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Xaen Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2006.10.03 23:00:00 - [91] Originally by: Gonada why , oh why do peons keep joining up to EVE, then immediatly try to change it to "their vision" ? personally i am getting sick of the daily does of frivilous idiocy thats being posted on the boards, by people that dont really want to play eve, but want to play their version of what they think eve is. eve is eve, you like it or hate it. if you like it , play it if you hate it, the dont post, dont whine get get the h*ll out of it. Do you mean to tell me there's not a single thing you would change? Not instas, not lag, not anything? Cause it says right here you don't think people should get insurance if they get CONCORDed. It just seems like since you've played a long time nobody newer than you to the game should have a say in anything. I believe that's a condition called megalomania. Why not contribute something to the discussion instead of being a troll? You could say why you think his idea is a bad one instead of trolling. Please note that this post is a moderate troll post. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Support fixing EVE's UI here
Commarmosett	Posted - 2006.10.03 23:01:00 - [92] Doesnt high security space accomplish this in a much more sophisticated and interesting way than having 2 seperate games?
Xaen Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2006.10.03 23:07:00 - [93] Originally by: Commarmosett Doesnt high security space accomplish this in a much more sophisticated and interesting way than having 2 seperate games? I would say yes. Even high sec has a small amount of danger (though not much). ----------------------------------------------------------------- Support fixing EVE's UI here
Cattraknoff Caldari Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.03 23:25:00 - [94] Edited by: Cattraknoff on 03/10/2006 23:25:29 Any sharding of eve would ruin it. The fact that we're all in one world, everything we do affects everyone (well, mostly) The first things on here, are actually the first in eve. In eve, you build the first titan. On WoW (if they had them) it'd be the first titan on shard 4059, which makes it #40293 overall. Doesn't sound like as much of an achievement, does it? With alliance wars, you can actually have stuff about them on the in-game news articles, and then people who read about them, can actually go and witness it (provided they can avoid being killed) Any event that happens in game, any player can witness, and take part in it. That is a large part of what makes eve what it is. On top of that, like other players said, if you make a PvE server or "consentual pvp" only server, the market will be completely ruined.
Epsilon 1	Posted - 2006.10.03 23:32:00 - [95] Edited by: Epsilon 1 on 03/10/2006 23:32:48 Oh for **s sake mods should lock such threads on sight. This guy knows about EVE and wants WOW in space. Originally by:** Steven Gerrard Why do those minmatarians throw their ships together from toilet paper and junk?
Marcus Brook D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.10.03 23:33:00 - [96] Originally by: Cattraknoff Edited by: Cattraknoff on 03/10/2006 23:25:29 Any sharding of eve would ruin it. The fact that we're all in one world, everything we do affects everyone (well, mostly) The first things on here, are actually the first in eve. In eve, you build the first titan. On WoW (if they had them) it'd be the first titan on shard 4059, which makes it #40293 overall. Doesn't sound like as much of an achievement, does it? With alliance wars, you can actually have stuff about them on the in-game news articles, and then people who read about them, can actually go and witness it (provided they can avoid being killed) Any event that happens in game, any player can witness, and take part in it. That is a large part of what makes eve what it is. On top of that, like other players said, if you make a PvE server or "consentual pvp" only server, the market will be completely ruined. Saved me having to type it But yeah a sharded eve would ruin it all. The way everything is mixed in together makes eve what it is. People stay in empire cause they fear pvp others crave it an have epic wars permitted by concord in and around these people, others prefer to be outlaws the fact is its all on one server and its a player generated history. Eve can be shaped at will by the people who play it be it pvp pve miningand so on. The fact that kali is coming means that this is all going to be expanded in more detail so that most of us with real lifes may as well forget about them lol
Eilie Minmatar	Posted - 2006.10.03 23:40:00 - [97] Originally by: Infinity Ziona Originally by: Eilie Originally by: Infinity Ziona Originally by: Serapis Aote stupid idea. ' ' ' Stupidest idea ever... Thanks for your valuable input. What does the '?' character in the thread title symbolize? Stupidest response ever Why are you only responding to the stupid posts and ignoring all the good replys? Especially the replys from PvE people who say they wouldn't want to play on a PvE server... I have to assume that you're just trolling... Mods, if you see this, please give her a forum warning. Thank you. Because I agree with the good posts. What do I say in a response to them? Than why did you start a thread asking about a PvE server if you agree with the posts about how bad that would be...?
