which is a good case for our services being designed to cater to our stupid needs

Anyone with any brains knew from day one ( day two at the most) that video game email isn't secure in any way , even if the video game company doesn't tell you.

where most people don't read it before using the evemail service, which i'm willing to bet occurs, yes, it needs to be more obvious. the issue is not comprehending the information, it is an issue of the information being delivered to the users effectively

if you want to read my posts again, you can go to eve-search and see all the posts made just by me. please do so before replying again, and try to comprehend them this time

what one post shows up talking bollox about API keys and how the OP didn't know what it does, even though it clearly explains on the API key management page what it does, so now the sky is falling?

what exactly do you want?

i want you to read and comprehend my posts before replying again, please

The inbox should not be shared. And in any decent company, quoted mails would be censored before delivering them through API. My outgoing mail regarded as your incoming mail is nobody's business. You can not share it and certanly CCP can't make a shoddy work that forces you to share your inbox without warning everyone writing to you.

You could say the same about TS, it's not a secure phone line yet corpies talk about personal stuff on there all the time and can (and are) often recorded while doing so.

I agree with the OP that mail access from API is wrong, but I deal with it personally.

at this point it's acceptable for the service provider to respond to how people might actually be using the service. this can easily be done without disrupting the function of the api

where the system looks like a normal mail client, but is designed to allow someone you didn't expect to have access to your information? no, when someone encounters something familiar, they'll assume it has the same qualities as what they're familiar with

that's why this in particular needs to be explained properly

where the system looks like a normal mail client, but is designed to allow someone you didn't expect to have access to your information? no, when someone encounters something familiar, they'll assume it has the same qualities as what they're familiar with

that's why this in particular needs to be explained properly

At what point does a person using EVE mail not know it's mail....in a video game?

what ??

it's on the fecking page you get the API keys from. if dumb fecker No.1 refuses to read it that's their own stupid fault.

you're making no sense at all, what do you want ? someone from CCP to phone the new user and walk them through it? ffs.

That's exactly my point. The mail system in every other online game I have ever come across works exactly as you'd expect. It is secure as long a. No one gains access to my account b. No one gains access to the recipients account and c. No one gains access to the data stored on the servers of the game operator. That is a security level I am happy enough to share certain personal information under (eg. my real name, my email address or possibly my mobile phone number).

My problem is with Eve's in game mail system being several steps less secure than it first appears to be and not explicitly telling you about it.

There is no reason for a new player to think that Eve-mail is any less secure than the mail system in any other game, or their facebook or twitter accounts and nowhere are they told it is. That is the problem.

That's exactly my point. The mail system in every other online game I have ever come across works exactly as you'd expect. It is secure as long a. No one gains access to my account b. No one gains access to the recipients account and c. No one gains access to the data stored on the servers of the game operator. That is a security level I am happy enough to share certain personal information under (eg. my real name, my email address or possibly my mobile phone number).

My problem is with Eve's in game mail system being several steps less secure than it first appears to be and not explicitly telling you about it.

There is no reason for a new player to think that Eve-mail is any less secure than the mail system in any other game, or their facebook or twitter accounts and nowhere are they told it is. That is the problem.

While not agreeing that evemail should be treated like email, you have missed the point Benny was making.

Take for example, Tim and Bob. They are friends and start EVE together. Tim EVEmails Bob something personal and private. Later, Bob signs up for the API key and joins the corp owned by Dave submitting his full API key.

At this point Dave has access to Tim's personal information which he sent to Bob though Bob's API, even though Tim has never visited the API page, thus has never read the API key terms.

I knew that commander save-the children would arrive eventually

Out of curiosity, how would you do this without disrupting the API?

While not agreeing that evemail should be treated like email, you have missed the point Benny was making.

Take for example, Tim and Bob. They are friends and start EVE together. Tim EVEmails Bob something personal and private. Later, Bob signs up for the API key and joins the corp owned by Dave submitting his full API key.

At this point Dave has access to Tim's personal information which he sent to Bob though Bob's API, even though Tim has never visited the API page, thus has never read the API key terms.

