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ScoRpS 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.06 14:03:00 - [31] I am pretty much devestated that we spent so much time isk and resources to avert RISE from recapturing the station TWICE only to be foiled by a power that cannot be challenged. Imagine defending a station from being shot at whilst being told you are not allowed to touch it with sheild regen equipment.... I doubt that RISE actually wanted this outcome and wish them the best of luck in re-securing their position in eve. They'll need it!
grizouh Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.06 14:05:00 - [32] the station in 9-4 loves to be bugged anyway, remember situations after stv + .fsp left d2, lost sov of course due to no alliance, goon took over 9-4 1 or 2 days later, -y- was founded, next dt sov went back to -y- as goons did not had the majority on posses at that stage of war and we could not shoot at the station to get it back from goons. it took the gm¦s quite long to sort that out... (which was really important for us as the xzh station was in goon hand, too). later goons were able to shoot at the station even though not having sov, same was able to us when goon had sov... (but station did not take any dam) anyway, i see nothing wrong in conquering stations even if the conq. corp is not an alliance-member. they will not hold it for a long time anyway and if the old holding corp messed it up (by leaving the alliance) its not the conquerers fault. i did not know that non alliance corps are not allowed to take them over, thought the safety of stations lays in the pos + sov system which is restricted to alliances. just to get this right: the holding corp left rise (bad timing btw)? afterwards outbreak took control over the station by shooting it down as the old holding corp is _not_ in the alliance which currently has sov anylonger? and now ccp says this is not allowed? ccp whether make it possible to switch holding corps inside an alliance (in case a corp leaves in good terms) or just stay out of this story...
Caldess 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.06 14:07:00 - [33] Originally by: Cloue For someone that wants people to fight for their space and is willing to devote the time and effort towards that, you seem to be crying alot about them not having to fight and having the station given to them anyway. Fixed. Hope this helps you understand better. Seriously though, apparently all you have to do is has sovereignty over a system where someone else owns the station and just put in a petition and the station will be given to you. No need to shoot the shields or risk engaging a defending fleet at all. Let the GMs do the hard work for you. --------------
Ilmonstre Minmatar 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.06 14:08:00 - [34] Originally by: Cloue For someone that doesnt want to own territory or be in the politics of alliances, you seem to be crying alot about not having it the point is we dislike rise and they have alot of assets in the station in 9-4 and aslong as we have the station they can not touch those assets and if the station never gets back to them they wont be able to take it and since people know we are helping Youwhat out with our attacks on rise it would mean that if youwhat would take over sov then rise will loose all those assets as they will be locked up inside the station and now we can not even defend it since rise got it back without firing 1 shot since at the wel 1.5 attempts they made we were there to try to destroy all ships in the hostile gang. so this shows that anny 1 person can hold a station aslong as he/she deploys enough towers to get sov.
Caldess 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.06 14:10:00 - [35] Originally by: Ilmonstre so this shows that anny 1 person can hold a station aslong as he/she deploys enough towers to get sov. and enough petitions :) --------------
maGz The Priory	Posted - 2006.10.06 14:13:00 - [36] just Absolutely disgusting ____________ The Priory Killboard
xenorx 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.06 14:22:00 - [37] Originally by: vache Station control was re-granted to RISE as we have sovereignty over the system. As you may or may not be aware, a corp can usually take control of a station except in the case where an alliance actually holds sovereightny in that system. When this is the case, only that alliance can fire upon the station. It was explained to me by a GM that it was an exploit that allowed TOXIN to gain control of the station, so in accordance with CCP rules, station control has been returned to RISE. I'm sure this doesn't overly bother TOXIN as they have expressed before that they have no interest in alliance politics or POS warfare. First of all becareful of using that word EXPLOIT. You imply that we deliberatly used some dishonorabe tactic or game mechanics. This is totally false and you know it. I cant speak for all of Toxin but I can speak for my own feelings on the situation. It really sucks. A tremendous amount of my time was wasted sitting around 9-4 for days. The GM's tried to initially make it easier for you to take the station by knocking the shields down for you and tieing our hands behind our backs. Rise didnt even try to get it. The sheilds naturally regenerated on thier own. Another day passes and Rise finally makes a half hearted attempt to take the station this morning at around 04:00 eve time. They got slaughtered in the attempt. So finally the GM's get off the pot and decide that since Rise cant do it for themself that they will just waive thier magic wand and hand it straight over to Rise. That is just plain pathetic. I am serously dispapointed with CCP on this. Me and a lot of other players have had thier time wasted and lost a tremendous amount of respect for CCP in this. If I was in Rise I would hang my head in shame. No one can hear you scream in space, so just shut up and die already.
