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Great Guardian
Minmatar
Sturmgrenadier Inc
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Posted - 2006.10.06 15:06:00 -
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I can only say that it was a bug used by Outbreak. Multiple GMs confirmed this.
Cheers,
GG
" I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Hah!
Attack ships on fire, off the shoulder of Orion.
I watched C-beams, glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate.
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Selpy
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.06 15:13:00 -
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 Originally by: Great Guardian
I can only say that it was a bug used by Outbreak. Multiple GMs confirmed this.
Cheers,
GG
I can say I'm the King of Canada, but it doesn't make it true just because I said it 
I'm done posting about this, I'm ****ed off, I want to kill something, not camp a station for 24 hours.
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Rasitiln
Minmatar
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2006.10.06 15:19:00 -
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wait so this ALLIANCE could not take a station from a CORPERATION, so they petitioned it to a GM because they let the station get taken. Says alot about the alliance if you ask me. 
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Castor IV
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.06 15:25:00 -
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Edited by: Castor IV on 06/10/2006 15:32:48
Edited by: Castor IV on 06/10/2006 15:30:02
I think many with me would like a DEV to comment on what exacly is the bug in the scenario that took place in 9-4.
FACTS ARE:
1. A alliance holds sov over the system
2. A now neutral corporation once in the alliance holds the station.
Game mechanics say the station is conquereble.
Who can lock and fire on the station ?
1. Only the alliance that holds system sov. ?
2. Anyone in the game ?
Follow up question, if the answer on the first question is that everyone can shoot the station.
1. What is suppose to happen when the last fired shoot at the station that decides who will claim the station is made by the neutral entity and not the alliance corp that holds sov in the system.?
I think the EVE community is entiteled to a DEV response and clarification of game mechanics on this issue.
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Kraven Kor
Sturmgrenadier Inc
R i s e
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Posted - 2006.10.06 15:36:00 -
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My only post here is going to simply state that I am tired of fighting a group that needs to cheat, lie, steal, or infiltrate their enemies to win. I know the EVE community thinks thats all super cool and stuff, but SG has been more than willing to engage Outbreak only to have them relay our every word from whoever their spy is. No matter how much we tighten security, no matter how much we keep to command chatter, it doesn't matter.
Sturmgrenadier is above that. We fight fair. We don't need spies or corp thieves. Not vs. BoB -- who beat us practically everytime, though we make them pay for it as best we can. And everyone comes to E-O to brag about their victories over us, while failing to mention all the underhanded crap they had to do to achieve it. BoB had to offline our PoS to finally get a foothold in Fountain. We had our corp hangars cleared of most of our standard T1 gear and ammo when we were fighting BoB again in Aridia. And now, Outbreak with their Teamspeak spy.
I'd have the utmost respect for Outbreak if I thought they were beating us fair and square. But for them to call shennanigans on us is an insult.
And I do call exploit on you guys -- your need to have a teamspeak spy, rather than fight us fair and square -- is proof to me that you will likely sink to any level to win.
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Zhaine
B e l l u m
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Posted - 2006.10.06 15:39:00 -
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To be honest this needs and official answer/clarification asap. From how it looks atm: Shame on RISE, doesn't look like they're long for this universe.
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dgfhdfg
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Posted - 2006.10.06 15:40:00 -
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Edited by: dgfhdfg on 06/10/2006 15:40:39
LOL If you can`t win in game, just pettition about that. Who know, maybe one of GM have alt character in your corp.
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The Dokter
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.06 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Kraven Kor
My only post here is going to simply state that I am tired of fighting a group that needs to cheat, lie, steal, or infiltrate their enemies to win. I know the EVE community thinks thats all super cool and stuff, but SG has been more than willing to engage Outbreak only to have them relay our every word from whoever their spy is. No matter how much we tighten security, no matter how much we keep to command chatter, it doesn't matter.
Sturmgrenadier is above that. We fight fair. We don't need spies or corp thieves. Not vs. BoB -- who beat us practically everytime, though we make them pay for it as best we can. And everyone comes to E-O to brag about their victories over us, while failing to mention all the underhanded crap they had to do to achieve it. BoB had to offline our PoS to finally get a foothold in Fountain. We had our corp hangars cleared of most of our standard T1 gear and ammo when we were fighting BoB again in Aridia. And now, Outbreak with their Teamspeak spy.
I'd have the utmost respect for Outbreak if I thought they were beating us fair and square. But for them to call shennanigans on us is an insult.
And I do call exploit on you guys -- your need to have a teamspeak spy, rather than fight us fair and square -- is proof to me that you will likely sink to any level to win.
