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Aerick Dawn Gallente Vogon Deconstruction Fleet Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.04 19:56:00 - [31] Alphamarine, What tipped the deal E-R offered Ratel for me personally was the way you were using the Forsaken Empire as a harbinger of things to come for us if we went forward with it. It would be very reasonable to many, but if you understood where we came from, that just isn't the way we operate. All I can say is best of luck to you and ER in your endeavours. I feel you used FE, and the payment your miners are going to receive in retribution from Ender and crew is most likely going to be pretty bloody. Ratel's motto is "No better friend, no worse enemy". We are straight up with our friends, we have no hidden agendas, no BS. As a personal bonus now of the current situation is that I am pretty free to terrorize nearly everyone in geminate which is where my enjoyment of Eve comes into full. I was thoroughly NOT enjoyed with 11 weeks of constant siege. Some fights were good, however most on both sides were pretty much gank artistry and no real fleet fights. The only real fights came from Roadkill, and my hats are absolutely off to them for "Bringing It". Sometimes they wooped us in these big fights, and we wooped them as well. The inability to launch a succesful fleet attack on a hostile pos without the server crashing, coupled with the fact that Smash put in 28 large pos's in one night to guarantee sovereignty really took the wind out of my sails personally in full knowledge that any attack that would guarantee no dread losses would have crashed the node. Using the game mechanics in this manner, I find is cheap. Anyohw, The moment the war was over, it was pretty much a guarantee that someone fresh would smash whoever won. During this campaign as to what shocked me and many others was how deep Smash's pockets were. I counted one individual member of smash that lost 22 battleships in a 3 week period. The kill ratio's were about the same from either side with Roadkill I beleive faring slightly better. They expended enough blood and material to nearly purchase two outposts. Now, they will be fighting for their lives against a new, competent, and fresh invader. Calling Dr. Pyrrhic, can I have my victory now? Also, the drums of war are beating and many groups are now rumored to be heading towards geminate to join the conflict. Roadkill has an outpost egg from my conversations with a select few of them, what will they do now with that? I also respected the ones who resisted the use of spies and infiltration which I consider cheap and tactless, may this serve as a formal request to Smash to rescind any of them that still exist in our corporations. Some of them were in our TS relaying operational info, some of them attempted to steal ships out of our pos's. I understand it's all fair in love and war, but it also cheapens any victory. Coupled with the node instability as well as the absurd resources Smash was able to bring to bear and was WILLING to bring to bear killed it for me. To whom it may concern as to the survival of our alliance, it's doing just fine, and it really has to do with the sense of family we have internally among our core members. In closing, a salute to all involved, geminate has not been this soaked in blood for a long time, with more to come. ______________________ If I'm in a fair fight, i've done something terribly wrong.
Koronos Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.10.04 20:33:00 - [32] Originally by: Mujun Kross <good writeup and stuff> Well said Mujun. Respect and luck to you. Koronos
Crypt Gallente Raging Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.04 20:44:00 - [33] Originally by: Peoke meh kinda good post but u missed ur list of blobs u brought in to cause the node crash. and yes nafri i guess its a fun time here I think the node crashes had less to do with the amount of people than it did with all the unused ships, anchored but unused guns and arrays and all the cans full of garbage floating in all of the Smash POSes. But thats just my opinion, who knows what the real cause is and at this point it no longer matters to Ratel. Have fun wearing the ball and chain of an outpost. =) Quote: It is a poor sort of man who is content to be spoon-fed knowledge that has been filtered through the canon of religious or political belief
zykerx Pegasus Mining and Securities R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.10.04 20:57:00 - [34] the big pos deployement from smash rly surprised me,, started so slow and boom pos invasion interesting times ahead with e-r in the picture
