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baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 15002	Posted - 2015.02.15 23:50:54 - [601] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Oh...lol...that is a great one. You can multibox afk rat and mine in nullsec to your hearts content. And it seems like the goons are experts at that. http://greedygoblin.blogspot.com/2015/02/january-ratting-data.html You can pump out isk running L5s, anoms, rattingg, etc..... And that's where the isk/hour min maxers hang out. What you want is complete dominance of the game by nullsec powerblocs. What you want is for everyone who wants to make decent isk to be forced to join one of your cartel alliances. And that you will never get. And no amount of ganking, whining, etc... will ever change that. Shock horror, you get your info from the biggest grr goon conspiracy theorist in the game. Truth is, sov null sucks balls for the line members. High sec offers better isk with much more safety and far less effort. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Marsha Mallow 1950	Posted - 2015.02.15 23:53:53 - [602] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Oh...lol...that is a great one. You can multibox afk rat and mine in nullsec to your hearts content. And it seems like the goons are experts at that. http://greedygoblin.blogspot.com/2015/02/january-ratting-data.html Gevlon is only a credible source if you think about the evil fatty goons when you touch yourself at night. Veers Belvar wrote: You can pump out isk running L5s, anoms, rattingg, etc..... And that's where the isk/hour min maxers hang out. 'Min/maxers' is not an appropriate phrase here. Seriously, go wash your mouth out. Most of the dedicated ISK whores are either in WHs or playing the market at a high level. The mouthy farmers in nullsec are just as despised as any other type of farmer, and are unsurprisingly murdered around the time they get their first super. Veers Belvar wrote: What you want is complete dominance of the game by nullsec powerblocs. Highsec impacts the rest of the game in an extraordinarily unbalanced way given the pitiful amount of effort and attention required. If anything, it's your economic dominance and entitlement being challenged. Veers Belvar wrote: What you want is for everyone who wants to make decent isk to be forced to join one of your cartel alliances. And that you will never get. And no amount of ganking, whining, etc... will ever change that. Sounds like fighting talk to me. You're already halfway there. My cartel is in lowsec btw, and ehm... you're probably not welcome. DON'T BE RIDICULOUS!
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 504	Posted - 2015.02.16 00:48:20 - [603] - Quote Marsha Mallow wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Oh...lol...that is a great one. You can multibox afk rat and mine in nullsec to your hearts content. And it seems like the goons are experts at that. http://greedygoblin.blogspot.com/2015/02/january-ratting-data.html Gevlon is only a credible source if you think about the evil fatty goons when you touch yourself at night. Veers Belvar wrote: You can pump out isk running L5s, anoms, rattingg, etc..... And that's where the isk/hour min maxers hang out. 'Min/maxers' is not an appropriate phrase here. Seriously, go wash your mouth out. Most of the dedicated ISK whores are either in WHs or playing the market at a high level. The mouthy farmers in nullsec are just as despised as any other type of farmer, and are unsurprisingly murdered around the time they get their first super. Veers Belvar wrote: What you want is complete dominance of the game by nullsec powerblocs. Highsec impacts the rest of the game in an extraordinarily unbalanced way given the pitiful amount of effort and attention required. If anything, it's your economic dominance and entitlement being challenged. Veers Belvar wrote: What you want is for everyone who wants to make decent isk to be forced to join one of your cartel alliances. And that you will never get. And no amount of ganking, whining, etc... will ever change that. Sounds like fighting talk to me. You're already halfway there. My cartel is in lowsec btw, and ehm... you're probably not welcome. Grrr Gevlon is not a credible argument. If you have evidence to refute his data, please present them. Otherwise you are just blowing hot air. Grrr PvE players is also kind of lame. Please. Grrr highsec. That you dislike highsec is your own problem. It's a key part of the game...and you lack the power to change that. It was not designed to be a training ground for low/null, it was designed to be an integral part of the game with solid isk making opportunities. Please try to ruin highsec PvE for us...if James 315, 600 billion isk, and a whole bunch of nullsec alts could do basically nothing, you will excuse me for not being overly concerned by the likes of you. As for not being welcome to your little group....I would not want to join highway. I am much more happy in a lucrative, welcoming, and entertaining highsec, far away from the nasty types who hang out in low/null. No thanks, not now, not ever. Highsec for life.
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 6499	Posted - 2015.02.16 00:53:11 - [604] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: I am much more happy in a lucrative, welcoming, and entertaining highsec, far away from the nasty types who hang out in low/null. No thanks, not now, not ever. Highsec for life. Translation: highsec isn't risky enough. Thanks for clarifying that for us, Veers. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Marsha Mallow 1954	Posted - 2015.02.16 01:01:11 - [605] - Quote Guess we'll just have to come to you Veers DON'T BE RIDICULOUS!
