i too think eve online has become too dependant on suicide ganking... its a silly game mechanic really.

no ship should die to a single volley imo. Pvp these days is over too quickly. lock, fire one volley at target, watch it explode, lock another target & repeat. there is no really epic dogfights anymore.

i think ALL ships (both indy and pvp) should have a major hp buff so that fights actually last more than one or two volleys

I've been with 2 alliances accused of RMTing, about to enter a 3rd. Never seen any proof of botting, other than specific corps or independent people.

They are out there, but on an alliance scale? Nope.

Speaking of PI. I can see a lot of people not bothering, particularly in worm holes as the PI stations will be used as griefing tools to try and lure people out of their POS.

in other words, only low sec should have higher tier missions than lvl 4 because somehow high sec doesnt deserve more challenging content.

Well....

Yeah, that's pretty much it. To paraphrase a pen-and-paper RPG that I once played:

A stroll down main street doesn't entitle the players to a +9 Demon-Slaying Sword of Eternity's Light. You have to venture into the Caves of Ogg and defeat the dragon first.

There are plenty of easy, quick and profitable missions in highsec (I can easily clear a million in a couple of hours by doing work for the agents), but the trade-off is that you're not going to get really 'good' stuff by staying huddled up safe in highsec.

No, that won't work... even if they take a PCO to reinforced, they'll still have to leave through their exit hole if they want to get back to where they came from before hand. If they stay, meh... more wasted isk, put up another when they leave.

Unless, of course, the residents actually have the forces to evict the invaders, then it may be fun... but there's better ways to initiate combat in wormholes than shooting at one of these piece of crap structures.

If you cannot adapt, then you die. This thread is the 'GAME OVER' screen of Eve.

High sec players that are soloists or in small corps are not wanted.

I would just like call complete and utter bollocks to this statement
I am casual and live mainly in high sec (I enjoy the odd foray into low/null) and I enjoy Eve more now then I ever have.
The truth of the matter is that you are a complete and total arse who has ultimately failed and is now throwing a tantrum.
Now STFU and take your worthless pathetic hide to some other Hello Kitty Game.
**** do I hate people who think they are speaking on behalf of everybody

I don't know about how annoying it might be to ref a pco in w-space, but the fact that there is now another point of contention for fights to occur is a good thing. There might be "better," things to shoot at, but if one side is reluctant to shoot at all: this ought to provide some incentive.

Anyone who wants to be a kickass bounty hunter (say, cowboy bebop style) can't because this game is broken and abused by it's player base : aka : griefers.

EVE is no longer fun for casual players that choose to remain in high sec.

I admit wholeheartedly that the situation for people like me could be better, absolutely,
but to say "anyone who wants to be a bountyhunter ... can't" is simply wrong !

None, in your example, but you show me where you can produce in complete security.

Despite working primarily in high sec, we are still subject to market PvP, and for me at least, mining insecurity issues, and wardecs too.

The market will balance back out, certainly, but lowsec PI is now pretty much out of reach for folks like me, and it was a fun thing to do before Crucible because it was risky. Now, it's a case of either paying pirates taxes, or protecting your own POCO's, and for me anyways, neither of those options is going to fly.

oh, by the way- taking your stuff to Jita and selling at the first buy order made another industrialist very happy. Maybe even a "solo" person who prior to that was just as dispondent.

Why? What's the incentive? Transfer your goods to the planet remotely, let the invaders reinforce it... they'll likely leave before it comes out, then it's a rep and business as usual. Non-combat oriented corps in holes will function exactly as they do now, except they'll have to delete annoying emails that a PCO is being shot at. Combat oriented corps don't need the added incentive as it is. They see someone on dscan and they're at the hole salivating all the way.

Well....

Yeah, that's pretty much it. To paraphrase a pen-and-paper RPG that I once played:

A stroll down main street doesn't entitle the players to a +9 Demon-Slaying Sword of Eternity's Light. You have to venture into the Caves of Ogg and defeat the dragon first.

