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Blacklight
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:04:00 -
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Edited by: Blacklight on 10/10/2006 19:06:48
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I also came up with a plan to get our forces into TPAR again. This would of meant we could fight BoB on our terms because their node-crash-lag-tard-machine apears to require them to jump through a gate. Problem we had was we took too long and BoB jumped back, so we lost the iniatative. Again.
This one is priceless. All weekend since we took control of TPAR we have been dangling our fleets in front of you so that you can warp in on us, note that I say warp in on us and not jump in on us. It takes ASCN even with greater numbers anything up to two or three hours just to set up a covert ops and warp in to our fleet.
When fighting without node death, without lag, without having to jump through gates and suffer session changes the results have been just as catastrophic as when we have had node death. Yesterday ASCN warped a similar sized fleet on top of a BoB fleet as we were setting up a POS to replace one of the 13 large towers we took out. ASCN picked the range, ASCN chose to warp in at 0km most BoB BS had long range ammo fitted, there was no node death, there was minimal lag, there was no jumping through gates, there was no active POS, no drones out, no fighters, no 'lame node haxsploits' or any other funny business. ASCN lost their entire fleet (20 BS), we lost a raven and a claw. We then killed the remainder of your fleet doing a runner with their tails between their legs another 4 BS down. Feel free to fight us on your own terms anytime.
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Last night was a different kettle of fish. Another GM pops up in TPAR and decides that our POS was fueled using an exploit and promptly took it upon himself to take it out of reinforced mode and tell BoB, not us, that this had been done, allowing BoB's Dreads to destory it. That inturn resulted in our loosing a sizeable proportion of the fleet there because we had no fall back point.
Oh boy, comedy in extremis. So despite the fact that POS's are notoriously bad at resetting shields after node drops, at coming out of reinforced and going back in again, in fact as being pretty unstable as far as behaviour and coding goes and despite the fact the POS was confirmed by a GM to have msteriously gone back into reinforced without being refueled this is a problem? You had another active POS in system at the time so of course you had a "fall back point". You lose half your fleets because your own people know that all your leadership is good for is posting drivel like this, blaming everyone but yourselves and then burying your head in the sand. If you had wanted to defend that POS then like any competent group you would have known what time it came out of reinforced, have put forces into postition and engaged our Dreads. You didn't.
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However I successfuly came up with a way to counter the node crash and we implemented that and from about 17.00 Eve time, a GM turned up in TCAG, meaning BoB couldn't crash the node and jumped their ships in a few at a time. So given that this was a fair fight for a change, we started smacking BoB all over the place, taking out 6 of their BS, and a multitude of HACs, Recons, AFs and Intys for the loss of two ASCN BS and a Rifter.
Hehehe, OK the presence of a GM prevented us from using our "lame node haxsploit" and therefore you spanked us. What delusional drivel. No-one did anything to put enough pressure on the node to take it down, hence it didn't crash, the presence of a GM was irrelevant. If you honestly believe that we deliberately take down nodes to give ourselves an advantage then you are seriously losing the plot. Why would we want to take the node down when we know we can mince you without doing so? Seriously, do you think your own members believe you when you tell them that we exploit to beat you. Laughable.
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Blacklight
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:04:00 -
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Edited by: Blacklight on 10/10/2006 19:07:09
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So what am I saying? I'm presenting you with facts without propeganda or embelishment.
Let me just go back to the previous quote when addressing this item of hilarity. You were apparently smacking BoB about all over the place at approximately 17:00 Eve time yesterday? Okie dokie... So then we skirmished and you killed a few of us, in the two hour's spanning the time you quoted as smacking us about all over the place (I've just had a look at 16:00 to 18:00 to cover the fact you are guessing at the aproximate time) you lost 6 ships including 3 battleships, we lost 6 ships including 0 battleships. Congratumalations!! Over a two hour period you didn't get as badly schooled as you have been doing for the last 220 hours... because... there was hardly any fighting! Here is a straw, please cling to it.
I'll cut you some slack because between 18:00 and 19:00 you did kill 4 of our BS and we only killed 3 of yours, so your memory clock was out by 2-3 hours, anyone (even someone who is a serial missrepresenter of the truth such as yourself) can make such a simple mistake.
Of course there's no wonder you want to make a big deal of that when you look at the fact that only a couple of hours before that the slaughter I mentioned above had happened when your guys warped in on us in TPAR and that a couple of hours later a 10 man inty gang took you appart in RIT-A7 or that on Monday we sliced and diced your whole BS fleet with a support fleet or..... the dozens of other engagements over the last ten days when even the most delusional and paranoid of your leadership would be forced to admit that there wasn't even a sniff of an exploit.
There is clearly no propaganda or embelishment in your post.... and I am the Pope.
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Guys, we don't even have a POS in our space.
We haven't set any POS's up, we're too busy chaining you. When we feel like it we will and you'll lose stations when we do.
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We've done all this with 100 in gang and less than 30 BS. 60 at our highest.
Did your nose grow when you wrote that Pinocchio? You had 70-75 BS lastnight and wouldn't engage our 40 despite us having dreads in play and taking out your last POS in TPAR. You've had more than 100 in gang repeatedly, we know because we had people in them. You've 'done' nothing except die a lot, throw money away, deplete your own stocks and give us hours and hours of fun.
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We can do this. BoB is beatable and you guys are better than them. Why? Because look at what we've acomplished without resorting to TS spys, exploits and lame tatics. Let's do it guys. Let's send a clear message to the whole of Eve and let's destory our enemy once and for all!
You have had people on our TS. You've had spies and intel from our forums. No-one on either side has exploited. Obviously the fact that literally hundreds of ASCN pilots over the last week have logged off to save their pods (despite then being hunted down by our covops and squished anyway) is in no way shape or form lame. Nice try to demonise us to your troops though but as you have seen we can all play that game the thing is having an understanding of game mechanics and not telling lies makes propaganda a lot more effective. You fail at being effective.
If this is the insights of ASCNs military mastermind please continue to follow his plans to the letter. We are having enormous fun. You are being slaughtered and are failing to implement your own strategy.
John, you're doing brilliantly kiddo and don't let me or anyone else tell you otherwise.
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Blacklight
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:04:00 -
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Edited by: Blacklight on 10/10/2006 19:06:23
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Last night was a different kettle of fish. Another GM pops up in TPAR and decides that our POS was fueled using an exploit and promptly took it upon himself to take it out of reinforced mode and tell BoB, not us, that this had been done, allowing BoB's Dreads to destory it. That inturn resulted in our loosing a sizeable proportion of the fleet there because we had no fall back point. However I successfuly came up with a way to counter the node crash and we implemented that and from about 17.00 Eve time, a GM turned up in TCAG, meaning BoB couldn't crash the node and jumped their ships in a few at a time. So given that this was a fair fight for a change, we started smacking BoB all over the place, taking out 6 of their BS, and a multitude of HACs, Recons, AFs and Intys for the loss of two ASCN BS and a Rifter.