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 6501	Posted - 2015.02.16 01:01:54 - [606] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: I am much more happy in a lucrative, welcoming, and entertaining highsec, far away from the nasty types who hang out in low/null. No thanks, not now, not ever. Highsec for life. Translation: highsec isn't risky enough. Thanks for clarifying that for us, Veers. Translation: highsec wasn't meant to be risky, it was meant to be fun. It was meant for people who want to do collaborative PvE, and avoid PvP combat. Different strokes for different folks. If you want a nerfed to heck highsec full of noobs and no one else....try a different game, because Eve it sure ain't. All of EVE was meant to be risky, but highsec was intended to be safer. Not safe, safer. It was never ever intended for avoiding PVP, ever, it was never intended to be risk free, ever, and collaborative PVP is just as possible in all areas of space, not just highsec. In fact, it's more likely to occur outside of highsec because highsec communities are virtually non-existent by nature of the risk- and social-averse types that choose to remain there. I don't need someone who doesn't know the first thing about EVE like yourself telling me what EVE is and is not, by the way. I figured it out a long time ago, accepted and adapted to it, something that you blithely refuse to do while wilfully ignoring what EVE is and was always intended to be. Which is why I'm demonstrably better at it then you and can survive in more environments within the game, while you're stuck in highsec too afraid to venture beyond it should you lose another Rupture to a gatecamp you failed to scout. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Kaarous Aldurald Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 11789	Posted - 2015.02.16 01:02:46 - [607] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Not true at all...wormholes, low, and null are all more lucrative on an isk/hour basis. Nope. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Chopper Rollins Lantean Empire 1043	Posted - 2015.02.16 01:03:11 - [608] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: I am much more happy in a lucrative, welcoming, and entertaining highsec, far away from the nasty types who hang out in low/null. My head is spinning, do you have any idea what you're talking about? Or are you roleplaying? Anyway, point taken, hisec needs to be riskified. Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 6501	Posted - 2015.02.16 01:10:31 - [609] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Highsec offers ...less anger & rage. There need be no clearer evidence that you've never been outside of highsec than this ridiculous assertion. Save for your own rage at failing anything that comes with real risk, you definitely haven't spent enough time outside of highsec if you think there's less rage there. The only time I get rage mail, ever, is when I'm doing my killing in high. The ONLY time. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Vic Jefferson GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 160	Posted - 2015.02.16 01:15:34 - [610] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Not true at all...wormholes, low, and null are all more lucrative on an isk/hour basis. Highsec offers more collaboration, more cooperation, and less anger & rage. It's a place for people who want to be constructive rather than destructive, and who want to help others rather than hurt them. No wonder 80% of the playerbase lives there rather than in the Eve version of Somalia. You seem to have selective reading, so there's really no point in further describing the ISK/hr disparity any further. It is where there is actual risks, internal and external, where you actually see people meaningfully helping each other. I have no problem with people who choose Hi Sec, I have a problem with Hi Sec being better than a vast majority of the game, and in the process, destroying it. Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X
Kaarous Aldurald Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 11789	Posted - 2015.02.16 01:19:07 - [611] - Quote Vic Jefferson wrote: I have no problem with people who choose Hi Sec, I have a problem with Hi Sec being better than a vast majority of the game, and in the process, destroying it. The problem rises from the fact that the people in highsec have no problem destroying the rest of the game with their selfishness. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 505	Posted - 2015.02.16 02:32:47 - [612] - Quote Vic Jefferson wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Not true at all...wormholes, low, and null are all more lucrative on an isk/hour basis. Highsec offers more collaboration, more cooperation, and less anger & rage. It's a place for people who want to be constructive rather than destructive, and who want to help others rather than hurt them. No wonder 80% of the playerbase lives there rather than in the Eve version of Somalia. You seem to have selective reading, so there's really no point in further describing the ISK/hr disparity any further. It is where there is actual risks, internal and external, where you actually see people meaningfully helping each other. I have no problem with people who choose Hi Sec, I have a problem with Hi Sec being better than a vast majority of the game, and in the process, destroying it. Highsec is in no meaningful way "better" than C6 escalations or 10/10 DED sites. What it does offer is a different style of play, where you work with people instead of against them, and don't face open PvP ship to ship combat. That you, and your goon allies, detest that, is your personal problem, and thankfully a sentiment that has been overwhelmingly rejected by both the game developers are the player base.
Kaarous Aldurald Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 11791	Posted - 2015.02.16 02:34:49 - [613] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Highsec is in no meaningful way "better" than C6 escalations or 10/10 DED sites. Except for: Near perfect safety. Total sustainability. No RNG dependency. You know, the three things that matter most for income generation. Highsec should be nerfed, and nerfed hard. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 505	Posted - 2015.02.16 02:36:49 - [614] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Highsec is in no meaningful way "better" than C6 escalations or 10/10 DED sites. Except for: Near perfect safety. Total sustainability. No RNG dependency. You know, the three things that matter most for income generation. Highsec should be nerfed, and nerfed hard. Yes, and VASTLY less isk/hour.....seems perfectly balanced to me. If it was unbalanced, hard knocks would shut down and come run highsec missions. Lemme know when that happens and the goons disband. Thanks.
