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Orc A Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.10.05 16:08:00 - [61] Well played all involved, was a pleasure. Respect to Ratel, and Congrats to Smash. Originally by: End Yourself hey! we are BoB's lapdogs! not Oberon's or ASCN's!!!
Peoke Caldari Rome SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.05 16:55:00 - [62] this ends all smash has control and will need to be 100% destroyed to leave 2006.10.05 14:01 Solar System: TDE4-H Conquered Corporation: Domestic Fennec Conquering Corporation: Rome Conquering Character: Felsin
Aerick Dawn Gallente Vogon Deconstruction Fleet Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.05 17:25:00 - [63] I'm happy you beleive your own hype. ______________________ If I'm in a fair fight, i've done something terribly wrong.
NebulousBlur Minmatar Unknown Shoe Corp. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.05 17:40:00 - [64] Originally by: Aerick Dawn I'm happy you beleive your own hype. We don't hype, we do it or we die trying. Admittedly, sometimes it's more of the latter than the former. As it stands, SMASH has the station and soverignity, there's no hype in that. Just log in and check. I would say good fighting to all involved, but that wouldn't be true. It was a long, tedious and aggrevating experience of gangs sitting at deep safespots 90% of the time, waiting to warp in to snipe a frigate before warping out. Before that, it was gangs sitting at safespots waiting to warp in battleship fleets right on top of a lone ship, but interdictor bubbles made that a costly tactic. A vast majority of the battles were like this, there were no full engagements where both sides just duked it out. It was all warp in, shoot and warp out and sit at a deep safespot for the next attempt. There was smack talk from everyone involved in local, and some real nasty insults as well. I believe we were called child molestors at one point. What was said to the GMs was just as bad. I'm hoping that is over. Now, time to focus on CDC/Pure/E-R
Orc A Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.10.05 18:36:00 - [65] /me gets de ja vous. /me thinks of querious campaign. /me thinks some more... WAIT A SEC!!! RATEL = CDC/ER/PURE Mining slaves??? Originally by: End Yourself hey! we are BoB's lapdogs! not Oberon's or ASCN's!!!
Aerick Dawn Gallente Vogon Deconstruction Fleet Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.05 18:57:00 - [66] Edited by: Aerick Dawn on 05/10/2006 19:00:47 It would be as foolish as saying Ratel had the station in hand for 11 weeks of siege. Once you guys realize what a boat anchor it is around your neck, you'll begin to understand what I mean. Orc A, Considering your attention deficit or apparent literacy disabilities I'll explain this one again to you. We are nobodie's slave, as what has been mentioned before. CDC, PURE, and E-R were targets as before, and still remain as such. However, as far your on the topic of slavery... Let me guess, you are not getting a cut out of the outpost even though you spilled nearly as much blood as Smash did, correct? I'm sorry, who is the slave again? Your nievity is quite striking. Also, grow some stones and wardec us with your alliance instead of your 2 person alt corp. I look forward to your trite response as well as a random Sun Tsu quote that will declare your superiority on the matter. ______________________ If I'm in a fair fight, i've done something terribly wrong.
Torshin Kydance Radiant Industries Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.05 19:02:00 - [67] im sorry to bring this up but hasn't smashed seiged outposts previously just to lose them almost as soon as they got them? See you at KRIN.
NebulousBlur Minmatar Unknown Shoe Corp. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.05 19:35:00 - [68] Originally by: Torshin im sorry to bring this up but hasn't smashed seiged outposts previously just to lose them almost as soon as they got them? We'll be the first to admit that we don't have an impressive record for holding capturables (this is our first outpost we have sacked), and this will sound like a complete cop-out but this is the first that we have attacked with the intention of conquering. Most of the others attempts were to drive someone out or to provoke a fight. R0adkill has been a great partner and no, we don't intend to turn them into slaves. They may not hold soverignity but that doesn't mean they do not benefit. SMASH has always stood by their friends and helped when possible, with the expectation that our friends will do the same for us. It isn't just our policy, it's who we are. In the end, words and explanations are nothing, time will tell if we can hold the station or not.