DropZone 187	Posted - 2006.10.03 23:53:00 - [98] OP is just a forum troll mission runner who doesn't believe in non-consensual pvp. SiSi is what you want, go play on it. It is called SiSi for a reason. You really got to love the devs irony.... So, standard solution - move all level 4 agents to 0.0 and let the festivities begin. The rest of Eve wants their content.
Infinity Ziona Privateers	Posted - 2006.10.03 23:54:00 - [99] Originally by: Gonada why , oh why do peons keep joining up to EVE, then immediatly try to change it to "their vision" ? personally i am getting sick of the daily does of frivilous idiocy thats being posted on the boards, by people that dont really want to play eve, but want to play their version of what they think eve is. eve is eve, you like it or hate it. if you like it , play it if you hate it, the dont post, dont whine get get the hll out of it. Moron. Read the post. Nobody is whining. Nobody is asking for changes. Its was a hypothetic question, thus the ?, not a request. Hypothetic question, not requiring a moronic post but rather a decent answer and there have been some. Yours unfortunately was not one of them. As for Ellie. I dont quite get your point. Please point me to the forum rule which states I have to reply to posts I agree with. I dont believe I have taken a stance on any issue here. Although I have said I wouldnt play on a PvE server. If the mods do anything in this thread it would be clean it up of the junk like the poster above dribbled from his poor excuse for a braincell. The Privateering Life*
DubanFP Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.04 00:01:00 - [100] Edited by: DubanFP on 04/10/2006 00:02:35 There is a PVE shard of EVE, it's called Empire. No PVP = no market, stuff would be built but not destroyed. First there would be Rapid deflation of the Isk's value with all the new ships, but no one to buy them. Then as in the real world economy that would bring in an even worse inflation. the only option would be to create a completely NPC market, which would be the last thing remaining that makes EVE different from WoW. Of course with all the carebears in the PVE shard the normal EVE economy would see rapid inflation in frigates, because the poor would have nothing to start with "who would be left build cheap ships?". Newbies wouldn't get anywhere, and the rich would just keep getting richer. I mean if you want to be safe, STAY IN EMPIRE!!! Is that so hard? I don't see the problem.
Eilie Minmatar	Posted - 2006.10.04 00:03:00 - [101] Originally by: Infinity Ziona As for Ellie. I dont quite get your point. Please point me to the forum rule which states I have to reply to posts I agree with. I dont believe I have taken a stance on any issue here. Although I have said I wouldnt play on a PvE server. If the mods do anything in this thread it would be clean it up of the junk like the poster above dribbled from his poor excuse for a braincell. I'm just confused why you would start a thread asking for something that you don't want... Especially something that gets asked once a week and always gets the same replys...
