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Lexmana
Imperial Stout
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Posted - 2011.12.01 19:24:00 -
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OP, you are doing it wrong!
You state that you are a "casual" player that grinds ISK to buy PLEX. What made you think that would be fun? Try spend $15 a month on subscription instead so you can stop the grinding and have fun playing. Paying with PLEX was never intended for casual players. |

Martyr Theos
The NecroMonger Faith
26
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Posted - 2011.12.01 19:27:00 -
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Kaede Kimura wrote:Shhhh OP, nobody cares that you're taking your toys and going home.
I rather think CCP cares.
- $180 U.S. / year to revenue per account |

Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
219
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Posted - 2011.12.01 19:29:00 -
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mkint wrote:People don't quit over minor quibbling annoyances.
lol...I think you misunderstand most of the players in EvE...have you seen the BS posts about people quitting because of the new font? Support our boobies!-áLINKY! |

Martyr Theos
The NecroMonger Faith
26
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Posted - 2011.12.01 19:31:00 -
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Herrington Vance wrote:Ingvar Angst wrote:They've failed to realize that they can't take the sand out of people's sandbox and expect them to go play in the sandbox they choose. People will simply look at their empty box and go home. Ah the classic "taking my ball and going home," false sandbox analogy. If you are willing to accept that the best interests of the sandbox, proper, are more important than some player-defined niche; you have to dismiss the line of reasoning you just used. If CCP endeavors to make the game, as a whole, more interesting and more rewarding for it's players then they quite clearly have to step on the toes of players (like the OP) who have created their own idea of what the game should be and held onto that idea so tightly that any attempt to dislodge them is met with a hissy-fit and cries that their playstyle is being impeded. Same ****, different patch, same answer: HTFU.
but you are forgetting the other part of that quip of yours, to whit,
HTFU OR GTFO and he is GingTFO. So the only loser here is CCP. |

Deamos
Dev Null Development and Holdings
96
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Posted - 2011.12.01 19:32:00 -
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Your stuffz, I can haz? |

Velicitia
Open Designs
148
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Posted - 2011.12.01 19:34:00 -
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Martyr Theos wrote:Lady Spank wrote:I like how you dont even explain what the problem is. I like how your such a Fanbois Idiot that you couldn't comprehend the problem if he outlined it in black ink on white paper for you.
/me looks at the forums...
funny, I see white light on a grey-ish (light) background all behind a pane of glass...
where can I get this black ink on white paper internet from?
OK, seriously though. EVE is a Massively Multiplayer game. Sure, there are things that a loner could do ... but the expectation that EVERYTHING should be able to be done by a loner in the same capacity that 10 or 20 or 50 people could do it is completely wrong... |

Martyr Theos
The NecroMonger Faith
26
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Posted - 2011.12.01 19:37:00 -
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Deamos wrote:Your stuffz, I can haz?
No, like the OP, I'm selling a warehouse full of crap accumulated over six years of Eve to sell for isk to buy PLEX for game time. So it will be a while before I actually leave. |

