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dralid Vortex. Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.10 19:56:00 - [61] BoB .. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz -- Do YOU know, the Whirlwind? HERE
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.10 19:57:00 - [62] Originally by: kahle Edited by: kahle on 10/10/2006 19:56:25 this is turning into the Rod n Dog show edit: however that isnt so bad, at least there is substance in the posts I'll stop then, because this should not become anything else then what it was: The John Mccreedy show Old blog
Dr Einkeisel Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.10 19:58:00 - [63] "Imemerse yourself in the vast virgin territories of EVE where power is the Holy Grail and the ultimate aphrodisiac. Conceive a new life without boundaries, where murder, plunder, betayal and delusion of grandeur will lead you to boundless glory or to the brink of ruin. The galaxy is yours to control if you have the brains strenght and cunning to succeed"
Darknesss D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.10.10 19:59:00 - [64] ive noticed the BoB killboard is not entirely accurate
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.10 20:02:00 - [65] Originally by: Darknesss ive noticed the BoB killboard is not entirely accurate Holy crap ! A Divine Revelation ! You know the drill, substance or abstinence please. and mail the responsible ceo if you've actually found the substance (not the one you're high on no). Old blog
ponieus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.10 20:03:00 - [66] Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: Randay Originally by: Shin Ra summary plz Originally by: Blacklight I am the Pope. Nice one, I haven't read any of the posts, but this thread has satisfied me now. wtf... really.. say its not so.. satified and shin ra in one sentence.. /emote thinks about quiting eve now ----------------------------------------------
HostageTaker Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.10 20:04:00 - [67] Originally by: Dr Einkeisel "Imemerse yourself in the vast virgin territories of EVE where power is the Holy Grail and the ultimate aphrodisiac. Conceive a new life without boundaries, where murder, plunder, betayal and delusion of grandeur will lead you to boundless glory or to the brink of ruin. The galaxy is yours to control if you have the brains strenght and cunning to succeed" This will probably fly over Butter Dog's head anyway, I doubt he has the original game box from 2003; him being a 2005 char. (394 days ingame) Oh and omg! If you flip the box cover open there is horrid and immoral word!! "SPY!" >>> EvE Online Wallpapers <<<
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.10 20:04:00 - [68] Originally by: Rod Blaine That's funny, you do after all use out of game resources to play the game to it's full effect right ? Or don't you use TS in pvp, databases in pve or industry and these forums in politics ? Like I said, we wimply differ in opinion. I believe power is one fo the main goals in this game. I also believe that what you call out of game resources are no longer so much out of game. If I use it to win in pvp, it must be part of the game no ? If it is, it's also part of the whole of it. Ergo: spying being part of the game means spying on someones forums or even TS is too, within the restrictions I mentioned. I'm not here to hurt people in RL, and I don't really believe I'm doing so when quoting a post from a private forum as part of what I see as Eve gameplay. the word "gameplay" should be a dead giveaway tbh. Of course, using an out-of-game resource to play the game is perfectly acceptable. There is, however, a distinct difference between that and accessing a private voice server or forum, and then circulating that information on a public site such as this one. People will talk and indeed type differently if they believe they are addressing a private audience. Clearly, they never intended their voice or their text to be published for all to view. Its a violation of a certain level of privacy, which I believe one is entitled to. You are perfectly able to disagree, but the very fact that someone would go to such lengths for the purposes of 'propaganada' rather than spying from a tactical perspective is very questionable. You are not using this private data simply for your own tactical benefit, you are communicating this data to a public audience. That is morally unjustifiable, in my view, and speaks poorly of your alliance.
Pehova Mindtriq Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.10.10 20:04:00 - [69] Originally by: Shin Ra summary plz BL quotes a ascn leader about the fight in tpar. Basiclly it's most about fleet numbers and how well bob performs and how poor ascn is doing. Oh and some talks about exploits with node crashing and POS towers. Not really worth going through the quotes unless you are involved I think. Celes/Toxin vs BOB
Bazman Caldari Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.10 20:05:00 - [70] I predict this thread will be 30 pages when I wake up for work tommorrow. Do enjoy it though, the forums make the game :P ----- Hi TUXFORD! Blasterboat for tier 3 Gallente battleship please! Make it look cool too. Thanks. I am a Gallente Whiner. Minmatar Whining is currently in training.
firefreeze	Posted - 2006.10.10 20:07:00 - [71] Hmm.. anyyone else notice that this is pretty much nothing but flamebait and trolling AND a personal attack on someone in the game.... Yet it's not being locked by the mods?
