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Mujun Kross Gallente Vogon Deconstruction Fleet Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.04 16:40:00 - [1] I figure I should get this in here before someone else does. RATEL alliance and friedns have lost sovereignty in this system. We will loose control of the outpost in a couple of days once sov changes over to the SMASH alliance. While I would like to say it was a hell of a fight ... it wasnt. Due to server stability issues neither side was ever able to successfully destroy opposition towers in the system. SMASH has had the node crash on them once during an assualt while RATEL has had the same happen to us twice. SMASH has successfully put several of our towers into reinforced mode but RATEL and friends were able to muster enough of a response that we could boost the shields back up on the towers and get them operational. In direct pos assualts in TDE4-H SMASH has lost 7 dreads and 1 carrier, RATEL has lost 2 dreads and 2 carriers. A couple other dreads were lost by RATEL during various other assualts by SMASH and friends for a total of 4 maybe 5 all together. There were a couple instances where really good fighting was had by all. Unfortunately that was not ver often. When we outnumbered them we did direct assualts at the outpost and roaming gangs to keep them out of the belts and off the gates. When we were outnumbered we stayed in our POS shields and did "gank" hits on a ship here or there or sniper runs towards the outpost or the gates. While SMASH and ROADKILL would have you believe that they are "superior" pilots and etc etc etc...they used the same tacitcs as we did. When they had the nubmers they were camping the outpost gates etc, when they were outnumbered they stayed in thier pos and did gank and sniper runs. Its typical combat, people may want to say other wise but the truth is what it is. RATEL made three attempts to take down SMASH towers in TDE. THe first one we lost two dreads before I called the assualt off. We revised our tactics on the second run and were doing rather good when the node crashed. The same thing happened on the third attempt we made...excellent progress in takeing down a tower when the node crashed. The first time we had gms move our cap ships away from the pos. The shields were completely gone on this tower after the node crashed. Several of the towers belonging to RATEL had the same problem so for the next couple of hours two gms were sorting out things and declared no pos attacks until after downtime, when the towers would be corrected. Our second attempt we were again haveing good success and the node crashed. This time we decided to throw caution t othe wind. We started logging all of our cap ships back into the game. However when they showed up they were at various locations in the system...some were at the outpost oterhs were at their pos. We did not continue this attack because SMASH was able to get a several more of their pilots into the system and were able to put up a much better defense of thier tower. In both instances SMASH and ROADKILL were able to loot all of the cans from ship losses on both sides as well as capture all of the fighters that our carriers left behind. Several petitions later and we were still at the same place as we started. I cant post what kind of response we got back from the gms but I can tell you it was a very ****ty response. Things have now changed greatly in TDE4-H. Eurphoria Unleashed, PURE, and CDC have now decided to get involved. They offered us a similar "deal" that SMASH had made us when they came into the area. The only real difference was that ER and crew did not want to absorb RATEL and friends...SMASH insisted on this. They were adament that they would take "select" corps from the alliance and the rest could get bent as they didnt want them. Both groups did make us the offer that we could stay in TDE and work with them but that they would want control of the outpost. In both instances we declined their offers. Its our outpost and we are not going to work for anyone. continued...
Nafri Caldari Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.04 16:51:00 - [2] So were going to see a threesome for the outpost? From Dusk till Dawn
Peoke Caldari Rome SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.04 16:57:00 - [3] meh kinda good post but u missed ur list of blobs u brought in to cause the node crash. and yes nafri i guess its a fun time here
Kanae Minmatar Vogon Deconstruction Fleet Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.04 17:02:00 - [4] blobs? you can hardly call 90 person assault on POS a blob when you had 45 defending it... ah why bother but well see how well you do when you use the node crash defence.
Lowa Gallente North Star Networks	Posted - 2006.10.04 17:03:00 - [5] so far so good, I like the story and it feels pretty unbiased so far. Originally by: Peoke meh kinda good post but u missed ur list of blobs u brought in to cause the node crash. and yes nafri i guess its a fun time here You dont need a blob to crash a node these days, thats the problem. Wont matter what or how many you bring, you will never know if it'll work out or not so the blob argument is a moot point. Now give me the rest of teh story! >.< /Lowa What if the truth was something else?