Garramon Gallente Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.10.06 14:23:00 - [38] Here is exactly what happened: ToA leaves alliance at downtime, with the 9-4 station in their possession. After downtime, a few RISE see that they can take it for thier corp, and start shooting it. 0utbreak knows that they can take it, and push out the RISE that are shooting it and take the station for themselves. Someone in RISE petitions the GMs asking if this is possible, since RISE has sovereignty. GM says NO, its a bug, and drops the station shields. 0utbreak camps station preventing it from being retaken with a force of about 15 - 25 BS, 4 carriers and 10-20 support, all varying throught the day of course....all day long. RISE sees that this is going to be big and tells everyone that tonight is the night. Four corps out of 26 show up with more than one representative. In total, 7 RISE corps showed their face during the day. These four corps were Ressurection, Sturmgrenadier, Big Advanced Assault and Shadow Gypsies. Total gang spread across the constellation is around 50 to 60. 0utbreak controls the gates as the RISE force is spread around, this makers it very difficult to merge into a viable force. RISE eventually attacks, losing pretty badly. Sob...this isn't good. GM replies again, saying the bug is now known and that the station control will be where it should, in RISE hands. ----------------------------- So, in conclusion, stop accusing RISE of doing something ghey or underhanded. A peition is perfectly valid and bugs happen. I would like to commend the corps that showed up to fight, and I would like to remind everyone that nobody in their right mind fights when they are outmaneuvered and outgunned, its suicide. These four corps do not underestimate the ability 0utbreak brings to the table. They did an excellent job of defending the station, even if it was in vain due to an unknown bug. I am sure RISE will be thinking hard. ----------------------------- That being said, I have just violated a direct order from the ceo of my corp not to post on these forums. For some reason the fact that ~50% of the people replying to the thread fail to read and understand the point of the OP is hilarious.
UniqueOne	Posted - 2006.10.06 14:26:00 - [39] Originally by: Boldyn Originally by: vache Station control was re-granted to RISE as we have sovereignty over the system. As you may or may not be aware, a corp can usually take control of a station except in the case where an alliance actually holds sovereightny in that system. When this is the case, only that alliance can fire upon the station. It was explained to me by a GM that it was an exploit that allowed TOXIN to gain control of the station, so in accordance with CCP rules, station control has been returned to RISE. I'm sure this doesn't overly bother TOXIN as they have expressed before that they have no interest in alliance politics or POS warfare. It was a bug, at best, not an exploit. Pick you words better. And all of that is ofc, totally beside the point, meaning you get 0 points for this atempt. Of course TOXIN don't use explots.. lol I remember them spaming a bunch of cans outside a station in WY-9LL. I also recall them camping jita moon 4 caldari navy assembly in peak time. .. nah, no exploits there
Selpy 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.06 14:28:00 - [40] Originally by: UniqueOne Of course TOXIN don't use explots.. lol I remember them spaming a bunch of cans outside a station in WY-9LL. I also recall them camping jita moon 4 caldari navy assembly in peak time. .. nah, no exploits there awww look at the cute lil alt, Marko, can I keep it, he's so cute and cuddly.... Look deep into these eyes, they'll be the last thing to see you!
