In your opinion, which is slanted to your view of the way things "should" be done.

You can't put words in my mouth, I never said it was "highly secure", I simply laid out the title. I actually try to see the whole picture, instead of being a narrow-minded nitwit.
You could obviously use a lesson in advanced "dictionary" as well. Because "security" isn't just based on the presence of "law enforcement" and those empty systems in CE are much more "secure" than trade routes.

Yet another moment of hyperbolic-horse-urine from you Jenn. If they were "equally dangerous", they would all have camps on gates and be bubble-******, but they aren't. While they are all "dangerous" (as is high-sec), they are not equally so.

Griefing is a problem. Playing a game purely to cause other people to stop playing it is a big problem.

Think about it. If you let people grief without limits, *everyone* will leave the game untill only griefers are left. How is that a) fun and b) profitable for CCP?

So, they 'nerfed' griefing.

I don't really know what people are complaining about. Most that are complaining that 'PvP is being nerfed' but when you suggest they go to lowsec or nullsec to find actual PvP they suddenly resort to personal insults or 'how it is impossible to PvP there' without realizing their hypocricy - Though that last bit is a bit is somewhat amusing.


Now, those nerfs could actually be completely ignored by one change, but it's one that neither CCP nor most 'pvp'ers' would ever want: Abolish alts. One character per player. No redos, no character buying, no character selling. You build a reputation and you stick with it. You live with the consequences of your actions.

But, that last bit is something 'pvp'ers' usually want to do without as well. As soon as consequences to their actions are introduced they whine and complain about it not being fair...

The old forum is still there as well. Just go through the posts there, and older posts on the new forum, just for a laugh. I especially like those who have proclaimed the death of EVE over and over again, even 12 years ago, about CCP introducing consequences to their actions, but here we still are...


The crux of the matter is, consequences should go both ways and i agree on that. People shouldn't be 100% safe anywhere in EVE. However, people find ways to reach that 100% and then exploit the **** out of the situation...

Okay that is pretty dishonest to pretend that "mechanical" safety is all that matters. Ratting in alliance null has a better reward to risk ratio than trying to PvE while wardecced in highsec.

Bottom line people play this game to shoot other spaceships for the most part and ISK grinding is just a means to that end. If you make it prohibitively difficult for people who don't have 50M SP or are part of a major bloc to make ISK to finance their PvP activities, they will quit.

People making too much ISK is not the problem. The problem is people who have massive resources and lots of friends and are still afraid to undock for a fight. They'll only undock for a gank. Seems to me all the folk complaining about nerfs to highsec combat just want to provide themselves with more easy targets by forcing people into low and null. But if you do that, they're going to learn or quit. You do not have a right to an endless supply of easy targets and I think you need to come to terms with that.

Griefing is a problem. Playing a game purely to cause other people to stop playing it is a big problem.

Think about it. If you let people grief without limits, *everyone* will leave the game untill only griefers are left. How is that a) fun and b) profitable for CCP?

Griefing is a problem. Playing a game purely to cause other people to stop playing it is a big problem.

Bottom line people play this game to shoot other spaceships for the most part and ISK grinding is just a means to that end. If you make it prohibitively difficult for people who don't have 50M SP or are part of a major bloc to make ISK to finance their PvP activities, they will quit.

ROFL. Gawd Dayum is their a high sec factory that produces these posters who make the same arguments year after year?

"Other people". You do know that this character is in high sec (go ahead use your locator) and i use her to do sisters of EVE missions in Osmon and run incursions right?

You are aware that saying "if something is unbalanced, you can go do that unbalanced thing yourself" is not only wrong, but it proves an unbalanced situation exists right? You're not even denying it anymore, you actually acknowledging that high sec pve risk vs rewards is out of whack, but that's ok because I can just go there and get some of that unbalance isk myself. LMAO

That's been my whole point in this part of the discussion. High sec posters are too busy defending the unbalanced status quo of high sec to be truthful about the situation. Notice that i'm not asking for any buffs to my income (I live off blitzing burners with 2 characters), i'm actually advocating a nerf to my own income. Because it would be foolish too not exploit the situation while it lasts which is why I also have faction warfare bomber toons, but the situation is still wrong for this game.
Apparently, honesty is hard for some people.