Peoke Caldari Rome SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.04 17:06:00 - [6] well whats sad is its not even a blob if local is over 80-90 the system is going to die and u can feel it readyto die.
Mujun Kross Gallente Vogon Deconstruction Fleet Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.04 17:09:00 - [7] Currently ER and crew have every intention of attacking the outpost and takeing it from RATEL while at the same time preventing SMASH and friends from gaining access to it. Basically once the outpost can be attacked ER and crew will assualt it and control it. Trying to starve SMASH and ROADKILL out of the system. SMASH and friends were able to setup a total of 31 large towers in one night. They now control at least 36 large towers (possibly more) which gives them more than 50% of the moons in the system. ER wanted RATEL and friends to "loan" them our large towers in system so that they could start their initial assualt. We would not be paid for the use of these towers and they would basically be in ERs hands until they decided to give them back. This is another part of their "offer" we could not agree too. Most people would say that we should have taken the offer from one or the other group. We do not agree. We put in a lot of effort in getting that outpost together, hauling all that crap out to TDE, and putting the damned thing up. Our primary reason for turning down the offer from SMASH and ER was that any deal we would agree too we would have to break at a later date. We have always known that someone would eventually come along and take the outpost...and we have had every intention of coming back and takeing it. RATEL believes that all you really have in this game is your word and accepting any deal where we were not in control of our own outpost would require us to break our word. Currently the situation in TDE is rather interesting. There are 3 groups fighting to take over the system now. WHILE RATEL and friends have been hammered by 10 plus weeks of constant siege we are still there. Everyone is shooting at everyone else. As an example VOGON was in the process of takeing down three of our towers. The first one was unanchored and one of our pilots was there to grab it and run. The second tower ER or SMASH (i dont know which I was not on at the time) was able to get...they were there waiting for it to get unanchored. The third tower was a blast. ER and SMASH were both trying to take the tower while RATEL was trying to save it. Haulers were getting taken out on all sides. Snipers were shooting everything that moved. It was total chaos and a damned good time had by all...unfortunately no one got the tower as our last hauler run in to get the thing caused it to go up with the hauler when it was attacked. One of our members is putting together a nive fraps of the entire fight, should be interesting. I have tried to make this as unbiased as possible. Smack in local was flying, people were getting killed left, right and center. Both sides gave as good as they got. Petitions were flying, from both sides, about harsh language, exploits, day light savings time, someone was out of coffee...etc. I would like to say, like i pointed out before, that this was a good fight but it wasnt. Things were done on both sides that bring into question the ability of gms to deal with exploits and clear use of broken game mechanics. I can not and will not discuss what has gone on concerning this for a very simple reason. If I do something I will defend it as a "fair" tactic while the other guy may not agree and think its an exploit. The same can be said for the other guys...they can do something I think is an exploit while they feel its "fair"...its all subjective. In any case it makes no difference at this time any longer. SMASH and friends are here (and by the way just in dread losses and the cost of the towers alone they could have built two of their own outposts) as well as ER and friends and RATEL. We may not have the same numbers in local that we have had in the past but we will be messing with everyone until we gain control of the system once again. and I close this...RATEL will be back. Its our outpost and we will not rest until its ours again. sadly let the personal attacks and flameing begin.
Calculon Gallente The Shadow Order The Shadow Ascension	Posted - 2006.10.04 17:14:00 - [8] Quote: well whats sad is its not even a blob if local is over 80-90 the system is going to die and u can feel it readyto die. Yep, it's very sad when there's only 40-50 people in-system and you get 10-15 seconds of modual activation lag with all effects AND sound turned off. Not at a PoS, not engaged in a fight, just hanging there in space trying to activate a module.
Arakk	Posted - 2006.10.04 17:15:00 - [9] Mujinn, about your dread op...the one where you were doing "rather well." Just because all of your dreads are alive does not mean anything. Before the node crashed we had destroyed over 40 ships, and just under 50 total after the node went back up. Local was 130ish, and we had 40 in gang at our highest point. After nearly an hour of siege on our tower you managed to bring the shields to 83% before the node crashed. Just as we were about to kick the door in on your capital ships...or your friends' capital ships...whatever. As far as the pvp, we had a few good pvp fights. Unfortunately youre wrong on your assumption on our gangs. The ONLY time our numbers were ever greater than hostile targets in system...were during aussie times. Yet we would control the station and ultimately the system for the majority of every day. Although i can understand how the morale issues would cause many of you guys to be afk every day all day. Again...believe me when i say we were legitimately ****ed off when the server crashed, we wanted to kill ALL of your ships...We find it furthermore amusing the way you guys continue to believe that you were going to even come close to winning. And some of you actually believe that we forced the crash. Also about your petitions...i like how you asked for all your ships back after the crash. When the crash had nothing to do with you losing your ships before it.
