EVE Search - Caldari cheat - where's our armor rep gisti equivalent?

Check My IP Information

All Channels

Ships and Modules

Caldari cheat - where's our armor rep gisti equivalent?

» Click here to find additional results for this topic using Google

Monitor this thread via RSS [?]

Pages: 1 2 :: [one page]

Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 0 post(s)
Kruel Blunt Force Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.06 18:47:00 - [1] Edited by: Kruel on 06/10/2006 18:47:55 [Edit, oops hit enter before posting!] So, Gisti small A is about 50% better. Best small named is about hmmm... 20% better? I want my iwin button too! :D
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2006.10.06 18:55:00 - [2] Not everyone has a 500Mil + to blow on a single module.. have you ever flown a 1+Bil T2 ship with 1+ bil fitting not to mention implants, while doing PvP.. that's a rush ok.. cause once you lose it.. well you probably had a bottle of anti-depressants next to your desk did you mention an I-Win button? PS" try fitting 2 shield boosts and watch what happens to your cap... Armor reps x2? easily manageable..
Kruel Blunt Force Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.06 18:59:00 - [3] Hey I got money to burn. If there was a small armor rep that I could run constantly on my Ishkur I'd go for it. Sadly there's no such mod. Devs play as Caldari!
Grimpak Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.06 19:02:00 - [4] you don't balance the game based on faction/officer mods. ------- Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant? Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2006.10.06 19:04:00 - [5] Originally by: Kruel Hey I got money to burn. If there was a small armor rep that I could run constantly on my Ishkur I'd go for it. Sadly there's no such mod. Devs play as Caldari! More like Gallente... dude, just fly your ultra pawnage Domi and quit sulking...
Trigger Sterling Amarr Merch Industrial	Posted - 2006.10.06 19:10:00 - [6] Originally by: Grimpak you don't balance the game based on faction/officer mods. Then balance the mods themselves.
Kruel Blunt Force Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.06 19:11:00 - [7] Originally by: Black Scorpio More like Gallente... dude, just fly your ultra pawnage Domi and quit sulking... Ohhh believe me I will! But until then I've got something to whine about. Just give me a fusking 160hp per cycle small rep at 30 activation cost and I'll shut up.
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2006.10.06 19:14:00 - [8] Dude, you ALSO have medium slots.. the fact that Gallente ships are better at armor tank is faction based. Train Caldari ships if you like them as much, and then I will be seeing you a lot more on the forums complaining about this and that about them..
Ryoka Infinite Opportunities Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.06 19:16:00 - [9] Originally by: Kruel Originally by: Black Scorpio More like Gallente... dude, just fly your ultra pawnage Domi and quit sulking... Ohhh believe me I will! But until then I've got something to whine about. Just give me a fusking 160hp per cycle small rep at 30 activation cost and I'll shut up. give us caldaris low slot scramblers/webbers and we'll stop flaming you too
FFGR Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.10.06 19:17:00 - [10] Hmmm Gistii (Gist items in general) are deadspace Angel drops. So it is Minmatar h4x ! The gistii small shield boosters drop also from the 3/10 Serpentis Complex ! So it is Gallente h4x also ! Tbh many deadspace items don't drop cause they aren't in the loot tables or there aren't any corresponding complexes for the game for them to drop. _____________________________ siggys v. 0.5

