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Grez
Minmatar
The Raven Warriors
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Posted - 2006.10.12 23:38:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: necronarcosis
Originally by: Grez
Edited by: Grez on 09/10/2006 21:48:57
The issue was server side and it was fixed a few patches ago. The last CTD's are normaly because of incorrectly setup systems, or a non-supported OS. Clear your cache, install all the Windows XP updates, and disable ingame sound.
why should anyone have to diable sound?
this is a stock reply to most problems. many games dont suffer with problems due to sound why should this one?
Because a lot of people have creative cards.
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Cache Clearer
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Rhaven
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Posted - 2006.10.12 23:38:00 -
[32]
the other main factor that I have seen in alot of these systems is the Gforce graphics cards. I have a athlon 4400+ x2 2 gig cossair mem and a ati radion x800 PCI-E graphics running an onboard sound card and yes I have my sound disabled in eve because I talk on coms and have other things going on on my computer with 2 clients running browsing the inet ect. and I dont have any problems with eve the onlyt time I Had was because of a sb audigy 2 sound card that once it was taken out and drivers uninstalled no problems.
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Jeretomi
Azure Horizon
Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2006.10.13 08:08:00 -
[33]
Edited by: Jeretomi on 13/10/2006 08:10:16
Edited by: Jeretomi on 13/10/2006 08:09:09
Originally by: Grez
Because a lot of people have creative cards.
Oh please Grez, you're beginning to sound like a stuck record  How many of us need to tell you that this particular problem has nothing to do with our sound cards, before you'll admit that this time, just maybe, you might be wrong...have a bit of humility mate We have all tried disabling sound in game, within Windows and within the bios....this time it is not making a blind bit of difference. Listen, we do appreciate people coming on here trying to help, but to be told over and over again to clear our cache and disable sound and it will all magically go away is becoming tiresome. Also, please don't assume that we know nothing about troubleshootung our PCs, because that is also becoming tiresome. Have a look at the threads, see what's been said and tried, and see if you can find something new that we may have all missed...work with us, not against us.
The bottom line is that something CCP introduced in the last patch has made EVE completely unplayable for a smallish, but growing, number of us. Yes, it may be something horrible in low-level code that interacts with CPU/graphics/sound subsystems, but it's something they have introduced. It's not something we have done to our PCs, because our systems were running EVE just fine before the last patch. As paying customers we are therefore justified in coming on here and asking for some response from CCP...this is the only "forum" we have.
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Nicole Geneve
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.13 09:34:00 -
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Right im not going to waste my time putting rig specs in here, we all know that EVE the AMD 64 bit Dual Core CPUs had issues, and thankfully they were fixed. Hussahhh
After being fully patched up and antivirused up and all that other admin stuff for many months, in the past few days to my surprise - i too have had CTD issues, and OS lockups where the game is frozen, and background apps (like Teamspeak) all work ok.. time to hit reset button as nothing else works 
Situation is this - theres probably been new code released which has issues... AMD dual cores are sensitive to the RAM and buffering (even when NOT overclocked)... so the problem stems from lag and memory... ie - memory leak / continually dropped packets... 
please please provide native dual core support, theres only so many plasters you can apply to 'old' coding...
Bring on Kali I.
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Grez
Minmatar
The Raven Warriors
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Posted - 2006.10.13 11:25:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Jeretomi
Edited by: Jeretomi on 13/10/2006 08:10:16
Edited by: Jeretomi on 13/10/2006 08:09:09
Originally by: Grez
Because a lot of people have creative cards.
Oh please Grez, you're beginning to sound like a stuck record How many of us need to tell you that this particular problem has nothing to do with our sound cards, before you'll admit that this time, just maybe, you might be wrong...have a bit of humility mate We have all tried disabling sound in game, within Windows and within the bios....this time it is not making a blind bit of difference. Listen, we do appreciate people coming on here trying to help, but to be told over and over again to clear our cache and disable sound and it will all magically go away is becoming tiresome. Also, please don't assume that we know nothing about troubleshootung our PCs, because that is also becoming tiresome. Have a look at the threads, see what's been said and tried, and see if you can find something new that we may have all missed...work with us, not against us.
