugs results in punishment. Else the only message it sends is "milk exploits for all they are worth, and then play stupid and ignorant when the loophole is publically exposed. Pocket one's gains and look for a different loophole when the original is closed off." Even if not a public name & shame, at least give us some indication that there is some form of punishment or removal of their gains.
DukDodgerz Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.10.05 22:29:00 - [114] Originally by: Kadril I agree that it must be seen that trying to take advantage of bugs results in punishment. Else the only message it sends is "milk exploits for all they are worth, and then play stupid and ignorant when the loophole is publically exposed. Pocket one's gains and look for a different loophole when the original is closed off." Even if not a public name & shame, at least give us some indication that there is some form of punishment or removal of their gains. you repeat what so many have said. if the public is allowed to believe that exploits will not result in punishement, then exploits will become the game-killer fast. name and shame is not needed, just afirmation that CCP has and will ban ANYONE that was found using an exploit. once banned, the parties can offer a defense to their actions, and details can be resolved (game time added for time lost if needed) but to be seen as doing NOTHING, CCP is giving imlpied permissions to use exploits without fear of punishement. If this is how ccp wishes to conduct their business then it is their choice, but many see it as poor judgement.
DukDodgerz Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2006.10.13 13:03:00 - [115] well, the subject seems to have been forgotten, but the damage is still there as are those that committed the offenses. what I predicted is happening, the hope is that the topic will fade away. Has CCP done anything? Will they even bother to aknowledge that the exploit happened and punishements are being enacted, or is it an issue with $$$$$$$$$ being the ruling factor. Now here is a serious questine; If I find a bug, exploit it as much and with as many as the 8/10 bug suffered, will I and my friends be left alone also?

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