Kanae Minmatar Vogon Deconstruction Fleet Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.05 23:24:00 - [69] Good fights Roadkill... SMASH good finaces and good number of POS's Kanae
BrotherGrim Custodes Valhallae Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.06 00:20:00 - [70] Greetings folks, Congrats to the Smash Alliance, nice work. To Ratel. Do not let anyone give you any grief. I was there for 2 weeks on the Smash side. You guys fought hard and did the best that you could. Everyone did some station / Pos hiding. When you had any numbers that could engage our fleets even if you where outnumbered you did. Best wishes as to whatever you are doing next. BrotherGrim Originally by: Peoke this ends all smash has control and will need to be 100% destroyed to leave 2006.10.05 14:01 Solar System: TDE4-H Conquered Corporation: Domestic Fennec Conquering Corporation: Rome Conquering Character: Felsin
Hippo117 Caldari 9th Fleet Academy	Posted - 2006.10.06 01:21:00 - [71] Originally by: Mesasone Originally by: Hippo117 Its about time RATEL lost that place, they went and kicked out half of their only friendly alliance a few months ago. Hippo, lets not turn this into a BFA/Ratel issue. Ratel has kicked nobody out of TDe (perhaps not something to boast taking the OP into consideration), Black Flag left on their own accord, and Ratel and SMASH battled on. Enoy your stay of at The ROC SMASH, I can assure you it won't be perminate. b) The notification via corp that all VLINC and W0R clone contracts had been revoked and our cloning privilidges had been removed was a sure sign. -------------- Booby > Rokh
Gloria Khan Priory Of The Lemon R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.10.06 07:28:00 - [72] nice post Mujun. Thanks for your comments Aerick Dawn. RESPECT to RATEL. No smack here please
Balder Con	Posted - 2006.10.06 07:40:00 - [73] I must say all in all this was a botched war on ratels part even though i'm part of ratel. Assets were not used to max afect, and preperations were not made in advance for a fight such as this. To all props for the fighting that was had in all of Geminate Smash good fight but enough is enough you can say all you want but in fact the nodes did crash every time we put up a fight big enough to kill your pos's and you helped in that by putting up 40 cans and about 30 unmaned ships at your pos's to cause lag and node instubility, so what stuff happens. Enough of the smack you won on a game glitch and putting those 30 pos's up in one night. Everyone fought well, Smash,Ratel,Roadkill,and sorry don't remember all the names but all those involved in that fight. Smash to those that insist we lost 30 bs's on that last fight might want to stop doctoring there kill mails and see that 98% of those lose's were frigs NOT bs's. You also lost an undefended Large tower to a fleet of about 50 ships+ in a couple of hours and about 4 bs's trying to do whatever and 1 bs to being afk when it went down. At least if everyone is going to say what they are going to say stop craping on yourselfs and tell it how it was. We lost you got the station for however long good luck holding it wish ya luck, and to ratel after this post i feal better being part of ratel than i have ever felt since the start. Yarrrrr lets do it again
orion1234 Flip Side Enterprizes Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.06 08:06:00 - [74] Might post a responce to all the bfa/ratel comments that kept coming up. The leaders of bfa had a few pesonal disagrements with multiple members of ratel and decided to packup all of our pos's and leave back to empire. Vlinc while this was going on decided to disband and wor and some other corps moved back to syndicate. Some of the corps that had moved to syndicate started making waves about the way the alliance was restructerd. All the corps that had left back to syndicate was then promtly booted for making problems that they themselfs where creating and ratel then promtly pulled there access and clone rights to the station, ts and forumns. All fairly straight forward and to be honest ratel should have pulled bfa access when we first had left becuase if we had moved the sheer amount of poses we had setup in ug- o2o and k25 we would easily have had majority of moons with ratel and bfa combined. So hopefully no more hijaking posts by 9th fleet wor and co if anyone feels need to replie to this please make a new thread and would be happy to flame with chatlogs.