Hippo117 Caldari 9th Fleet Academy	Posted - 2006.10.04 21:46:00 - [35] Its about time RATEL lost that place, they went and kicked out half of their only friendly alliance a few months ago. -------------- Booby > Rokh
Hammertime24 Wings of Redemption 9th Fleet	Posted - 2006.10.04 21:49:00 - [36] Edited by: Hammertime24 on 04/10/2006 21:48:43 Shame yall had to lose all that money, but Ill say it now, I told ya so. i still have a jumpclone up there, maye ill come take a peak
Zubenelgenubi Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.10.04 22:21:00 - [37] Quote: ROADKILL has proven to be a harder opponent than SMASH has for this engagement (but we have fought them a bit longer than smash...but not much). Also I had a breakdown based on individual corps from each alliance but I couldnt be bothered trying to format all that as well so Ill just post the overall numbers. About this, I got the consistent impression that RATEL considered us to be SMASH's ***** or something similar. It is nice to see that you consider us otherwise. I have had a huge amount of fun hunting you guys. CDC, PURE, ER, FE and anyone else. And another very interesting time with smash. I hope the good fights continue! Signature file size to big, please keep it under 24000 bytes. Please e-mail us at [email protected] with any questions - Petwraith
larann Gallente Paralex Research	Posted - 2006.10.04 23:06:00 - [38] Originally by: hangnoose E-R/CDC/Pure lost what 20 odd battleships, command ship, a HAC and recon ship + intys frigs on the very first day. These upcomming fights seem like they are gonna be pretty fun :o i looked at e-r's kb, maybe you should check it yourself and see the score
Hassiana Gallente Paralex Research	Posted - 2006.10.04 23:11:00 - [39] Originally by: zykerx the big pos deployement from smash rly surprised me,, started so slow and boom pos invasion interesting times ahead with e-r in the picture i doubt e-r will stay, imo they are only there for the fun fights and not the long slog (discalimer: i am usually wrong)
olyyy Gallente V I R I I Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.10.04 23:29:00 - [40] 36 POSs... Damn you guys are playing sim city or something ? Men never lie more than before elections, during war and after hunting.
Mesasone Gallente Vogon Deconstruction Fleet Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.05 01:23:00 - [41] Originally by: Hippo117 Its about time RATEL lost that place, they went and kicked out half of their only friendly alliance a few months ago. Hippo, lets not turn this into a BFA/Ratel issue. Ratel has kicked nobody out of TDe (perhaps not something to boast taking the OP into consideration), Black Flag left on their own accord, and Ratel and SMASH battled on. Enoy your stay of at The ROC SMASH, I can assure you it won't be perminate. b)
Graalum Foundation	Posted - 2006.10.05 02:01:00 - [42] Edited by: Graalum on 05/10/2006 02:01:59 Edited by: Graalum on 05/10/2006 02:01:29 Originally by: Nahia Senne Originally by: Zortak Meh What's the point of this post again? Trying to say that you guys lost the system because the game isn't stable? Or saying we won the system because the game isn't stable? BS! No offense, bottom line, you guys made crucial mistakes and didn't work as much as a team (my personnal view). Learn from it, move on, and maybe, come back and try to retake the system from us. Zortak only real mistake was building the station in a system where pos spammage could occur. otherwise, no party had a chance to take anything here, as was evident from months and months of war. Personally I would have put it in uer, about 1/2 the moons, and at least a few of them mine well if you are into that. Ore is a bit better too.
Orbital Drift Unknown Shoe Corp. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.05 02:32:00 - [43] SMASH is a dead alliance (everybody says so). They couldn't have possibly done this.
hangnoose Caldari SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.05 02:50:00 - [44] Originally by: larann Originally by: hangnoose E-R/CDC/Pure lost what 20 odd battleships, command ship, a HAC and recon ship + intys frigs on the very first day. These upcomming fights seem like they are gonna be pretty fun :o i looked at e-r's kb, maybe you should check it yourself and see the score I said E-R/CDC/Pure lost those ships not just E-R alone.
Torshin Kydance Radiant Industries Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.05 03:31:00 - [45] Props to Kanae and Mujun and Aerick dawn(was nice to see "god's hand lay the smack down in 6L78) sorry to hear about the outpost props to smash for the ability to follow through on such a long seige. I know how tough it was for you guys to keep going some times. See you at KRIN.