Zortak	Posted - 2006.10.04 17:23:00 - [10] Meh What's the point of this post again? Trying to say that you guys lost the system because the game isn't stable? Or saying we won the system because the game isn't stable? BS! No offense, bottom line, you guys made crucial mistakes and didn't work as much as a team (my personnal view). Learn from it, move on, and maybe, come back and try to retake the system from us. Zortak
Arakk	Posted - 2006.10.04 17:27:00 - [11] oh also we have stolen 2 towers, 2 pos guns, several thousand stront and many mroe isotopes which were simply sitting in standard containers. Oh and we stole 4 haulers , a retriever, an apoc, and a few other things. the icing on the cake was 2 days ago, when one of your dread pilots flew his apoc out the pos bubble...and then flew out in his dread to blow it up...naturally our gang was only 25% of local and we warped to him and blew his dread up AND stole his apoc.he had alot of nice beta hull mods, and even managed to drop a bunch of xl ammo and a gun. for those of you interested in ccp's slow response to mujinn's and ratels petitions, take a look see why they might not be sprinting to their aid. Could it be the way they treat the gm? [ 2006.09.29 02:38:29 ] Arakk > lol nice [ 2006.09.29 02:38:32 ] Nasus > Lo Kizer [ 2006.09.29 02:38:47 ] Carcusian > o/ nasus [ 2006.09.29 02:38:57 ] Nasus > o\ [ 2006.09.29 02:41:08 ] Edgewise > heya Nas [ 2006.09.29 02:41:16 ] SCOOTER1 > gf guys Smile [ 2006.09.29 02:41:17 ] LA Gear > if you guys didnt have more than 4 to 1 odds you might not have crashed the server [ 2006.09.29 02:41:37 ] Carcusian > lol, dont be a spoil sport Smile [ 2006.09.29 02:41:58 ] Arakk > really tho guys it was fun, an di mean that with respect [ 2006.09.29 02:41:59 ] Ziriam > LOL that coming form a guy who flyes ceptors w/ nanos and stabs.. LOL [ 2006.09.29 02:42:12 ] Loafer > F-E out of local [ 2006.09.29 02:42:15 ] Captain 5h4ggy > F-E End Talk! [ 2006.09.29 02:42:17 ] Smoothee > lol, sorry you cant join the gang, our odds would be too great [ 2006.09.29 02:42:19 ] Makran > i'd say that Mujun is way more of a spoil sport than anyone who's even spoken in Local yet tonight. [ 2006.09.29 02:42:23 ] Mujun Kross > knock it off all of you [ 2006.09.29 02:42:30 ] Mujun Kross > this problem effects all of us [ 2006.09.29 02:42:38 ] Boss Warzagh > affects [ 2006.09.29 02:42:39 ] Mujun Kross > SMASH cant win this for the same reasons we cant win this [ 2006.09.29 02:42:43 ] Motoko Moon > One way to fix .. it.. LEAVE TDE Wink [ 2006.09.29 02:43:13 ] Balleo > ok. we'll let you guys start unanchoring then. [ 2006.09.29 02:43:17 ] Mujun Kross > everyone here should be sending in petitions so that ccp will get the ******* idea through their heads that this crap is not working [ 2006.09.29 02:43:18 ] Edgewise > seriously guys, was alot of fun tho I was crazy lagged, it sucks that server crashed, 3rd time it's happened now [ 2006.09.29 02:43:30 ] GM Ginger > Hi guys, I know the node crash sucked but your going to have to be patient regarding your petitions as obviously we just got a load from you all [ 2006.09.29 02:43:33 ] Ozzyla Gall > patition sent [ 2006.09.29 02:43:37 ] Mujun Kross > how [ 2006.09.29 02:43:42 ] Egar > Again Ginger [ 2006.09.29 02:43:46 ] Ziriam > fix the servers.. [ 2006.09.29 02:43:50 ] Solano > Fix the servers. [ 2006.09.29 02:43:51 ] Edgewise > o/ [ 2006.09.29 02:43:55 ] Mujun Kross > smash and roadkill were able to recover all of our fighters drones and loot at the tower because we all crasehd [ 2006.09.29 02:43:56 ] GM Ginger > If I was a server admin I would love