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Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.10 19:04:00 - [1] Edited by: Blacklight on 10/10/2006 19:06:48 Quote: I also came up with a plan to get our forces into TPAR again. This would of meant we could fight BoB on our terms because their node-crash-lag-tard-machine apears to require them to jump through a gate. Problem we had was we took too long and BoB jumped back, so we lost the iniatative. Again. This one is priceless. All weekend since we took control of TPAR we have been dangling our fleets in front of you so that you can warp in on us, note that I say warp in on us and not jump in on us. It takes ASCN even with greater numbers anything up to two or three hours just to set up a covert ops and warp in to our fleet. When fighting without node death, without lag, without having to jump through gates and suffer session changes the results have been just as catastrophic as when we have had node death. Yesterday ASCN warped a similar sized fleet on top of a BoB fleet as we were setting up a POS to replace one of the 13 large towers we took out. ASCN picked the range, ASCN chose to warp in at 0km most BoB BS had long range ammo fitted, there was no node death, there was minimal lag, there was no jumping through gates, there was no active POS, no drones out, no fighters, no 'lame node haxsploits' or any other funny business. ASCN lost their entire fleet (20 BS), we lost a raven and a claw. We then killed the remainder of your fleet doing a runner with their tails between their legs another 4 BS down. Feel free to fight us on your own terms anytime. Quote: Last night was a different kettle of fish. Another GM pops up in TPAR and decides that our POS was fueled using an exploit and promptly took it upon himself to take it out of reinforced mode and tell BoB, not us, that this had been done, allowing BoB's Dreads to destory it. That inturn resulted in our loosing a sizeable proportion of the fleet there because we had no fall back point. Oh boy, comedy in extremis. So despite the fact that POS's are notoriously bad at resetting shields after node drops, at coming out of reinforced and going back in again, in fact as being pretty unstable as far as behaviour and coding goes and despite the fact the POS was confirmed by a GM to have msteriously gone back into reinforced without being refueled this is a problem? You had another active POS in system at the time so of course you had a "fall back point". You lose half your fleets because your own people know that all your leadership is good for is posting drivel like this, blaming everyone but yourselves and then burying your head in the sand. If you had wanted to defend that POS then like any competent group you would have known what time it came out of reinforced, have put forces into postition and engaged our Dreads. You didn't. Quote: However I successfuly came up with a way to counter the node crash and we implemented that and from about 17.00 Eve time, a GM turned up in TCAG, meaning BoB couldn't crash the node and jumped their ships in a few at a time. So given that this was a fair fight for a change, we started smacking BoB all over the place, taking out 6 of their BS, and a multitude of HACs, Recons, AFs and Intys for the loss of two ASCN BS and a Rifter. Hehehe, OK the presence of a GM prevented us from using our "lame node haxsploit" and therefore you spanked us. What delusional drivel. No-one did anything to put enough pressure on the node to take it down, hence it didn't crash, the presence of a GM was irrelevant. If you honestly believe that we deliberately take down nodes to give ourselves an advantage then you are seriously losing the plot. Why would we want to take the node down when we know we can mince you without doing so? Seriously, do you think your own members believe you when you tell them that we exploit to beat you. Laughable. Eve Blacklight Style
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.10 19:04:00 - [2] Edited by: Blacklight on 10/10/2006 19:07:09 Quote: So what am I saying? I'm presenting you with facts without propeganda or embelishment. Let me just go back to the previous quote when addressing this item of hilarity. You were apparently smacking BoB about all over the place at approximately 17:00 Eve time yesterday? Okie dokie... So then we skirmished and you killed a few of us, in the two hour's spanning the time you quoted as smacking us about all over the place (I've just had a look at 16:00 to 18:00 to cover the fact you are guessing at the aproximate time) you lost 6 ships including 3 battleships, we lost 6 ships including 0 battleships. Congratumalations!! Over a two hour period you didn't get as badly schooled as you have been doing for the last 220 hours... because... there was hardly any fighting! Here is a straw, please cling to it. I'll cut you some slack because between 18:00 and 19:00 you did kill 4 of our BS and we only killed 3 of yours, so your memory clock was out by 2-3 hours, anyone (even someone who is a serial missrepresenter of the truth such as yourself) can make such a simple mistake. Of course there's no wonder you want to make a big deal of that when you look at the fact that only a couple of hours before that the slaughter I mentioned above had happened when your guys warped in on us in TPAR and that a couple of hours later a 10 man inty gang took you appart in RIT-A7 or that on Monday we sliced and diced your whole BS fleet with a