DanMck Amarr Rionnag Alba Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.05 08:19:00 - [46] thanks for the fights , most had very little smack the node that serves tde4 is always under heavy load and doesn't help either side enjoy fueling those towers , and also you will find out it's easier to be the attacker then defender
KIATolon Black Omega Security The OSS	Posted - 2006.10.05 08:44:00 - [47] Good to see my friends in E-R still mixing it up. Give lunas a big bear huggle from me
Laythun Undercover Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.05 09:13:00 - [48] 0.o looks like is a road trip for the Undercover Brothers. Proud Member of the Anti Whine 14
zyphentits Sector 7	Posted - 2006.10.05 09:24:00 - [49] Originally by: hangnoose E-R/CDC/Pure lost what 20 odd battleships, command ship, a HAC and recon ship + intys frigs on the very first day. These upcomming fights seem like they are gonna be pretty fun :o That's them on a good day ---------------------------------------------
Draahk Chimera Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.10.05 11:06:00 - [50] Originally by: Laythun 0.o looks like is a road trip for the Undercover Brothers. Actually it's o.0 but ya know, common mistake. :D Everyone, I'm having so much fun. Wee! I love EVE when it's like this. (mind you I havent seen much lag yet). GL everyone but mostly o.0 and SMASH. :D
logosfold Amarr ORB enterprises	Posted - 2006.10.05 11:09:00 - [51] Originally by: Orbital Drift SMASH is a dead alliance (everybody says so). They couldn't have possibly done this. You are but have backing from RA so you can build them capital ships. Just merge with them and be done with it!
Bombaman VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.05 11:42:00 - [52] Originally by: logosfold Originally by: Orbital Drift SMASH is a dead alliance (everybody says so). They couldn't have possibly done this. You are but have backing from RA so you can build them capital ships. Just merge with them and be done with it! We have not had any Backing from RA to date and most of the Capital Ships Used in this Seige were Purchased off the people were killing with them
logosfold Amarr ORB enterprises	Posted - 2006.10.05 11:48:00 - [53] Sorry I didn't realise RA and your wonderfull alliance wanted it kept quiet. MY bad!
HellsRazor Caldari FACTA NON VERBA	Posted - 2006.10.05 11:48:00 - [54] ROADKILL/SMASH eating babies :) <3
Bombaman VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.05 11:50:00 - [55] Originally by: logosfold Sorry I didn't realise RA and your wonderfull alliance wanted it kept quiet. MY bad! hrrm, havent seen any RA in TDE4.... or are RA named RA(TEL) now?
Sacul Wreckless Abandon	Posted - 2006.10.05 11:58:00 - [56] After my isp wouldn't let me log on for allmost 8 weeks i come back to this fine mess. I was hoping to get back into the action but it seems i will have to adapt once again. Well see you all in space...... p.s. Can somebody feed my exotic dancers that i left in the outpost? ----------------------------------------- "Additionally I think the term 'game' in reference to EVE is a misnomer.. its more like an elaborate hobby." (Nez Perces)<<<what i allways say; but better.