too believe me [ 2006.09.29 02:44:00 ] Balleo > /emote hugs Ginger. Smile [ 2006.09.29 02:44:06 ] Loafer > I thought you were GOD ? [ 2006.09.29 02:44:09 ] Makran > /emote <3's GM Ginger [ 2006.09.29 02:44:09 ] Loafer > my hopes are shattered [ 2006.09.29 02:44:27 ] Pigh8ter > hello ginger [ 2006.09.29 02:44:28 ] Soryn Kael > swap our node with Jita's, they don't need it Razz [ 2006.09.29 02:44:28 ] GM Ginger > No, Im just Ginger [ 2006.09.29 02:44:28 ] Egar > exactly, hell of a lot bigger battles going on, 135 in local ain't big [ 2006.09.29 02:44:28 ] Rocky Spaceman > hehe soryn [ 2006.09.29 02:44:28 ] Mujun Kross > we have tried this twice and each time the damned server node crashes [ 2006.09.29 02:44:28 ] Pigh8ter > glad ur experienced with this =) [ 2006.09.29 02:44:28 ] Sir ChadWicky > All H
Arakk Caldari VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.04 17:29:00 - [12] Edited by: Arakk on 04/10/2006 17:30:45 i tried to post the whole conversatio but its constant bashing and swearing at the GM until she finally leaves about an hour later. so naturally its HUGE.
Mujun Kross Gallente Vogon Deconstruction Fleet Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.04 17:34:00 - [13] also i am not an english major so take the spelling mistakes and gramatical erros with a grain of salt.
Chewan Mesa Beagle Corp	Posted - 2006.10.04 17:35:00 - [14] Nice summary, makes an interesting read.
Slash Harnet Minmatar Industrial Services INC	Posted - 2006.10.04 17:36:00 - [15] Edited by: Slash Harnet on 04/10/2006 17:36:52 Zortak, show your corp/alliance or your gonna get moderated. As for everything else happening. Smash won. So they lost some ships, big deal. Winning is winning. Node crashes suck, but it's not like just your corp suffers from them. All this section of the forum talks about lately is the nodes....
Nahia Senne Fortunis Novum Black Flag Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.04 17:36:00 - [16] Originally by: Zortak Meh What's the point of this post again? Trying to say that you guys lost the system because the game isn't stable? Or saying we won the system because the game isn't stable? BS! No offense, bottom line, you guys made crucial mistakes and didn't work as much as a team (my personnal view). Learn from it, move on, and maybe, come back and try to retake the system from us. Zortak only real mistake was building the station in a system where pos spammage could occur. otherwise, no party had a chance to take anything here, as was evident from months and months of war.
zykerx Pegasus Mining and Securities R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.10.04 17:42:00 - [17] Respect to Ratel
Peoke Caldari Rome SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.04 17:45:00 - [18] Okaytyheres no need to smack its mujun crosses thread if he feel half the facts are okay to put into it then let him theres no need to explain our side. ratel wont be the firstor the last to balme others for why we have thier station so stop post smash
Calculon Gallente The Shadow Order The Shadow Ascension	Posted - 2006.10.04 17:51:00 - [19] Peoke, the limited times that I got to engage you guys in actual combat, it was a blast. Unfortunately, most of those engagements only occured outside of TDE itself, in systems like 5F or O2O. Although I've lived in 0.0 for quite some time now, for most of TSA this was their first real foray into the deep. Have to say thanks for teaching the corp I fly with a thing or two about what it takes to be successful 0.0 corp, and giving them some pointers on PvP (most of the time, the hard way ).