Infinity Ziona Privateers	Posted - 2006.10.04 00:13:00 - [102] Originally by: Eilie Originally by: Infinity Ziona As for Ellie. I dont quite get your point. Please point me to the forum rule which states I have to reply to posts I agree with. I dont believe I have taken a stance on any issue here. Although I have said I wouldnt play on a PvE server. If the mods do anything in this thread it would be clean it up of the junk like the poster above dribbled from his poor excuse for a braincell. I'm just confused why you would start a thread asking for something that you don't want... Especially something that gets asked once a week and always gets the same replys... Curiosity. I use these forums pretty frequently and I dont believe I have seen this question asked before. Perhaps I am wrong. If one thing did come from this thread, its a need for improvement in moderation and need for making these idiots post with their mains. The Privateering Life
Hephaesteus Gallente	Posted - 2006.10.04 00:20:00 - [103] Originally by: Infinity Ziona In the last few weeks I have clicked infoed the local bios of probably 20,000 people in EvE and its just astonishing how many people are in NPC corporations and have been in them from 6 months - 3 years. Before you argue with me go in game and click info people for an hour and check how many are NPC corpies of long duration. Its obvious that these people are never going to or are unlikely to be interested in PvP and like to carebear in safe space and I have zero problem with that at all. But considering that EvE is arguably the best space game in the galaxy for now, and thats it looks like theres tons of people wanting the experience without the PvP aspect which admittedly can involve immature and nasty interactions, CCP might be losing out by not having a exclusive PvE shard. Whatdayyathunk? Would you go for a PvE only server rather then PvP if there was one available? I think sooner or later most people will want to pvp. The trouble is some people dont want to join big corps and alliances because of their rules and the general bllsht. Others may want to pvp but their buddies are not ready to, or it is difficult for them and their buds to get on and play at the same time(my current problem.) Lastly, they may try to pvp alone but it is very hard to get good fights with other solo pvpers because most low sec systems (that I have been in anyway) are patrolled by groups of players and getting a good 1v1 is nigh on impossible, miners and npcers dont count. In summary, I think an npc shard would suck. Might as well buy a space sim that is a solo game not connected to the net. Eve is multiplayer game and even if you play by yourself there is always the chance someone will try to gank or scam you and that for me is where the fun is. Eve just keeps you guessing. ----------------------------------------------- Knowing all, when all is unknown.
Cattraknoff Caldari Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.04 00:23:00 - [104] Originally by: Infinity Ziona Originally by: Eilie Originally by: Infinity Ziona As for Ellie. I dont quite get your point. Please point me to the forum rule which states I have to reply to posts I agree with. I dont believe I have taken a stance on any issue here. Although I have said I wouldnt play on a PvE server. If the mods do anything in this thread it would be clean it up of the junk like the poster above dribbled from his poor excuse for a braincell. I'm just confused why you would start a thread asking for something that you don't want... Especially something that gets asked once a week and always gets the same replys... Curiosity. I use these forums pretty frequently and I dont believe I have seen this question asked before. Perhaps I am wrong. If one thing did come from this thread, its a need for improvement in moderation and need for making these idiots post with their mains. While PvE sharding isnt asked for often, there are some "hardcore" people who want a "hardcore PvP" shard, and some who want sharding because they think it'll lessen lag. Creating shards will ruin eve, it doesn't matter what kind of shard you want to create. People get fed up with people asking for this because they don't want to see their game ruined to satisfy the carebears, the whiners or our "hardcore cough pvpers" -Catt
Gonada Gallente Cross Roads	Posted - 2006.10.04 00:37:00 - [105] Edited by: Gonada on 04/10/2006 00:39:56 Do you mean to tell me there's not a single thing you would change? --------------------- course there is. but within the game design, not this "i hate pvp, gimme a carebear world "rant that everyones seen for years as for lag, i get lag less than 5% of my playtime, so thats a moot point, then again, i havea fast comp ,a good connection and know how to optimize my comp for games, wich i figure half of you know dont know how to do. Cause it says right here you don't think people should get insurance if they get CONCORDed. ------ course, if you violate the law there should be consequences It just seems like since you've played a long time nobody newer than you to the game should have a say in anything. I believe that's a condition called megalomania. ----- no its called being jaded. listening to whine posts for three+ years by people that cant hack it does funny things to old timers like me. Why not contribute something to the discussion? ------ theres nothing to contribute to a post that called for carebears to destroy a game and make it into their image. i remeber UO and the travesty that was called trammel. You could say why you think his idea is a bad one instead of trolling. ----- ok, BAD IDEA, but then again this is the 1000+ post by said carebears that calls for this. enough is enough I mean come on, you violated like five forum rules in one tiny post. 4. Lack of respect for others<- no repect for whiners 5. Ranting<- guilty 6. Trolling<- guilty 16. "Newbie" bashing< no respect for whiners 20. failure to post constructively<- debateable. PS> infinity: Moron. Read the post. Nobody is whining. Nobody is asking for changes. Its was a hypothetic question, thus the ?, not a request. if you think thats all it is then your a little low in the IQ dept, moron. -I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.-