Did we blow up your ship one to many times 
O and you can always petition us, maybe this time you can even get a free shuttle, you know where the button is 
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moroti
Yakuza Corp
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Posted - 2006.10.06 15:47:00 -
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You petition instead of fighting and they're the ones playing underhand?! 
I really don't understand where the exploit is in all of this. I understood that the station was sov protected only when its holding corp was a member of the entity with sov. Not that by holding sov on a system you stop anyone else from shooting it.
Pathetic, I'm ashamed to have ever been a part of your alliance :(
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SwindonBadger
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.06 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Kraven Kor
My only post here is going to simply state that I am tired of fighting a group that needs to cheat, lie, steal, or infiltrate their enemies to win. I know the EVE community thinks thats all super cool and stuff, but SG has been more than willing to engage Outbreak only to have them relay our every word from whoever their spy is. No matter how much we tighten security, no matter how much we keep to command chatter, it doesn't matter.
Sturmgrenadier is above that. We fight fair. We don't need spies or corp thieves. Not vs. BoB -- who beat us practically everytime, though we make them pay for it as best we can. And everyone comes to E-O to brag about their victories over us, while failing to mention all the underhanded crap they had to do to achieve it. BoB had to offline our PoS to finally get a foothold in Fountain. We had our corp hangars cleared of most of our standard T1 gear and ammo when we were fighting BoB again in Aridia. And now, Outbreak with their Teamspeak spy.
so tell me did u do a log on trap last night,
did you? ......... u say "bring it" alot dont u
I'd have the utmost respect for Outbreak if I thought they were beating us fair and square. But for them to call shennanigans on us is an insult.
And I do call exploit on you guys -- your need to have a teamspeak spy, rather than fight us fair and square -- is proof to me that you will likely sink to any level to win.
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vache
Resurrection
R i s e
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Posted - 2006.10.06 15:52:00 -
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Edited by: vache on 06/10/2006 15:53:06
Here are the facts that have occured:
The corp that held the station for RISE was leaving the alliance to go elsewhere. When they left the alliance officially, they were still the station managers because if they were automaticllay removed and no one installed the station would have no manager, therefore the station could not be conquered by game mechanics because you need someone to take it from.
Now this is where the bug comes in. Outbreak fired upon the station before RISE did and somehow claimed it. The reason RISE did not rush to fire first was becasue, according to game mechanics, no entity other than the alliance holding sovereignty of the system (if sovereignty has been established) may fire upon and conquer the station.
Upon realising that a corp had taken the station that was not under the umbrella of sovereignty that RISE has in the system, it was petitioned to get it changed back into Rise hands since it was an exploit of a game bug.
For a corp that says they want nothing to do with alliance warfare / POS warfare, ye sure are doing alot of complaining.
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REZ - Director of Operations.
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Kraven Kor
Sturmgrenadier Inc
R i s e
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Posted - 2006.10.06 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: moroti
You petition instead of fighting and they're the ones playing underhand?!
I really don't understand where the exploit is in all of this. I understood that the station was sov protected only when its holding corp was a member of the entity with sov. Not that by holding sov on a system you stop anyone else from shooting it.
Pathetic, I'm ashamed to have ever been a part of your alliance :(
Actually, ONE of our guys petitioned and half of us are as disgusted about it as you are. Until a GM / Dev responds here, we are just flinging poo at each other (which you guys seem to be much better at.)
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Castor IV
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.06 15:58:00 -
[73]
Originally by: vache
Edited by: vache on 06/10/2006 15:53:06
Here are the facts that have occured:
The corp that held the station for RISE was leaving the alliance to go elsewhere. When they left the alliance officially, they were still the station managers because if they were automaticllay removed and no one installed the station would have no manager, therefore the station could not be conquered by game mechanics because you need someone to take it from.
Now this is where the bug comes in. Outbreak fired upon the station before RISE did and somehow claimed it. The reason RISE did not rush to fire first was becasue, according to game mechanics, no entity other than the alliance holding sovereignty of the system (if sovereignty has been established) may fire upon and conquer the station.
Upon realising that a corp had taken the station that was not under the umbrella of sovereignty that RISE has in the system, it was petitioned to get it changed back into Rise hands since it was an exploit of a game bug.
For a corp that says they want nothing to do with alliance warfare / POS warfare, ye sure are doing alot of complaining.
**Edit for spelling
Now I can understand why you petiotion since it would seem to me from your post you dont no **** how the station/system/sov mechanics work.
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Shadar Ishaan
Caldari
Gang of Four
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Posted - 2006.10.06 15:59:00 -
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Both sides need to shut up. You're making yourselfs look really bad. Sort it out in game with guns, not on the forum with finger pointing.
