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Markos Cerrilus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.08 03:46:16 -
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I think something missing from the game is EWAR capital ships.
With the ability to Triage being so dominant, somehting on the capitol level is totally missing. having a capitol ship that could field this from distance would be a huge balance to logi warefare on the capitol scale.
Also there is currently no training path above battleships. Sensor dirsuption, ECM, tracking disruption, or capitol CAP warefare would enhance this dynamic incredibly!
AN awesome idea if you could jam out the booster in a fleet, they would get jammed. This effect would be an effect that would be a palpable effect (also would require a lot of luck). |
Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Fidelas Constans
1952
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Posted - 2015.02.08 03:47:28 -
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Supers have remote ecm burst |
Diospora
The Oasis Group
TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
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Posted - 2015.02.08 03:53:47 -
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Yeah but that's not something that can counter triaged ships or even Titans, which ECM doesn't really work against. This is something that is definitely missing from the game. It shouldn't be easy to train into but it should be available.
Also, I think that if a squad leader gets jammed it should affect their command and control systems such that their squad suffers all or a portion of that jamming, same with wing leader or the FC. |
d0cTeR9
Astro Technologies
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
35
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Posted - 2015.02.08 04:58:19 -
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Remote ECM Burst works against targets that are immune to EWAR. |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Cynosural Field Theory.
1518
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Posted - 2015.02.08 05:55:25 -
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Markos Cerrilus wrote:I think something missing from the game is EWAR capital ships.
With the ability to Triage being so dominant, somehting on the capitol level is totally missing. having a capitol ship that could field this from distance would be a huge balance to logi warefare on the capitol scale.
Also there is currently no training path above battleships. Sensor dirsuption, ECM, tracking disruption, or capitol CAP warefare would enhance this dynamic incredibly!
AN awesome idea if you could jam out the booster in a fleet, they would get jammed. This effect would be an effect that would be a palpable effect (also would require a lot of luck).
E-war modules are mandatoray in every carriers cargohold anyway....no need for caps with extra bonus for that.
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Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa
Stark Enterprises
2756
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Posted - 2015.02.08 06:57:35 -
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Eugene Kerner wrote:Markos Cerrilus wrote:I think something missing from the game is EWAR capital ships.
With the ability to Triage being so dominant, somehting on the capitol level is totally missing. having a capitol ship that could field this from distance would be a huge balance to logi warefare on the capitol scale.
Also there is currently no training path above battleships. Sensor dirsuption, ECM, tracking disruption, or capitol CAP warefare would enhance this dynamic incredibly!
AN awesome idea if you could jam out the booster in a fleet, they would get jammed. This effect would be an effect that would be a palpable effect (also would require a lot of luck). E-war modules are mandatoray in every carriers cargohold anyway....no need for caps with extra bonus for that.
So lets delete the e-war sub caps then.
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baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
14892
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Posted - 2015.02.08 09:06:23 -
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Tracking disruptor bonus on a capital
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Orchid Fury
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2015.02.08 10:31:23 -
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capitals and supercapitals are the worst addition to the game in an attempt to deal with the wrong design issue of massive ehp on ships and structures.
if at all capitals, besides freigthers, should be removed from the game. |
Anton Menges Saddat
Minion Revolution
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
71
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Posted - 2015.02.08 11:23:51 -
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Orchid Fury wrote:capitals and supercapitals are the worst addition to the game in an attempt to deal with the wrong design issue of massive ehp on ships and structures.
if at all capitals, besides freigthers, should be removed from the game.
no |
Aiwha
Infinite Point
Nulli Secunda
798
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Posted - 2015.02.08 11:30:17 -
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The only EWAR cap I want is a Blood Raiders faction dread. HNNNNNNG... THAT SKIN. THEM CAPITAL NEUTS.
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Jack Hayson
Atztech Inc.
Ixtab.
84
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Posted - 2015.02.08 13:02:43 -
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Markos Cerrilus wrote:With the ability to Triage being so dominant, somehting on the capitol level is totally missing.