Alphamarine Minmatar Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.10.04 18:05:00 - [20] I guess i should post here since you have kindly aired our conversations all over Eve-O. We were fully prepared to help you out in this case by offering the deal we did, unfortunately you did not take this deal through an understandable sense of honour. However, Your alliance will move back to empire now and you will inevitably loose corps and strength which is always unfortunately the case in these things, you could have so easily stayed with a bit more resolve and some good decision making. Obviously by airing our plans on this forum you have lost any help you may ever have got from ER, yes we asked to retain the station and for you to rent it, but would you think anyone would waste isk taking on the good pilots of Smash and Roadkill without getting their investment back? Your plan to re-arm and retake your outpost in 3 months i think is a bad one but that is your decision, i doubt once Smash and Roadkill are in you will take it back so easily. You should have stayed and fought, then maybe you would have retained it with our involvement, maybe not... but i'm sure the chances would have been higher. Well to close this, i wish you and your alliance the best of luck in the future, we will fight on but only because we enjoy it. And good luck to Smash and Roadkill, may we have many a good fight CEO Euphoria Released
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.10.04 18:06:00 - [21] Well done Smash
Marko Debreault 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.04 18:09:00 - [22] Nice read.
Romble The Graduates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.04 18:12:00 - [23] Smash wow you really wanted that outpost eh? 36+ towers and 31 in one night?%^$! You do know that you could have had 2 stations with 5 pos's in IPS. E-R has like 2 pos's holding sov in bwf and 1 in 8mg.... oh well
Mujun Kross Gallente Vogon Deconstruction Fleet Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.04 18:17:00 - [24] Edited by: Mujun Kross on 04/10/2006 18:22:00 Edited by: Mujun Kross on 04/10/2006 18:20:18 this is the current ship loss ratio from our kill boards. while it is not 100% accurate RATEL has a standing policy to post all kills/losses but this cant be enforced in any meaningful way. take the numbers for what they are as I am sure SMASH or ROADKILL can post different numbers. Kill ratio for SMASH Alliance Kills Losses Ratio Ships 248 358 1:1.44 Pods 72 105 1:1.46 Kill ratio for ROADKILL Alliance Kills Losses Ratio Ships 171 157 1.09:1 Pods 52 53 1:1.02 ROADKILL has proven to be a harder opponent than SMASH has for this engagement (but we have fought them a bit longer than smash...but not much). Also I had a breakdown based on individual corps from each alliance but I couldnt be bothered trying to format all that as well so Ill just post the overall numbers. Again the accuracy is what it is...also Kills = what they have killed while losses = what they have lost. (i tried to format this with some table stuff but its didnt work so take it as it is.
Peoke Caldari Rome SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.04 18:23:00 - [25] well if anyone is intrested in kills/losses convo or mail me and ill link u to the smash/roadkill killboards
ragewind Caldari VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.04 18:25:00 - [26] you dont uses public kil boards, we dont just leave till boards out of the forum smack. and of they day you are leaving you ****ed ER off you lost the station the future will be that just more fun to come. so rattel is not important now smash and ER ect will all have fun as it should be ------------------------------------ Dragon the patch to optimise EVE. Welcome to Tranquillity the optimised snail Please wait 4 minuets to jump war targets are 2 seconds away.
Mujun Kross Gallente Vogon Deconstruction Fleet Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.04 18:30:00 - [27] makes no difference what your claims are about the kills or ER. we would have been shooting at them when we come back into the system anyways. So again I ask what difference does it make? er has been attacking us from day one. They only stopped when FE came down to help us...since then we turned down their offer and they confirmed that we were neutral to them and a target. so again i ask you what difference does it make?
Audrea Momentum.	Posted - 2006.10.04 18:43:00 - [28] Nice story :) ------------------ Save Deimos! All posts are my personal opinions.
Rutoo Gallente Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.10.04 19:34:00 - [29] Mujun Kross you have my respect dude, it was good fighting agasint you, and your mates Good luck in the future! and as for E-R. and PURE. It was a great engagment in o2o the other night, but out of 26? that jumped into o2o, onlt 8ish made it to TDE and they got killed also i heard :) Still it was a fun fight _________________________________________________________ My First EvE Video Club Seals Not Sandwichs
hangnoose Caldari SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.04 19:49:00 - [30] E-R/CDC/Pure lost what 20 odd battleships, command ship, a HAC and recon ship + intys frigs on the very first day. These upcomming fights seem like they are gonna be pretty fun :o

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