support fleet or..... the dozens of other engagements over the last ten days when even the most delusional and paranoid of your leadership would be forced to admit that there wasn't even a sniff of an exploit. There is clearly no propaganda or embelishment in your post.... and I am the Pope. Quote: Guys, we don't even have a POS in our space. We haven't set any POS's up, we're too busy chaining you. When we feel like it we will and you'll lose stations when we do. Quote: We've done all this with 100 in gang and less than 30 BS. 60 at our highest. Did your nose grow when you wrote that Pinocchio? You had 70-75 BS lastnight and wouldn't engage our 40 despite us having dreads in play and taking out your last POS in TPAR. You've had more than 100 in gang repeatedly, we know because we had people in them. You've 'done' nothing except die a lot, throw money away, deplete your own stocks and give us hours and hours of fun. Quote: We can do this. BoB is beatable and you guys are better than them. Why? Because look at what we've acomplished without resorting to TS spys, exploits and lame tatics. Let's do it guys. Let's send a clear message to the whole of Eve and let's destory our enemy once and for all! You have had people on our TS. You've had spies and intel from our forums. No-one on either side has exploited. Obviously the fact that literally hundreds of ASCN pilots over the last week have logged off to save their pods (despite then being hunted down by our covops and squished anyway) is in no way shape or form lame. Nice try to demonise us to your troops though but as you have seen we can all play that game the thing is having an understanding of game mechanics and not telling lies makes propaganda a lot more effective. You fail at being effective. If this is the insights of ASCNs military mastermind please continue to follow his plans to the letter. We are having enormous fun. You are being slaughtered and are failing to implement your own strategy. John, you're doing brilliantly kiddo and don't let me or anyone else tell you otherwise. Eve Blacklight Style
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.10 19:04:00 - [3] Edited by: Blacklight on 10/10/2006 19:06:23 Quote: Last night was a different kettle of fish. Another GM pops up in TPAR and decides that our POS was fueled using an exploit and promptly took it upon himself to take it out of reinforced mode and tell BoB, not us, that this had been done, allowing BoB's Dreads to destory it. That inturn resulted in our loosing a sizeable proportion of the fleet there because we had no fall back point. However I successfuly came up with a way to counter the node crash and we implemented that and from about 17.00 Eve time, a GM turned up in TCAG, meaning BoB couldn't crash the node and jumped their ships in a few at a time. So given that this was a fair fight for a change, we started smacking BoB all over the place, taking out 6 of their BS, and a multitude of HACs, Recons, AFs and Intys for the loss of two ASCN BS and a Rifter. So what am I saying? I'm presenting you with facts without propeganda or embelishment. I saw what the GMs did, as did Hermot (and I think Shanzem) becasue we where watching the gate. BoB is beatable. The most they can get is 200 and that's on a weekend. We've proven from last night that when presented with a level playing ground, we can match them man for man in our PvP abilities and kill them. Additionally to all this, we've had to contend with TS spys, jokers jumping on and saying "warp to the gate!" in order to trap us (hence the channels being set to 1 member). We're fighting BoB, we're fighting lag and we're fighting CCP and guess what? 10 days into the war, we're still here in BoB space, laying seige to a BoB system and have been doing so since day 5. Before I spoke with Cyvok and got him to see the benefits of an offensive war, our most optimistic projections said we would of lost Pargon Soul by now. Guys, we don't even have a POS in our space. We've done all this with 100 in gang and less than 30 BS. 60 at our highest. Imagine what we're capable with 300 Battleships? So let's stop fighting amongst ourselves, let's jump in BS and Capital ships and let's show BoB the true meaning of fear when 400-500 ASCN roll into TPAR and take down EVERY single tower there and we set up 60 of our own. We can do this. BoB is beatable and you guys are better than them. Why? Because look at what we've acomplished without resorting to TS spys, exploits and lame tatics. Let's do it guys. Let's send a clear message to the whole of Eve and let's destory our enemy once and for all! So time to have some fun dispelling the nonsense in this post by ASCN's most senior military mastermind. Quote: Then came the lag. More precisely, the exploits used by BoB in ordered to crash the node and insta-log back on again in order to kill our fleet. The lag has been appalling all over Eve, there are numerous forum posts from people as far from our little war as up in Geminate. The node died on MC vs Pirate Peeps in Providence repeatedly. The node has died repeatedly with IAC vs MC/FIX fighting in Catch. Apparently however, all those other people suffering coincidentally with the same problem as BoB and ASCN are doing so legitimately but BoB are exploiting. Eve Blacklight Style