Nex apparatu5
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
86
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Posted - 2011.12.01 19:38:00 -
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I never understood these farewell threads. People who are basically unknown come out for a tearful tirade about how they don't like some aspect of the game.
Eve is modeled in some part after the biggest sandbox game: real life. There isn't a single player in Eve who goes 'solo' in real life, not sure why this should be required in Eve.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1838
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Posted - 2011.12.01 19:40:00 -
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leavwiz wrote:in other words, only low sec should have higher tier missions than lvl 4 because somehow high sec doesnt deserve more challenging content. No-one is forcing you to not challenge yourself GÇö that's your choice. If you don't like that choice, don't make it. You create the game; make your own challenge if you want one. Since you claim not to care about the rewards the entire problem is that you don't actually want to challenge yourself, and now you're complaining that the game is not doing the job for you.
Quote:Arent lvl 4 missions that land in low sec offering different rewards for the same mission than they do in high sec? why a unique mission assignment for lvl 5? Because we're talking about different reward mechanics here, and because L5 missions are not L4 missions, just like L4 missions are not L3 missions. It's not unique in any way.
Quote:bug fix or nerf isnt the question, its the intent of the move. GǪexcept that the intent is to fix a bug. Just because you've been able to exploit that bug to your advantage doesn't mean that it should remain and that you should be able to keep exploiting it.
Quote:so my question remains, explain why the lvl 5's have a different mechanic. They don't. They're just higher-tiered missions just like 6/10s are higher-tiered exploration sites. Higher tier GåÆ higher rewards GåÆ higher risk from the environment you play them in. The only thing that's throwing you off is that they never bothered implementing L6GÇôL8 missions.
Quote:The risk should be the mission npcs , not pvp players. No, that's not how EVE works. The risk is always the players, largely due to EVE being a PvP game. What you're looking for is a PvE game GÇö something that is not EVE. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1838
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Posted - 2011.12.01 19:40:00 -
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Khai'ne wrote:But should the game be all about combat? Yes. That creates a dynamic that has no equal in any other game out there, and it lets us have this quite unique marketplace and player economy that sits at the very core of the game.
Quote:The fact that CCP has added the features of mining, building and so on suggests that, at one point at least, they intended the creation half of the cycle to be an important part of the game. However, at the moment it is obvious that participating in the desctructive side of eve is far more involved and varied, and worryingly it is this side that nigh on all of the recent updates are focusing on. GǪyou mean apart from all the new stuff that's being added that gives the creative side more things to create, most notably some of the things the OP whines about? What your fact is missing is that CCP implemented those creative parts in such a way that they are also part of the PvP dynamics that makes combat so involved and varied. It's when you try to separate yourself from that dynamic that the variation and involvement is lost.
Crucible added more stuff for the creative-minded to be creative with. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
67
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Posted - 2011.12.01 19:43:00 -
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Op is flawed. I am a solo/small corp player, and I have loads of fun in HS.
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Blood Fart
Silent Coven
24
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Posted - 2011.12.01 19:47:00 -
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leavwiz wrote: happy pvp'ers
Happy Trails
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Proteus Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2011.12.01 19:51:00 -
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Quote: If MMORPG players were around when God said, "Let there be light" they'd have called the light gay and plunged the universe back into darkness by squatting their nutsacks over it.
Your jib Sir. . . The cut pleases me. lawl Eve... It's just a better class of Idiot. |

dorfsorc
Firestorm Tactical Research and Development
1
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Posted - 2011.12.01 19:54:00 -
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Mrs Sooperdudespaceman wrote:leavwiz wrote:its not about the stuff, its about the fun No, after reading your previous posts, it looks like it's about making Isk and playing for free. I'm gald CCP did this and buffed losec and null. 
i know leavwiz he was a fellow corpmate. He was generous to a fault, his gameplay was not about making isk , i am sure he gave away far more than i will ever earn as a combat pilot.
Changing the isk flow isnt what drove him and other corpmates from the game, It was the relentless destruction of the casual , friendly pleasant game that was high sec production and mining. I read his posts, he isnt trying to speak for all high sec players, just those that have fnally given up on the hope that EVE will continue to be a home for them in the gaming world.
I will be joining another high sec based corp and continue to run missions myself. I am sure i will continue to have fun. But yes, I am sad to see leavwiz and others like him go. (and no , he didnt give me all hiz stuffs, but he made sure i can play for as long as i choose to)
the dorf |

Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
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Posted - 2011.12.01 19:56:00 -
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leavwiz wrote: its not about the stuff, its about the fun
My post wasn't about the stuff per se -- it was really about the idea of 'fun'.
If a pen-and-paper roleplayer sits his character in town for the entire game, he's probably going to get bored fairly quickly. The real fun is in exploring the dungeon (in this case, low/nullsec), fighting off the monsters and getting out alive with the loot.
It's high-security space, after all-- there aren't any NPC pirates of note, because CONCORD wouldn't let them operate. Therefore, low risk. Thus, less fun for someone looking for a real challenge.
That said -- it is, of course, silly to continue doing something if it's no longer fun. I hope that we haven't lost you permanently, but perhaps taking a break and seeing the MMO scene from another game's POV is a good idea. |

Pinaculus
The High and Mighty
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Posted - 2011.12.01 19:59:00 -
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Lifelongnoob wrote:i too think eve online has become too dependant on suicide ganking... its a silly game mechanic really.
no ship should die to a single volley imo. Pvp these days is over too quickly. lock, fire one volley at target, watch it explode, lock another target & repeat. there is no really epic dogfights anymore.
i think ALL ships (both indy and pvp) should have a major hp buff so that fights actually last more than one or two volleys
Tank modules?
Staying aligned?
Keeping track of local?
D-Scan?
No ship >should< get instapopped. They do, but that isn't necessarily EVE's fault. I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs. |