EnglishBob 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.06 14:32:00 - [41] Edited by: EnglishBob on 06/10/2006 14:36:56 edited by EB, There's no point slapping down alts when the mods can do it for me ------------------
Pepperami Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.10.06 14:32:00 - [42] Originally by: Garramon Someone in RISE petitions the GMs asking if this is possible, since RISE has sovereignty. I'm sure there was some "creative" wording in those petitions. Because what has happened has gone against the way the game has functioned since the pos/sov/invuln thing came in. It's truely pathetic and I am so dissapointed a dev has not intervened. I wish this had happened to bob so maybe we'd get a dev sorting out this blatent petition-cheating.
UniqueOne	Posted - 2006.10.06 14:33:00 - [43] Post with your main please. Posting with an unidentified alt in this forum is prohibited, if you wish to participate in the discussions here, be sure to have your corporation and or alliance status ticked in your forum settings. - Karass Sayfo
grizouh Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.06 14:35:00 - [44] Originally by: Garramon Here is exactly what happened: ToA leaves alliance at downtime, with the 9-4 station in their possession. After downtime, a few RISE see that they can take it for thier corp, and start shooting it. 0utbreak knows that they can take it, and push out the RISE that are shooting it and take the station for themselves. Someone in RISE petitions the GMs asking if this is possible, since RISE has sovereignty. GM says NO, its a bug, and drops the station shields. Just for clarification: Did the petitioner mention that the station-owner was not in rise anylonger? or did he just say: we have sov, why can they shoot at our station?
Shinjuro Solidline Enterprise	Posted - 2006.10.06 14:37:00 - [45] 1. Bug?? How so? It seems from what I have read to been a perfectly legal way of taking the station. 2... 3. Lame at best. Alts rule the bizzy.
Talland 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.06 14:38:00 - [46] Edited by: Talland on 06/10/2006 14:39:38 "The test of friendship is assistance in adversity, and that too, unconditional assistance. Co-operation which needs consideration is a commercial contract and not friendship. Conditional co-operation is like adulterated cement which does not bind." - Mahatma Gandhi RISE ALLIANCE MOTTO RISE sees that this is going to be big and tells everyone that tonight is the night. Four corps out of 26 show up with more than one representative. In total, 7 RISE corps showed their face during the day. These four corps were Ressurection, Sturmgrenadier, Big Advanced Assault and Shadow Gypsies. Total gang spread across the constellation is around 50 to 60. - GARRAMON There's a problem somewhere Anyway, here's the fraps of how it was Linkage
UniqueOne Caldari Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2006.10.06 14:40:00 - [47] Originally by: UniqueOne Post with your main please. Posting with an unidentified alt in this forum is prohibited, if you wish to participate in the discussions here, be sure to have your corporation and or alliance status ticked in your forum settings. - Karass Sayfo This is my main

Karass Sayfo Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.10.06 14:41:00 - [48] Yup, just noticed you edited your forum settings. Happy posting _______ forum rules \| [email protected]

KIATolon Black Omega Security The OSS	Posted - 2006.10.06 14:42:00 - [49] I think the suggestion is that the bug is that rise had sov, therefore no one should have been able to shoot the station, however that then implies that as soon as any entity gains sov in a system, they automatically get the station... The fact is: Neutral corp owned station, so anyone could shoot it... just because the station USED to belong to rise it doesn't mean it should stay in the possession of rise as corps own stations, not alliances. (although it would make life FAR easier if there WERE an alliance wallet and alliances held the stations!!!) I think the GM has made a mistake... else this is a major policy change.