No it's not.
Bring Bhaalgorns.
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Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
38
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Posted - 2015.02.08 13:10:23 -
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Guristas ewar carrier, sounds like a best of possible be. Electronics superiority plus drones.
Nuets are not ewar. |
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
1340
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Posted - 2015.02.08 13:32:47 -
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Hmmm, an E-war capital would be able to convince me into training capitals at long last... I have a fondness for all ships with an e-war bonus, even tho I doubt I'll fly them all.
The E-war thingie is even the reason I trained the Caldari Black ops BS  Doubt I'll ever get to use it like that, but it's fun knowing that I could if I want to.
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The Protato
Vitriolic Animosity
Diplomatic Immunity.
261
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Posted - 2015.02.08 15:37:50 -
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Orchid Fury wrote:capitals and supercapitals are the worst addition to the game in an attempt to deal with the wrong design issue of massive ehp on ships and structures.
if at all capitals, besides freigthers, should be removed from the game.
If we're going down that vein of conversation, then of course freighters should be removed. Dreads "replace" DPS battleship hulls, carriers "replace" logistics hulls and freighters "replace" haulers. Therefore remove freighters to breathe life back into haulers. |
Hal Morsh
Icendus Corux
Warp to Cyno.
251
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Posted - 2015.02.08 16:01:58 -
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Just going to point out how people use haulers lots, in case someone reading the above is dense.
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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Jovian Labs
Jovian Enterprises
17090
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Posted - 2015.02.08 16:35:47 -
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Whatever the class would be, we should call them "Dictators"  "Localized (insert ewar type) Field", a different one for each race
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VTyx Soul
MASS A DEATH
Mordus Angels
39
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Posted - 2015.02.08 19:23:46 -
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How about a capital with local area bonuses or buffs to a small area of say 15kms |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
919
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Posted - 2015.02.08 19:33:11 -
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VTyx Soul wrote:How about a capital with local area bonuses or buffs to a small area of say 15kms
We may see something like that if they ever get their work on ogb done.
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
3815
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Posted - 2015.02.08 20:08:33 -
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This thread has been moved to Features & Ideas Discussion.
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Vice Admiral
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Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa
Stark Enterprises
2756
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Posted - 2015.02.08 20:15:31 -
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Orchid Fury wrote:capitals and supercapitals are the worst addition to the game in an attempt to deal with the wrong design issue of massive ehp on ships and structures.
if at all capitals, besides freigthers, should be removed from the game.
No one cares what you think.
GO play WoW.
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Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Fidelas Constans
1954
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Posted - 2015.02.08 20:34:06 -
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Thinking a little further into it, giving dreads capital neuts (scaling against subcaps similar to Titan guns) would be neat. You would then have your carriers for fleet support and your dreads for full on capital killing efficiency; in addition to current capabilities. |
Victoria Ramsay
BOVRIL bOREers Mining CO-OP
Brave Collective
8
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Posted - 2015.02.08 21:15:35 -
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....can you imagine how overpowered an ewar cap would be though? You can already completely **** up a fleet that has capitals by using a scorpion or a bhaalgorn. Jam out their logi and the fleet goes poof.
It could be interesting - but it would need to be thought out very very carefully and tested sufficiently to make sure it's well balanced first..... |
Kabark
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2015.02.08 22:04:27 -
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Victoria Ramsay wrote:....can you imagine how overpowered an ewar cap would be though? You can already completely **** up a fleet that has capitals by using a scorpion or a bhaalgorn. Jam out their logi and the fleet goes poof.
It could be interesting - but it would need to be thought out very very carefully and tested sufficiently to make sure it's well balanced first.....