Admiral Pieg Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.04 00:39:00 - [106] yes plz ccp make a pve shard and also make it so that you can leave teh ship and shoot people like a fps and also make space combat twitch based but with levels to your avatar where every kill earns you xp and in worst philadelphia, born and raised on the playground i used to spend most of my days, chilling and relaxing and relaxing it was cool and i was shooting some b-ball outside the school when a couple of guys that were up to no good, started making trouble in my neighborhood, i got in one little fight and my mom said listen here youre moving to your auntie and uncle in bel air, i whistled for a cab and when it came near the license plate said fresh and i saw a dice in the mirror, if anything i could say that this cab was weird but i thought it applicated yo home to bel air! i pulled up to the house about seven or later and yelled to the cabbie yo home smell you later, looked at my kingdom i was finally there, to settle my throne as the prince of bel air my 2 cents ______________ Pod from above.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.04 00:45:00 - [107] Surely any thread started about sharding in EvE these days should just be locked for trolling? I mean honestly, it's been done to death. If you feel a sharding whine coming on, I direct your attention to the forum search- you can read other sharding whines all day long.
Malicious Wraith The Dark Side of the Moon	Posted - 2006.10.04 00:47:00 - [108] ?? No, simple as that. ----------------------------------------
Infinity Ziona Privateers	Posted - 2006.10.04 01:03:00 - [109] Originally by: Gonada Edited by: Gonada on 04/10/2006 00:39:56 Do you mean to tell me there's not a single thing you would change? --------------------- course there is. but within the game design, not this "i hate pvp, gimme a carebear world "rant that everyones seen for years as for lag, i get lag less than 5% of my playtime, so thats a moot point, then again, i havea fast comp ,a good connection and know how to optimize my comp for games, wich i figure half of you know dont know how to do. Cause it says right here you don't think people should get insurance if they get CONCORDed. ------ course, if you violate the law there should be consequences It just seems like since you've played a long time nobody newer than you to the game should have a say in anything. I believe that's a condition called megalomania. ----- no its called being jaded. listening to whine posts for three+ years by people that cant hack it does funny things to old timers like me. Why not contribute something to the discussion? ------ theres nothing to contribute to a post that called for carebears to destroy a game and make it into their image. i remeber UO and the travesty that was called trammel. You could say why you think his idea is a bad one instead of trolling. ----- ok, BAD IDEA, but then again this is the 1000+ post by said carebears that calls for this. enough is enough I mean come on, you violated like five forum rules in one tiny post. 4. Lack of respect for others<- no repect for whiners 5. Ranting<- guilty 6. Trolling<- guilty 16. "Newbie" bashing< no respect for whiners 20. failure to post constructively<- debateable. PS> infinity: Moron. Read the post. Nobody is whining. Nobody is asking for changes. Its was a hypothetic question, thus the ?, not a request. if you think thats all it is then your a little low in the IQ dept, moron. Hehe newbie bashing. Gonad has 3 months on me, I started in 2003 as well. Getting angry because someone asks a question about a computer game is sad and makes me feel embarassed for you. Trying to excuse your inability to control your feelings over this game by saying your sick of people bringing up the subject is even lame since it would be much easier and make much more sense to not click the topic. Mods please lock this topic, I'll post it in another 3 years when the little boys have grown up some. The Privateering Life
Kira Natel	Posted - 2006.10.04 01:54:00 - [110] PvE people tend to post on the forums less, possibly due to playing the game instead of sitting at some gate camp As to your idea. Business wise it would possibly be a good idea. But the "Devs" would actually have to invest massive amounts of time and resources to make real content instead of telling players to make their own "content" which ends up being politics mostly and that's not a game a lot of Pve people want to play. Gamewise- you'd never hear the end of it from the Pvp people and CCP is against it at all costs. That last makes it a moot point no matter what anyone thinks.