War Kitten
Panda McLegion
302
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Posted - 2011.12.01 20:06:00 -
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dorfsorc wrote:
Changing the isk flow isnt what drove him and other corpmates from the game, It was the relentless destruction of the casual , friendly pleasant game that was high sec production and mining.
What has been done to destroy the casual friendly pleasant game that was highsec production and mining? Ganking? Wardecs? Price changes?
They're all player issues. Other players generated them; you as players get to be creative and deal with them in any of the many ways allowed.
Quitting the game and whining on the forum are the two least succesful of these methods though.
Quote:I read his posts, he isnt trying to speak for all high sec players, just those that have fnally given up on the hope that EVE will continue to be a home for them in the gaming world.
Pro-tip analogy: When looking for a happy peaceful home, say in the mountains maybe, don't pick Afghanistan. They have PvP there too. This is my signature.-á There are many others like it, but this one is mine. |

Halcyon Ingenium
Warm Holes
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Posted - 2011.12.01 20:13:00 -
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So the OP just figured out this isn't a theme park game and is getting out; this is six pages long. Why? People say things like: "Oh, you make so much money. What do you need any more for?" Well, actually, *****, I never asked for your opinion. I'll let you know when I have enough money. -Gene Simmons |

Killie
Loki's Marauders Dragoons.
1
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Posted - 2011.12.01 20:47:00 -
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You have tons of options open to you..... if you have billions of isk get in contact with a low sec corp, see if you can make them a deal. Give them good tax rates on a POCO if they can protect it for you. Offer them ships or minerals on the cheap, ANY NUMBER OF THINGS. Trading goods for services rendered = player interaction = what makes eve fun. Try it out.
btw: I live in low sec and never did a level 5 mission, pay sucks.
edit: I lived in a fairly secure low sec pocket with an anti pirate corp and I'm sure we would have let a corp like you have your own POCO or 2 or 3 and even protected it for you if you offered enough benefits. It's all about interacting with people and find something that will benefit you. Make it your new eve goal. A corp doesn't necessarily have to do everything at once. Some corps are logistics corps (RED AND BLACK FROG) some corps just like to shoot things (most low sec corps). The important thing to remember is, many many corps simply lack the means/will to mess with something like a poco. If you can give them a good incentive on decently priced ships or modules or reduced taxes on their planetary interaction I bet you will find some takers. Hell if you become valued enough i'm sure they will even scout you in so you don't get blown up. Good luck to you and hope you stick to this interesting and ever changing game. Fly dangerously  |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1838
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Posted - 2011.12.01 20:51:00 -
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Halcyon Ingenium wrote:So the OP just figured out this isn't a theme park game and is getting out; this is six pages long. Why? Because, paradoxically, he still hasn't figured it outGǪ  GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |

dorfsorc
Firestorm Tactical Research and Development
1
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Posted - 2011.12.01 21:01:00 -
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Halcyon Ingenium wrote:So the OP just figured out this isn't a theme park game and is getting out; this is six pages long. Why?
i think its a combination of those that love to bash what they percieve as care bear types and those that love to show their inherent disdain for players that arent combat oriented. Each time someone like the OP posts regarding a game change or their wave goodbye, the majority of the posts seem intended only to point out what an idiot the person was for ever bothering to play or worse yet, to post in the forums.
My playstyle is different than his, but I still hate to see he and my other corpmates leaving the game that they used to love. perhaps it is just boredom or the unwilingness to adapt. but the vitriol heaped on them helps explain why they didnt get to know more of the community better. Heaven forbid if they speak there minds from their comfortable sandbox POS's in high sec space.
oh well at least he got whatever was bothering him off his chest and the rest of us will move on . |

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
102
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Posted - 2011.12.01 21:03:00 -
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I just liked the OP to tell I agree with his point on how casual soloers are being neglected and even prejudiced while nullsec whiners and PvP ganker bullies get love.
Crucible has provided me with zero gameplay, zero goals, and zero reasons to keep playing.
And CCP better gives me something TO DO by summer expansion, else they will have one customer and two accounts less. So... no affordable NEx store... no full-fledged Incarna... no new casual content... no new solo content... no new PvE content...-á
Why should I keep paying to play this game? |