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HuDDy
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.06 16:02:00 -
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I'd have the utmost respect for Outbreak if I thought they were beating us fair and square. But for them to call shennanigans on us is an insult.
Sounds like Toxin are givin u lads a good kickin in fleet fights and your clutchin at straws tbh perhaps there just better at fleet fightin??
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Murukan
Minmatar
The Priory
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Posted - 2006.10.06 16:09:00 -
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Lol that so sucks man. Rise show themselves to be so useless they can't take a station back from one corp who had a gang of 30 so they need to petition it.
Seriously instead of petitioning to get the station back you should of just disbanded because it's clear any alliance worth more than utter tosh will steam roll you
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SwindonBadger
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.06 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Shadar Ishaan
Both sides need to shut up. You're making yourselfs look really bad. Sort it out in game with guns, not on the forum with finger pointing.
right....... u know u dont ever make a poast here again,
if u understood how much bollax we gone though trying to get a fight! and this whloe pettion thing we are facing was to stop us using guns ud understand a bit ok mmmm
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Randay
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.06 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: Reddari
Now just be nice before I start to make life for the BOB devs (yes you have some) harder by exposing their player characters.
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MacDuncan
Minmatar
Unknown Society
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Posted - 2006.10.06 16:15:00 -
[79]
Originally by: vache
Edited by: vache on 06/10/2006 15:53:06
Now this is where the bug comes in. Outbreak fired upon the station before RISE did and somehow claimed it. The reason RISE did not rush to fire first was becasue, according to game mechanics, no entity other than the alliance holding sovereignty of the system (if sovereignty has been established) may fire upon and conquer the station.
Upon realising that a corp had taken the station that was not under the umbrella of sovereignty that RISE has in the system, it was petitioned to get it changed back into Rise hands since it was an exploit of a game bug.
This is simply NOT the way of the CURRENT (at least 'til todays DT!!!) sovereignity....you are simply wrong, sry to say...
Because, as it was was told already SEVERAL times:
Station holder was not RISE anymore therefore they were not having sov. and THERFORE ANYONE could capture this station...as long as RISE doesn't own the station, no sov. claim could prevent anyone from targeting it...
Shame actually on you and your ally for denying current mechanics as long as it suits you!
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Das Yad
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.06 16:19:00 -
[80]
Originally by: vache
Edited by: vache on 06/10/2006 15:53:06
1) Now this is where the bug comes in. Outbreak fired upon the station before RISE did and somehow claimed it. The reason RISE did not rush to fire first was becasue, according to game mechanics, no entity other than the alliance holding sovereignty of the system (if sovereignty has been established) may fire upon and conquer the station.
2) For a corp that says they want nothing to do with alliance warfare / POS warfare, ye sure are doing alot of complaining.
1) There was actually a rise gang shooting the station when we got to it the shields was at approx 80-90% when we started shooting it.
2) Innerdrive said to bring the fights rather than camping chokepoints and kill haulers.
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Shadar Ishaan
Caldari
Gang of Four
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Posted - 2006.10.06 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: SwindonBadger
Originally by: Shadar Ishaan
Both sides need to shut up. You're making yourselfs look really bad. Sort it out in game with guns, not on the forum with finger pointing.
right....... u know u dont ever make a poast here again,
if u understood how much bollax we gone though trying to get a fight! and this whloe pettion thing we are facing was to stop us using guns ud understand a bit ok mmmm
I know exactly how much BS, swin. Both sides aren't doing themselves any favors by flaming this thread.
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Burzhuj
REUNI0N
Red Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.06 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: vache
Edited by: vache on 06/10/2006 15:53:06
Here are the facts that have occured:
The corp that held the station for RISE was leaving the alliance to go elsewhere. When they left the alliance officially, they were still the station managers because if they were automaticllay removed and no one installed the station would have no manager, therefore the station could not be conquered by game mechanics because you need someone to take it from.
Now this is where the bug comes in. Outbreak fired upon the station before RISE did and somehow claimed it. The reason RISE did not rush to fire first was becasue, according to game mechanics, no entity other than the alliance holding sovereignty of the system (if sovereignty has been established) may fire upon and conquer the station.
Soo... You wanna say that when my alliance take stations from our enemy, non-alliance member in our gang can`t fired on station? It exploit? And before that, when coalition LV/V/KOS/CHIMP gang taking our station they are exploiting too?