Dynast Knights of Red Mars	Posted - 2006.10.10 20:09:00 - [72] Edited by: Dynast on 10/10/2006 20:09:18 Originally by: Admiral Feelgood You are wrong, and aggresive, and inflamatory. I see you in just about every ASCN/BoB thread, if they honestly bother you that much it'd probably be a good idea just not to click the topic. So, the correct response to a display of questionable ethics is to ignore it and pretend it doesn't exist?
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.10 20:09:00 - [73] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Rod Blaine That's funny, you do after all use out of game resources to play the game to it's full effect right ? Or don't you use TS in pvp, databases in pve or industry and these forums in politics ? Like I said, we wimply differ in opinion. I believe power is one fo the main goals in this game. I also believe that what you call out of game resources are no longer so much out of game. If I use it to win in pvp, it must be part of the game no ? If it is, it's also part of the whole of it. Ergo: spying being part of the game means spying on someones forums or even TS is too, within the restrictions I mentioned. I'm not here to hurt people in RL, and I don't really believe I'm doing so when quoting a post from a private forum as part of what I see as Eve gameplay. the word "gameplay" should be a dead giveaway tbh. Of course, using an out-of-game resource to play the game is perfectly acceptable. There is, however, a distinct difference between that and accessing a private voice server or forum, and then circulating that information on a public site such as this one. People will talk and indeed type differently if they believe they are addressing a private audience. Clearly, they never intended their voice or their text to be published for all to view. Its a violation of a certain level of privacy, which I believe one is entitled to. You are perfectly able to disagree, but the very fact that someone would go to such lengths for the purposes of 'propaganada' rather than spying from a tactical perspective is very questionable. You are not using this private data simply for your own tactical benefit, you are communicating this data to a public audience. That is morally unjustifiable, in my view, and speaks poorly of your alliance. You've been over this before. We don't care. We're not going to start to care and you're completely off-topic, again, because YOU don't agree with. Feel free to drag your own thread off-topic, so we can concentrate all our laughter in one place. Thanks.
Val Oman Delta Desperados	Posted - 2006.10.10 20:11:00 - [74] Over these last few weeks this ASCN -vs- BoB thing has been nothing but a dissapointment. Instead of witnessing a grand conflict between the games most accomplished PvP alliance and the games most accomplished empire alliance, it has been nothing but a mess of in-game failures (CCPs fault) and out of game propaganda, smack and suspect gamesmanship. It really would have been nice to see these two entities set the example of what a good large scale conflict can be like, but instead, thanks for nothing guys :(.
Beringe Raptus Regaliter	Posted - 2006.10.10 20:14:00 - [75] Man...450 BSes is a lot. And it's hitting the ASCN pvp crowd, too, not the leechers. Meh, I guess nobody is particularly surprised how this turned out. Amazing amount of bitterness, from both sides, though. Perhaps one of these days we'll see BoB go full-scale invasion against another equal force, but for now we can just watch how far they are willing to outroot the hobbits. ------------------------------------------- "Never underestimate the power of language." --Daitan Beringe, honorary director in charge of bottles--
Kcel Chim Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2006.10.10 20:16:00 - [76] Originally by: Butter Dog stuff the mods stated the last time already they dont want any legal or privacy rights debate on this forum. If you disagree with Rod evemail him ingame as anything else will only lead to the mods removing posts and wasted time from anyone participating in that discussion. You stated yourself many times that ure not part of this conflict so with all honesty i dont see how you can be offended. Especially since we both know full well all sides in this game use the same ways of spying. Spying as stated by the devs is part of the game and once Voicechat will be coded into the UI spying will take place on voicechat aswell. Only question will be if its recordable or relayable. Btw out of game forums = alliancemail/alliancechat. Both contain messages restricted to your OWN alliance. So spying with a valid login works the same way as spying on your alliancemail/channels via a logged in altspy char.
Roxanna Kell BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.10.10 20:17:00 - [77] Originally by: John McCreedy oooh BoB's smacking me. I feel so special shouldnt you be recruiting more members? Quote: "Don't touch the red button!"