Orc A Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.10.06 10:07:00 - [75] Originally by: Aerick Dawn Edited by: Aerick Dawn on 05/10/2006 19:58:35 It would be as foolish as saying Ratel had the station in hand for 11 weeks of siege. Once you guys realize what a boat anchor it is around your neck, you'll begin to understand what I mean. Orc A, Considering your attention deficit or apparent literacy disabilities I'll explain this one again to you. We are nobodie's slave, as what has been mentioned before. CDC, PURE, and E-R were targets as before, and still remain as such. However, as far as your on the topic of slavery... Let me guess, you are not getting a cut out of the outpost even though you spilled nearly as much blood as Smash did, correct? I'm sorry, who is the slave again? Your nievity is quite striking. Also, grow some stones and wardec us with your alliance instead of your 2 person alt corp. I look forward to your trite response as well as a random Sun Tsu quote that will declare your superiority on the matter. Okey.... Obviouslly, you did not understand the humor of my post - It's a joke meant for RK and Smash, not you. And as for the gaining part - I gained some 11 weeks of fun PvP, what else do i need to gain in a game? Originally by: End Yourself hey! we are BoB's lapdogs! not Oberon's or ASCN's!!!
zykerx Pegasus Mining and Securities R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.10.06 11:13:00 - [76] hehe i think most people dont understand your humor orc a
s4xon Flashman Services Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.06 12:18:00 - [77] Nice thread, not too much flaming. And for the most part a fairly accurate account of what went on. I can say that Mujin's post is a 100% attempt to tell it how it was, I know I am Ratel and so might have a bias , but if i were to describe the last few weeks I could pretty much copy/paste Mujin's posts .. As a full time PvPer, and having been in the area for many weeks. night in , night out ... in fact waaay too much (the mrs was not happy ) I can say this .... Roadkill, It has been said before on this thread, but FULL respect to you guys, mainly because you are not afraid to fight outnumbered , and you vary your tactics and make the game interesting. With limited smack in local and when there was it was lighthearted. I hope that smash give you a large chunk of what they get in there cos you deserve it!! Smash, Respect that you have managed to glean or gather the resources enough to do what you did in putting up 30 large POSes. And you have players online in numbers at the right time of day to execute such a thing. It would be so nice if you guys had the decency to reflect accuratley the picture up here.Sure, you have done very very well with resources .... someone somewhere you know has very deep pockets!! And you have control of the station and That deserves respect I guess. But why do you feel the need to twist simple pvp stories to make yourselves sound better? Now I know, a smash guy will reply to this saying "we twist nothing etc etc" ... don't bother .. anyone reading this ... do NOT believe me ... All you have to do to get any true idea of what is being said is read this thread and trawl through 3 or 4 killboards to put together the pieces .... and in the end no-one really cares enough to do that So , SMASH , make sure that if you ever get a call from one of the "big guys" in eve .. cos they heard you are damn good pvpers , just make sure you dont bite off more that you can chew .... Perhaps you could tell them you are washing your hair , or you are too busy putting up and fuelling large posses to do anything right now (joke ) My small moan aside , well done
Gloria Khan Priory Of The Lemon R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.10.06 12:23:00 - [78] Originally by: s4xon Roadkill, It has been said before on this thread, but FULL respect to you guys, mainly because you are not afraid to fight outnumbered , and you vary your tactics and make the game interesting. On a lighter note I now call my Taranis's "Saxon was ere" on the basis I lost too many to a certain sniping Tempest....... The highest accolade I can give you Sax0n is to say that you nearly always seemed to be referred to on our TS as "Saxonprimary"...