The bottom line is that something CCP introduced in the last patch has made EVE completely unplayable for a smallish, but growing, number of us. Yes, it may be something horrible in low-level code that interacts with CPU/graphics/sound subsystems, but it's something they have introduced. It's not something we have done to our PCs, because our systems were running EVE just fine before the last patch. As paying customers we are therefore justified in coming on here and asking for some response from CCP...this is the only "forum" we have.
Do you not listen, I was explaining why I told you to disable sound, jesus, read for once, would you? Maybe YOU have tried disabling sound, but new posters to the thread might not have, hence my reason for posting it.
I myself have two dual core systems and they work perfectly with EVE, try messing with your afinity and memory settings. And like I've said plenty of times, CCP don't post here, this is for workarounds fromt he community - demanding a reply will get you no-where. Post them a bug report with crash logs, and then sit and wait, like everyone else.
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FurbySlayer
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Posted - 2006.10.16 05:06:00 -
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yes grez, your advice for a "fix" is the number 1 BS response for any type of problem in the game, sound and cache will come up in nearly any problem thread. i think we can say it isnt the only possible cause..
throttling back our video cards..
so you're saying that its possible all 3 of my PCI-E video cards (2 nvidia 1 ati). may be the issue? and all the people who state this is the only game they have issue with need to adjust hardware that is working correctly elsewhere? of all the games i play this is the only one i have issues with.
and since your not having these issues how can you be offering advice? and arguing that your idea is the cause of soo many . try not adding your disable sound clear cashe two cents to each thread you happen accross perhaps?
as to my theory about newer chipsets:
most people using the dual core a64's will be using the most popular chipset being nforce 4 based. of my 3 computers 2 are nforce 4, 1 is nforce 2. and it doesnt matter which processor i use, my dual core or single core a64, they are unstable. while my nforce2 based board being older is still stable. and if you read people's system stats, no matter what manufacturer, most of the boards are nforce 4 based. so im begining to think it might also be an incompatibility with these chipsets, or the drivers.
while not everyone using these chipsets are all experiencing the same problem until someone with data on these crashes can compile and research this data and find the trends that lead to this issue, we may never know what is the cause. since ccp undoubtedly recieves the most information on the crashes of its own game using its own logging tools and the games crash file we kinda have to rely upon them to sort it out.
it may very well turn out to be a driver issue, hardware incompatability, or software issue. but until someone figures this out..............
my systems:
system 1 (unstable) a64 x2 3800+, asus a8n-sli deluxe, 2x evga 7900gt, 2x 512 cruicial balistix pc4000 ( at 400mhz), audigy 2 zs, 200 gig seagate sata, windows xp sp2
system 2 (unstable) a64 3200+, asus a8n-e, asus eax 800xl, 2x512 kingston pc3200, onboard sound, 200 gig seagate sata, windows xp sp2
system 3 (stable) athlon xp 3000+ (400mhz fsb), asus a7n8x-e, sapphire radeon 9800pro,
512 corsair pc3200, onboard sound, 40gb hitachi ide HD, windows xp sp2
i have memtested all the ram, swapped video cards tried 4 different power supplies, relaxed memory timings, boosted memory voltage, adjusted countless bios settings.
in all these system and mix of any of the parts possible i have tried many builds in attempts to find a hardware problem, ive tried with no sound (including no sound device installed on the pc) so we can say that is bunk.
like i said i think from a little experience and many hours of troubleshooting that ive personally tried. i can discount the whole sound/cache issue as a possible cause of my CTD issues.
today ive once again sent 3 CTD dump files in bug reports.. of course with their disclaimer that no further contact will occur on these reports we have no clue as to whether or not they will even read them.
they have made only 1 real reference about the existence of this problem, asking for bug reports.. and that was a few builds ago. so now we wait for some official word from CCP. and now we wait some more..