Murukan Minmatar The Priory Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.10 20:17:00 - [78] I would like to thank whoever made the bob signatures as now we do not have to see that old *** in Louise's sig anymore In rust we trust!!!**
zeKzn Empire of Destiny	Posted - 2006.10.10 20:18:00 - [79] Originally by: Murukan I would like to thank whoever made the bob signatures as now we do not have to see that old ***** in Louise's sig anymore qft, by god she was ugly. ____ Itty-Bitty Crow <3
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.10 20:19:00 - [80] Originally by: Val Oman Over these last few weeks this ASCN -vs- BoB thing has been nothing but a dissapointment. Instead of witnessing a grand conflict between the games most accomplished PvP alliance and the games most accomplished empire alliance, it has been nothing but a mess of in-game failures (CCPs fault) and out of game propaganda, smack and suspect gamesmanship. It really would have been nice to see these two entities set the example of what a good large scale conflict can be like, but instead, thanks for nothing guys :(. Errr, Nope , this is exactly what this game has been missing which is huge conflict between 2 of the Great 3 enetites that every one was begging for to watch for ages on these boards and now we have started it . As for game mechanics every little joe who plays this game knows that CCP doesnt and no one even has the technology to support 300 Vs 300 lag free fleet fights or wars so why should this be any different? ASCN are whining about lag and node crashes all day long , but do u see BOB whining about it ? Difference is we adapt and evolve , during several battels i crashed and lagged out like 4 or 5 times per battel yet again do u see me whining about it ? I keep my whining in corp chat and alliance :P If ppl think this thread is boring and not what they have been asking for for the past 2 months then simply dotn read it and spare the useless spam . If ppl think we use exploits and cheat and hax plz feel free to open a petion and have the proper entities to investigate us. If PPL think we are not putting up our losses or faking killmails , feel free to mail the corp CEO and it WILL BE DEALT with . "There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"
HostageTaker Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.10 20:20:00 - [81] Originally by: Val Oman Over these last few weeks this ASCN -vs- BoB thing has been nothing but a dissapointment. Instead of witnessing a grand conflict between the games most accomplished PvP alliance and the games most accomplished empire alliance, it has been nothing but a mess of in-game failures (CCPs fault) and out of game propaganda, smack and suspect gamesmanship. It really would have been nice to see these two entities set the example of what a good large scale conflict can be like, but instead, thanks for nothing guys :(. I wasn't aware that we're here for your personal amusement, you want something more polished and fuzzy? Look into a Polaris event... I hear they're giving out Motherships for hauling items from point A to point B. You want something that is player driven; real and raw? You take what you get here and other galnet communication channels. >>> EvE Online Wallpapers <<<
Stockarian eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.10 20:23:00 - [82] Edited by: Stockarian on 10/10/2006 20:23:31 Edited by: Stockarian on 10/10/2006 20:23:14 I don't see ascn whining Athelas Loraiel > "This isn't a fleet, we're only the appetizer." Cheers, Stock
Pestillence Chav-Scum	Posted - 2006.10.10 20:24:00 - [83] Originally by: Blacklight Then came the lag. More precisely, the exploits used by BoB in ordered to crash the node and insta-log back on again in order to kill our fleet. Thats classic. I know BoB's reporting is a bit biased but I see lots of facts inbetween that make me smile.
Elessa Minmatar Hellfire-Empire	Posted - 2006.10.10 20:34:00 - [84] Interesting read, but where did you get these quotes? I mean with all of the propaganda machine your alliance is running I cannot really believe quotes when I don't have access to the orignal source. A year or two back, no problem, but under now under the current circumstances (and increased forum 'ab'usage of BoB members) I cannot take your word just for granted. If the information is taken out of internal forums, good for you to have access to your enemies informations network, but for people just trying to get an idea about what is happening in the south it is a bit of to unsecure information. Elessa
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.10.10 20:37:00 - [85] Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Originally by: Val Oman Over these last few weeks this ASCN -vs- BoB thing has been nothing but a dissapointment. Instead of witnessing a grand conflict between the games most accomplished PvP alliance and the games most accomplished empire alliance, it has been nothing but a mess of in-game failures (CCPs fault) and out of game propaganda, smack and suspect gamesmanship. It really would have been nice to see these two entities set the example of what a good large scale conflict can be like, but instead, thanks for nothing guys :(. Errr, Nope , this is exactly what this game has been missing which is huge conflict between 2 of the Great 3 enetites that every one was begging for to watch for ages on these boards and now we have started it . As for game mechanics every little joe who plays this game knows that CCP doesnt and no one even has the technology to support 300 Vs 300 lag free fleet fights or wars so why should this be any different? ASCN are whining about lag and node crashes all day long , but do u see BOB whining about it ? Difference is we adapt and evolve , during several battels i crashed and lagged out like 4 or 5 times per battel yet again do u see me whining about it ? I keep my whining in corp chat and alliance :P If ppl think this thread is boring and not what they have been asking for for the past 2 months then simply dotn read it and spare the useless spam . If ppl think we use exploits and cheat and hax plz feel free to open a petion and have the proper entities to investigate us. If PPL think we are not putting up our losses or faking killmails , feel free to mail the corp CEO and it WILL BE DEALT with . How could you possibly disagree with that post? Smack for smacks sake. Originally by: anonymous If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