Kruel Blunt Force Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.06 19:18:00 - [11] Ok I did the math and assuming Repair Systems skill at lvl5, that's a 4.5/sec small rep cycle. With that in mind, a gisti-a shield boost equivalent for small armor rep would be the following: 29 activation cost 128hp repaired The best we have now is Coreli-A (correct me if I'm wrong) 40 activation cost 104hp repaired Damn $*&^! Caldari! But that's ok, I'll show you Caldari fools once I've got a nos/ecm/stabbed Domi!
Trigger Sterling Amarr Merch Industrial	Posted - 2006.10.06 19:19:00 - [12] Originally by: Black Scorpio Dude, you ALSO have medium slots.. the fact that Gallente ships are better at armor tank is faction based. Train Caldari ships if you like them as much, and then I will be seeing you a lot more on the forums complaining about this and that about them.. Why does this always come up? First, it wasn't really an anti-Caldari whine. Second, if everyone did that, the game would be boring. Third, if they would notice things to complain about, why not bring those things up, instead of telling people to respec their character? I'm so sick of seeing "Just train Caldari then!" as if the answer to perceived race imbalance is to just take advantage of the imbalance, instead of fixing it.
FFGR Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.10.06 19:21:00 - [13] Quote: The best we have now is Coreli-A (correct me if I'm wrong) You are wrong cause they aren't ingame, look at my previous post _____________________________ siggys v. 0.5
Nyxus GALAXIAN Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.10.06 19:21:00 - [14] Forget Gistii, I want an Estemels Energized Adaptive Nano. 50% resist for EM/THERM/EXP/KIN....all in one mod. Yes please! Nyxus Originally by: Tux The thought of a missile spewing armor tanking cool black looking ship makes me happy in the pants
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2006.10.06 19:23:00 - [15] Originally by: Kruel Ok I did the math and assuming Repair Systems skill at lvl5, that's a 4.5/sec small rep cycle. With that in mind, a gisti-a shield boost equivalent for small armor rep would be the following: 29 activation cost 128hp repaired The best we have now is Coreli-A (correct me if I'm wrong) 40 activation cost 104hp repaired Damn $*&^! Caldari! But that's ok, I'll show you Caldari fools once I've got a nos/ecm/stabbed Domi! I'll be walking my Scorpion in your neighbourhood that day
Sorja E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.06 19:25:00 - [16] An Enyo with a small rep II is as efficient as a Harpy with a small Gistii. That's the way it was last time I had duels between those 2 ships and that comes not only from the mod itself but from natural resistances, cap regeneration and whatnot. At least, when using armor repairing, a small rep II is an effective module, while a small shield booster II is utterly useless. Since prices for gistii boosters are out of whack, CCP could remove that (overpowered?) module out of the game and make the small shield booster II worth using. ____________________ Darko1107 > does anything in ascn space have tech II fittings? Quillan Rage > Iron ships
Kruel Blunt Force Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.06 19:39:00 - [17] Originally by: Sorja At least, when using armor repairing, a small rep II is an effective module, while a small shield booster II is utterly useless. Since prices for gistii boosters are out of whack, CCP could remove that (overpowered?) module out of the game and make the small shield booster II worth using. QFT. The stats are the small sb II are pretty sucky compared to the small rep II. Ditch the gisti and make the SBII actually usefull.
ArtemisEntreri Turbulent	Posted - 2006.10.06 19:40:00 - [18] Originally by: Grimpak you don't balance the game based on faction/officer mods. Why not? I'ts available to most people. It can be used in pvp situations.
Guillame Herschel Gallente Cheers Restaurant and Bar Nova Republic	Posted - 2006.10.06 19:44:00 - [19] Originally by: Kruel With that in mind, a gisti-a shield boost equivalent for small armor rep would be the following: 29 activation cost 128hp repaired The best we have now is Coreli-A (correct me if I'm wrong) 40 activation cost 104hp repaired Armor resists can be made a lot higher on T1 armor tank ships, than T1 shield tank ships. Also, I think the resist holes in T2 armor tank ships are smaller than the holes in T2 shield tank ships. So with armor better able to resist damage than shields, it stands to reason that the best armor repairers do not need to repair as many HP as the best shield boosters. -- Guile can always trump hardware --
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2006.10.06 19:49:00 - [20] Originally by: Guillame Herschel Originally by: Kruel With that in mind, a gisti-a shield boost equivalent for small armor rep would be the following: 29 activation cost 128hp repaired The best we have now is Coreli-A (correct me if I'm wrong) 40 activation cost 104hp repaired Armor resists can be made a lot higher on T1 armor tank ships, than T1 shield tank ships. Also, I think the resist holes in T2 armor tank ships are smaller than the holes in T2 shield tank ships. So with armor better able to resist damage than shields, it stands to reason that the best armor repairers do not need to repair as many HP as the best shield boosters. sexactly.. !