Kaarous Aldurald Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 11791	Posted - 2015.02.16 02:39:46 - [615] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Yes, and VASTLY less isk/hour. Except that it's not. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 505	Posted - 2015.02.16 02:41:53 - [616] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Yes, and VASTLY less isk/hour. Except that it's not. I see...how much do you think you can make per hour running escalations in a C6...and what do you think you can pull in an hour doing incursions/L4s in highsec?
Erica Dusette Isogen 5 37681	Posted - 2015.02.16 02:45:29 - [617] - Quote I love your posts Veers. I almost never agree with them, but I love them. So consistent, and you just keep going and going and going. You get so many people riled up it's hilarious Veers Belvar wrote: hard knocks would shut down and come run highsec missions. Lemme know when that happens and the goons disband. Thanks. I've never really looked at Hard Knocks as a PVE group. Though I heard they're renting now. But tell me Veers, why is the 'n' silent? Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again! Part-Time Wormhole Pirate pâä Full-Time Supermodel The Endgame \| Wormhole Diaries
Ned Thomas Hellbound Turkeys Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects 876	Posted - 2015.02.16 02:47:42 - [618] - Quote It took Veers this long to find this thread? He's getting slow. Vote Sabriz!
Kaarous Aldurald Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 11791	Posted - 2015.02.16 02:51:43 - [619] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: I see...how much do you think you can make per hour running escalations in a C6...and what do you think you can pull in an hour doing incursions/L4s in highsec? Are escalations both infinitely sustainable and 99% safe? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 505	Posted - 2015.02.16 02:58:10 - [620] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: I see...how much do you think you can make per hour running escalations in a C6...and what do you think you can pull in an hour doing incursions/L4s in highsec? Are escalations both infinitely sustainable and 99% safe? Certainly more sustainable than highsec incursions (0 non-island ones up right now), and any loss in safety is compensated by massively higher rewards. Not to mention that the bad boy escalation groups have close to 100% safety.
Ned Thomas Hellbound Turkeys Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects 876	Posted - 2015.02.16 03:01:31 - [621] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: I see...how much do you think you can make per hour running escalations in a C6...and what do you think you can pull in an hour doing incursions/L4s in highsec? Are escalations both infinitely sustainable and 99% safe? Certainly more sustainable than highsec incursions (0 non-island ones up right now), and any loss in safety is compensated by massively higher rewards. Not to mention that the bad boy escalation groups have close to 100% safety. Ok, I've missed it......are we comparing high sec incursions to wormhole escalations? Vote Sabriz!
Erica Dusette Isogen 5 37692	Posted - 2015.02.16 03:06:12 - [622] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Not to mention that the bad boy escalation groups have close to 100% safety. Yep. Can confirm. Get out there and get escalating! Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again! Part-Time Wormhole Pirate pâä Full-Time Supermodel The Endgame \| Wormhole Diaries
Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden 505	Posted - 2015.02.16 03:10:09 - [623] - Quote Erica Dusette wrote: Veers Belvar wrote: Not to mention that the bad boy escalation groups have close to 100% safety. Yep. Can confirm. Get out there and get escalating! Ya, the bad boys stomp the lesser groups. In highsec the gankers do much the same. Wormholes still pay MUCH better...and you don't see wormhole folks running in highsec...because even with losses, isk/hour still better in da holes.
Erica Dusette Isogen 5 37692	Posted - 2015.02.16 03:12:36 - [624] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: Ya, the bad boys stomp the lesser groups. Thanks Veers. I'll see if Lotor wants to put your quote in our corp description. Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again! Part-Time Wormhole Pirate pâä Full-Time Supermodel The Endgame \| Wormhole Diaries
BuckStrider Nano-Tech Experiments 517	Posted - 2015.02.16 03:56:46 - [625] - Quote Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote: I report, you decide. F I think I've decided that you gave up Mine smart. Mine safe. Purchase your mining permit today...... www.minerbumping.com
Jeaile OCBF 8	Posted - 2015.02.16 04:27:22 - [626] - Quote Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote: When did we as a community stop saying that? Perhaps the same time we all became paper-pants wearing vegans, stopped inoculating our kids from measles, started driving crappy hybrids, began believing in global warming, and simply stopped being men. F Bah ha ha, you make a thread whining about how it is challenging to gank and because Awoxing now has a risk of you losing a ship too, and seem to think of yourself as a man You're a ***** Plenty of ships till explode in hisec, and everywhere, adapt or die princess
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode ISD Community Communications Liaisons 4255	Posted - 2015.02.16 04:38:09 - [627] - Quote After numerous scrubbings, this topic has gone far enough off topic and has enpough other stuff going on that I'm going to close it now. Quote: Forum rules 4. Personal attacks are prohibited. Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not conductive to the community spirit that CCP promotes. As such, this kind of behavior will not be tolerated. 5. Trolling is prohibited. Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive, and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote. Closed. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

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