Capt Harlock Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.04 02:42:00 - [111] /me belches flames out like a big dragon towards Infinity's posts. Then states "I kinda like the devs vision for this game". Mind you if there was a pve server makes no difference i guess, they shouldn't call it EVE. Call it Wow without goblins and stuff but spaceships instead, can you see the irony?
Gamer4liff Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2006.10.04 02:59:00 - [112] Ahem NO, NO NO NO NO NO NO NOOOOOOO. NO NO NO NO NOOOOOOOO NO! NO NO NO NO, NO NO NO NOAH! Or in a more coherent language a PVE server would be pointless in every possible meaning of the word, the market for ships would bust ridiculously fast if none could be lost due to players.
Commarmosett	Posted - 2006.10.04 03:15:00 - [113] Im here as a general noob, who has done and will in the near future do nothing but pve as I skill up and learn the game and while I know there is some risk (good) in high security mission running its more than safe enough to be comfortable to new players.
Reiisha Frontier Technologies	Posted - 2006.10.04 03:23:00 - [114] Originally by: Infinity Ziona In the last few weeks I have clicked infoed the local bios of probably 20,000 people in EvE and its just astonishing how many people are in NPC corporations and have been in them from 6 months - 3 years. Before you argue with me go in game and click info people for an hour and check how many are NPC corpies of long duration. Its obvious that these people are never going to or are unlikely to be interested in PvP and like to carebear in safe space and I have zero problem with that at all. But considering that EvE is arguably the best space game in the galaxy for now, and thats it looks like theres tons of people wanting the experience without the PvP aspect which admittedly can involve immature and nasty interactions, CCP might be losing out by not having a exclusive PvE shard. Whatdayyathunk? Would you go for a PvE only server rather then PvP if there was one available? At the moment, people who only mine and produce items for the market are producing it for the people who lost it frequently - PvP'ers. Take that out, and a lot of the PvE aspect of EVE is worthless since you'll have massive oversupply of goods - no one uses them. Making the market run mainly by NPC's is not an option, since the market dynamics almost completely dissapear. Then there's the entire combat system, corps, alliance, POS, outposts etc - they become worthless, since they cannot be destroyed (no pve = no taking over systems), they will litter the systems and make them full in no time, let alone that the entire concept of security ratings becomes worthless, even if it's just for determining good ore sites. I can go on for about 5 million years, but a PvE server won't work - this game has been designed and made with pvp-only in mind. Trying to make it playable decently in a PvE environment is like taking a Bugatti Veyron and replacing the engine with a 600cc block fomr something like a small Suzuki to make it drivable by people over 90. EVE History Wiki - Help us fill it!
Gonada Gallente Cross Roads	Posted - 2006.10.04 03:53:00 - [115] But considering that EvE is arguably the best space game in the galaxy for now, and thats it looks like theres tons of people wanting the experience without the PvP aspect which admittedly can involve immature and nasty interactions, CCP might be losing out by not having a exclusive PvE shard. -------------------------- see , this is exactly what i mean. you say eve is arguably the best space game out there for now, but do you ever ask yourself why? do you think it might have to do with the constant ebb and flow of the human dynamic thru the galaxy? you say thats it looks like theres tons of people wanting the experience without the PvP aspect, but that it, thats your biased opinion. In reality, eve would have come and gone as a failure if it was released as a pve only game. eve is what it is, BECAUSE of player vs player(PVP) interaction. when you right get down to it, nothing is unaffected by pvp in the game. you mine for mins vs others. you buy and sell on the market vs other players you research hoping youll be the lucky one out of all the people trying research that particular bp. you fight other people. what a dull game eve would be, thats for sure. -I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.-
Darksaber64x Ecchi co.	Posted - 2006.10.04 03:56:00 - [116] Originally by: Infinity Ziona - More ships are destroyed in Empire then in 0.0 space. Check your map. Could this possibly be from wardecs? Or suicide gankers? Or people messing with noob ships? Corp battles? People being stupid on purpose? No, couldn't be any of those, sorry.