Finally a little bit of honesty, all of your hyperbolic whining and bitching has been about NOTHING. You seem to be mad because you choose to maximize your isk/hour and are not forced to "do something else" with your time. If you want to do something else, do it and stop bitching. Just because *some* people earn money the way you (now suddenly) claim to, doesn't mean everyone does it and it is bad for the game. For every one of you, there is one of me, someone who doesn't have a desire to try burner missions, doesn't like incursions, and makes enough isk ratting in my corner of catch to pay the PVP bills. You are complaining about your own behavior and expecting someone else to modify it, which sounds pretty crazy.

LOL
OP, no EvE will not be a theme park, quite the opposite, there is nullsec. Thats where EvE happens!
But you cry for a good reason: YOUR easy and riskless kills will be nerfed so YOU have to grow up. Not the miners who play a style that CCP sells as valid playstile.
As long as nullsec exists, all your bragging and loadmouthing is ridiculous. YOU are the scrubs of EvE not the miners.

I report, you decide.

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NPC corp. Thanks for proving my point. In high sec you can alleviate that problem with 2 clicks (to drop corp and be put in an npc corp). in null, no amount of clicking changes the ruls of engagement.

The place where 2 clicks can deliver safety (from a war dec) is automatically safer than the space where no amount of clicking can remove the free aggression rule.

On another note. I simply don't understand why you folks would engage in these kinds of mental gymnastics rather than accept empirically provable and observable truth.




No one is talking about making anything 'difficult'. I'm pointing out that the 200+ mil isk per hour i make with a Daredevil in high sec is unbalanced, and that there are many such imbalances in high sec. I know, i've made a mint off them, thank you CCP for Thukker and SOE lp stores.



I'm a pve player I don't give two farts about pvp crap. I'm describing an imbalance that ends up bad for the game. High sec is not the only imbalance, being able to make so much isk with bombers in faction warfare while also using the Faction warfare NPCs as bodyguards (anyone who wants to kill me has to fly through FW npcs to get at me) is also unbalanced. Hell, l5 carrier blitzing is too.

But we're talking about high sec here. Denying the imbalance is simply selfishness on the part of people exploiting them. I'm exploiting them but I ain't lying about it.

And if you get rid of the NPC corp option you'll just turn trade hubs into 0.0. space because certain entities will simply continue to wardec everything on sight like they already do. Maybe you have an alt in a merc corp that would explain the tears.

This is just your inability to be honest here, and you know it.

I have doubts about that 200m an hour figure.

And to get even close to that you must be chaining burner missions with multiple alts and a shiny daredevil (which IS easily gankable) and putting some effort into the LP conversion (sell orders instead of instant selling). Anyone who is willing to put that much effort into farming virtual money is going to find a way to do it regardless. So you know what? Who cares. Good for you. Now break out an officer fit t3 and jump into FW. I promise you'll find some content.

If you are bored with that kind of in-game resources there's nothing wrong with the game. There's something wrong with the way you're playing it.

The only one being dishonest here is you, you are, as usual, complaining about something that is working as intended, and not poorly as you claim it to be.

You Think 200+ million isk per hour with a frig sized ship in the most mechanically protected space in the game is 'working as intended"?

Ok, not lying, simply insane and wrong then.

And to get even close to that you must be chaining burner missions with multiple alts and a shiny daredevil (which IS easily gankable)

You still insist that hisec is not dangerous enough? Shouldn't bother you, there is always nullsec waiting for you. There are lots of miners too! Why not go for them? It surely much more exciting, cause the local enforcement is not so easy to fool like Concorde.

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and you still have to convert the LP (just like you do in incursions) which takes time to find the right module and market, investing in the module and getting it to market.
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Your personal bias against the merc playstyle is noted. Maybe you got stomped by a merc corp, hence your own tears.

Your sense of entitlement to risk free content (killmails) is likewise noted.

Your sense of entitlement to risk free content (killmails) is likewise noted.

It takes all of a minute to find the best item to get with your LP. Getting it to market and back again takes another 5 minutes, if that, and you can baby sit the listings while you run missions.

Your sense of entitlement to risk free content (killmails) is likewise noted.