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Das Yad
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.06 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Shadar Ishaan
Originally by: SwindonBadger
Originally by: Shadar Ishaan
Both sides need to shut up. You're making yourselfs look really bad. Sort it out in game with guns, not on the forum with finger pointing.
right....... u know u dont ever make a poast here again,
if u understood how much bollax we gone though trying to get a fight! and this whloe pettion thing we are facing was to stop us using guns ud understand a bit ok mmmm
I know exactly how much BS, swin. Both sides aren't doing themselves any favors by flaming this thread.
currently popcorn & f5 is providing my entertainment
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Nicocat
Caldari
New Age Solutions
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Posted - 2006.10.06 16:32:00 -
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And now, RISE have lost the war with XZH falling under -Y- control, from what I understand. Shouldn't be any more worries about a RISE station now, eh?
*gets his popcorn and a cloak to watch the murder-while-pulling-out shenanigans*
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xenorx
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.06 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Shadar Ishaan
Both sides need to shut up. You're making yourselfs look really bad. Sort it out in game with guns, not on the forum with finger pointing.
Shadar, don't you realize that is all we wanted in the first place? Kinda hard to do when external forces continue to shelter your targets.
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HowlerVonGrowler
Caldari
Neogen Industries
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Posted - 2006.10.06 16:40:00 -
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Edited by: HowlerVonGrowler on 06/10/2006 16:42:47
Edited by: HowlerVonGrowler on 06/10/2006 16:41:05
Originally by: Das Yad
currently popcorn & f5 is providing my entertainment
QFT friday afternoons entertainment in work FTW!
While I have no love for outbreak, (they have blown up enough stuff of mine when I am running the pipe to empire). I feel they have been hard done by in this situation. I don't know what should have been done with the station, but deffinatley it shouldnt have been handed back to RISE by a GM. Guns should have resolved the situation.
These opinions do not represent the opinion or standing of my corp/alliance they are my own.
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sakana
Purgatorial Janitors Inc.
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2006.10.06 16:47:00 -
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thats pretty lame of CCP tbh 
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Lucretia De'Way
Amarr
Space Law
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Posted - 2006.10.06 17:31:00 -
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OMG have you ever seen such massive whining from any corp that matches Outbreak?
I mean they are just amazingly whining, they can fill a whole thread answering and commenting eachother the other whining harder than the first.
Don't you guys have a corp channel or forum or something where you can sit and moan
all day? You are the most tiring corp I've ever come across.
Totally ruining your die-hard-core pvp image in my opinion.
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EnglishBob
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.06 17:46:00 -
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Looks like this thread is well and truely done. Lock pse, Forum-mod types.
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.10.06 17:49:00 -
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Edited by: Nez Perces on 06/10/2006 17:52:25
Originally by: vache
Here are the facts that have occured:
The corp that held the station for RISE was leaving the alliance to go elsewhere. When they left the alliance officially, they were still the station managers because if they were automaticllay removed and no one installed the station would have no manager, therefore the station could not be conquered by game mechanics because you need someone to take it from.
Now this is where the bug comes in. Outbreak fired upon the station before RISE did and somehow claimed it. The reason RISE did not rush to fire first was becasue, according to game mechanics, no entity other than the alliance holding sovereignty of the system (if sovereignty has been established) may fire upon and conquer the station.
Upon realising that a corp had taken the station that was not under the umbrella of sovereignty that RISE has in the system, it was petitioned to get it changed back into Rise hands since it was an exploit of a game bug.
For a corp that says they want nothing to do with alliance warfare / POS warfare, ye sure are doing alot of complaining.
**Edit for spelling
Well after reading this it has suddenly become very very clear what the problem is ...
RISE have no business whatsoever in 0.0 dealing with the awful complexities of station management.
FACTS
1. A corporation does not have to be in an alliance to shoot at a station belonging to another corporation not in an alliance.
2. If a corporation is not in an alliance but owns a station, it matters not who has sovereignty in the system
3. When TOA left RISE without giving the station to a RISE corp, the station no longer belonged to RISE and therefore RISE's sovereignty of the system was no longer part of the equation.
4. Since TOA took the station, it seems that no other RISE corp has shot at that station to gain it for another RISE corp. RISE as if by magic have not had to take the shields down at all. This should never be possible even if Outbreak were not involved in this affair.
Conclusion
RISE must have given false information to the GM, in order for him to come up with such a screwed up decision.
RISE have now joined the hall of shame to become one of the lamest alliances in the game. You are a disgrace.
Outbreak may have got screwed over by a faulty GM decision here, but you RISE, you have guranteed your place in history, "the alliance that never should have been".
RISE is not greater than the sum of its parts, it is less.... you were better off as Norad and FA.
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