I agree this would be very OP. First off, an ECM scorp or widow can devastate an enemy fleet as is until it is destroyed. Secondly, I only see this working for carriers as supers and dreads are immune to ewar (siege). And carriers already have an ewar option, ecm drones x10-15 works pretty damn well. I call them my "chaff and flares." |
Lugh Crow-Slave
691
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Posted - 2015.02.08 23:38:00 -
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Utility support is a job left to sub caps not capitals
capitals are set up to need a sub cap support fleet and be helpless on their own
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Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
38
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Posted - 2015.02.08 23:57:32 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Utility support is a job left to sub caps not capitals
capitals are set up to need a sub cap support fleet and be helpless on their own
Wut? |
d0cTeR9
Astro Technologies
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
36
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Posted - 2015.02.09 00:12:18 -
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Orchid Fury wrote:capitals and supercapitals are the worst addition to the game in an attempt to deal with the wrong design issue of massive ehp on ships and structures.
if at all capitals, besides freigthers, should be removed from the game.
Noped. Don't knock 'em cuz you can't fly 'em and cuz they keep killing your ****** little t1 cruiser. |
Anthar Thebess
858
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Posted - 2015.02.09 08:05:42 -
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We have scorpion, lets use this hull.
What we need is stuff that can affect capitals , especially carriers and mother ships.
Sieged dreads already have multiple drawbacks, Titan cannot defend itself well, even 100 titans on grid is easy target for subcapitals.
Only carriers and mother ships are here the issue.
When there is group of them they can:
- have infinite cap pool thanks to remote energy transfers
- have unbreakable tank thanks to remote reps ( yes you can kill every thing, simply eve nodes are not strong enough to sustain so many ships on grid , and TIDI makes dread doctrines not efficient )
- instantly refit to any situation ( because capitals use subcapital hards, smartbombs, neuts they can easily use their fleet hangar to hold fits for any possible doctrines)
- hold enough drones in the dron bay to replace almost any amount of lost drones.
Yes we can talk about capital level Ewar, but eve is different , or at lease it was this until carriers proved that they are excluded from this rule.
In eve you don't need bigger ship to win, you need to use just your head.
For example :
- someone get lazers - you bring neuts
- someone bring arty guns - you bring tracking distruptors or dampers
- somoene bring missile ships - you bring smartbomb fire wall
Because of this Scorpion should get higslot Ewar modules that will effectively disturb energy transfer range , drone control range , and remote repair range of a carrier or mothership if at the same time this or any other module could affect the ability to refit on filed - slowcats could be finally putted in the place of support fleet , not universal , and "i win" button doctrine.
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Janeway84
Def Squadron
Pride Before Fall
137
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Posted - 2015.02.09 08:52:22 -
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The solution is simple!
Make pirate capitals with ewar bonuses so we can neut and ecm ect. but only t1 caps not supers. |
Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
38
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Posted - 2015.02.09 12:13:42 -
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Personally i really up for a dread guristas ewar carrier.
That's gonna be a nasty. With electronics superiority perfect drone damage application but with only one remote repair bonus something like range or duration of rr.
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Ben Ishikela
14
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Posted - 2015.02.09 15:42:58 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:We have scorpion, lets use this hull.
What we need is stuff that can affect capitals , especially carriers and mother ships.
Sieged dreads already have multiple drawbacks, Titan cannot defend itself well, even 100 titans on grid is easy target for subcapitals.
(...)
Only carriers and mother ships are here the issue.
(...)
Yes we can talk about capital level Ewar, but eve is different , or at lease it was this until carriers proved that they are excluded from this rule.
(...)
In eve you don't need bigger ship to win, you need to use just your head.
(...)
Because of this Scorpion should get higslot Ewar modules that will effectively disturb energy transfer range , drone control range , and remote repair range of a carrier or mothership if at the same time this or any other module could affect the ability to refit on filed - slowcats could be finally putted in the place of support fleet , not universal , and "i win" button doctrine.