Victor Valka Caldari Terra Incognita	Posted - 2006.10.04 04:23:00 - [117] Do we possitivly must have a thread about this every month? Just wondering, in case there is some quota that must be filled. Anyways! I'm interested! Please tell me of the new and exciting things we are gonna do on this PeeVeEee server!
Infinity Ziona Privateers	Posted - 2006.10.04 05:30:00 - [118] Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 04/10/2006 05:35:08 Originally by: Victor Valka Do we possitivly must have a thread about this every month? Just wondering, in case there is some quota that must be filled. Anyways! I'm interested! Please tell me of the new and exciting things we are gonna do on this PeeVeEee server! Dont like the thread, dont post in it. Do you see me posting in E-Peen alliance forums? Nope. You know why? Cause I dont like E-Peen alliances or their members. To answer your question, probably wont be as excruciatingly exciting as camping a gate or as amazing as logging off at a bubble camp or as fantastic as doing yet another one of the 5 combat missions ingame.. Tell me about the new and exciting things you did this week in EvE Online? That you didnt do last week, or the month before, or the year before. The Privateering Life
Victor Valka Caldari Terra Incognita	Posted - 2006.10.04 05:53:00 - [119] Originally by: Infinity Ziona Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 04/10/2006 05:41:49 Originally by: Victor Valka Do we possitivly must have a thread about this every month? Just wondering, in case there is some quota that must be filled. Anyways! I'm interested! Please tell me of the new and exciting things we are gonna do on this PeeVeEee server! Dont like the thread, dont post in it. Do you see me posting in E-Peen alliance forums? Nope. You know why? Cause I dont like E-Peen alliances or their members. To answer your question, probably wont be as excruciatingly exciting as camping a gate or as amazing as logging off at a bubble camp or as fantastic as doing yet another one of the 5 combat missions ingame.. Tell me about the new and exciting things you did this week in EvE Online? That you didnt do last week, or the month before, or the year before. I do hope that nothing you wrote in the first paragraph is addressed at CIC. Because they sure don't qualify for any of that. That said. I had the chance to listen to a very interesting conversation in The Summit channel yesterday. Was good fun. I enjoyed it. Some interesting things could come from that. How was your week?
Infinity Ziona Privateers	Posted - 2006.10.04 06:01:00 - [120] Originally by: Victor Valka Originally by: Infinity Ziona Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 04/10/2006 05:41:49 Originally by: Victor Valka Do we possitivly must have a thread about this every month? Just wondering, in case there is some quota that must be filled. Anyways! I'm interested! Please tell me of the new and exciting things we are gonna do on this PeeVeEee server! Dont like the thread, dont post in it. Do you see me posting in E-Peen alliance forums? Nope. You know why? Cause I dont like E-Peen alliances or their members. To answer your question, probably wont be as excruciatingly exciting as camping a gate or as amazing as logging off at a bubble camp or as fantastic as doing yet another one of the 5 combat missions ingame.. Tell me about the new and exciting things you did this week in EvE Online? That you didnt do last week, or the month before, or the year before. I do hope that nothing you wrote in the first paragraph is addressed at CIC. Because they sure don't qualify for any of that. That said. I had the chance to listen to a very interesting conversation in The Summit channel yesterday. Was good fun. I enjoyed it. Some interesting things could come from that. How was your week? Great. I declared war on 6 different alliances and had a bunch of fun ganking and being ganked by them. Same as last week. The Privateering Life

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