So what am I saying? I'm presenting you with facts without propeganda or embelishment. I saw what the GMs did, as did Hermot (and I think Shanzem) becasue we where watching the gate. BoB is beatable. The most they can get is 200 and that's on a weekend. We've proven from last night that when presented with a level playing ground, we can match them man for man in our PvP abilities and kill them. Additionally to all this, we've had to contend with TS spys, jokers jumping on and saying "warp to the gate!" in order to trap us (hence the channels being set to 1 member). We're fighting BoB, we're fighting lag and we're fighting CCP and guess what? 10 days into the war, we're still here in BoB space, laying seige to a BoB system and have been doing so since day 5. Before I spoke with Cyvok and got him to see the benefits of an offensive war, our most optimistic projections said we would of lost Pargon Soul by now.
Guys, we don't even have a POS in our space. We've done all this with 100 in gang and less than 30 BS. 60 at our highest. Imagine what we're capable with 300 Battleships? So let's stop fighting amongst ourselves, let's jump in BS and Capital ships and let's show BoB the true meaning of fear when 400-500 ASCN roll into TPAR and take down EVERY single tower there and we set up 60 of our own. We can do this. BoB is beatable and you guys are better than them. Why? Because look at what we've acomplished without resorting to TS spys, exploits and lame tatics. Let's do it guys. Let's send a clear message to the whole of Eve and let's destory our enemy once and for all!
So time to have some fun dispelling the nonsense in this post by ASCN's most senior military mastermind.
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Then came the lag. More precisely, the exploits used by BoB in ordered to crash the node and insta-log back on again in order to kill our fleet.
The lag has been appalling all over Eve, there are numerous forum posts from people as far from our little war as up in Geminate. The node died on MC vs Pirate Peeps in Providence repeatedly. The node has died repeatedly with IAC vs MC/FIX fighting in Catch. Apparently however, all those other people suffering coincidentally with the same problem as BoB and ASCN are doing so legitimately but BoB are exploiting.
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Blacklight
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:04:00 -
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Edited by: Blacklight on 10/10/2006 19:05:52
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The BoB war (by John Mccreedy)
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I want to run through what's happend from my perspective. I want to list what's been good and what's been bad so far with this war.
On Tuesday, at my request, Drakma forwarded a plan to take TPAR to Cyvok and I. We both agreed it was a good plan and it fitted in with my overall strategy of taking the fight to BoB space to force them onto the back foot and out of our space. On Wednesday, I communicated this plan to our Allies in POS, V and LV Alliances who also agreed that this was the right course of action in order to win this war. The plan was simple. On Thursday, we would role in with a joint task force of ASCN, POS, V and LV, place down towers simeltaneously and jump in Capital ships to complete the fittings and start taking down BoB's POS.
The first part was done and we rolled in with over 200 BS, locked down the system and started putting down POS towers. This was shock and awe ASCN style. The problem we had was those BoB lackeys, FIX, decided to pop one link in the damn cyno chain so we didn't get the Capital Fleet in until very late (07.00 Eve time iirc) which resulted in the delays in the guns and hardners etc. getting on. You may level some criticism at us for rushing things but you have to understand that the intel we had suggested MC where to get involved that Friday and we wanted to give them food for thought by taking a BoB system.
Then came the lag. More precisely, the exploits used by BoB in ordered to crash the node and insta-log back on again in order to kill our fleet. I admit - we weren't ready for that and it's taken three days to find an effective counter. We have that now. Again, you have to look inside and ask yourself if you knew they'd pull such lame tatics in order to win. So, we lost a lot of guys and lost ground. On top of that, there was communications misunderstanding where CEO Pyrex issued orders for all Carriers to move to AZN, ready to stage for moving to TPAR. Unfortunately, this somehow got translated on the ground as everyone pull out of TPAR and move back to AZN, which is what lead to us loosing TPAR and our paying for it ever since. I don't blame anyone for this, it was just one of those things. Things were also not helped by a GM moving BoB en masse back into TPAR from TCAG just as ASCN was gaining the upper hand, then moving them back when we didn't expect it and without warning, allowing them to kill a sizeable proportion of our fleet. We're petitioning that.
Then came Sunday. We where presented with an oppurtunity again to deal another damaging morale blow to BoB but could we get the personnel? This is why we got mad. Hermot and I spent the whole day trying to gather forces to TCAG in order to hold this system and make another push. Because we only managed to get at our peak 44 BS out of 100 in gang out of 470 people in the Alliance chat, we lost the iniative. I also came up with a plan to get our forces into TPAR again. This would of meant we could fight BoB on our terms because their node-crash-lag-tard-machine apears to require them to jump through a gate. Problem we had was we took too long and BoB jumped back, so we lost the iniatative. Again.
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Blacklight
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:04:00 -
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Edited by: Blacklight on 10/10/2006 19:05:27
Ok let's start with a few facts and then we'll move onto the comedy, missinterpretation and paranoia of people who apparently can't deal with a bit of pressure.
Facts
1. BoB stated we were going onto a war footing and no objectives.
2. We started shooting ASCN/AXE in Paragon and Feythabolis.
3. ASCN/AXE launch an attack on Period Basis, more specifically TPAR-G.
4. The attack consisted of moving ~200 pilots, 15 cap ships and setting up 13 large POS in TPAR very early in the morning on Friday.
5. ASCN/AXE were fully established with bubble camps, system lockdown, loads of people and reinforcements coming in all day.
6. Approximately 30-40 BoB pilots managed to get into TPAR and break the lockdown.
7. Since Friday BoB has had total control of TPAR.
8. Since the beginning of the weekend in TPAR BoB have generally been outnumbered by upto 3:1 and usually around 2:1, just basing off local numbers in TCAG/TPAR (for example lastnight, 110 BoB in TPAR/TCAG with 40 BS, 200 ASCN with 70-75 BS).
9. The servers have been very unreliable all over Eve and placing a large load on any one node has usually ended in the node going down (see reports of all other major conflicts going on particularly MC's reports, and comments in general forum threads about 50 vs 50 fights leading to node death).
10. ASCN have lost 450 BS to us since we started, BoB have lost 53 (numbers do not include anyone not showing in the ASCN IGA)
11. ASCN have lost 1303 ships in total to us since we started, BoB have lost 354 (numbers do not include anyone not showing in the ASCN IGA).
12. All ASCN POS have been killed (13 large towers)
13. 2 BoB POS's have been lost (2 small towers)
14. On Sunday night there were 3 BS for sale in Paragon Soul, ASCN could not resupply.
15. With TPAR back under control BoB roaming gangs killed 89 ASCN/AXE ships so far today including 28 battleships.
16. ASCN/AXE roaming gangs killed 12 BoB and 2 battleships.
So given that they are the facts to date this was the ASCN Military Commander in Chief's assessment of the situation today (the infamous and much quoted McCreedy files).
Eve Blacklight Style
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Ediz Daxx
FinFleet
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:05:00 -
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Exciting!!
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DrRockIT
Caldari
Asgard Schiffswerften
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:06:00 -
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Jumplag gives enough time to read ur Post BL.........