There are plenty of easy, quick and profitable missions in highsec (I can easily clear a million in a couple of hours by doing work for the agents), but the trade-off is that you're not going to get really 'good' stuff by staying huddled up safe in highsec.

its not about the stuff, its about the fun

This isn't a dev issue. The player base has gotten quite bored so this is what hey do. If you wnat to point the finger at any one group, point it at Alliance leaders who would rather have bots running and hoard up Alliance isk off of moon goo instead of play the game to it's potential. This is what they're told is "fun" even though running a mission would be more challenging. The effects of good propaganda on the weak minded are evident.

You know, if you are/were going to play the industry/market game, then maybe you should have taken the time to learn how supply, demand, and price-setting worksGǪ

I like how you dont even explain what the problem is.

what part of MMO are you not getting ?

Shhhh OP, nobody cares that you're taking your toys and going home.

People don't quit over minor quibbling annoyances.

Ah the classic "taking my ball and going home," false sandbox analogy.

If you are willing to accept that the best interests of the sandbox, proper, are more important than some player-defined niche; you have to dismiss the line of reasoning you just used. If CCP endeavors to make the game, as a whole, more interesting and more rewarding for it's players then they quite clearly have to step on the toes of players (like the OP) who have created their own idea of what the game should be and held onto that idea so tightly that any attempt to dislodge them is met with a hissy-fit and cries that their playstyle is being impeded.

Same ****, different patch, same answer: HTFU.

I like how your such a Fanbois Idiot that you couldn't comprehend the problem if he outlined it in black ink on white paper for you.

Your stuffz, I can haz?

in other words, only low sec should have higher tier missions than lvl 4 because somehow high sec doesnt deserve more challenging content.

Arent lvl 4 missions that land in low sec offering different rewards for the same mission than they do in high sec? why a unique mission assignment for lvl 5?

bug fix or nerf isnt the question, its the intent of the move.

so my question remains, explain why the lvl 5's have a different mechanic.

The risk should be the mission npcs , not pvp players.

But should the game be all about combat?

The fact that CCP has added the features of mining, building and so on suggests that, at one point at least, they intended the creation half of the cycle to be an important part of the game. However, at the moment it is obvious that participating in the desctructive side of eve is far more involved and varied, and worryingly it is this side that nigh on all of the recent updates are focusing on.

happy pvp'ers

If MMORPG players were around when God said, "Let there be light" they'd have called the light gay
and plunged the universe back into darkness by squatting their nutsacks over it.

No, after reading your previous posts, it looks like it's about making Isk and playing for free.

I'm gald CCP did this and buffed losec and null.

its not about the stuff, its about the fun

i too think eve online has become too dependant on suicide ganking... its a silly game mechanic really.

no ship should die to a single volley imo. Pvp these days is over too quickly. lock, fire one volley at target, watch it explode, lock another target & repeat. there is no really epic dogfights anymore.

i think ALL ships (both indy and pvp) should have a major hp buff so that fights actually last more than one or two volleys

Changing the isk flow isnt what drove him and other corpmates from the game, It was the relentless destruction of the casual , friendly pleasant game that was high sec production and mining.

I read his posts, he isnt trying to speak for all high sec players, just those that have fnally given up on the hope that EVE will continue to be a home for them in the gaming world.

So the OP just figured out this isn't a theme park game and is getting out; this is six pages long. Why?

So the OP just figured out this isn't a theme park game and is getting out; this is six pages long. Why?

message clearly received. High sec players that are soloists or in small corps are not wanted.

As the last remaining player in my once fun and thriving corp, I too will be moving on to an mmo where production and harvesting are operational spheres that dont require subjecting yourself to gank happy pvp'ers

I have taken down the POS with its construction and research bays
I have hauled our stuff to Jita and sold it at buy prices (so no you cant have my stuff)
I will not bother to visit my PI sites again as launch taxes now exceed the market value of the goods from my humble , low efficiency high sec planets.

When my plex runs out you can add me to the growing statistic of casual players that find no game value in EVE anymore.

perhaps i should turn on my CQ option again to remind me how well dev resources were spent on creating a login lagfest, so I wont wax sentimental about rejoining the game.

To those who I have been able to assist with materials and ships, perhaps our paths will cross again in the mmo's we discussed. in the meantime, fly safe. have fun
leavwiz

i had avoided naming other mmo's in my post, but in response to your question, I play vanguard (all my primary characters are crafters and diplos)
It is a game for mature players that dont expect to make max level in a matter of weeks. great community as well.

had no idea this thread would run on so, thanks to those that offered thoughts, constructive or otherwise. I hope the future does bring more casual/high sec content. I hope dorfsorc finds a corp worthy of his pilot skills. I hope someone figures out a reason to do PI in high sec in a small corp. I hope i that before my plex run out in can transfer hundreds of bpc's and bpo's to an interested production person.