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l3VGV
Rage and Terror
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Posted - 2006.10.16 05:42:00 -
[37]
i never have ctd. my system:
amd 3800+ x2 cpu
msi k8n ne4 mainboard
ati 1900xtx gpu
4Gb of memory
creative x-fi xtreme-music sound card(THAT is tha problem. *****-*****-*****)
fsp 550W ppu
if u have ctd then check ur memory, some module can be broken, even brand name. dual chanel also can cause many problems. if u have overclocked ur system then just pray  . i can say only one, there is NO problem whith dual core and eve client.
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Jeretomi
Azure Horizon
Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2006.10.16 08:16:00 -
[38]
Thanks for pitching in FurbySlayer....I was almost losing the will to live Interesting finds regarding the fact that it may be the chipset rather than the dual core cpu that may be the culprit. However, there are several people complaining about Intel dual core based systems also. And strangely many people are running dual core systems without issues 
Thanks for the input l3VGV....I think you must be one of the lucky majority with a dual-core system that is working. I think most of us have looked at our RAM. I for one bought a new 1GB stick and removed my two 512MB sticks that I was runnning in dual-channel mode, and it made no difference at all. Also, if you have bad memory surely you would notice other games and apps failing as well, and at worse the PC would fail to boot. Most people have stated that it's only EVE that is having problems. And if FurbySlayer is correct and that it's a chipset issue then its a fact that not all motherboards are made equal. Chips are made in batches and motherboard manufacturers will change the revisions of chips and PCBs they use like they change their socks. I have the Platinum edition of the Neo4 and the same CPU as you, yet I get constant CTD and you can run EVE just fine.
As FurbySlayer says, I guess we can only do our bit by throwing in the crash dumps and logs in the hope that CCP find a generic problem that gets fixed with Kali.
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OneSock
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Posted - 2006.10.16 14:32:00 -
[39]
Interesting:
My Core2 Duo system uses NVIDIA« nForce4 SLI Intel« Edition
I wonder if it's SLI boards with nForce4 chipset ?
Does l3VGV have an SLI board ?
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OneSock
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Posted - 2006.10.16 14:37:00 -
[40]
Originally by: FurbySlayer
while not everyone using these chipsets are all experiencing the same problem until someone with data on these crashes can compile and research this data and find the trends that lead to this issue, we may never know what is the cause. since ccp undoubtedly recieves the most information on the crashes of its own game using its own logging tools and the games crash file we kinda have to rely upon them to sort it out.
it may very well turn out to be a driver issue, hardware incompatability, or software issue. but until someone figures this out..............
QFT as they say. CCP are best placed to collate and analyse the info on this problem. At the least they could collect the info and say "There is no apparent pattern".
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l3VGV
Rage and Terror
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Posted - 2006.10.16 15:12:00 -
[41]
Edited by: l3VGV on 16/10/2006 15:12:58
Originally by: OneSock
Interesting:
My Core2 Duo system uses NVIDIA« nForce4 SLI Intel« Edition
I wonder if it's SLI boards with nForce4 chipset ?
Does l3VGV have an SLI board ?
no my board is not SLI. if there msi neo have troubles i dont kno what to think
in my corp not only me using x2, and there all fine
if u ready to lose warenty then upgrade bios(litle chance it will fix some rare bug)
my drivers ar 6.09 for video and 6.86_nforce_win2kxp_international_whql for mainboard. dx version is 9.0c August 2006. hope it will help.
also to test ur dual core drivers u can run that program:
Linkage
it must show 'ur system is perfect', otherway u have trubles with core syncronization(drivers is needed to fix it).
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Jeretomi
Azure Horizon
Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2006.10.16 15:33:00 -
[42]
That's some useful info l3VGV, and thanks for the link. I'll take a look at that this evening.
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OneSock
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Posted - 2006.10.16 19:23:00 -
[43]
Originally by: l3VGV
Edited by: l3VGV on 16/10/2006 15:12:58
no my board is not SLI. if there msi neo have troubles i dont kno what to think
in my corp not only me using x2, and there all fine
Can you be specific about your board type. Msi K8N Neo is an nForce 3 not Nforce 4. K8n Neo4 is nforce 4 SLI. So maybe your board is nforce 3 and the culprit is the nforce4 chipset ?