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:10:00 -
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summary plz
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zeKzn
Empire of Destiny
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:14:00 -
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i want to know what this 'effective' counter to a node crash + instalogin is, regardless of whether or not said node crash/login actually happens.
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Crucifier
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:14:00 -
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We care, really, we do!
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Kaleeb
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:14:00 -
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Would you say that bob do not and will never use exploits or very questionable tactics BL?
Originally by: Blacklight
Last night was an 'anomoly' for different reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with skill or who were the better pvpers.
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra
summary plz
Just read it, it's worth it.
If you had opportunity to read CYVOK's node crashing manual for dummies, then it's hilarious.
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Rod Blaine
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: zeKzn
i want to know what this 'effective' counter to a node crash + instalogin is, regardless of whether or not said node crash/login actually happens.
My guess is (altho it's hard to guess what goes on in his mind), that he was referring to the presence of the GM.
In other words, he petitioned us for nodeh4xoring and got a GM to come watch or something.
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: Blacklight
14. On Sunday night there were 3 BS for sale in Paragon Soul, ASCN could not resupply.
Most of your OP is perfectly factual, but you don't actually believe they buy their BS off the market do you, rather than supplying all ships internally?
ASCN don't need a stocked market to resupply, and you know it.
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Robert Dobbs
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
Most of your OP is perfectly factual, but you don't actually believe they buy their BS off the market do you, rather than supplying all ships internally?
ASCN don't need a stocked market to resupply, and you know it.
We do know that they use escrow, and we do know that supplies are running dry.
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Originally by: CYVOK
If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain.
-CYVOK-
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Louisa Torres
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Kaleeb
Would you say that bob do not and will never use exploits or very questionable tactics BL?
What kind of troll question is that, Kaleeb?
We've made the statement you seek millions of times without being prompted.
Would CELES join us in saing it?
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Louisa Torres
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Blacklight
14. On Sunday night there were 3 BS for sale in Paragon Soul, ASCN could not resupply.
Most of your OP is perfectly factual, but you don't actually believe they buy their BS off the market do you, rather than supplying all ships internally?
ASCN don't need a stocked market to resupply, and you know it.
That includes escrow supply, which ASCN HC have been screaming for.
3 bs, across market and across escrow. And yes, that IS how they work.
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Blacklight
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Blacklight
14. On Sunday night there were 3 BS for sale in Paragon Soul, ASCN could not resupply.
Most of your OP is perfectly factual, but you don't actually believe they buy their BS off the market do you, rather than supplying all ships internally?
ASCN don't need a stocked market to resupply, and you know it.
My bad, I should have said Escrow/Market. Here's a little further enlightenment though.
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2006.10.09 22:11
KEEP YOUR PROMISES!!!
From an FC:
I shouldn't have to say this to my own alliance members but I have tried to deal with at least 7 people from posts/ contacts here and not 1 ascn
member has followed through on their promise.
This is bull**** guys, I see you mining during all hands calls and I don't say **** because I expect your doing it to help the alliance. Well the FC's
can't find ships and our t2 support supply is pathetic.
For all the people claiming they are mining & producing there isn't **** on escrow for us to buy at reduce rates.
I don't have time to source new ships after my 1st 5 losses!
If you really wanna help put up ships in GQ2, we need BS badly and t2 fittings for a bs, t2 support ships (hacs, ton's of inties, af) etc.... BOOB is
out ship classing us by a ton.
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zeKzn
Empire of Destiny
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:20:00 -
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Edited by: zeKzn on 10/10/2006 19:20:10
Originally by: Rod Blaine
Originally by: zeKzn
i want to know what this 'effective' counter to a node crash + instalogin is, regardless of whether or not said node crash/login actually happens.
My guess is (altho it's hard to guess what goes on in his mind), that he was referring to the presence of the GM.
In other words, he petitioned us for nodeh4xoring and got a GM to come watch or something.
oh 
i was hoping it was something exciting and cutting edge
edit: like a rented supercomputer!
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DETOVI
Caldari
FATAL REVELATIONS
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:22:00 -
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I gotta say... love the sigs 
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John McCreedy
Caldari
Eve Defence Force
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:22:00 -
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oooh BoB's smacking me. I feel so special 
Make a Difference
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Randay
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra
summary plz
Originally by: Blacklight
I am the Pope.
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Originally by: Reddari
Now just be nice before I start to make life for the BOB devs (yes you have some) harder by exposing their player characters.
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Kaleeb
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Louisa Torres
Originally by: Kaleeb
Would you say that bob do not and will never use exploits or very questionable tactics BL?
What kind of troll question is that, Kaleeb?
We've made the statement you seek millions of times without being prompted.
Would CELES join us in saing it?
I didnt intend it to be a trolling reply and I try to post respectfully whenever I enter a thread either involving celes or not. ( I hope that has been understood)
I havent seen bob say that before, and if you have then I have simply missed it, I dont understand what your implying about celes but if your talking about exploits then I have never been involved in them and if I saw them going on in celes I would probably ask for the people are kicked.
So back to the orginal (not meant as a troll or a flame) would you say that bob dont use exploits or questionable tactics?
Originally by: Blacklight
Last night was an 'anomoly' for different reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with skill or who were the better pvpers.
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Robert Dobbs
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: Kaleeb
So back to the orginal (not meant as a troll or a flame) would you say that bob dont use exploits or questionable tactics?
We do not use exploits.
"Questionable tactics?", well, I **** on first date.
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Originally by: CYVOK
If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain.
-CYVOK-
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Louisa Torres
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:25:00 -
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Edited by: Louisa Torres on 10/10/2006 19:25:22
Originally by: Kaleeb
...if your talking about exploits then I have never been involved in them and if I saw them going on in celes I would probably ask for the people are kicked.
That answer will do fine, cheers :)
edit: one amendment - I wouldn't say "probably", I'd say definitely.
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Louisa Torres
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: John McCreedy
I feel so special
People suffering from delusion generally do.
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Drakma
Celestial Fleet
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:27:00 -
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Awesome, thanks for posting it here, I've been unable to find that blog as I'm having internet issues atm.
It's a good read. 10/10
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Crimsonjade
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:27:00 -
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im impressed Blacklight... you havnt passed out and gotten killed at a moon yet
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:28:00 -
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I find most of John's post perfectly reasoned. Obviously, its biased. It would be, that is expected.
I find it more distrubing that you take an internal ASCN forum post, make it public, then respond to it publically. This would be more appropriately handled on your own forum, but then, you guys have proved to be utterly devoid of morality and honour in this fight so far. Why start now?
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: Blacklight
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Blacklight
14. On Sunday night there were 3 BS for sale in Paragon Soul, ASCN could not resupply.
Most of your OP is perfectly factual, but you don't actually believe they buy their BS off the market do you, rather than supplying all ships internally?
ASCN don't need a stocked market to resupply, and you know it.
My bad, I should have said Escrow/Market. Here's a little further enlightenment though.
Quote:
2006.10.09 22:11
KEEP YOUR PROMISES!!!
From an FC:
I shouldn't have to say this to my own alliance members but I have tried to deal with at least 7 people from posts/ contacts here and not 1 ascn
member has followed through on their promise.