It has been an interesting ride, but the last 3 releases do nothing for players like me and losing friends in chat and corp has taken its toll. I hope everyone has a good holiday and look forward to the coming year. Be safe

Hey, Low/Null Morons..

Once CCP manages to chase off all the high-sec carebears (Who, I might add, you used to be just like. You weren't born in null.) then they'll lose even more revenue than their horrible management already has.

Not to mention, you'll be forced to actually shoot each other instead of setting everything blue before it has the slightest chance of pressing F1.

Good luck recruiting when the playerbase goes down the tubes and when you can't supply yourself because you're too elitist to mine.

Jerkfaces.

This guy is highly upset.

Awwww

i had avoided naming other mmo's in my post, but in response to your question, I play vanguard (all my primary characters are crafters and diplos)
It is a game for mature players that dont expect to make max level in a matter of weeks. great community as well.

Just one point to make.

The OP has a valid complaint, actually. Eve, since it is an MMO, does not cater to a solo player.

However, to fix this, you would need to remove the ability for groups to work together for a greater reward.

So all you're really saying, is that playing solo in an MMO is non-optimal.

Working as intended.

Just one point to make.

The OP has a valid complaint, actually. Eve, since it is an MMO, does not cater to a solo player.

However, to fix this, you would need to remove the ability for groups to work together for a greater reward.

So all you're really saying, is that playing solo in an MMO is non-optimal.

Working as intended.

Confirming you know nothing about the T2 Manufacturing process

Good luck recruiting when the playerbase goes down the tubes and when you can't supply yourself because you're too elitist to mine.

Keep quitting, more people like you will increase my own margins.

message clearly received. High sec players that are soloists or in small corps are not wanted.

As the last remaining player in my once fun and thriving corp, I too will be moving on to an mmo where production and harvesting are operational spheres that dont require subjecting yourself to gank happy pvp'ers

I have taken down the POS with its construction and research bays
I have hauled our stuff to Jita and sold it at buy prices (so no you cant have my stuff)
I will not bother to visit my PI sites again as launch taxes now exceed the market value of the goods from my humble , low efficiency high sec planets.

When my plex runs out you can add me to the growing statistic of casual players that find no game value in EVE anymore.

perhaps i should turn on my CQ option again to remind me how well dev resources were spent on creating a login lagfest, so I wont wax sentimental about rejoining the game.

To those who I have been able to assist with materials and ships, perhaps our paths will cross again in the mmo's we discussed. in the meantime, fly safe. have fun
leavwiz

Explain Chribbas success then.

My little industry alt is doing just fine solo too.

Explain Chribbas success then.

My little industry alt is doing just fine solo too.

Actually, the OP was making an acute point about everything wrong with EVE.

I cannot wait for the day when EVE continues to bleed subscribers and eventually has to launch ridiculous offers to try to lure new players in so that they don't have to s***can the game, along with your profit margins..

Oh, wait. That's today..

Why would I be upset? I don't pay to play this terrible game.

Look at all the ****s I give.

Actually, the OP was making an acute point about everything wrong with EVE.

If you don't want to blob, you're not welcome here.

If you don't want to have to put up with retards on voice-comms so that you can have a huge fleet to gank your opponent, you're not welcome here.

What the OP actually stated was that people are penalized for being happy with being a small, efficient corporation. And I agree with him.

I find absolutely zero skill in the blob mentality of EVE anymore, and the rare skilled pilot eventually is pulled into the Zerg, with a select few of course excluded from this generalization.


For some of us, EVE was a place to actually test our skills in combat. There's nothing more fun than going in against a mining fleet with protection alone, taking on six ships, and STILL managing to blow up three of their ships and escape.
I would imagine industrialists feel the same when they pull off something magical despite working with a "just friends" crew.

As EVE continues to be pushed on towards spaceblob, and a numbers game, it loses it's character for a lot of those players.

But that's okay, right? That some people lose the part of the game that they loved. Just ask Faction Warfare.