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l3VGV
Rage and Terror
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Posted - 2006.10.16 20:15:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Jeretomi
Edited by: Jeretomi on 16/10/2006 16:56:03
That's some useful info l3VGV, and thanks for the link. I'll take a look at that this evening.
EDIT: Well, ran the little test app, and "Your computer is perfect" was the response...still getting CTD 
now we can search in new direction...
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l3VGV
Rage and Terror
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Posted - 2006.10.16 20:15:00 -
[45]
Originally by: OneSock
Originally by: l3VGV
Edited by: l3VGV on 16/10/2006 15:12:58
no my board is not SLI. if there msi neo have troubles i dont kno what to think
in my corp not only me using x2, and there all fine
Can you be specific about your board type. Msi K8N Neo is an nForce 3 not Nforce 4. K8n Neo4 is nforce 4 SLI. So maybe your board is nforce 3 and the culprit is the nforce4 chipset ?
k8n neo4-fi
nF4 Ultra
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Bomb Voyage
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Posted - 2006.10.16 20:42:00 -
[46]
Edited by: Bomb Voyage on 16/10/2006 20:45:18
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Bombcrater
DAB
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.16 20:46:00 -
[47]
Originally by: OneSock
Interesting:
My Core2 Duo system uses NVIDIA« nForce4 SLI Intel« Edition
I wonder if it's SLI boards with nForce4 chipset ?
My Athlon X2 system has an NF4 SLI board and it's completely stable with Eve.
I've been checking the differences between that system and one that's unstable and found a change in the Eve setup, but I don't know if it's relevant.
Can somebody with an unstable system add the line advancedDevice=1 to their prefs.ini file and then load Eve and in the graphics section of the preferences window change the 'present interval' setting to interval one. Also try this in window mode as well as full screen. |
FatChance
Defenders of Order
New Eden Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.16 21:08:00 -
[48]
Back when I first started playing eve I was having crashes to the desktop and blue screens at least once a night. Thought it must have been a driver issue of somekind. Tried reinstalling the sound card drivers, uninstalling, installing again, etc... finally took the sound card out and everything worked fine. Couple months later after numerous patches tried the card again, nope same thing. Went so far as to rebuild my entire machine and only installed the Eve client. Same problem. So I have finally just given up to the fact that my machine setup with the Creative Labs Audigy 2 ZS and Eve don't get along. Here are my specs:
Sys Specs:
AMD 64 X2 4800
ASUS A8N-SLI Premium Motherboard
Corsair XMS Pro 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR 433 RAM
eVGA GeForce 7800GTX 512mb
(2)Western Digital Raptor 74GB 10k RPM SATA150 HD (RAID 0)
Creative Audigy 2 ZS
By the way since I physically removed the card the number of desktop crashes is down to maybe once every couple weeks and that is normally server related. Haven't had a blue screen since.
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Alphonse Zek
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Posted - 2006.10.17 02:27:00 -
[49]
I have only recently been getting CTD. Whenever I undock from Youl station it happens. I have been all over the universe since it started happening and have only CTD once while comming out of a gate, but it is consistent outside of Youl station.
My specs:
MB: GA-M59SLI-S5 AM2 Nvidia nforce 590sli
CPU: AMD 64x2 4600+ Windsor
Ram: Corsair XMS2 DDR2 800, total 4 gb on 4 sticks
Video: BFG 7600 GT OC 256mb x2, though my system runs hot when I run em in sli mode so I dont (need to get better cooling me thinks)
Sound: Creative SB X-Fi Platinum 7.1
Power: BFG 650 watt
HD: WD Caviar SE16 500 GB 7200rpm
DVDrom: Samsung DVD Writer Lightscribe
Only measures I've taken. Shortly after it started I uninstalled eve, reinstalled OS (XP pro with SP2), updated drivers, reinstalled eve and it still CTD.
My old system had no probs with eve, and neither did my new one until about a week ago.
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FurbySlayer
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Posted - 2006.10.17 04:25:00 -
[50]
i guess the only other thing we can do (as a community) is to gather more info.. i know others have posted threads to this and it probably wont work.. but a few bits of info together may help point out possible culprits.
one question i would ask of those using the Nforce 4 boards is which nic are you using.. my boards have the nvidia nic, and marvell nic. i find that using the marvell has helped some with this problem. since network cards have become integral parts of motherboards they often can get overlooked as a problem source.
lets also suppose that you have:
A.) tested your memory with memtest (multiple passes, so heat issues can arrise) and it is passing.
