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EnglishBob
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.06 12:34:00 -
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For those who are following the current RISE v Outbreak drama, Here is a short summary of the last 24 hours.
After the last Downtime, 'External forces' left the shield at 10%, Outbreak were under instruction not to change this in any way. Outbreak forms a gang with the intention of holding the station against the expected assualt.
Many hours of inactivity pass. Around Midnight Eve-time, RISE begin to stir and Outbreak form up in anticipation of some good fighting. A few more hours pass and numbers start to dwindle, when the fight actually begins, Numbers are reduced on both sides. Anyone interested should know where to look.
Outbreak successfully defend their territory through to downtime, the station shield has naturally healed to about 85-90% during this time.
A great surprise is in store for us as we log in after Downtime. The station has magically passed to a RISE corporation.
Draw your own conclusions as to how this happened. Maybe RISE have an elite team of Downtime warriors in Dreads.
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Saal Iverson
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.06 12:36:00 -
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Edited by: Saal Iverson on 06/10/2006 12:37:26
meh
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Kazim
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.10.06 12:40:00 -
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Damn that must be frustrating.
But, correct me if I'm wrong, don't you have to be in an alliance to hold stations to begin with?
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kbullet
Caldari
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.06 12:45:00 -
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I do feel really dissapointed of the actions that was undertaken for this. Alot of us EU players stay up to defend and make sure we hold the station after DT today, Rise actually got it together to engage us. (its been a while since our last decent fleet with rise) ofcourse they failed and u know where to find the results.
After the fight we stuck around see if rise would have another go, but sadly nothing happened, so i head off to bed with a smile in my face and thinking of the dedication of outbreak members have contributed to prevent rise to take back to do anything.
Just right before DT i woke up to check the station and it was still in our control. Local was still filled by outbreak, so i head off to make breakfast watch some TV and still thinking of the deidcation outbreak members have made. i log back in and BAM a smack on the face 9-4 station is under rise control.
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Dortock
The Scarlet Harmonic
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Posted - 2006.10.06 12:45:00 -
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Looks to be a bug, unfortunately GMs probably can't reverse it due to the dynamic situation taking place.
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MacDuncan
Minmatar
Unknown Society
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Posted - 2006.10.06 12:54:00 -
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Pretty sad CCP, honestly...you screwed TOXIN for their affords and reversed game mechanics ("it's not possible ot change ownership of any station, not even within the same alliance!")...
I woudln't be surprised to see some more vets leave the game at it's current state...
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Machiavelli7
Gallente
Obsidian Asylum
Pure.
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Posted - 2006.10.06 12:54:00 -
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that's disgraceful.
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Raste
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.06 12:59:00 -
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That sucks.
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SwindonBadger
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.06 13:04:00 -
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...... well so how many hrs did external forces waist of players time..... 30 + hrs times roughly 30 people is like 900 hrs worth of anoying campy campy just to get the , um let me show u my madgic DT wand. Dont think its safe to fly around us now eternal forces of much trickery! ur corspe will be worthy of a ban!
they could have done this the day before ! but noooooooooo
maybe they thought rise would shoot the station?
station conqured withought being shot....? all stations need to be shot to get conqured no? please tell me im wrong GMs? forget wether outbreak are allowed to charge/shoot station, even if we werent they would still have had to claim it buy shooting it no? so make them friggen shoot it.
I want a T2 burrow and I dont want to dig for it please wave ur wand, just doesnt cut it to me.
with kind reagrds
ur very tierd and pritty grumpy badger.
raghhhh :P least it got us a fight!
3 hrs sleep get the news, counts how many posses rise have left, cleans big shinny gun.
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KIATolon
Black Omega Security
The OSS
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Posted - 2006.10.06 13:05:00 -
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Apalling
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Rina Shanu
Phoenix Knights
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Posted - 2006.10.06 13:07:00 -
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As I posted before I'm with Outbreak on this one. Shame shame shame !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Shield left at 10%, orders given not to try and do something about against Outbreak. Thats a lot offered on a plate for the picking. Considering RISE did not grab the opportunity the station becoms theirs after DT ?
If the game at its state permited such things as to Outbreak to take over the station, it is clearly not their fault.
If RISE were incapable to take the station back from Outbreak even if so called 'outside forces' diminished the shileds to 10% it is their fault.
This hurts and I'm not even involved.
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Castor IV
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.06 13:14:00 -
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Edited by: Castor IV on 06/10/2006 13:15:59
As I understand it from what GMs are saying is that a entity that not holds the sovereignty of a system (which only alliance can do) is not supposed to be able to lock and shoot the station. This would mean that 0utbreak should never have been able to conquere the station in the first place. RISE where supposed to be the only entity allowed to shoot the station. Although every one can have their own opinions if thats right or wrong one thing is crystal clear here. RISE still had to shoot the station to claim it.
And this is where 0utbreak got screwed by the GMs. Because no one can say that the game mechanics are suppose to allow you to shoot the station in peace without a interference of a third party. A entity shooting the station puts itself always in danger of getting shoot at. And thats exacly what 0utbreak was there to do. RISE where suppose to claim the station by shooting it and 0utbreak was there to make that job as difficult as possible all within game mechanics.
And what happens, RISE gets the station handed to them without firing a single shoot at it.
This is the reward you get for staying up to 6 AM in the morning to get a fight just to find out you get screwed by 'External force' without any power to do anything about it. 
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Hellspawn01
Amarr
The Phantom Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.06 13:18:00 -
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This magical external interference needs to be looked at, especially the part that happened during downtime.