This is bull**** guys, I see you mining during all hands calls and I don't say **** because I expect your doing it to help the alliance. Well the FC's
can't find ships and our t2 support supply is pathetic.
For all the people claiming they are mining & producing there isn't **** on escrow for us to buy at reduce rates.
I don't have time to source new ships after my 1st 5 losses!
If you really wanna help put up ships in GQ2, we need BS badly and t2 fittings for a bs, t2 support ships (hacs, ton's of inties, af) etc.... BOOB is
out ship classing us by a ton.
Fair enough, thanks for that info :)
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Omeega
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Einkeisel
hey if you want to make daily posts about your battles id be happy to read them 
:)
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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Dr Einkeisel
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:31:00 -
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hey if you want to make daily posts about your battles id be happy to read them
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Louisa Torres
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: Omeega
You don't want me to make a daily thread about who creamster or fedor kills daily and how the fight went with the advice of the killed guy.
Sure we do, what do we care? We just won't read it.
There's some advice in there, Omeega. Don't like it, bored of the spam?
Don't read it then.
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Omeega
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Louisa Torres
Originally by: Omeega
You don't want me to make a daily thread about who creamster or fedor kills daily and how the fight went with the advice of the killed guy.
Sure we do, what do we care? We just won't read it.
There's some advice in there, Omeega. Don't like it, bored of the spam?
Don't read it then.
You took it as an attack and you shouldn't have.
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:33:00 -
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BoB may talk ****e on the forums, but I love the new sigs. Very funny.
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Kai'Lee
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:34:00 -
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the boob [T]actial [I]nvasion [T]eam is in full flow 
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Louisa Torres
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:35:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Omeega
Originally by: Louisa Torres
Originally by: Omeega
You don't want me to make a daily thread about who creamster or fedor kills daily and how the fight went with the advice of the killed guy.
Sure we do, what do we care? We just won't read it.
There's some advice in there, Omeega. Don't like it, bored of the spam?
Don't read it then.
You took it as an attack and you shouldn't have.
I didn't take it as an attack, chap, just making the usual generic response to people that complain about others using the forums ;)
If you weren't complaining then, erm, oh? 
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Kaleeb
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:35:00 -
[38]
I think that would depends on what the pilot did dont u think? Anyway this thread isnt about celes but thankyou robert for answering my question about bob & exploits/questionable tactics.
Originally by: Blacklight
Last night was an 'anomoly' for different reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with skill or who were the better pvpers.
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Der Pfaffe
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:36:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Blacklight
Edited by: Blacklight on 10/10/2006 19:05:52
Quote:
The BoB war (by John Mccreedy)
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Then came Sunday. We where presented with an oppurtunity again to deal another damaging morale blow to BoB but could we get the personnel? This is why we got mad. Hermot and I spent the whole day trying to gather forces to TCAG in order to hold this system and make another push. Because we only managed to get at our peak 44 BS out of 100 in gang out of 470 people in the Alliance chat, we lost the iniative.....
lots of stuff snipped...
Personally I believe the above paragraph is more interesting than all the rest. This is beginning to sound like the old Xetic Federation which is the reason AF formed is it not...?
"470 people on alliance chat only 100 in gang..." sounds like a familier lament.
Is AF getting top heavy with industrialists... Are the *****s between the PvPer's and Carebears beginning to show? .... (music) dan da dan daaaaan... Is this the beginning of the end...? Who knows... who cares... Should I stop drinking during the week...?
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HostageTaker
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:36:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Butter Dog
I find most of John's post perfectly reasoned. Obviously, its biased. It would be, that is expected.
I find it more distrubing that you take an internal ASCN forum post, make it public, then respond to it publically. This would be more appropriately handled on your own forum, but then, you guys have proved to be utterly devoid of morality and honour in this fight so far. Why start now?
My heart bleeds for you, really it does...
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Omeega
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:36:00 -
[41]
You swallow propaganda like a birth control pill
Selling your soul to the eye on the back of the dollar bill
But that will never be me, cause I am leaving the past
Like an abused wife with the kids, leaving your ass
Like a drug addict clean and sober, leaving the stash
Unbreakable Technique leaving the plane crash
I'm out with the black box and I refuse to return
I spit reality, instead of what you usually learn
And I refuse to be concerned with condecending advice
Cause I am the only motherf**ker that could change my life
Immortal Technique,
Revolutionnary Volume 2.
A def. must have for ASCN members - they'll need it.
(i thought of it and imho i know youguys won't stop so at least i give them a morale trick)
Can I?
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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Admiral Feelgood
Even-Flow
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:37:00 -
[42]
Here's the summary for the guy who wanted it.
Originally by: BoB
Originally by: ASCN
Poorly made propaganda
Slightly better counter-propaganda
Par for the course really.
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Rod Blaine
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:38:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Butter Dog
I find most of John's post perfectly reasoned. Obviously, its biased. It would be, that is expected.
I find it more distrubing that you take an internal ASCN forum post, make it public, then respond to it publically. This would be more appropriately handled on your own forum, but then, you guys have proved to be utterly devoid of morality and honour in this fight so far. Why start now?
Haha.
Sorry Butter Dog, but you're seriously losing it now m8. I believe most people see me as a somewhat level headed forum *****, especially in comparison to some of my alliance friends, but I'm sure most of that reputation would be gone with the wind as soon as I described Mccreedy's post as "perfectly reasoned".
I mean c'mon, his logic is flawed, his argument is incorrectly constructed and he makes leaps in his argumentation no sane player can follow. Perfectly reasoned my ass.
As to our morality, we simply have different views then. I believe that Eve is about power. Information is power, and any source directly related to gameplay may in my eyes be considered a source of gathering it as long as you keep within legal and TOS/EULA limits.
Old blog |
Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:41:00 -
[44]
Originally by: HostageTaker
Originally by: Butter Dog
I find most of John's post perfectly reasoned. Obviously, its biased. It would be, that is expected.
I find it more distrubing that you take an internal ASCN forum post, make it public, then respond to it publically. This would be more appropriately handled on your own forum, but then, you guys have proved to be utterly devoid of morality and honour in this fight so far. Why start now?
My heart bleeds for you, really it does...
You're confusing me for someone who cares.
I just find all this interesting, as I'm not directly involved I couldn't care less who actually wins. I tend to end up 'debating' with BoB members more, as you guys flame a lot on the forums in a fairly agressive manner.
I just like *****ing the bubble of your forum warrior egos, by responding to them with more reasoned posts than they are used to handling, thats all. Its a nice way to pass a few minutes at work.
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Omeega
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:41:00 -
[45]
rod.
your sig owns man.
i def need one with kournikova and eve-forums...
hmm tough...
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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zeKzn
Empire of Destiny
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:41:00 -
[46]
Edited by: zeKzn on 10/10/2006 19:40:55
Originally by: Rod Blaine
Haha.
Sorry Butter Dog, but you're seriously losing it now m8. I believe most people see me as a somewhat level headed forum *****, especially in comparison to some of my alliance friends, but I'm sure most of that reputation would be gone with the wind as soon as I described Mccreedy's post as "perfectly reasoned".