B.) that you have done the basic windows disc error check with automatically fix errors (reboot required) and defrag.
C.) that you have completely updated your windows installation. if you havent, now would be a good time.
finally dont post if you have this problem and are overclocking as this can create more problems on its own. and we cant prove or disprove the stability of your system. (manufacturer spec systems only)
and finally ask that people having this problem post some basic stats, not a complete system list.(please include your single core if it also has the problem)
motherboard, processor, video and sound.
eg:asus a8n-sli dlx, a64 x2 3800+, evga 7900gt, onboard sound
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codemaster28
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.17 05:28:00 -
[51]
mobo = ABIT AN8 32x
CPU = AMD X2 4800+
MEM = corsair pc3500LL PRO (x2 1GB match pairs)
GRAPHICS = 2x BFG 7900GT OC
PSU = Liberty 620w
HDD = WD raptor 150GB
DRIVERS = upto date
WINDOWS = upto date XP Professional
It seems to me there is a problem occuring here with alot of AMD duelcore and SLI systems, I can run eve better on my other system (amd 3400+) than i can with my gaming rig. Tonight i will be messing around with a fresh install of eve to try and find a way to get better fps and stop the left hand side icons from totally disapearing. If everyone wants to press CTRL+SHIFT+ALT+M in game and see if you are getting any packet calls remaining under the network option. Even if everything is running fine it doesn warrent this >>>
OMG 2 grand on a pc just to play with fps/lag nice work ccp.
Whine over........
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l3VGV
Rage and Terror
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Posted - 2006.10.17 08:02:00 -
[52]
Edited by: l3VGV on 17/10/2006 08:07:02
Originally by: codemaster28
mobo = ABIT AN8 32x
CPU = AMD X2 4800+
MEM = corsair pc3500LL PRO (x2 1GB match pairs)
GRAPHICS = 2x BFG 7900GT OC
PSU = Liberty 620w
HDD = WD raptor 150GB
DRIVERS = upto date
WINDOWS = upto date XP Professional
It seems to me there is a problem occuring here with alot of AMD duelcore and SLI systems, I can run eve better on my other system (amd 3400+) than i can with my gaming rig. Tonight i will be messing around with a fresh install of eve to try and find a way to get better fps and stop the left hand side icons from totally disapearing. If everyone wants to press CTRL+SHIFT+ALT+M in game and see if you are getting any packet calls remaining under the network option. Even if everything is running fine it doesn warrent this >>>
OMG 2 grand on a pc just to play with fps/lag nice work ccp.
Whine over........
omg, pls remove image and post tha link on it.
answer of poor perfomance on ur dual core u can find here:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/909944/en-us
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OneSock
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Posted - 2006.10.17 10:10:00 -
[53]
Originally by: FurbySlayer
one question i would ask of those using the Nforce 4 boards is which nic are you using.. my boards have the nvidia nic, and marvell nic. i find that using the marvell has helped some with this problem. since network cards have become integral parts of motherboards they often can get overlooked as a problem source.
my onboard NICs are disabled. I use a belkin 54g wireless PCI card.
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Mortious Vayantix
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Posted - 2006.10.17 19:47:00 -
[54]
As I said in the firt one, my issues were all driver related.
My pc never crashed in any other game or anything. Just EVE. it got bad enough that I couldn't jump anywhere, then would crash in the middle of nowhere.
I didn't remember at first but I had done some driver updates and it started happening after that.
Nforce4 board with Ati Cards and X2 cpu. Needed a special release of the ATI Drivers that support the Nforce board with Dual Core. I'd look on manufacturers forums and support section. Since so many of you have similar issues even with nvidia cards, i'm assuming there would be a fix available somewhere. I had to look for a while to find mine as I couldn't find it in the downloads area.