Azriel Dregg Caldari The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.06 14:43:00 - [50] Having been involved in about 8 station captures in the last 6-8 months -- here's how I condense the logic (which has been reinforced by about 4-5 petitions due to various reasons): If outpost is held by a corp that is not part of the alliance that holds Sov, it can be shot by anyone. If the outpost is subsequently captured by a corp that is NOT part of the alliance holding sov, it can immidiately be shot by anyone. If the outpost is subsequently captured by a corp that IS part of the alliance holding sov, it cannot be shot by anyone unless sov is changed/holding corp leaves alliance.
Caldess 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.06 14:45:00 - [51] Originally by: Garramon Here is exactly what happened: ToA leaves alliance at downtime, with the 9-4 station in their possession. After downtime, a few RISE see that they can take it for thier corp, and start shooting it. 0utbreak knows that they can take it, and push out the RISE that are shooting it and take the station for themselves. Someone in RISE petitions the GMs asking if this is possible, since RISE has sovereignty. GM says NO, its a bug, and drops the station shields. 0utbreak camps station preventing it from being retaken with a force of about 15 - 25 BS, 4 carriers and 10-20 support, all varying throught the day of course....all day long. RISE sees that this is going to be big and tells everyone that tonight is the night. Four corps out of 26 show up with more than one representative. In total, 7 RISE corps showed their face during the day. These four corps were Ressurection, Sturmgrenadier, Big Advanced Assault and Shadow Gypsies. Total gang spread across the constellation is around 50 to 60. 0utbreak controls the gates as the RISE force is spread around, this makers it very difficult to merge into a viable force. RISE eventually attacks, losing pretty badly. Sob...this isn't good. GM replies again, saying the bug is now known and that the station control will be where it should, in RISE hands. ----------------------------- So, in conclusion, stop accusing RISE of doing something ghey or underhanded. A peition is perfectly valid and bugs happen. I would like to commend the corps that showed up to fight, and I would like to remind everyone that nobody in their right mind fights when they are outmaneuvered and outgunned, its suicide. These four corps do not underestimate the ability 0utbreak brings to the table. They did an excellent job of defending the station, even if it was in vain due to an unknown bug. I am sure RISE will be thinking hard. ----------------------------- That being said, I have just violated a direct order from the ceo of my corp not to post on these forums. Respect to you for posting and respect to Res, Sturm, Big AA and Shadow for showing up to fight. At least you guys show that you are willing to defend your space. Respect. --------------
Mindlles 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.06 14:47:00 - [52] Originally by: Garramon Here is exactly what happened: ToA leaves alliance at downtime, with the 9-4 station in their possession. After downtime, a few RISE see that they can take it for thier corp, and start shooting it. 0utbreak knows that they can take it, and push out the RISE that are shooting it and take the station for themselves. Someone in RISE petitions the GMs asking if this is possible, since RISE has sovereignty. GM says NO, its a bug, and drops the station shields. 0utbreak camps station preventing it from being retaken with a force of about 15 - 25 BS, 4 carriers and 10-20 support, all varying throught the day of course....all day long. RISE sees that this is going to be big and tells everyone that tonight is the night. Four corps out of 26 show up with more than one representative. In total, 7 RISE corps showed their face during the day. These four corps were Ressurection, Sturmgrenadier, Big Advanced Assault and Shadow Gypsies. Total gang spread across the constellation is around 50 to 60. 0utbreak controls the gates as the RISE force is spread around, this makers it very difficult to merge into a viable force. RISE eventually attacks, losing pretty badly. Sob...this isn't good. GM replies again, saying the bug is now known and that the station control will be where it should, in RISE hands. ----------------------------- So, in conclusion, stop accusing RISE of doing something ghey or underhanded. A peition is perfectly valid and bugs happen. I would like to commend the corps that showed up to fight, and I would like to remind everyone that nobody in their right mind fights when they are outmaneuvered and outgunned, its suicide. These four corps do not underestimate the ability 0utbreak brings to the table. They did an excellent job of defending the station, even if it was in vain due to an unknown bug. I am sure RISE will be thinking hard. ----------------------------- That being said, I have just violated a direct order from the ceo of my corp not to post on these forums. To add to that, Ur petion u sent in said Outbreak was exploting, and was not giving the true story to the GM. Gm acted wrongly. The stations have been like this since they relased, havent heard this been wrong before. They figured out they where wrong, sent rise a msg that they could move their ships, then they figured out they relaised they done even more wrong, and gave the station back to rise. How rise have handle this with loggfski and similar stuff is just Sooo bad i feel for rise grunt folk that screamed for pvp hole night, while their fcs order loggofksi :/ So sry if i said annythign towards rise members, alot is great ppl good fun guys. The leadership on other hand.. is another story.