I mean c'mon, his logic is flawed, his argument is incorrectly constructed and he makes leaps in his argumentation no sane player can follow. Perfectly reasoned my ass.
As to our morality, we simply have different views then. I believe that Eve is about power. Information is power, and any source directly related to gameplay may in my eyes be considered a source of gathering it as long as you keep within legal and TOS/EULA limits.
Not as a flame or anything, but what exactly is the correct way of constructing an argument? The other two points are obvious but I didn't see anything that leapt out at me like "woops that should go there instead"
edit: i cant spell
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:43:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Rod Blaine
As to our morality, we simply have different views then. I believe that Eve is about power.
I believe that EVE is a game.
I would never use out of game resources (voice recordings, private forums etc) to prove an in-game point. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Perhaps that is where we differ, but I am confident that I sit on the more honourable side of the fence on this issue.
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Lexor SLice
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:44:00 -
[48]
 butter dog for president. almost as delusional as the one i already have
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zeKzn
Empire of Destiny
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:45:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Butter Dog
but I am confident that I sit on the more honourable side of the fence on this issue.
as someone in another thread once said, morals are just selfish desires with nicer paint.
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Admiral Feelgood
Even-Flow
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:45:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Rod Blaine
As to our morality, we simply have different views then. I believe that Eve is about power.
I believe that EVE is a game.
I would never use out of game resources (voice recordings, private forums etc) to prove an in-game point. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Perhaps that is where we differ, but I am confident that I sit on the more honourable side of the fence on this issue.
You are wrong, and aggresive, and inflamatory. I see you in just about every ASCN/BoB thread, if they honestly bother you that much it'd probably be a good idea just not to click the topic.
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Goberth Ludwig
eXceed Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:45:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Crucifier
We care, really, we do!
I thought this day would never come - QFT on crucifier :D
Blacklight look what your forum abuse has done
(on a serious note, I have refrained from joining the smack war till now but arent you exagerating with the sheer number of treats? )
- Gob
[IXC] Admiral Goberius |
kahle
Paralex Research
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:45:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Lexor SLice
butter dog for president. almost as delusional as the one i already have
and so bobs reasoned discussion continues...
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Dark Matter
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:46:00 -
[53]
Originally by: John McCreedy
oooh BoB's smacking me. I feel so special
Bob isn't smacking you John, they're laughing at you like the members of your own corp do. Blacklight is just giveing the wider Eve community the chance to see what the joke is.
Btw have you poded anyone lately for talking to me?
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Auman
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:46:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Crimsonjade
im impressed Blacklight... you havnt passed out and gotten killed at a moon yet
There is still plenty of time tbh!
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:47:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Admiral Feelgood
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Rod Blaine
As to our morality, we simply have different views then. I believe that Eve is about power.
I believe that EVE is a game.
I would never use out of game resources (voice recordings, private forums etc) to prove an in-game point. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Perhaps that is where we differ, but I am confident that I sit on the more honourable side of the fence on this issue.
You are wrong, and aggresive, and inflamatory. I see you in just about every ASCN/BoB thread, if they honestly bother you that much it'd probably be a good idea just not to click the topic.
Its a public forum, so I'll do whatever I wish, thank you
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Rod Blaine
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:48:00 -
[56]
Originally by: zeKzn
Not as a flame or anything, but what exactly is the correct way of constructing an argument? The other two points are obvious but I didn't see anything that leapt out at me like "woops that should go there instead"
edit: i cant spell
Normally, you'd expect someone that leaps to a conclusion about the way in which something works (conclusion is [bob are causing it by way of exploit] for the effect that is [nodecrash]), to support his conclusion.
Mccreedy not only offers his conclusion very early on in his argumentation, which isn't very [productive unless well founded and explained, he also offers not a single shred of explanation as to why he drew that conclusion in the first place.
That means that be is basing his argumentation on an incompletely documented assumption. That's an error in construction.
Old blog |
Verone
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:48:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Shin Ra
summary plz
Originally by: Blacklight
OMG We R Teh Killz0r HobbitZ!11one Tehy Serverz R Sux!11one!1
BACKSTORY AND FAN FICTION
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Rod Blaine
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:53:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Rod Blaine
As to our morality, we simply have different views then. I believe that Eve is about power.
I believe that EVE is a game.
I would never use out of game resources (voice recordings, private forums etc) to prove an in-game point. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Perhaps that is where we differ, but I am confident that I sit on the more honourable side of the fence on this issue.
That's funny, you do after all use out of game resources to play the game to it's full effect right ?
Or don't you use TS in pvp, databases in pve or industry and these forums in politics ?
Like I said, we wimply differ in opinion. I believe power is one fo the main goals in this game. I also believe that what you call out of game resources are no longer so much out of game. If I use it to win in pvp, it must be part of the game no ? If it is, it's also part of the whole of it. Ergo: spying being part of the game means spying on someones forums or even TS is too, within the restrictions I mentioned.
I'm not here to hurt people in RL, and I don't really believe I'm doing so when quoting a post from a private forum as part of what I see as Eve gameplay. the word "gameplay" should be a dead giveaway tbh.
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:56:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Randay
Originally by: Shin Ra
summary plz
Originally by: Blacklight
I am the Pope.
Nice one, I haven't read any of the posts, but this thread has satisfied me now.
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kahle
Paralex Research
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:56:00 -
[60]
Edited by: kahle on 10/10/2006 19:56:25
this is turning into the Rod n Dog show
edit: however that isnt so bad, at least there is substance in the posts 
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dralid
Vortex.
Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:56:00 -
[61]
BoB .. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Do YOU know, the Whirlwind?
HERE |
Rod Blaine
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:57:00 -
[62]
Originally by: kahle
Edited by: kahle on 10/10/2006 19:56:25
this is turning into the Rod n Dog show
edit: however that isnt so bad, at least there is substance in the posts
I'll stop then, because this should not become anything else then what it was:
The John Mccreedy show
Old blog |
Dr Einkeisel
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:58:00 -
[63]
"Imemerse yourself in the vast virgin territories of EVE where power is the Holy Grail and the ultimate aphrodisiac. Conceive a new life without boundaries, where murder, plunder, betayal and delusion of grandeur will lead you to boundless glory or to the brink of ruin. The galaxy is yours to control if you have the brains strenght and cunning to succeed"
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Darknesss
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2006.10.10 19:59:00 -
[64]
ive noticed the BoB killboard is not entirely accurate 
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Rod Blaine
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 20:02:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Darknesss
ive noticed the BoB killboard is not entirely accurate
Holy crap !
A Divine Revelation !
You know the drill, substance or abstinence please.
and mail the responsible ceo if you've actually found the substance (not the one you're high on no).
Old blog |
ponieus
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 20:03:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: Randay
Originally by: Shin Ra
summary plz
Originally by: Blacklight
I am the Pope.
Nice one, I haven't read any of the posts, but this thread has satisfied me now.
wtf... really.. say its not so..
satified and shin ra in one sentence..