Shadow Mancer The Splinter Syndicate SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.06 15:17:00 - [79] Originally by: Torshin im sorry to bring this up but hasn't smashed seiged outposts previously just to lose them almost as soon as they got them? Torshin to answer your question, yes we captured the station in 3BK and were about to get one in 9CG when BoB jumped in and changed the tide of war. It was a long time ago. If u want to know more about it ask ROME, LORDS, TFUNK corps they can tell u, otherwise most of people that recently joined SMASH won't know that. ;-) if u mean to ask this question to ask that if we're gonna lose a station in TDE than humm tell u what, i dun know either, i have never fought E-R guys b4 and have no idea how good these guys are at pvp.
Shadow Mancer The Splinter Syndicate SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.06 15:21:00 - [80] Originally by: zykerx hehe i think most people dont understand your humor orc a man u are a mean little Dutch person, everybody loves Orc A, like if Orc A's name was Raymond.
NebulousBlur Minmatar Unknown Shoe Corp. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.06 16:39:00 - [81] Originally by: s4xon Now I know, a smash guy will reply to this saying "we twist nothing etc etc" ... don't bother .. anyone reading this ... do NOT believe me ... All you have to do to get any true idea of what is being said is read this thread and trawl through 3 or 4 killboards to put together the pieces .... and in the end no-one really cares enough to do that Side A will say something to make them look better than Side B. Side B will say something that makes them look better than Side A. Both will recite 'facts' and recollections. In the end, it doesn't matter what each side says, unless you are trying to convince someone else of something. The ships that were blown up were blown up, the ships that survived survived. No amount of words is going to change what actually happened. Quote: So , SMASH , make sure that if you ever get a call from one of the "big guys" in eve .. cos they heard you are damn good pvpers , just make sure you dont bite off more that you can chew .... Perhaps you could tell them you are washing your hair , or you are too busy putting up and fuelling large posses to do anything right now (joke ) Thanks for the warning. I'll put out the word to everyone in the alliance that we should all buy extra bottles of shampoo and conditioner just in case.
tastinn Minmatar The Funkalistic SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.06 16:43:00 - [82] Thanks to Ratel for great fights Thanks to R0adkill for great help And hopefully we will keep the outpost forever..
Koronos Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.10.06 17:13:00 - [83] Originally by: Balder Con ... Smash good fight but enough is enough you can say all you want but in fact the nodes did crash every time we put up a fight big enough to kill your pos's and you helped in that by putting up 40 cans and about 30 unmaned ships at your pos's to cause lag and node instubility, so what stuff happens. Enough of the smack you won on a game glitch and putting those 30 pos's up in one night. ... I started to write something regarding this earlier, but didnt want to get in a flame fight, but let me just say this: IEEX's primary POS (not in TDE) looked a lot like this after a few weeks of living in a region without a station. The secure cans were for peoples' loot (npc and pvp) and the ships were peoples' extra ships that they had brought for different purposes (at the end I had 5 or so personally floating around ours). It really sucks that we have this big problem in the game atm, and I guess we should all be good stewards as much as possible and try to limit our can use, put our ships in the maintenance array when not in use, etc., but even if I weren't a lazy bastidge I think I would still tend to have a couple out and would have wanted my one can. After this many weeks the stuff accumulates a bit. Anyway, just wanted to say that just seeing the ships and cans doesn't have to mean an intentional effort to cause node instability and lag. Koronos
Arakk Caldari VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.06 17:17:00 - [84] I personally LOVE how you guys keep blaming lag as opposed to your decisions to your defeat, moreover that we caused it, not to mention caused it on purpose. The server crashed for us too...remember? As to your pos raid, you'll never understand because you have no clue how screwed you were, your fleet would have been completely obliterated if you decided to not retreat had the node lasted another 30-40 minutes, your support fleet was nearly completely destroyed (save for the guys sitting 350+k out the pos waiting for you guys to lose god knows how many ships. you were in fact moments from losing a carrier with multiple tacklers, hoards of fighters and several citadel torpedos headed for a thanatos. As to "you put up all those empty ships and cans to lag the server." Are you fricken drunk? This just in, at the time we did not have a station to pack all our