KIATolon Black Omega Security The OSS	Posted - 2006.10.06 14:47:00 - [53] Originally by: Azriel Dregg Having been involved in about 8 station captures in the last 6-8 months -- here's how I condense the logic (which has been reinforced by about 4-5 petitions due to various reasons): If outpost is held by a corp that is not part of the alliance that holds Sov, it can be shot by anyone. If the outpost is subsequently captured by a corp that is NOT part of the alliance holding sov, it can immidiately be shot by anyone. If the outpost is subsequently captured by a corp that IS part of the alliance holding sov, it cannot be shot by anyone unless sov is changed/holding corp leaves alliance. Yes that's also my understanding, but maybe there's a departure from that?
xenorx 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.06 14:48:00 - [54] Originally by: BirdBleed HERE IS WHAT REALLY HAPPENED !!!! LOL good one BB No one can hear you scream in space, so just shut up and die already.
Hans Roaming Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.06 14:49:00 - [55] Originally by: vache Station control was re-granted to RISE as we have sovereignty over the system. As you may or may not be aware, a corp can usually take control of a station except in the case where an alliance actually holds sovereightny in that system. When this is the case, only that alliance can fire upon the station. It was explained to me by a GM that it was an exploit that allowed TOXIN to gain control of the station, so in accordance with CCP rules, station control has been returned to RISE. I'm sure this doesn't overly bother TOXIN as they have expressed before that they have no interest in alliance politics or POS warfare. Right so the fact it has been this way since sov came into being doesn't set a precident? Why should who has sov determine who can lock the station, only when the station owner is part of the entity who has sov is and should the station be invulnerable. It should not be classed as a bug and is not an exploit and has been an accepted part of the game for as long as I remember. Having the POS boost the station shields due to sov makes sense, having the ships targetting computers only work due to sov doesn't. This action has been a joke tbh.
RacerX1 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.06 14:50:00 - [56] At a personal level the most frustrating thing about it is the amount of time wasted. Everyone seems to understand that, except CCP and the GM's, naturally.
Azriel Dregg Caldari The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.06 14:51:00 - [57] Originally by: KIATolon Yes that's also my understanding, but maybe there's a departure from that? CCP never make game logic changes without first informing the player base in a change log. ... Right?
Schneiderr Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.06 14:56:00 - [58] it was sort of interesting at some point, when there was only one thread about this topic and you guys where talking nicely. now this is just another unneeded boring read, thanks for that
Laythun Undercover Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.06 15:03:00 - [59] I feel sorry for Outbreak wasting so much time, only to have RISE run to the GM's to have the station control reverted. No matter what spin RISE put on it, that is the fact of the matter. They F'd up and got the GM's to fix it for them. Disgusting IMHO Proud Member of the Anti Whine 14
Castor IV 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.06 15:04:00 - [60] Originally by: Garramon So, in conclusion, stop accusing RISE of doing something ghey or underhanded. A peition is perfectly valid and bugs happen. What a utter BS, the only possible bug which is debatable is if 0utbreak was allowed to shoot the station or not. And dont forget that the station was in the hands of a neutral entity, not in any alliance. Even so Rise that holds sov over the system still had to shoot the station shields to claim it. Somehow they could not rise to the task and had the station given to them on a silver platter without firing a single shoot at it.

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