/emote thinks about quiting eve now
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HostageTaker
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 20:04:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Dr Einkeisel
"Imemerse yourself in the vast virgin territories of EVE where power is the Holy Grail and the ultimate aphrodisiac. Conceive a new life without boundaries, where murder, plunder, betayal and delusion of grandeur will lead you to boundless glory or to the brink of ruin. The galaxy is yours to control if you have the brains strenght and cunning to succeed"
This will probably fly over Butter Dog's head anyway, I doubt he has the original game box from 2003; him being a 2005 char. (394 days ingame)
Oh and omg! If you flip the box cover open there is horrid and immoral word!! "SPY!"
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Butter Dog
The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2006.10.10 20:04:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Rod Blaine
That's funny, you do after all use out of game resources to play the game to it's full effect right ?
Or don't you use TS in pvp, databases in pve or industry and these forums in politics ?
Like I said, we wimply differ in opinion. I believe power is one fo the main goals in this game. I also believe that what you call out of game resources are no longer so much out of game. If I use it to win in pvp, it must be part of the game no ? If it is, it's also part of the whole of it. Ergo: spying being part of the game means spying on someones forums or even TS is too, within the restrictions I mentioned.
I'm not here to hurt people in RL, and I don't really believe I'm doing so when quoting a post from a private forum as part of what I see as Eve gameplay. the word "gameplay" should be a dead giveaway tbh.
Of course, using an out-of-game resource to play the game is perfectly acceptable. There is, however, a distinct difference between that and accessing a private voice server or forum, and then circulating that information on a public site such as this one.
People will talk and indeed type differently if they believe they are addressing a private audience. Clearly, they never intended their voice or their text to be published for all to view.
Its a violation of a certain level of privacy, which I believe one is entitled to. You are perfectly able to disagree, but the very fact that someone would go to such lengths for the purposes of 'propaganada' rather than spying from a tactical perspective is very questionable.
You are not using this private data simply for your own tactical benefit, you are communicating this data to a public audience. That is morally unjustifiable, in my view, and speaks poorly of your alliance.
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Pehova Mindtriq
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2006.10.10 20:04:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Shin Ra
summary plz
BL quotes a ascn leader about the fight in tpar. Basiclly it's most about fleet numbers and how well bob performs and how poor ascn is doing. Oh and some talks about exploits with node crashing and POS towers. Not really worth going through the quotes unless you are involved I think.
Celes/Toxin vs BOB |
Bazman
Caldari
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.10 20:05:00 -
[70]
I predict this thread will be 30 pages when I wake up for work tommorrow.
Do enjoy it though, the forums make the game :P
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firefreeze
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Posted - 2006.10.10 20:07:00 -
[71]
Hmm.. anyyone else notice that this is pretty much nothing but flamebait and trolling AND a personal attack on someone in the game....
Yet it's not being locked by the mods?
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Dynast
Knights of Red Mars
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Posted - 2006.10.10 20:09:00 -
[72]
Edited by: Dynast on 10/10/2006 20:09:18
Originally by: Admiral Feelgood
You are wrong, and aggresive, and inflamatory. I see you in just about every ASCN/BoB thread, if they honestly bother you that much it'd probably be a good idea just not to click the topic.
So, the correct response to a display of questionable ethics is to ignore it and pretend it doesn't exist?
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Louisa Torres
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 20:09:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Rod Blaine
That's funny, you do after all use out of game resources to play the game to it's full effect right ?
Or don't you use TS in pvp, databases in pve or industry and these forums in politics ?
Like I said, we wimply differ in opinion. I believe power is one fo the main goals in this game. I also believe that what you call out of game resources are no longer so much out of game. If I use it to win in pvp, it must be part of the game no ? If it is, it's also part of the whole of it. Ergo: spying being part of the game means spying on someones forums or even TS is too, within the restrictions I mentioned.
I'm not here to hurt people in RL, and I don't really believe I'm doing so when quoting a post from a private forum as part of what I see as Eve gameplay. the word "gameplay" should be a dead giveaway tbh.
Of course, using an out-of-game resource to play the game is perfectly acceptable. There is, however, a distinct difference between that and accessing a private voice server or forum, and then circulating that information on a public site such as this one.
People will talk and indeed type differently if they believe they are addressing a private audience. Clearly, they never intended their voice or their text to be published for all to view.
Its a violation of a certain level of privacy, which I believe one is entitled to. You are perfectly able to disagree, but the very fact that someone would go to such lengths for the purposes of 'propaganada' rather than spying from a tactical perspective is very questionable.
You are not using this private data simply for your own tactical benefit, you are communicating this data to a public audience. That is morally unjustifiable, in my view, and speaks poorly of your alliance.
You've been over this before. We don't care. We're not going to start to care and you're completely off-topic, again, because YOU don't agree with.
Feel free to drag your own thread off-topic, so we can concentrate all our laughter in one place.
Thanks.
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Val Oman
Delta Desperados
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Posted - 2006.10.10 20:11:00 -
[74]
Over these last few weeks this ASCN -vs- BoB thing has been nothing but a dissapointment. Instead of witnessing a grand conflict between the games most accomplished PvP alliance and the games most accomplished empire alliance, it has been nothing but a mess of in-game failures (CCPs fault) and out of game propaganda, smack and suspect gamesmanship. It really would have been nice to see these two entities set the example of what a good large scale conflict can be like, but instead, thanks for nothing guys :(.
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Beringe
Raptus Regaliter
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Posted - 2006.10.10 20:14:00 -
[75]
Man...450 BSes is a lot. And it's hitting the ASCN pvp crowd, too, not the leechers.
Meh, I guess nobody is particularly surprised how this turned out. Amazing amount of bitterness, from both sides, though.
Perhaps one of these days we'll see BoB go full-scale invasion against another equal force, but for now we can just watch how far they are willing to outroot the hobbits.
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Kcel Chim
Caldari
Arcane Technologies
The Five
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Posted - 2006.10.10 20:16:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Butter Dog
stuff
the mods stated the last time already they dont want any legal or privacy rights debate on this forum. If you disagree with Rod evemail him ingame as anything else will only lead to the mods removing posts and wasted time from anyone participating in that discussion.
You stated yourself many times that ure not part of this conflict so with all honesty i dont see how you can be offended. Especially since we both know full well all sides in this game use the same ways of spying. Spying as stated by the devs is part of the game and once Voicechat will be coded into the UI spying will take place on voicechat aswell. Only question will be if its recordable or relayable.
Btw out of game forums = alliancemail/alliancechat. Both contain messages restricted to your OWN alliance. So spying with a valid login works the same way as spying on your alliancemail/channels via a logged in altspy char.
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Roxanna Kell
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.10.10 20:17:00 -
[77]
Originally by: John McCreedy
oooh BoB's smacking me. I feel so special
shouldnt you be recruiting more members?
Quote:
"Don't touch the red button!"
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Murukan
Minmatar
The Priory
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.10 20:17:00 -
[78]
I would like to thank whoever made the bob signatures as now we do not have to see that old ***** in Louise's sig anymore
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zeKzn
Empire of Destiny
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Posted - 2006.10.10 20:18:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Murukan
I would like to thank whoever made the bob signatures as now we do not have to see that old ***** in Louise's sig anymore
qft, by god she was ugly.