stuff into. Thus we needed lots of cans and ships "docked" at our pos's for ammo, mods, refitting to supply the fight with weaponry. It was the ONLY way to maintain forces in an assault with the same core of pvpers we had in system. How could you have won you ask? Maybe instead of putting up pos's in ug and uer you could have put them up in TDE? You had 11 weeks to secure sov in TDE, instead you underestimated not only our pvp abilities (both numbers in your low number timezones and tactics). Had you secured sov in that time, with the unstable node it would have been near impossible for us to attain it. It was in fact YOUR raid on OUR pos that made us realize this fact. That it is currently impossible to take down any deathstars in TDE right now. So we adapted and reacted, faster than you. In fact adaptation was much more difficult for us, as you had 26 pos? and us 6..you only needed to put up 10. So stop claiming we tried to lag the server, and saying putting up pos's was the only thing we did here. And yes PLEASE do look at the killboards. You'll see SMASHKILL had not only to fight RATEL, but also Shadow Ascension, F-E, the wolves, and ER on a regular basis. And had we needed new ships we needed to make a 15+ 0.0 trip each way to empire, the whole way often absolutely littered with hostiles. And obviously if we got podded we had to make that trip as well. You had many advantages in this fight, you were entrenched, you had a station for clones and a market, you had pos majority for 98% of this "war", and had 11 weeks to secure your own sov. As well as a number and friend advantage to smashkill with the previous stated alliances. As far as numbers...NEVER did we EVER have more than 50% of local as smashkill. However its unusual to see less than 90% of our numbers afk...for ratel this percentage seems to have been reversed. I play alot, and the last pos raid you did we had the biggest gang i had seen in the entire campaign, and that was only 1/4 of local. If theres any one person you need to keep in your alliance its saxon, hes the only member that seems to know how to pvp and live in 0.0 during hostile times. Mujun says everything we say is crap, but then again with all the internal issues youre having, as well as suffering a defeat forcing you back to empire or someone elses space...is only natural to spew propaganda and ridiculous excuses for why we won and why you lost. Wars are won through either brute force or adaptation...The node couldn't handle brute force so we adapted...again, faster than you. Thats why you lost, thats why we won, its as simple as that. Whether or not you choose to believe this, is your own accord, naturally in down times people tend to believe what they want to believe is the reason for their troubles. Just as a prisoner blames the police for being in jail. GF to all involved, and i wish RATEL the best in the future. As this game is about having fun and making friends. Something this siege i can imagine hurt your alliance and friendships at least a little. Fortunately the siege made us (smashkill)stronger, just ask ER.
Sacul Wreckless Abandon	Posted - 2006.10.06 17:59:00 - [85] Originally by: Arakk Edited by: Arakk on 06/10/2006 17:24:02 How could you have won you ask? Maybe instead of putting up pos's in ug and uer you could have put them up in TDE? You had 11 weeks to secure sov in TDE, instead you underestimated not only our pvp abilities (both numbers in your low number timezones and tactics). Had you secured sov in that time, with the unstable node it would have been near impossible for us to attain it. So we adapted and reacted, faster than you. In fact adaptation was much more difficult for us, as you had 26 pos? and us 6..you only needed to put up 10. Wars are won through either brute force or adaptation...The node couldn't handle brute force so we adapted...again, faster than you. Thats why you lost, thats why we won, its as simple as that. ------------ now did u infiltrate the wr3ck forums aswell? [winks] I can only say...../signed Just remember that this fight isn't over by a long shot..... cya in space.... ----------------------------------------- "Additionally I think the term 'game' in reference to EVE is a misnomer.. its more like an elaborate hobby." (Nez Perces)<<<what i allways say; but better.
s4xon Flashman Services Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.06 18:03:00 - [86] Aarak, my point about the killboards is that yours are wholly inaccurate, and have often been used by your guys to tell the rest of the eve community how tough you are or, more to the point, how weak Ratel were. That's all. One thing is absolutely sure, you guys have ALOT of isk. and in all honesty your adaptability to the server issues in TDE4 was entirely based around your monetary resources and that you had players on at quiet times in eve. Something as i said before, i cannot deny you guys. Your newfound status has inevitably brought you new corps into the alliance, and as such now your position is stronger than it was. So , well played for that and all the best in holding on to what you have gained.