Nephilius
Pillage and Plunder Salvage Co.
60
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Posted - 2011.12.01 21:09:00 -
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leavwiz wrote:message clearly received. High sec players that are soloists or in small corps are not wanted.
As the last remaining player in my once fun and thriving corp, I too will be moving on to an mmo where production and harvesting are operational spheres that dont require subjecting yourself to gank happy pvp'ers
I have taken down the POS with its construction and research bays I have hauled our stuff to Jita and sold it at buy prices (so no you cant have my stuff) I will not bother to visit my PI sites again as launch taxes now exceed the market value of the goods from my humble , low efficiency high sec planets.
When my plex runs out you can add me to the growing statistic of casual players that find no game value in EVE anymore.
perhaps i should turn on my CQ option again to remind me how well dev resources were spent on creating a login lagfest, so I wont wax sentimental about rejoining the game.
To those who I have been able to assist with materials and ships, perhaps our paths will cross again in the mmo's we discussed. in the meantime, fly safe. have fun leavwiz
Sorry to see you go, bub. I've been there myself...sometimes you gotta do what's best for you and ignore the rabble. Be well in whatever you decide to do! o/ If you bring down a giant, you're a hero. If you kill something weak-even if it has to die-then you will endure contempt. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
243
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Posted - 2011.12.01 21:11:00 -
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Exploration and the way I play has not changed at all.
Of course, my style of play was never "ISK Vacume at all costs including actually playing".
The only way CCP is going to drive me away is to come up with a "Explode on undock if not in major alliance" feature.
Surely those major alliances accomplish that in 0.0, which is why I don't use the gates they sit on (and keep a cloak in a high slot), but that's why nobody wants to play with them. Yet they will complain when they get bored too.
Oh well. I know CCP is planning something by driving off the more productive players - perhaps they felt that the game was getting too full of an "entitlement mentality".
But I am certain that in the long run, those people who liked the cheap BCs and BSs for their daily loss in PVP and foolish mistakes in PVe will also have to HTFU.
So relish in seeing others get driven off. Lack of EvE is not going to kill them and they will have forgotten the game in a while. But when even the hardore leet Jan Bradys around here start worrying about losing ships and their carebear highsec alt can't earn enough ISK to keep them supplied and pay for that PLEX, the tears will come flowing from a new direction. |

Archy Mayaki
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2011.12.01 21:13:00 -
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That's the cycle of gaming. People leaving and People joining all the time but we all love drama, don't we?
Also this new PI situation is great. |

leavwiz
Firestorm Tactical Research and Development
31
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Posted - 2011.12.01 21:15:00 -
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had no idea this thread would run on so, thanks to those that offered thoughts, constructive or otherwise. I hope the future does bring more casual/high sec content. I hope dorfsorc finds a corp worthy of his pilot skills. I hope someone figures out a reason to do PI in high sec in a small corp. I hope i that before my plex run out in can transfer hundreds of bpc's and bpo's to an interested production person.
It has been an interesting ride, but the last 3 releases do nothing for players like me and losing friends in chat and corp has taken its toll. I hope everyone has a good holiday and look forward to the coming year. Be safe |

arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
23
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Posted - 2011.12.01 21:18:00 -
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leavwiz wrote:Serial Chi wrote:what game are you going to btw? i had avoided naming other mmo's in my post, but in response to your question, I play vanguard (all my primary characters are crafters and diplos) It is a game for mature players that dont expect to make max level in a matter of weeks. great community as well.
I love that game but quit after its initial release. I'd go back to it if it had a decent player base... |

Whiteknight03
WESAYSO Industries
18
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Posted - 2011.12.01 21:24:00 -
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Lol any serious industrialist knows that taxes are only ever a problem for the consumers. Learn to play, and let the door hit you on the way out. |

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
102
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Posted - 2011.12.01 21:28:00 -
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leavwiz wrote:had no idea this thread would run on so, thanks to those that offered thoughts, constructive or otherwise. I hope the future does bring more casual/high sec content. I hope dorfsorc finds a corp worthy of his pilot skills. I hope someone figures out a reason to do PI in high sec in a small corp. I hope i that before my plex run out in can transfer hundreds of bpc's and bpo's to an interested production person.
It has been an interesting ride, but the last 3 releases do nothing for players like me and losing friends in chat and corp has taken its toll. I hope everyone has a good holiday and look forward to the coming year. Be safe
Shared feeling here. Casual soloers have been neglected for long or downright prejudiced (Lvl5 got "fixed", hoooray ), and lately even those of us who hoped about Incarna have been disappointed.
Yet apparently gankers got new ships and nullsec gangsters got something else to blow and all that sinful WiS stuff was put on ice for good. And everything is well and dandy for DUST to come and give more nullsec content while hisec busy people with a life can pretty much go f**k ourselves... or play other games. if we find them, that is. So... no affordable NEx store... no full-fledged Incarna... no new casual content... no new solo content... no new PvE content...-á
Why should I keep paying to play this game? |

Alea
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2011.12.01 21:44:00 -
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I agree with OP it is not as fun in high sec for small corps as it used to be so I'm shutting my operations down and letting my accounts expire, once the last job is complete everything goes off line, I'm keeping my toys so U can't haz, I'm hoping in time it will get better in high sec for small corps so will need it all.
People voice that they are leaving in hopes CCP is listening, that's my reason for posting anyway.
I had a good long run and was fun while it lasted but I also hope to someday come back to a better Eve. |
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