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.10 19:04:00 - [4] Edited by: Blacklight on 10/10/2006 19:05:52 Quote: The BoB war (by John Mccreedy) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I want to run through what's happend from my perspective. I want to list what's been good and what's been bad so far with this war. On Tuesday, at my request, Drakma forwarded a plan to take TPAR to Cyvok and I. We both agreed it was a good plan and it fitted in with my overall strategy of taking the fight to BoB space to force them onto the back foot and out of our space. On Wednesday, I communicated this plan to our Allies in POS, V and LV Alliances who also agreed that this was the right course of action in order to win this war. The plan was simple. On Thursday, we would role in with a joint task force of ASCN, POS, V and LV, place down towers simeltaneously and jump in Capital ships to complete the fittings and start taking down BoB's POS. The first part was done and we rolled in with over 200 BS, locked down the system and started putting down POS towers. This was shock and awe ASCN style. The problem we had was those BoB lackeys, FIX, decided to pop one link in the damn cyno chain so we didn't get the Capital Fleet in until very late (07.00 Eve time iirc) which resulted in the delays in the guns and hardners etc. getting on. You may level some criticism at us for rushing things but you have to understand that the intel we had suggested MC where to get involved that Friday and we wanted to give them food for thought by taking a BoB system. Then came the lag. More precisely, the exploits used by BoB in ordered to crash the node and insta-log back on again in order to kill our fleet. I admit - we weren't ready for that and it's taken three days to find an effective counter. We have that now. Again, you have to look inside and ask yourself if you knew they'd pull such lame tatics in order to win. So, we lost a lot of guys and lost ground. On top of that, there was communications misunderstanding where CEO Pyrex issued orders for all Carriers to move to AZN, ready to stage for moving to TPAR. Unfortunately, this somehow got translated on the ground as everyone pull out of TPAR and move back to AZN, which is what lead to us loosing TPAR and our paying for it ever since. I don't blame anyone for this, it was just one of those things. Things were also not helped by a GM moving BoB en masse back into TPAR from TCAG just as ASCN was gaining the upper hand, then moving them back when we didn't expect it and without warning, allowing them to kill a sizeable proportion of our fleet. We're petitioning that. Then came Sunday. We where presented with an oppurtunity again to deal another damaging morale blow to BoB but could we get the personnel? This is why we got mad. Hermot and I spent the whole day trying to gather forces to TCAG in order to hold this system and make another push. Because we only managed to get at our peak 44 BS out of 100 in gang out of 470 people in the Alliance chat, we lost the iniative. I also came up with a plan to get our forces into TPAR again. This would of meant we could fight BoB on our terms because their node-crash-lag-tard-machine apears to require them to jump through a gate. Problem we had was we took too long and BoB jumped back, so we lost the iniatative. Again. Eve Blacklight Style
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.10 19:04:00 - [5] Edited by: Blacklight on 10/10/2006 19:05:27 Ok let's start with a few facts and then we'll move onto the comedy, missinterpretation and paranoia of people who apparently can't deal with a bit of pressure. Facts 1. BoB stated we were going onto a war footing and no objectives. 2. We started shooting ASCN/AXE in Paragon and Feythabolis. 3. ASCN/AXE launch an attack on Period Basis, more specifically TPAR-G. 4. The attack consisted of moving ~200 pilots, 15 cap ships and setting up 13 large POS in TPAR very early in the morning on Friday. 5. ASCN/AXE were fully established with bubble camps, system lockdown, loads of people and reinforcements coming in all day. 6. Approximately 30-40 BoB pilots managed to get into TPAR and break the lockdown. 7. Since Friday BoB has had total control of TPAR. 8. Since the beginning of the weekend in TPAR BoB have generally been outnumbered by upto 3:1 and usually around 2:1, just basing off local numbers in TCAG/TPAR (for example lastnight, 110 BoB in TPAR/TCAG with 40 BS, 200 ASCN with 70-75 BS). 9. The servers have been very unreliable all over Eve and placing a large load on any one node has usually ended in the node going down (see reports of all other major conflicts going on particularly MC's reports, and comments in general forum threads about 50 vs 50 fights leading to node death). 10. ASCN have lost 450 BS to us since we started, BoB have lost 53 (numbers do not include anyone not showing in the ASCN IGA) 11. ASCN have lost 1303 ships in total to us since we started, BoB have lost 354 (numbers do not include anyone not showing in the ASCN IGA). 12. All ASCN POS have been killed (13 large towers) 13. 2 BoB POS's have been lost (2 small towers) 14. On Sunday night there were 3 BS for sale in Paragon Soul, ASCN could not resupply. 15. With TPAR back under control BoB roaming gangs killed 89 ASCN/AXE ships so far today including 28 battleships. 16. ASCN/AXE roaming gangs killed 12 BoB and 2 battleships. So given that they are the facts to date this was the ASCN Military Commander in Chief's assessment of the situation today (the infamous and much quoted McCreedy files). Eve Blacklight Style
Ediz Daxx FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.10 19:05:00 - [6] Exciting!!