Indeed, commander save-the children is here and AGREEING WITH YOU, genius.

See, you're clinging to nonsense. Like I said, you're smarter than this, you're probably just haivng a bad day.

As I said, unless the user FORGOT they logged in to EVE of EVE-gate to use evemail (due to some medical condition lol), there is no excuse for not knowing, and CCP hasn't done anything wrong.

People like you are why we live in this sue happy world btw.

lol, I don't think it's everyone else with comprehension problems here.After time has passed, you've gotten up from your computer and thought about it for a while, You'll realize your in the wrong here, you fell into an enlargement trap (it happens to all of us).

one-time suppressable info message with a link to api info on the first time eve-mail is opened.

the main issue is the idea that someone other than the recipient can access the mail without the recipient sharing the contents directly, and that it's plausible for an average user to believe that evemail is reasonably secure from third parties (assuming a basic degree of trust between the sender and the service provider)

providing additional info on a game mechanic in this manner i wouldn't usually advocate, but it's also plausible the average user'll mail something personal to a friend or something if they're in the belief that third-party users wouldn't have access. the plausible real-life link is why it's partially on the service provider to ensure as far as is practical that the user is aware of the true functions of the mail service

i don't think anything more than a warning message is practical without causing disruption to others. at least, i can't think of anything vOv

one-time suppressable info message with a link to api info on the first time eve-mail is opened.

the main issue is the idea that someone other than the recipient can access the mail without the recipient sharing the contents directly, and that it's plausible for an average user to believe that evemail is reasonably secure from third parties (assuming a basic degree of trust between the sender and the service provider)

providing additional info on a game mechanic in this manner i wouldn't usually advocate, but it's also plausible the average user'll mail something personal to a friend or something if they're in the belief that third-party users wouldn't have access. the plausible real-life link is why it's partially on the service provider to ensure as far as is practical that the user is aware of the true functions of the mail service

i don't think anything more than a warning message is practical without causing disruption to others. at least, i can't think of anything vOv

i get his point.. this is my point..


tim sent personal information to bob (stupid person) who gave access to a third party.

did bob read the API key terms?

maybe,, maybe not,, it's not CCP's fault. don't you think the fault is with Tim and Bob ? lol

Upon seeing Lucas Kell agree with me I have discovered that i am wrong (must be if Lucas agrees) and surrender peacefully to Benny Ohu in exchange for protect from commander Save'Em Kell!!!

yeah, I think the issue is with Tim for sending it and Bob for sharing it, though it's more understandable that Tim wouldn't know as he hasn't set up a key and that's where that info is given out. I like Bennys idea of just giving that notification when you first open you mail however. That to me is a better place to say "hey, anything you send in here may be shared, so don't be a douche and send personal information", as you see it before you send the mail, not just if and when you choose to set up a key.

That said, I don't think it's a particularly large problem and like you say, it's their own faults, so it's more of a "nice to have" than a "need to have" thing.

yes i guess it would be nice to have, but i still think most will not read the warning and click accept and tick the do not show again box.

yes i guess it would be nice to have, but i still think most will not read the warning and click accept and tick the do not show again box.

It's OK, I've been won over by his simple idea for a solution now, so you can go back to hating.

That's fine, if you did that you'd have absolutely no excuse, just like if you jump into lowsec when you're not ready and ignore the warning. I'd definitely be firmly on the "against" side if the suggestion was a mechanics change to limit it, but more info is fine.

lol, 'simple solution to something that isn't a problem in the least.

This is why EVE online now has pop ups for every single event Pop ups if you want to destroy a rig, or jettison a can, or jump in to low sec, or even try to undock with a 'mission critical item' not being in your cargo hold (that last one is particularly egregious , NOTHING teaches you to check your cargo like forgetting the mission item you came for and having to back track 6 jumps to get it, now new mission runners don't have to even do that much...).

I'll ask again, why is the idea of expecting (mostly) grown folks to look after their own interests like sunshine on a vampire to some people? EVE used to treat us like adults now it's "prophylactic pop ups and safeties online". I'm surprised I don't get a "don't forget to flush" pop up in the bathroom nowadays.