Nesa Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.05 12:06:00 - [57] Originally by: logosfold Originally by: Orbital Drift SMASH is a dead alliance (everybody says so). They couldn't have possibly done this. You are but have backing from RA so you can build them capital ships. Just merge with them and be done with it! No, actually SMASH purchased our capital ships from RATEL. The same capital ships were then used to take down RATEL POS's. RATEL Managed in 11 weeks to take down 2 SMASH POS's 1. Was the first we deployed, a corp new to SMASH put up a tower, then went to bed, no one from that corp was online, no guns were online, no stront was in the tower. They woke up, and it was gone. Lesson learnt. 2. Was again, another new corp to SMASH, a few guns and things, but it was a small/med tower, several jumps from TDE. SMASH took down towers from RATEL in K25, JE1, and UG. SMASH never had much of a numbers advantage when doing this, and indeed lost dreads in 2 sieges because we had a numbers disadvantage, and still continued the attack. RATEL didn't manage to put one of SMASH's setup poses into TDE down more than 20% sheilds, doing so cost 2 dreads the first time, and over 60 support BS's, Fleet Command ships !, AFs ! :o the second time. All this for simply a failed attempt to knock it into reinforced. There were citadel torps in the air moments away from taking down another RATEL cap ship when the node crashed, saving it. Node crashes aren't fun, the bring to an end conflicts that both sides felt they were 'winning'. To end all this numerical speculation, SMASH put up THIRTY (30) towers in the one night. Not more, not less. We had 6 up previously bringing the total to 36/71 Moons. We may or may not have more up now, I'll leave that for you to find out. A RATEL pilot, had scanned our pre-deployment location, and apparently said nothing internally do warn you, despite seeing 30 deathstars worth of weaponry floating in space. No counter attack was made in the 14 or so hours it took to setup and arm them. Admittedly the operation was hard for your 'spies' to find out about, with only a handful of SMASH and R0adkill leaders knowing before they needed to, and indeed, most only finding out after the fact. It's impossible for SMASH / RATEL to have any sort of accurate killboards. RATEL keep theirs secret, and SMASH never even had one for the first 10 weeks of the war. That and most SMASH pilots don't post killmails. RATEL certainly don't post loss mails. Even FE do not, as despite their claims, they couldn't even get their dread pilots to post their losses. As for the losses, most corps within SMASH have managed to loot more than they have lost, that one member who lost 22 BS's also managed to bump an FE dread off dock, which we then killed. So, his isk kills/losses is still quite nice. The last few weeks, there has been a noticable drop in the quality of the loot of RATEL and allies. E-R has brought a fresh batch of wonderfully bountiful loot. The other night they lost 3 fully T2 BS's in exchange for scooping one of RATELs towers, and killing 1 T1 BS, 1 interceptor, and 3 t1 destroyer & lower. The 30 Towers is a small indication of how dedicated SMASH are. We don't have miners you can go harass, we don't have other systems you can go shoot us in. E-R and friends have chosen unwisely. I will leave them to find this out for themselves.
Gummie The Sanctum Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.05 13:21:00 - [58] It also didn't help that not one notification mail was sent out for the towers. Frankly I'm not really upset with Smash or Roadkill. This would have been so much more fun if CCP could get their heads out of their collective rear.
Laythun Undercover Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.05 15:26:00 - [59] Originally by: Draahk Chimera Originally by: Laythun 0.o looks like is a road trip for the Undercover Brothers. Actually it's o.0 but ya know, common mistake. :D Everyone, I'm having so much fun. Wee! I love EVE when it's like this. (mind you I havent seen much lag yet). GL everyone but mostly o.0 and SMASH. :D Actually with my deep, Barry white like voice, it sounds like 0.o Proud Member of the Anti Whine 14
Nesa Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.05 16:03:00 - [60] Edited by: Nesa on 05/10/2006 16:04:20 Originally by: Gummie It also didn't help that not one notification mail was sent out for the towers. Frankly I'm not really upset with Smash or Roadkill. This would have been so much more fun if CCP could get their heads out of their collective rear. Maybe true, however a RATEL cov ops, in local gave us information that let us know that he had seen our 30 towers worth of POS weaponry, hours before we started putting towers up. So, it would have been possible. However SMASH well and truely owned local at that point, with our allies from Roadkill we assembled the largest and best equipped gang we had in the whole opperation. Most SMASH members were still in the dark, and wondering why we weren't running dread ops with these sort of numbers. So I really doubt it would have made any difference. The first towers we put up (in the opening stages of this all), RATEL arrived within 90 seconds of the anchoring process beginning. So they were definetly working then. Anyway, bug or no bug, we would have put those towers up. RATEL put their last tower up in UG during a GM enforced cease fire, following a node crash. After we had taken down their last one. They also took advantage to remove their other POS in system that we had hit into reinforced and would have taken down if not for the cease fire... IMO this is pretty low. SMASH didn't invade TDE because we disliked RATEL, we went because we told them that we wanted the system before they put the outpost up. We told them, put it up elsewhere and we will get along fine. The didn't listen, underestimated us, and have ultimately paid for that. There are some good fighters on RATEL's side, some nice people too. However it seems that the huge majority in TDE, cannot fight, and are not very nice people. We still don't take that personally, as it appears they're equally brutal to their own alliance members and allies.

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