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Serapis Aote
TBC
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Posted - 2006.10.06 13:19:00 -
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This is pretty much BS...
Whatever the outcome was the BS was the GMs knowing that they were going to switch ownership at downtime and not tell anyone.
Utter BS. IF that is the decision at least tell Toxin so they dont waste an entire day trying to defend it.
It was on the boards, it was petitioned...it was a known situtation. How long would it have taken for them to just let toxin know what was going to happen, so they didnt waste any time.
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SwindonBadger
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.06 13:27:00 -
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please tell me we have some bombay fraps ! as to not go completly insane and try and laugh about it all, I know u had ur camera out
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BirdBleed
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.06 13:35:00 -
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lets wardec the gms 
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KIATolon
Black Omega Security
The OSS
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Posted - 2006.10.06 13:36:00 -
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A corp can hold a station, but it cant use soverignity to make the station unshootable.
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Tanya Kovacs
SteelVipers
YouWhat
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Posted - 2006.10.06 13:36:00 -
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This is a shame. External forces seem to work very independent from eachother.
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EnglishBob
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.06 13:36:00 -
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Edited by: EnglishBob on 06/10/2006 13:37:01
Sorry Swindon, The only thing I can offer you is:
Marko Debreault: The Movie!
(NSFW)
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Caldess
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.06 13:39:00 -
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 Originally by: KIATolon
A corp can hold a station, but it cant use soverignity to make the station unshootable.
We know. We were using our ships to fulfill that role. 
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Avant Royce
Caldari
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.06 13:40:00 -
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We are ENRAGED
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vache
Resurrection
R i s e
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Posted - 2006.10.06 13:44:00 -
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Station control was re-granted to RISE as we have sovereignty over the system. As you may or may not be aware, a corp can usually take control of a station except in the case where an alliance actually holds sovereightny in that system. When this is the case, only that alliance can fire upon the station. It was explained to me by a GM that it was an exploit that allowed TOXIN to gain control of the station, so in accordance with CCP rules, station control has been returned to RISE. I'm sure this doesn't overly bother TOXIN as they have expressed before that they have no interest in alliance politics or POS warfare.
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Vache
REZ - Director of Operations.
RISE - Minister of External Affairs. |
Castor IV
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.06 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: vache
When this is the case, only that alliance can fire upon the station. Quote:
Quite true and how many shoots did you fire at the station to claim it for RISE??
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SwindonBadger
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.06 13:49:00 -
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answer this, did u get the station without shooting it, if its a yes something is wrong here, if its flawed that outbreak could take it, give it back to the corp that held it (not in ur alliance) and u will still have to shoot it!
just beacuse u have sov doesnt meen u dont have to shoot it to reclaim it from the corp that split,
......... u hide places, we dont want those places, but we want to stop u hiding,.
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Boldyn
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.06 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: vache
Station control was re-granted to RISE as we have sovereignty over the system. As you may or may not be aware, a corp can usually take control of a station except in the case where an alliance actually holds sovereightny in that system. When this is the case, only that alliance can fire upon the station. It was explained to me by a GM that it was an exploit that allowed TOXIN to gain control of the station, so in accordance with CCP rules, station control has been returned to RISE. I'm sure this doesn't overly bother TOXIN as they have expressed before that they have no interest in alliance politics or POS warfare.
It was a bug, at best, not an exploit. Pick you words better.
And all of that is ofc, totally beside the point, meaning you get 0 points for this atempt.
- "Death smiles at us all, all a man can do is smile back" |
Saal Iverson
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.06 13:53:00 -
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What would happen in this situation?
A corp is in an alliance that owns a station which this alliance has Sov in system. But this alliance leaves the alliance and tells the alliance they are keeping the station. But does not have Sov.
Does this mean this corp will simply lose the station by "outside intervention"?
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Das Yad
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.06 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: vache
Station control was re-granted to RISE as we have sovereignty over the system. As you may or may not be aware, a corp can usually take control of a station except in the case where an alliance actually holds sovereightny in that system. When this is the case, only that alliance can fire upon the station. It was explained to me by a GM that it was an exploit that allowed TOXIN to gain control of the station, so in accordance with CCP rules, station control has been returned to RISE. I'm sure this doesn't overly bother TOXIN as they have expressed before that they have no interest in alliance politics or POS warfare.
IIRC from my old alliance days even the ALLIANCE HOLDING SOV of the system cant even lock the station you get the "target invuln" message. IMHO it wasnt a bug since you guys had to shoot the station anyway right? by your rules you shouldn't have even been able to shoot the station since the alliance holding the system sov was rise but wait for this, the corp holding the corp WASN'T in rise at the time. thrilling stuff
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Cloue
Gallente
MAFIA
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Posted - 2006.10.06 13:56:00 -
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For someone that doesnt want to own territory or be in the politics of alliances, you seem to be crying alot about not having it
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whisk
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.06 14:02:00 -
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I'd also like to add to English Bobs time line;
At around 02:30 local in 9-4 had 40 RISE members suddenly logged off and local in xzh suddenly lost 20 RISE members. At 03:00 local in 9-4 jumped up by 40 people and local in xzh jumped up by 20 people.
Also congrats to RISE on not being able to take a station from a 160 man corp who were defending the station with a 30-40 man gang all day, without needing the magic pixie dust to give it back for them.
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Pepperami
Art of War
Cult of War
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Posted - 2006.10.06 14:03:00 -
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This is absolutely disgusting.
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