Arakk Caldari VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.06 18:20:00 - [87] Originally by: s4xon Aarak, my point about the killboards is that yours are wholly inaccurate, and have often been used by your guys to tell the rest of the eve community how tough you are or, more to the point, how weak Ratel were. That's all. One thing is absolutely sure, you guys have ALOT of isk. and in all honesty your adaptability to the server issues in TDE4 was entirely based around your monetary resources and that you had players on at quiet times in eve. Something as i said before, i cannot deny you guys. Your newfound status has inevitably brought you new corps into the alliance, and as such now your position is stronger than it was. So , well played for that and all the best in holding on to what you have gained. Concured, and thx for the wishes. I personally see the entire geminate region as not seeing any sort of peace in the next 6 months at least. the tde4 string is an incredibly strategic position, especially considering the new incoming regions and rumors of a gateway to them through this slugfield. Another thing is for sure, geminate has only seen the beginning of this violent rampage from many alliances.Pvp for all... and thats one of the bigger reasons we're here.
Whitenight VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.06 20:26:00 - [88] K i think we can agree to disagree that the killboards can be inaccurate. The final point being when the smoke clears it comes down to who wanted it more. Looking at the name on the outpost we can see the SMASH alliance logo which was a long and hard fought siege. Many thanks to our friends of Roadkill (OIY!!. My thanks also goes out to all of the members of RATEL who conducted themselves with honor. On and off the battlefield.Well fought and thanks for all of the battles. P.S. We plan on keeping it for a very long time
lo drama	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:02:00 - [89] All I can say about SMASH is that they are nothing but a bunch of fart knockers. They have no honor and respect when it comes down to combat. There is only one person that I respect in SMASH and thats Darius. Darius should be leader of that allaince not emperor. Emperor uses his members as meat sheilds while Darius warps in solo againt a 12 man gank fleet. SMASH allaince hell!!! it should be called Darius allaince. Because he was the only one that had more heart than anyone in SMASH to come out and fight. If it wasn,t for Darius coming in giving us something too shoot at I would,ve probaly quit this game. Logging in to defend the system and nothing to shoot at almost made wanna quit playing this game,but thankx to Darius the one man army for making it fun for me and a few others that had a laugh after witnessing Darius lose domi after domi.LOL. CONGRATS TO SMASH FOR TAKING OVER TDE4-H ..but remember this what goes around comes around.
Razumin Rome SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.06 22:21:00 - [90] Edited by: Razumin on 06/10/2006 22:23:52 Originally by: lo drama All I can say about SMASH is that they are nothing but a bunch of fart knockers. They have no honor and respect when it comes down to combat. There is only one person that I respect in SMASH and thats Darius. Darius should be leader of that allaince not emperor. Emperor uses his members as meat sheilds while Darius warps in solo againt a 12 man gank fleet. SMASH allaince hell!!! it should be called Darius allaince. Because he was the only one that had more heart than anyone in SMASH to come out and fight. If it wasn,t for Darius coming in giving us something too shoot at I would,ve probaly quit this game. Logging in to defend the system and nothing to shoot at almost made wanna quit playing this game,but thankx to Darius the one man army for making it fun for me and a few others that had a laugh after witnessing Darius lose domi after domi.LOL. CONGRATS TO SMASH FOR TAKING OVER TDE4-H ..but remember this what goes around comes around. Me thinks this guy likes Darius a bit too much. Stalker Alert. And I would agree that the killboards are probably not that accurate. Several of us don't even bother posting to them. I have only posted or forwarded capital ship kills to be posted for some time now, typically because several people really want them there.

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