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Yazoul Samaiel
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 20:19:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Val Oman
Over these last few weeks this ASCN -vs- BoB thing has been nothing but a dissapointment. Instead of witnessing a grand conflict between the games most accomplished PvP alliance and the games most accomplished empire alliance, it has been nothing but a mess of in-game failures (CCPs fault) and out of game propaganda, smack and suspect gamesmanship. It really would have been nice to see these two entities set the example of what a good large scale conflict can be like, but instead, thanks for nothing guys :(.
Errr, Nope , this is exactly what this game has been missing which is huge conflict between 2 of the Great 3 enetites that every one was begging for to watch for ages on these boards and now we have started it . As for game mechanics every little joe who plays this game knows that CCP doesnt and no one even has the technology to support 300 Vs 300 lag free fleet fights or wars so why should this be any different?
ASCN are whining about lag and node crashes all day long , but do u see BOB whining about it ? Difference is we adapt and evolve , during several battels i crashed and lagged out like 4 or 5 times per battel yet again do u see me whining about it ? I keep my whining in corp chat and alliance :P
If ppl think this thread is boring and not what they have been asking for for the past 2 months then simply dotn read it and spare the useless spam .
If ppl think we use exploits and cheat and hax plz feel free to open a petion and have the proper entities to investigate us.
If PPL think we are not putting up our losses or faking killmails , feel free to mail the corp CEO and it WILL BE DEALT with .
"There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"
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HostageTaker
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 20:20:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Val Oman
Over these last few weeks this ASCN -vs- BoB thing has been nothing but a dissapointment. Instead of witnessing a grand conflict between the games most accomplished PvP alliance and the games most accomplished empire alliance, it has been nothing but a mess of in-game failures (CCPs fault) and out of game propaganda, smack and suspect gamesmanship. It really would have been nice to see these two entities set the example of what a good large scale conflict can be like, but instead, thanks for nothing guys :(.
I wasn't aware that we're here for your personal amusement, you want something more polished and fuzzy? Look into a Polaris event... I hear they're giving out Motherships for hauling items from point A to point B.
You want something that is player driven; real and raw? You take what you get here and other galnet communication channels.
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Stockarian
eXceed Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.10 20:23:00 -
[82]
Edited by: Stockarian on 10/10/2006 20:23:31
Edited by: Stockarian on 10/10/2006 20:23:14
I don't see ascn whining
Athelas Loraiel > "This isn't a fleet, we're only the appetizer."
Cheers, Stock
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Pestillence
Chav-Scum
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Posted - 2006.10.10 20:24:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Blacklight
Then came the lag. More precisely, the exploits used by BoB in ordered to crash the node and insta-log back on again in order to kill our fleet.
Thats classic.
I know BoB's reporting is a bit biased but I see lots of facts inbetween that make me smile.
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Elessa
Minmatar
Hellfire-Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.10 20:34:00 -
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Interesting read, but where did you get these quotes? I mean with all of the propaganda machine your alliance is running I cannot really believe quotes when I don't have access to the orignal source. A year or two back, no problem, but under now under the current circumstances (and increased forum 'ab'usage of BoB members) I cannot take your word just for granted. If the information is taken out of internal forums, good for you to have access to your enemies informations network, but for people just trying to get an idea about what is happening in the south it is a bit of to unsecure information.
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welsh wizard
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2006.10.10 20:37:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel
Originally by: Val Oman
Over these last few weeks this ASCN -vs- BoB thing has been nothing but a dissapointment. Instead of witnessing a grand conflict between the games most accomplished PvP alliance and the games most accomplished empire alliance, it has been nothing but a mess of in-game failures (CCPs fault) and out of game propaganda, smack and suspect gamesmanship. It really would have been nice to see these two entities set the example of what a good large scale conflict can be like, but instead, thanks for nothing guys :(.
Errr, Nope , this is exactly what this game has been missing which is huge conflict between 2 of the Great 3 enetites that every one was begging for to watch for ages on these boards and now we have started it . As for game mechanics every little joe who plays this game knows that CCP doesnt and no one even has the technology to support 300 Vs 300 lag free fleet fights or wars so why should this be any different?
ASCN are whining about lag and node crashes all day long , but do u see BOB whining about it ? Difference is we adapt and evolve , during several battels i crashed and lagged out like 4 or 5 times per battel yet again do u see me whining about it ? I keep my whining in corp chat and alliance :P
If ppl think this thread is boring and not what they have been asking for for the past 2 months then simply dotn read it and spare the useless spam .
If ppl think we use exploits and cheat and hax plz feel free to open a petion and have the proper entities to investigate us.
If PPL think we are not putting up our losses or faking killmails , feel free to mail the corp CEO and it WILL BE DEALT with .
How could you possibly disagree with that post? Smack for smacks sake.
Originally by: anonymous
If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
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Zhaine
B e l l u m
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Posted - 2006.10.10 20:37:00 -
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Heh, seems pretty obvious that, whatever people may jokingly say, BoB are indeed fighting a forum war as part of the wider morale war. . .
To me (and while I believe I'm right I admit I could be sprouting utter turd), it seems BoB have rightly identified their own strengths (high individual competance, good FCs, richness etc) and ASCN's strengths (POS spam ability, numbers, richness also) as well as their weakness (numbers) and ASCN's (Inferior fleet command, inferior indivual pilot skill, "overpopulation" or weak-PvPers or industrials).
They've also identified what wars in Eve are primarily about. That is morale, and breaking the enemie's morale to a point where they split/implode/explode/melt away/whatever metaphore you want to use (this I know I'm right about).
Given this they've embarked on a campaign that involves:
1 - Ensuring high K-D ratio (using their strength of skill/FCing and ASCN's "overpopulation" weakness)
2 - Not (yet) getting bogged down assaulting a system, and I've seen what a morale drain assaulting a well defended system is (recognising their weakness of lower numbers/ASCN's strength of isk/logistics/POS)
3 - P*ssing off and getting in the way of ASCN and their members at every available opportunity, and I've seen no good evidence they use anything other than decent enough game mechanics to do so (again using their strength in more competant command and general indvidual skill)
4 - Fueled by 1 and 3, huge propaganda saturation. These forum posts arn't about ego (no one could have one that big :p) or about BoB's reputation in Eve (I'm sure they'd like to be respected given the choice but feared is close enough), they're about disheartening ASCN to the point where people leave or (more likely) don't log in/fight. BoB, whatever poeple say, are rather good at this. They'll post internal forum stuff/blogs, exaggerate (as does everyone), lie (yes, you do, we're not stupid and again everyone does) and present it well and cleverly (see the new forum sigs for eg).
ASCN, by comparison, launched what seems on limited evidence to be a failed and over hasty attack, and have some minor internal issues with participation.
Therefore I would call it BoB - 1 ASCN - 0 atm.
But that's not to say this war has even got past it's infancy, and ASCN have time to adapt their play to compliment their strengths and BoB's weaknesses.