No, he wasn't.
He was whining his profit margins are lower because of a change introduced that he doesn't understand, that will actually balance out, possibly in his favour if a lot of other idiots quit doing PI this week, too.

The "OMG ITS ALL BLOBS!!" retort is just a weak, apologetic excuse for not even trying.

Well done, anonymous forum alt #61223, for being too risk averse to even try.

totally-risk-averse-mindset

I love Crucible more and more every day and posts like the OP's are definitely a sign that EVE is headed in the right direction --> away from the mainstream MMO crowd and towards a pre-defined path of darkness and hostility in space.

Yes. That creates a dynamic that has no equal in any other game out there, and it lets us have this quite unique marketplace and player economy that sits at the very core of the game.
GǪyou mean apart from all the new stuff that's being added that gives the creative side more things to create, most notably some of the things the OP whines about? What your fact is missing is that CCP implemented those creative parts in such a way that they are also part of the PvP dynamics that makes combat so involved and varied. It's when you try to separate yourself from that dynamic that the variation and involvement is lost.

Crucible added more stuff for the creative-minded to be creative with.

You're the type of totally-risk-averse-mindset player that EVE needs less of or needs to break new habits into. How about you learn to live and thrive in lowsec?

If the foundation to adapt isn't within the fundamentals of the game then Everyone dies regardless. Oh wait, that's all eve is about - dying.

Enjoy wasting your lives never accomplishing anything while you dedicate all of your days and nights to this lackluster imitation of a space game that doesn't even feature zero-g vacuum simulation, manual controls, or more hardcore elements mostly found in scifi.

The complaint isn't saying he can't adapt, he is saying that there is no reason to because there is no potential reward for adapting. In other words, players are losing motivation to play because of corruption and the rigged/manipulated market ruining the game.

Hell I logged on the 29th just to get the free implant (pathetic but who cares, can't even use it - "slot is filled" with better implant)
and decided to grab some skillbooks but had to go 20 jumps just to get to an old school system that wasn't completely borked on the market. People buying the skill books and re-selling them twice as much, those people can f themselves and die irl. Thanks.

Anyway, OP is right regardless of what all you brown nosers proclaim, the game is dying because CCP can't even reinforce their own game's design and rules. Two examples: People breaking in-game mechanics to avoid consequences = unfair advantage = game broken; Second example: Poker website using bounty system as leaderboards and free advertising = broken and abused ingame mechanic that has been neglected for so many years = broken game. Anyone who wants to be a kickass bounty hunter (say, cowboy bebop style) can't because this game is broken and abused by it's player base : aka : griefers.

Eve = Griefers vs Griefers.
Anyway, Anyone innocent or just trying to enjoy the game will always get caught in between these idiot griefers who ruin the game to spite other people just to try and fill the giant empty void that is where their soul and consciousness should be.

No offense to CCP, I mean they are trying... But this game could be so much better in so many facets if they just cared more about the game instead of the revenue they get. When you care about your game, the money that comes from it is just icing on the cake. I shouldn't have to explain that a well made game = more revenue but products just made for revenue = lackluster and uninspired and usually tank/don't do well/or just crawl along.

I cannot wait for the day when EVE continues to bleed subscribers and eventually has to launch ridiculous offers to try to lure new players in so that they don't have to s***can the game, along with your profit margins..

Oh, wait. That's today..

You're the type of totally-risk-averse-mindset player that EVE needs less of or needs to break new habits into. How about you learn to live and thrive in lowsec?

message clearly received. High sec players that are soloists or in small corps are not wanted.

As the last remaining player in my once fun and thriving corp, I too will be moving on to an mmo where production and harvesting are operational spheres that dont require subjecting yourself to gank happy pvp'ers

I have taken down the POS with its construction and research bays
I have hauled our stuff to Jita and sold it at buy prices (so no you cant have my stuff)
I will not bother to visit my PI sites again as launch taxes now exceed the market value of the goods from my humble , low efficiency high sec planets.

When my plex runs out you can add me to the growing statistic of casual players that find no game value in EVE anymore.

perhaps i should turn on my CQ option again to remind me how well dev resources were spent on creating a login lagfest, so I wont wax sentimental about rejoining the game.