DrRockIT Caldari Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.10 19:06:00 - [7] Jumplag gives enough time to read ur Post BL.........
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.10.10 19:10:00 - [8] summary plz
zeKzn Empire of Destiny	Posted - 2006.10.10 19:14:00 - [9] i want to know what this 'effective' counter to a node crash + instalogin is, regardless of whether or not said node crash/login actually happens. ____ Itty-Bitty Crow <3
Crucifier The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.10 19:14:00 - [10] We care, really, we do!
Kaleeb Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.10.10 19:14:00 - [11] Would you say that bob do not and will never use exploits or very questionable tactics BL? Originally by: Blacklight Last night was an 'anomoly' for different reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with skill or who were the better pvpers.
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.10 19:15:00 - [12] Originally by: Shin Ra summary plz Just read it, it's worth it. If you had opportunity to read CYVOK's node crashing manual for dummies, then it's hilarious.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.10 19:18:00 - [13] Originally by: zeKzn i want to know what this 'effective' counter to a node crash + instalogin is, regardless of whether or not said node crash/login actually happens. My guess is (altho it's hard to guess what goes on in his mind), that he was referring to the presence of the GM. In other words, he petitioned us for nodeh4xoring and got a GM to come watch or something. Old blog
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.10 19:18:00 - [14] Originally by: Blacklight 14. On Sunday night there were 3 BS for sale in Paragon Soul, ASCN could not resupply. Most of your OP is perfectly factual, but you don't actually believe they buy their BS off the market do you, rather than supplying all ships internally? ASCN don't need a stocked market to resupply, and you know it.
Robert Dobbs Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.10 19:19:00 - [15] Originally by: Butter Dog Most of your OP is perfectly factual, but you don't actually believe they buy their BS off the market do you, rather than supplying all ships internally? ASCN don't need a stocked market to resupply, and you know it. We do know that they use escrow, and we do know that supplies are running dry. - Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.10 19:19:00 - [16] Originally by: Kaleeb Would you say that bob do not and will never use exploits or very questionable tactics BL? What kind of troll question is that, Kaleeb? We've made the statement you seek millions of times without being prompted. Would CELES join us in saing it?
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.10 19:20:00 - [17] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Blacklight 14. On Sunday night there were 3 BS for sale in Paragon Soul, ASCN could not resupply. Most of your OP is perfectly factual, but you don't actually believe they buy their BS off the market do you, rather than supplying all ships internally? ASCN don't need a stocked market to resupply, and you know it. That includes escrow supply, which ASCN HC have been screaming for. 3 bs, across market and across escrow. And yes, that IS how they work.
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.10 19:20:00 - [18] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Blacklight 14. On Sunday night there were 3 BS for sale in Paragon Soul, ASCN could not resupply. Most of your OP is perfectly factual, but you don't actually believe they buy their BS off the market do you, rather than supplying all ships internally? ASCN don't need a stocked market to resupply, and you know it. My bad, I should have said Escrow/Market. Here's a little further enlightenment though. Quote: 2006.10.09 22:11 KEEP YOUR PROMISES!!! From an FC: I shouldn't have to say this to my own alliance members but I have tried to deal with at least 7 people from posts/ contacts here and not 1 ascn member has followed through on their promise. This is bull** guys, I see you mining during all hands calls and I don't say because I expect your doing it to help the alliance. Well the FC's can't find ships and our t2 support supply is pathetic. For all the people claiming they are mining & producing there isn't ** on escrow for us to buy at reduce rates. I don't have time to source new ships after my 1st 5 losses! If you really wanna help put up ships in GQ2, we need BS badly and t2 fittings for a bs, t2 support ships (hacs, ton's of inties, af) etc.... BOOB is out ship classing us by a ton. Eve Blacklight Style
zeKzn Empire of Destiny	Posted - 2006.10.10 19:20:00 - [19] Edited by: zeKzn on 10/10/2006 19:20:10 Originally by: Rod Blaine Originally by: zeKzn i want to know what this 'effective' counter to a node crash + instalogin is, regardless of whether or not said node crash/login actually happens. My guess is (altho it's hard to guess what goes on in his mind), that he was referring to the presence of the GM. In other words, he petitioned us for nodeh4xoring and got a GM to come watch or something. oh i was hoping it was something exciting and cutting edge edit: like a rented supercomputer! ____ Itty-Bitty Crow <3
DETOVI Caldari FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.10 19:22:00 - [20] I gotta say... love the sigs .