And to BoB, if I'm right, well done on a well though out and coherant start to the "Great War of the Pendulum" or whatever you want to call it. I know no BoB is gonna tell me I'm right, as it would go against the nature of their forum tactics.
And again I might be sprouting nonsense but I think there's some truth in it, I enjoy it and I hope it makes a vaguely interesting read.
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maGz
The Priory
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.10 20:47:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Val Oman
Over these last few weeks this ASCN -vs- BoB thing has been nothing but a dissapointment. Instead of witnessing a grand conflict between the games most accomplished PvP alliance and the games most accomplished empire alliance, it has been nothing but a mess of in-game failures (CCPs fault) and out of game propaganda, smack and suspect gamesmanship. It really would have been nice to see these two entities set the example of what a good large scale conflict can be like, but instead, thanks for nothing guys :(.
QFT... Not really much to say here. With nodes going down left and right, one can do nothing but read the forums  And so far it has been greatly disappointing to read posts from either side
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Louisa Torres
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 20:52:00 -
[88]
Originally by: welsh wizard
How could you possibly disagree with that post? Smack for smacks sake.
The way he put it was a bit out there, admittedly, but his overall message was spot on.
Before this, forums were dead. Now they're alive again.
I know my days are flowing past alot quicker now whilst engaging in the good old forum wars.
You guys do the same, WW, else why did Darth post the fountain thread? To really invite people to fountain?
yeah, righto.
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DETOVI
Caldari
FATAL REVELATIONS
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.10.10 20:54:00 -
[89]
Originally by: firefreeze
this is pretty much nothing but flamebait and trolling AND a personal attack on someone in the game..
Yet it's not being locked by the mods?
Don't you know? BoB threads get to last a wee bit longer than other flame-filled ones.
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Louisa Torres
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 21:00:00 -
[90]
Originally by: DETOVI
Originally by: firefreeze
this is pretty much nothing but flamebait and trolling AND a personal attack on someone in the game..
Yet it's not being locked by the mods?
Don't you know? BoB threads get to last a wee bit longer than other flame-filled ones.
We're too busy flaming you to log our mod accounts and moderate
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Robet Katrix
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2006.10.10 21:01:00 -
[91]
threads like this are way people ***** about bob progaganda.
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XoPhyte
Out Siders
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.10 21:01:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Val Oman
Over these last few weeks this ASCN -vs- BoB thing has been nothing but a dissapointment. Instead of witnessing a grand conflict between the games most accomplished PvP alliance and the games most accomplished empire alliance, it has been nothing but a mess of in-game failures (CCPs fault) and out of game propaganda, smack and suspect gamesmanship. It really would have been nice to see these two entities set the example of what a good large scale conflict can be like, but instead, thanks for nothing guys :(.
Agreed.
And sadly, this is the most intelligent post I have read in these forums for weeks.
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Kozak
Caldari
Species 5618
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.10 21:17:00 -
[93]
It's not BoB propaganda, it's BoB members climaxing on their computer screens. Nothing more.
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Louisa Torres
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 21:18:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Kozak
It's not BoB propaganda, it's BoB members climaxing on their computer screens. Nothing more.
It just keeps cumming and cumming.
Don't forget to gargle.
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Amarr knight
LoneStar Industries
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.10.10 21:28:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Rod Blaine
Originally by: kahle
Edited by: kahle on 10/10/2006 19:56:25
this is turning into the Rod n Dog show
edit: however that isnt so bad, at least there is substance in the posts
I'll stop then, because this should not become anything else then what it was:
The John Mccreedy show
I am not going to comment on the original post as its pointless. This was never really "The John Mccreedy show", Its a BOB show.
The post made in ASCN forum for ASCN members. IF it was in EVE-O, BOB has every right smack/curse the hell out of this mccreedy guy for its inaccuracy or whatever. But It wasnt.
So what if the post contains wrong information. Thats none of anyones business. Why did u guys bring this here in public forum? You care that ASCN leader is lying to its members? You are worried about their welfare?
Come on guys keep the fighting in battlefield, not in the forum.
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Kcel Chim
Caldari
Arcane Technologies
The Five
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Posted - 2006.10.10 21:35:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Amarr knight
So what if the post contains wrong information. Thats none of anyones business. Why did u guys bring this here in public forum? You care that ASCN leader is lying to its members? You are worried about their welfare?
Come on guys keep the fighting in battlefield, not in the forum.
Maybe they didnt like to be called exploiters, cheaters and Gm supported losers and wanted to clearify it through the only possible channel they have to broadcast it to the "average joe" in Ascn ?
If i was aware of someone slandering me i would sure as hell try to get it sorted. Not to mention the sideeffect it has on an enemy. Why should they let a lie live ?
They presented enough food of thought for every Ascn grunt to reconsider who is right or wrong. Atleast the guys get offered a second view. How would you feel if your alliance superiors lied to you balantly over and over and you find out via out of alliance sources ? Wouldnt you be offended or feel the need to clear things up ?
Dont ride the moral horse too much it doesnt suit you.
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Yazoul Samaiel
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 21:36:00 -
[97]
Originally by: welsh wizard
How could you possibly disagree with that post? Smack for smacks sake.
I realy dont see how what i said is smack I didnt insult anyone i just stated the obvious , maybe its my english then 
"There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"
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Eldo Davip
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.10.10 21:38:00 -
[98]
Enough of the flaming and trolling. Thread Locked
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Don ZOLA
Caldari
TunDraGon
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Posted - 2006.10.10 21:38:00 -
[99]
numerous times BOB (and some other alliances i guess) were blamed for having GMS, DEVS, ISD in their ranks. ofc not blamed just for having them but accuses r always that those ppl abuse their powers for alliance causes.
imho ppl who work for ccp, no matter r they paid or volunteers shouldnt be able to join alliances and affect other ppls playing by abusing their powers.
personally if i ever found that for example gm in corp A helped corp A to win a fight against my corp i would sue ccp...
too much ppl is complaining on those things so i think best would be to make some collective petition to get such ppl (with normal and "power" accs) out of alliances. it would be hard and prolly some would try to remain on such positions and in their alliances but then simply find new ppl for such jobs. im pretty sure with such a big number of players nowadays, u can find plenty of volunteers to do the job properly
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Rod Blaine
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 21:42:00 -
[100]
Quote:
The post made in ASCN forum for ASCN members. IF it was in EVE-O, BOB has every right smack/curse the hell out of this mccreedy guy for its inaccuracy or whatever. But It wasnt
So because we aren't ASCN members we are not allowed to counter lies and falsehoods spread about us, accusing us of widespread cheating and accusing CCP of employing corrupt personell, just because to do so we have to quote a post made on one private forum in another private forum ?
Or don't you think that other Eve players then those in BoB have a right to know what kind of delusional nonsense is spouted within ASCN command ? If they're not interested then that's their choice, but you can hardly fault us for taking this post by Mr Mccreedy into a domain where we are free to counter it within view of his intended audience.
And that wraps this subject up as far as I'm concerned. Goodnight.
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