+1 for more Ewar in Highslots
+1 for Ewar as conter towards capitals
+1 for ewar affecting dronecontrolrange
+1 for more disablers
+1 for Battleship versatility xD
-1 for scorpion only
+4 |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc
The Bloc
1547
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Posted - 2015.02.09 15:54:36 -
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baltec1 wrote:Tracking disruptor bonus on a capital
Do we get bonused capital class remote tracking computer at the same time? |
Kabark
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2015.02.09 16:51:07 -
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Ben Ishikela wrote:Anthar Thebess wrote:We have scorpion, lets use this hull.
What we need is stuff that can affect capitals , especially carriers and mother ships.
Sieged dreads already have multiple drawbacks, Titan cannot defend itself well, even 100 titans on grid is easy target for subcapitals.
(...)
Only carriers and mother ships are here the issue.
(...)
Yes we can talk about capital level Ewar, but eve is different , or at lease it was this until carriers proved that they are excluded from this rule.
(...)
In eve you don't need bigger ship to win, you need to use just your head.
(...)
Because of this Scorpion should get higslot Ewar modules that will effectively disturb energy transfer range , drone control range , and remote repair range of a carrier or mothership if at the same time this or any other module could affect the ability to refit on filed - slowcats could be finally putted in the place of support fleet , not universal , and "i win" button doctrine.
+1 for more Ewar in Highslots +1 for Ewar as conter towards capitals +1 for ewar affecting dronecontrolrange +1 for more disablers +1 for Battleship versatility xD -1 for scorpion only
+4 Now this is something interesting. EWar that hampers Exfer and RR would be a great battlefield multiplier. Disrupting drone control range reduction could be a script with sensor dampeners? I like this idea but all races should have a ship with dedicated bonuses to such modules. Not just the scorp.
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Diospora
The Oasis Group
TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
0
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Posted - 2015.02.12 03:00:27 -
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Kabark wrote:Victoria Ramsay wrote:....can you imagine how overpowered an ewar cap would be though? You can already completely **** up a fleet that has capitals by using a scorpion or a bhaalgorn. Jam out their logi and the fleet goes poof.
It could be interesting - but it would need to be thought out very very carefully and tested sufficiently to make sure it's well balanced first..... I agree this would be very OP. First off, an ECM scorp or widow can devastate an enemy fleet as is until it is destroyed. Secondly, I only see this working for carriers as supers and dreads are immune to ewar (siege). And carriers already have an ewar option, ecm drones x10-15 works pretty damn well. I call them my "chaff and flares."
Of course it would be OP if a battleship hull could do EWAR on capital class ships. This is why (I think) that the OP suggested that there be capital class EWAR ships specifically. That way there is some risk in deploying them to the field. Sure, that capital EWAR ship can mess things up in terms of reducing a fleets effectiveness, blocking bonuses etc. and also being able to EWAR ships that are immune to EWAR but it's also a risk to them in that they have to field a capital class ship that is easily identified and because it's so big, a giant magnet for guns and for dying. Which then brings it down to a risk/reward calculation, do you go after the EWAR cap ship? or do you go after the DPS first?
I still think it's a fantastic idea.
Enabling this kind of ability on any hull less than a capital sized hull defeats the purpose because there must be a risk involved with being able to field something that is potentially as powerful as this could be. i.e. You shouldn't be able to EWAR ships that were previously immune just by spending 200m on a hull. You need to buy a cap to do it. |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
2267
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Posted - 2015.02.12 07:41:55 -
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Rowells wrote:Thinking a little further into it, giving dreads capital neuts (scaling against subcaps similar to Titan guns) would be neat. You would then have your carriers for fleet support and your dreads for full on capital killing efficiency; in addition to current capabilities.
+Cannot be used on subcaps.
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2346
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Posted - 2015.02.12 08:45:00 -
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I was thinking a while back of having a mini-capital dedicated to pointing and jamming capital and supercapital ships. It would have tank and maneuverability somewhere between a battleship and carrier, so that dreadnoughts can shoot it down but not so easily. It would be a HEAVY heavy interdictor, and in addition to pointing supercapitals, it could use jamming modules specially designed to be effective against capital ships.
Capital neutralizers and nosferatus is also an excellent idea.
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