Zhaine B e l l u m	Posted - 2006.10.10 20:37:00 - [86] Heh, seems pretty obvious that, whatever people may jokingly say, BoB are indeed fighting a forum war as part of the wider morale war. . . To me (and while I believe I'm right I admit I could be sprouting utter turd), it seems BoB have rightly identified their own strengths (high individual competance, good FCs, richness etc) and ASCN's strengths (POS spam ability, numbers, richness also) as well as their weakness (numbers) and ASCN's (Inferior fleet command, inferior indivual pilot skill, "overpopulation" or weak-PvPers or industrials). They've also identified what wars in Eve are primarily about. That is morale, and breaking the enemie's morale to a point where they split/implode/explode/melt away/whatever metaphore you want to use (this I know I'm right about). Given this they've embarked on a campaign that involves: 1 - Ensuring high K-D ratio (using their strength of skill/FCing and ASCN's "overpopulation" weakness) 2 - Not (yet) getting bogged down assaulting a system, and I've seen what a morale drain assaulting a well defended system is (recognising their weakness of lower numbers/ASCN's strength of isk/logistics/POS) 3 - Pssing off and getting in the way of ASCN and their members at every available opportunity, and I've seen no good evidence they use anything other than decent enough game mechanics to do so (again using their strength in more competant command and general indvidual skill) 4 - Fueled by 1 and 3, huge propaganda saturation. These forum posts arn't about ego (no one could have one that big :p) or about BoB's reputation in Eve (I'm sure they'd like to be respected given the choice but feared is close enough), they're about disheartening ASCN to the point where people leave or (more likely) don't log in/fight. BoB, whatever poeple say, are rather good at this. They'll post internal forum stuff/blogs, exaggerate (as does everyone), lie (yes, you do, we're not stupid and again everyone does) and present it well and cleverly (see the new forum sigs for eg). ASCN, by comparison, launched what seems on limited evidence to be a failed and over hasty attack, and have some minor internal issues with participation. Therefore I would call it BoB - 1 ASCN - 0 atm. But that's not to say this war has even got past it's infancy, and ASCN have time to adapt their play to compliment their strengths and BoB's weaknesses. And to BoB, if I'm right, well done on a well though out and coherant start to the "Great War of the Pendulum" or whatever you want to call it. I know no BoB is gonna tell me I'm right, as it would go against the nature of their forum tactics. And again I might be sprouting nonsense but I think there's some truth in it, I enjoy it and I hope it makes a vaguely interesting read. - - - - - - - - - - Quote:* I don't even want a ship, ships are for carebears. Give me a fish bowl for my head (to keep space out) and smear me with lard, then armed with a toasting fork-
maGz The Priory Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.10 20:47:00 - [87] Originally by: Val Oman Over these last few weeks this ASCN -vs- BoB thing has been nothing but a dissapointment. Instead of witnessing a grand conflict between the games most accomplished PvP alliance and the games most accomplished empire alliance, it has been nothing but a mess of in-game failures (CCPs fault) and out of game propaganda, smack and suspect gamesmanship. It really would have been nice to see these two entities set the example of what a good large scale conflict can be like, but instead, thanks for nothing guys :(. QFT... Not really much to say here. With nodes going down left and right, one can do nothing but read the forums And so far it has been greatly disappointing to read posts from either side ____________ The Priory Killboard
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.10 20:52:00 - [88] Originally by: welsh wizard How could you possibly disagree with that post? Smack for smacks sake. The way he put it was a bit out there, admittedly, but his overall message was spot on. Before this, forums were dead. Now they're alive again. I know my days are flowing past alot quicker now whilst engaging in the good old forum wars. You guys do the same, WW, else why did Darth post the fountain thread? To really invite people to fountain? yeah, righto.
DETOVI Caldari FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.10 20:54:00 - [89] Originally by: firefreeze this is pretty much nothing but flamebait and trolling AND a personal attack on someone in the game.. Yet it's not being locked by the mods? Don't you know? BoB threads get to last a wee bit longer than other flame-filled ones. .
Louisa Torres Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.10 21:00:00 - [90] Originally by: DETOVI Originally by: firefreeze this is pretty much nothing but flamebait and trolling AND a personal attack on someone in the game.. Yet it's not being locked by the mods? Don't you know? BoB threads get to last a wee bit longer than other flame-filled ones. We're too busy flaming you to log our mod accounts and moderate

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