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John McFly
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Posted - 2006.10.18 12:51:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Grez
I myself have two dual core systems and they work perfectly with EVE, try messing with your afinity and memory settings. And like I've said plenty of times, CCP don't post here, this is for workarounds fromt he community - demanding a reply will get you no-where. Post them a bug report with crash logs, and then sit and wait, like everyone else.
Adjusting the affinity of a dual-core or dual-processor machine means you're only running on 50% of your available processor power. Thats not a very good solution to a problem, and shows that the client code needs to be updated to work with newer systems rather than just assuming there is only one CPU.
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codemaster28
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.18 16:03:00 -
[56]
Originally by: l3VGV
Edited by: l3VGV on 17/10/2006 08:07:02
Originally by: codemaster28
mobo = ABIT AN8 32x
CPU = AMD X2 4800+
MEM = corsair pc3500LL PRO (x2 1GB match pairs)
GRAPHICS = 2x BFG 7900GT OC
PSU = Liberty 620w
HDD = WD raptor 150GB
DRIVERS = upto date
WINDOWS = upto date XP Professional
It seems to me there is a problem occuring here with alot of AMD duelcore and SLI systems, I can run eve better on my other system (amd 3400+) than i can with my gaming rig. Tonight i will be messing around with a fresh install of eve to try and find a way to get better fps and stop the left hand side icons from totally disapearing. If everyone wants to press CTRL+SHIFT+ALT+M in game and see if you are getting any packet calls remaining under the network option. Even if everything is running fine it doesn warrent this >>>
OMG 2 grand on a pc just to play with fps/lag nice work ccp.
Whine over........
omg, pls remove image and post tha link on it.
answer of poor perfomance on ur dual core u can find here:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/909944/en-us
CPU driver upto date
power scheme home/office
fresh install of windows xp pro with all updates
fresh install of eve
tried everything
now getting pee`d off with lack of support from ccp
stopped playing will wait untill kali
if this continues i will be cancelling both my accounts and suggesting to friends to do the same, which really dont want to do as i enjoy the game when i can play without crap client problems.
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Shirley Koch
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Posted - 2006.10.19 13:25:00 -
[57]
well since i play eve i used 3 diffrent pcs
1 athlon 2000+ 756mb geforce mx 440 = eve runned perfekt and with high fps
2 pentium 4 3,2ghz EE with ht 1gb ram ati 9600xt = eve runned poor with low fps
3 athlon 64 3800+ dual core 2gb ram sli 7900gt = eve runs same low as with number 2
3 diffrent pcs and the better 2 ****** up with performance?? how can it be?
i think eve stayed at same code it startet with that time it had 2ghz cpus 128mb grakas lesser ram and low gb harddrives.
now i hear from alot with high end pcs that eve runs **** they hang around with 5 fps in combat!!!!meanwhile the same pc runs doom3 in uber high reso with 90 fps and more???!!!
i hope for kali and the new grafik engine thats really my last hope and heck i tried all hints from disable effekts turn of sounds i have all updates all patches and even the dual core patch installed evrything runs perfekt on my pc and a 3 year old game make me cry cause it runs so slow ?!
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Roy Gordon
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Posted - 2006.10.19 16:38:00 -
[58]
A bit of a ripose here to Grez.
Updating your drivers is not always a good idea.
Updating Creative drivers is sometimes a very bad idea(Creative themselves state only update soundcard drivers if you experience problems with the soundcard in lots of situations).
I have had so many problems when updating drivers that I no longer do it and as a consequence I no longer have any problems.
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Cherev Halail
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Posted - 2006.10.20 08:06:00 -
[59]
Hi,
I have the same problem, nforce 3 ultra mobo, Creative XtremeMusic, Nivida 6800GS 256, AMD x2 3800 cpu.
I have physically removed the soundcard and played with no sound, still ctd's.
Just my info.
Cheers,
C
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Karash Amerius
Amarr
O.E.C
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Posted - 2006.10.23 15:35:00 -
[60]
As a side note...a Corp member of mine just bought a new computer. It is a dual core Intel based box. Latest drivers on everything and only has EVE installed. CTDs on session change pretty frequently. He is pretty upset by this.
Thinking maybe graphics card now. He has a 7900GT.
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