John McCreedy Caldari Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.10 19:22:00 - [21] oooh BoB's smacking me. I feel so special Make a Difference
Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.10 19:24:00 - [22] Originally by: Shin Ra summary plz Originally by: Blacklight I am the Pope. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Originally by: Reddari Now just be nice before I start to make life for the BOB devs (yes you have some) harder by exposing their player characters.
Kaleeb Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.10.10 19:24:00 - [23] Originally by: Louisa Torres Originally by: Kaleeb Would you say that bob do not and will never use exploits or very questionable tactics BL? What kind of troll question is that, Kaleeb? We've made the statement you seek millions of times without being prompted. Would CELES join us in saing it? I didnt intend it to be a trolling reply and I try to post respectfully whenever I enter a thread either involving celes or not. ( I hope that has been understood) I havent seen bob say that before, and if you have then I have simply missed it, I dont understand what your implying about celes but if your talking about exploits then I have never been involved in them and if I saw them going on in celes I would probably ask for the people are kicked. So back to the orginal (not meant as a troll or a flame) would you say that bob dont use exploits or questionable tactics? Originally by: Blacklight Last night was an 'anomoly' for different reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with skill or who were the better pvpers.
Robert Dobbs Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.10 19:25:00 - [24] Originally by: Kaleeb So back to the orginal (not meant as a troll or a flame) would you say that bob dont use exploits or questionable tactics? We do not use exploits. "Questionable tactics?", well, I ** on first date. - Originally by:** CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.10 19:25:00 - [25] Edited by: Louisa Torres on 10/10/2006 19:25:22 Originally by: Kaleeb ...if your talking about exploits then I have never been involved in them and if I saw them going on in celes I would probably ask for the people are kicked. That answer will do fine, cheers :) edit: one amendment - I wouldn't say "probably", I'd say definitely.
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.10 19:26:00 - [26] Originally by: John McCreedy I feel so special People suffering from delusion generally do.
Drakma Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.10 19:27:00 - [27] Awesome, thanks for posting it here, I've been unable to find that blog as I'm having internet issues atm. It's a good read. 10/10
Crimsonjade Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.10.10 19:27:00 - [28] im impressed Blacklight... you havnt passed out and gotten killed at a moon yet touch me... you wanna ......
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.10 19:28:00 - [29] I find most of John's post perfectly reasoned. Obviously, its biased. It would be, that is expected. I find it more distrubing that you take an internal ASCN forum post, make it public, then respond to it publically. This would be more appropriately handled on your own forum, but then, you guys have proved to be utterly devoid of morality and honour in this fight so far. Why start now?
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.10 19:30:00 - [30] Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Blacklight 14. On Sunday night there were 3 BS for sale in Paragon Soul, ASCN could not resupply. Most of your OP is perfectly factual, but you don't actually believe they buy their BS off the market do you, rather than supplying all ships internally? ASCN don't need a stocked market to resupply, and you know it. My bad, I should have said Escrow/Market. Here's a little further enlightenment though. Quote: 2006.10.09 22:11 KEEP YOUR PROMISES!!! From an FC: I shouldn't have to say this to my own alliance members but I have tried to deal with at least 7 people from posts/ contacts here and not 1 ascn member has followed through on their promise. This is bull** guys, I see you mining during all hands calls and I don't say because I expect your doing it to help the alliance. Well the FC's can't find ships and our t2 support supply is pathetic. For all the people claiming they are mining & producing there isn't ** on escrow for us to buy at reduce rates. I don't have time to source new ships after my 1st 5 losses! If you really wanna help put up ships in GQ2, we need BS badly and t2 fittings for a bs, t2 support ships (hacs, ton's of inties, af) etc.... BOOB is out ship classing us by a ton. Fair enough, thanks for that info :)

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