Kruel Blunt Force Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.06 19:55:00 - [21] Edited by: Kruel on 06/10/2006 19:55:00 Originally by: Guillame Herschel Armor resists can be made a lot higher on T1 armor tank ships, than T1 shield tank ships. Also, I think the resist holes in T2 armor tank ships are smaller than the holes in T2 shield tank ships. So with armor better able to resist damage than shields, it stands to reason that the best armor repairers do not need to repair as many HP as the best shield boosters. That may be true for the larger ships, but how many assault frigs and intys actually use mods to boost their resists? As an example, my Ishkur has 3 lows: (1) small repII, (2) micro aux, (3) magstabII.
Jacob Holland Gallente FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.06 20:40:00 - [22] Core X-Type (or A-Type for frigates). Pretty much the exact equivalent of the Gist (including being a Deadspace module).
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:08:00 - [23] Yes but there's a tiny, negligible problem: No Core-* reppers drop apart from BS items. And Corpum/Centum (Pith equivalents) only drop for cruisers and up. Even normal pirate faction reppers (true sansha) are extremely rare for everything below BS. For people who dont fly BSes, this is a little irritating, as there is a widely available small shield booster that has better HP/sec than medium rep II for less cap about 1/10th of the fittings. And then you can use a boost amp on top of it. CCP have mentioned once or twice that they would "fix" this like they said they would "fix" 800mm rolled tungsten drops for example (TomB even shouted at me to remove the whine from my sig)... my diagnosis is that obviously the entire loot engine is broken, and they should just chuck it in the empty bree can skip outside of the CCP office and start over =p ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
Complacency's Bane Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:18:00 - [24] Originally by: Sorja At least, when using armor repairing, a small rep II is an effective module, while a small shield booster II is utterly useless. Yes, a small armor rep II > small shield booster II in HP/s and cap/HP. Since frigates tend to need midslot tackling equipment, lowslots are generally more free for resistance mods as well.
Noriath	Posted - 2006.10.06 21:48:00 - [25] I also like the disparity between pirate implants that boost shield and pirate implants that boost armor... I mean yea, a little bit of HP is nice and all, but drastically increased boost amount, well, let's just say shield tankers definatly have the upper hand when it comes to their ability to blow ****loads of money on a nearly impossible to beat setup...
Borasao	Posted - 2006.10.06 23:56:00 - [26] Originally by: Grimpak you don't balance the game based on faction/officer mods. Nope... but you can sure break a game with items.
xlop Gallente	Posted - 2006.10.07 00:18:00 - [27] Originally by: Grimpak you don't balance the game based on faction/officer mods. eh? he was asking for some resemblance of balance between faction mods, which is definitely not as important as say balance of t2 weapons but it is still something that should be done!! you think its ok that a pilot can fit 50% invols and 45% amps and insane PDU and get a tank many many times that of any armor tank? oh and dont bring price into this at all, they can rat for the mods and have it gained for free! and they have the OPTION of buying the mods no matter the price where armor tankers do not! personally i say just nerf the gistii stuff down to the armor stuff level, and nerf the invols over 37.5% down to 37.5%. if need be nerf the current 37.5% ones to a lower grade! also turn crystal imp into a shield HP bonous not booster bonous! -- Imperial College London FTW --
Silver Lady Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2006.10.07 00:36:00 - [28] Originally by: Grimpak you don't balance the game based on faction/officer mods. Yes, its obvious balance was the very last thing that was on ccp's mind when they added Gist shield boosters.
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2006.10.07 01:57:00 - [29] with a price tag over a billion how many honestly have Gist
Zooish	Posted - 2006.10.07 02:02:00 - [30] Stop moaning ... armour tankers have a 25% Cap Mod, Shield Tankers have a -10% Shield recharge or a 20% mod. CCP did a good job at balancing the game, the moaners are recking it .. nerf, nerf, nerf, nerf

keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.07 02:20:00 - [31] I dont want anything nerfed, I just want frig/cruiser Core-A stuff to start dropping in decent quantities =p ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
Nebuli Caldari Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.10.07 02:28:00 - [32] Originally by: Zooish Stop moaning ... armour tankers have a 25% Cap Mod, Shield Tankers have a -10% Shield recharge or a 20% mod. CCP did a good job at balancing the game, the moaners are recking it .. nerf, nerf, nerf, nerf Think you should learn to read, he never asked for a nerf to anything. Do some people have copy/paste replys just saying "people flaming here suck" and "stop asking for nerfs" even when no one has done either? CEO - Art of War
Scoundrelus Unseen Jihad	Posted - 2006.10.07 03:03:00 - [33] Who uses Gist Small A anyway? Expensive module on a papership? =============================================== We are Watching You.
Nebuli Caldari Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.10.07 03:06:00 - [34] Originally by: Scoundrelus Who uses Gist Small A anyway? Expensive module on a papership? Doesnt realy matter wether people do or dont, they have the "option" to if they wish And btw some people do. CEO - Art of War
MaidMarion	Posted - 2006.10.07 03:09:00 - [35] Originally by: Black Scorpio Not everyone has a 500Mil + to blow on a single module.. have you ever flown a 1+Bil T2 ship with 1+ bil fitting not to mention implants, while doing PvP.. that's a rush ok.. cause once you lose it.. well you probably had a bottle of anti-depressants next to your desk did you mention an I-Win button? PS" try fitting 2 shield boosts and watch what happens to your cap... Armor reps x2? easily manageable.. Cerb can easily run 2x gistii small + 2 active hardeners, and thats full duty, not cycling them. For pvp id prefer the gistii large + cap injection tho.
Cosmo Raata Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2006.10.07 03:17:00 - [36] I'm still waiting on our power cap relay 2's....
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.07 04:02:00 - [37] Originally by: Black Scorpio PS" try fitting 2 shield boosts and watch what happens to your cap... Armor reps x2? easily manageable.. Small gist A-types have the hp/sec of a medium with a cap draw low enough they can be run full-duty relatively easily on t1 frigates. Lets compare, shall we? Coreli A-Type Small AR: 23.1 hp/sec, 8.8 cap/sec, 7MW, 4tf Medium Armor Repairer II: 35.5hp/sec, 17.7 cap/sec, 173MW, 28tf Gistii A-Type Small SB: 28.5hp/sec, 5.85 cap/sec, 2MW, 21tf Medium Shield Booster II: 30 hp/sec, 18 cap/sec, 13MW, 58tf ... See where thats going? T2 Armor reppers and shield boosters actually ahve virtually identical cap draw w. full skills. Your armor rep has better hp/sec, and is considerably harder to fit. However, if you look at the best of the "cap-efficient" deadspace modules (gistii and coreli), not only does the shield booster have a much lower cap draw and much higher hp/sec, its also much easier to fit in both PG and tf, while the armor rep uses a whole 2tf less, and uses MORE MW. And on top of that, the bloody thing doesent even drop. Ever. I could live with the worse cap use and hp/sec and the fitting, because as everyone rightly points out mids are far more valuable than lows on frigs... if I only had the option of using the bloody modules =p ... But now lets examine the situation on HACs/Commands: Take your typical Dual rep or Booster + Amp tank: 2x Medium Armor Repairer II: 71.1 hp/sec, 35.5 cap/sec, 346MW, 56tf 2x Corelum A-Type Medium AR: 92.4 hp/sec, 35.5 cap/sec, 390MW, 46tf Large Shield Booster II + Amp: 78 hp/sec, 36 cap/sec, 166MW, 165tf Gist A-Type Large SB + Amp: 99.5 hp/sec, 27.5 cap/sec, 151MW, 135tf uuuhhhhhh... so, 2 reps which dont even drop give me less wose hp/sec, and much worse cap/sec than a shield booster with a TECH 1 AMP.. and on top of that theyre harder to fit wher it hurts (powergrid), while the shield booster uses like 35% less cpu AND less grid? Okay, like whatever. Not a problem, armor tanking has other advantages (free mids again)... but thats all smoke and no roast if the bloody things dont even drop =p I'll say it again: I dont want gist stuff nerfed. I just want an equal playing field for us nutters who like to fly with pimp setups worth many times what the hull is worth, and happen to be suckers who fly armor-tanked frigs and cruisers. Yes, we like to pimp our ships. Yes, we're arguably nuts. But we still want our shineys so we can compete with shield-tanking missile ****s! =P ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.07 09:56:00 - [38] I shield tank my mission runner eos. Enough said. --------------------- Looking for frentix? Mail me.
MaidMarion	Posted - 2006.10.07 12:34:00 - [39] Originally by: keepiru Originally by: Black Scorpio PS" try fitting 2 shield boosts and watch what happens to your cap... Armor reps x2? easily manageable.. Small gist A-types have the hp/sec of a medium with a cap draw low enough they can be run full-duty relatively easily on t1 frigates. Lets compare, shall we? Coreli A-Type Small AR: 23.1 hp/sec, 8.8 cap/sec, 7MW, 4tf Medium Armor Repairer II: 35.5hp/sec, 17.7 cap/sec, 173MW, 28tf Gistii A-Type Small SB: 28.5hp/sec, 5.85 cap/sec, 2MW, 21tf Medium Shield Booster II: 30 hp/sec, 18 cap/sec, 13MW, 58tf ... See where thats going? T2 Armor reppers and shield boosters actually ahve virtually identical cap draw w. full skills. Your armor rep has better hp/sec, and is considerably harder to fit. However, if you look at the best of the "cap-efficient" deadspace modules (gistii and coreli), not only does the shield booster have a much lower cap draw and much higher hp/sec, its also much easier to fit in both PG and tf, while the armor rep uses a whole 2tf less, and uses MORE MW. And on top of that, the bloody thing doesent even drop. Ever. I could live with the worse cap use and hp/sec and the fitting, because as everyone rightly points out mids are far more valuable than lows on frigs... if I only had the option of using the bloody modules =p ... But now lets examine the situation on HACs/Commands: Take your typical Dual rep or Booster + Amp tank: 2x Medium Armor Repairer II: 71.1 hp/sec, 35.5 cap/sec, 346MW, 56tf 2x Corelum A-Type Medium AR: 92.4 hp/sec, 35.5 cap/sec, 390MW, 46tf Large Shield Booster II + Amp: 78 hp/sec, 36 cap/sec, 166MW, 165tf Gist A-Type Large SB + Amp: 99.5 hp/sec, 27.5 cap/sec, 151MW, 135tf uuuhhhhhh... so, 2 reps which dont even drop give me less wose hp/sec, and much worse cap/sec than a shield booster with a TECH 1 AMP.. and on top of that theyre harder to fit wher it hurts (powergrid), while the shield booster uses like 35% less cpu AND less grid? Okay, like whatever. Not a problem, armor tanking has other advantages (free mids again)... but thats all smoke and no roast if the bloody things dont even drop =p I'll say it again: I dont want gist stuff nerfed. I just want an equal playing field for us nutters who like to fly with pimp setups worth many times what the hull is worth, and happen to be suckers who fly armor-tanked frigs and cruisers. Yes, we like to pimp our ships. Yes, we're arguably nuts. But we still want our shineys so we can compete with shield-tanking missile ****s! =P In the HAC part you skipped the 2xgist sm + boost amp setup, while its less hp/s restored, its much easier to fit cpu wise: 2x Gistii A small + copasetic boost amp - 74.1 shield / sec, 12.22 cap / sec 82 CPU / 5 MW
JoCool Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.10.07 12:41:00 - [40] Originally by: Kruel Damn $*&^! Caldari! But that's ok, I'll show you Caldari fools once I've got a nos/ecm/stabbed Domi! You know, I hate you for this one. Seriously. It's sad, that shows how non existant balance is in some parts of the game. Hell. Even Jesus Christ would have flown the Dominix. _______________________________________________________________________ Trey Azagthoth > Youre my idol Jocool. I wanna be like Jocool jr. or Jocool the sequel! Oveur > ohnoes jocool

keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.07 13:44:00 - [41] Originally by: LUKEC I shield tank my mission runner eos. Enough said. Aye, quite anough ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
Kruel Blunt Force Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.07 17:57:00 - [42] Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker with a price tag over a billion how many honestly have Gist My two corpmates who fly a Harpy and a Hawk both have one... and they don't cost over a billion, they're only like 100mil or so. My only real problem with them is that you can run them forever without the need for nos/cap rechargers/cap boosters. Basically they can sit there and tank my Ishkur's tech2 drones + blasters constantly. Granted they get a bonus to thermal which gimps my blasters, but still... I'm outputting damn near 200dps and it can be easily tanked with a single gisti-a.
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.07 18:06:00 - [43] The BS ones cost 1BN+ but... 1BN aint that hard to make in this game, when you have 20-30m+ sp and some free time. Most of the people who I still know from when I started have at least 1 faction/navy BS with a multi-billion fitting... ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!


Pages: 1 2 :: [one page]

COPYRIGHT NOTICE
EVE Online, the EVE logo, EVE and all associated logos and designs are the intellectual property of CCP hf. All artwork, screenshots, characters, vehicles, storylines, world facts or other recognizable features of the intellectual property relating to these trademarks are likewise the intellectual property of CCP hf. EVE Online and the EVE logo are the registered trademarks of CCP hf. All rights are reserved worldwide. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. CCP hf. has granted permission to EVE-Search.com to use EVE Online and all associated logos and designs for promotional and information purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not in any way affiliated with, EVE-Search.com. CCP is in no way responsible for the content on or functioning of this website, nor can it be liable for any damage arising from the use of this website.