To those who I have been able to assist with materials and ships, perhaps our paths will cross again in the mmo's we discussed. in the meantime, fly safe. have fun
leavwiz

message clearly received. High sec players that are soloists or in small corps are not wanted.

As the last remaining player in my once fun and thriving corp, I too will be moving on to an mmo where production and harvesting are operational spheres that dont require subjecting yourself to gank happy pvp'ers

message clearly received. High sec players that are soloists or in small corps are not wanted.

As the last remaining player in my once fun and thriving corp, I too will be moving on to an mmo where production and harvesting are operational spheres that dont require subjecting yourself to gank happy pvp'ers

I have taken down the POS with its construction and research bays
I have hauled our stuff to Jita and sold it at buy prices (so no you cant have my stuff)
I will not bother to visit my PI sites again as launch taxes now exceed the market value of the goods from my humble , low efficiency high sec planets.

When my plex runs out you can add me to the growing statistic of casual players that find no game value in EVE anymore.

perhaps i should turn on my CQ option again to remind me how well dev resources were spent on creating a login lagfest, so I wont wax sentimental about rejoining the game.

To those who I have been able to assist with materials and ships, perhaps our paths will cross again in the mmo's we discussed. in the meantime, fly safe. have fun
leavwiz

perhaps CCP should consider having npc's provide everything so there is no need for people to derive enjoyment from the act of making things for other people. If the game was all about combat (which it wasnt when i started playing) then your question is valid. The fact that immense processes for BP's , production, resource gathering all tell me that CCP intended for this sphere to be part of the enjoyment of the game. In most worlds, crafters are admired for putting their skills into their craft at the expense of being adventurers. let the adventurers keep them safe and fight as they wish amongst themselves. We choose where to spend our skill points. Our inherent value is providing things to others in a timely fashion often in exchange for other things we need to do our work. I rather liked that aspect of the game.

A Sudden Buggery pilot that defends blobs. Imagine that. How rich.

I will not bother to visit my PI sites again as launch taxes now exceed the market value of the goods from my humble , low efficiency high sec planets.

Edit: FREE TIP FOR EVERYONE WHO HAS BEEN DOING PI:

The POCO/Tax change will greatly increase the market price of PI goods. All of them. If you currently have any stock, selling them below cost is silly as the "market price" will rapidly readjust. Once the new equilibrium is found, you will be making exact same ISKies as before. Potentially more, as bunch of math-deficient crybabies give up on PI, cutting down supply while the demand is not going anywhere. If anything, this is great news for PI as it allows PI producers to squeeze more ISK out of T2 producers, POS runners and Starbase equipment builders.

As the last remaining player in my once fun and thriving corp, I too will be moving on to an mmo where production and harvesting are operational spheres that dont require subjecting yourself to gank happy pvp'ers

i had avoided naming other mmo's in my post, but in response to your question, I play vanguard (all my primary characters are crafters and diplos)
It is a game for mature players that dont expect to make max level in a matter of weeks. great community as well.

EVE is no longer fun for casual players that choose to remain in high sec.

just to make sure I understand - the OP's OP says he is bored and quitting due to recent changes to the game but it really sounds like he wants all areas/aspects of the game open to all players in all areas? So, he wants L5's (for example) without having to go into low-sec to get them?

did I miss anything?

Well....

Yeah, that's pretty much it. To paraphrase a pen-and-paper RPG that I once played:

A stroll down main street doesn't entitle the players to a +9 Demon-Slaying Sword of Eternity's Light. You have to venture into the Caves of Ogg and defeat the dragon first.

There are plenty of easy, quick and profitable missions in highsec (I can easily clear a million in a couple of hours by doing work for the agents), but the trade-off is that you're not going to get really 'good' stuff by staying huddled up safe in highsec.

If the game was all about combat (which it wasnt when i started playing) ...

So where are the risks in null at the moment? As far as I can tell it is one huge blue hug-fest. Any argument that uses "risk vs reward" to support greater rewards for the same activities in null and high is a complete crock.

How about CCP enforce the higher risk? Maybe have any sov holder that is not actively at war with, and actively fighting a similar sized or bigger foe gets no respawing resources in their territory. No plexes, no roids, no moon goo, no missions, nothing.

Put the risk back in to null to justify the rewards