http://youtu.be/73-GmF_ZnJo

tl;dr if you don't want to watch the very short clip: I am not impressed.


HP MATH (with 2x LSE II and 3x CDFE II):
x = shield HP. x * 1.5 = 33907HP. x = 33907/1.5 = 22604HP before the % bonus from the SSS. 22604 * 1.25 (new bonus) = 28255HP, which coincidentally is the exact same amount of raw shield HP the current hull will have if you remove a single CDFE II rig, which many pilots already do if their skills aren't perfect. The new hull will still have 224k EHP with links before heat. This is still far more than it should have and still completely supersedes all battleships.

Rebalance the Tengu engineering subsystems so that the Cap Regeneration Matrix does not give more flat PG than the Powergrid Multiplier (PGx from here-on) flat bonus * percent bonus, and does not give more flat total cap than the Augmented Cap Reservoir flat bonus * percent bonus. The CRM is better than every other subsystem in every way except heat dissipation. Speaking of which, reduce the flat PG on the Supplemental Coolant Injector as well. It has the same flat PG as the CRM. Too much PG!

This will force the Tengu to use the PGx to get the grid it needs for a 2x LSE II fit, as well as giving it another high slot and turret hardpoint in exchange for the lost dps low-slot. With 6 turrets and 2x MFS IIs it's new dps will be 515 (from 482, a 6.8% increase) with CN Antimatter, which is a very slight increase in dps and a noticeable (13.5%) increase in volley damage from 1439 to 1634. But it also means more cap usage. Total cap life will now be 6'28" because no more cap regen matrix. This is still in-line with current HAC dps and volley damage numbers.

This is balanced! This means the Tengu will hit a bit harder early, but will have less staying power, especially since its resists depend on all those active hardeners.

Using the PGx instead of the CRM and figuring the increase in total turrets, the Tengu will be right at its max PG without any implants and will still have an open utility high slot. So if you want to fill that utility high slot, you need to either remove a low slot damage module for an RCU, or remove a CDFE II for an ACR. Doing so will allow it to fit a small nuet or cyno without any issue. I consider both of these fitting sacrifices well-balanced. Removing a CDFE II will leave it with 162k EHP before heat. You could even remove all 3 and still have 138k EHP, which is far more EHP than any HAC in the game while still maintaining a perfectly viable ship that is not completely destroying the sub-cap meta.


SIGRAD.

+8m sigRad. Pathetic. With 2x LSE IIs, this will up its sigRad from 207 to 215. Throw on those 3x CDFE IIs (stacking penalized at 5% per rig) currently gives 233m, a 12.56 % increase overall. Max mindlinked Claymore links reduces that by 34.5% to 153m. (There may be some rounding errors there.)

So 215 * 1.1256 * (1-.345) = 158.5m, up from 153m.


OTHER CHANGES.

The Adaptive Shielding Defensive Subsystem is completely out-classed by the Supplemental Screening Subsystem in every way except the bonus to remote shield reps. I've literally never seen one used outside of AT. So reducing the sigRad on that is pretty much pointless. But I'm sure TEST's T3 tinker pilot will thank you for the buff to his XLASB tanking ability come this summer.

Warfare Subprocessor increase in sigRad means easier to scan down in his safe. Ok. Makes sense.

SIGRAD.

+8m sigRad. Pathetic. With 2x LSE IIs, this will up its sigRad from 207 to 215. Throw on those 3x CDFE IIs (stacking penalized at 5% per rig) currently gives 233m, a 12.56 % increase overall. Max mindlinked Claymore links reduces that by 34.5% to 153m. (There may be some rounding errors there.)

So 215 * 1.1256 * (1-.345) = 158.5m, up from 153m.

OTHER CHANGES.

The Adaptive Shielding Defensive Subsystem is completely out-classed by the Supplemental Screening Subsystem in every way except the bonus to remote shield reps. I've literally never seen one used outside of AT. So reducing the sigRad on that is pretty much pointless. But I'm sure TEST's T3 tinker pilot will thank you for the buff to his XLASB tanking ability come this summer.

Warfare Subprocessor increase in sigRad means easier to scan down in his safe. Ok. Makes sense.

This I agree with whole heartedly a supplemental screening tengu with 2x LSE and rigs should be much closer to 300 than 200 sig. I don't personally mind huge EHP T3s infact I think they should be capable of it with the right compromises - but they should always have to make a choice between sig/mobility or tank.



My old corp used to use RR tengus quite a bit for PVE in wormholes, etc. and there were some bigger wormhole entities who used them en mass in various PVP doctrines back in the day - I've not seen it used as much in k-space though.

Please start training for all supers.

Now just take away sentry drones from anything smaller than a battleship, and we might actually have subcapitals balanced to an acceptable level.

Oh, and never not nerf Caldari.

cant wait for the other T3's to get their nerf bat so that armor is completely invalidated in wormholes (because lets face it, the only time you put an armor battleship through a wormhole is if you are TRYING to close it, not go for pvp)

I'm 14 days from Tengu.

14 days ago, I said to myself "I'm going to trigger a Tengu nerf by training for them".

Seriously, I thought this. I was right.

If you all knew my other thoughts and how right I was in various RL issues you'd lose sleep.

For the most part, I think this nerf is directed at the Russians. CCP why do you hate Russians?

No no. All we do is remove the sentries from it, the rage will be all the more potent if they can still use the heavies.

So what's black legion going use now if their slippery Pete is dried off and dressed?

Removing sentries (and possibly heavy drones) from anything smaller than Battlecruisers is probably going to be controversial regardless. I say nerf the Ishtar into a hybrid boat - problem solved.

Then it'd just be another Deimos. Also, such an idea would leave zero drone platform HACs, which would'nt be cool, nor make sense for Gallente to be absent a Drone HAC.

These real life thoughts, do you deliberately think them eg: "Damn I wish my bank account had an extra 200k in it tomorrow" or do they just pop into your head.

The Caldari don't have a missile Attack Battlecruiser, either. Nor does any race have a drone-based Marauder, so the best way to nerf the Ishtar is convert it to a hybrid platform and let the tears flow.

The Naga was originally a missile platform but they couldn't stop it from being an overpowered monster.

I'm 14 days from Tengu.

14 days ago, I said to myself "I'm going to trigger a Tengu nerf by training for them".

No no. All we do is remove the sentries from it, the rage will be all the more potent if they can still use the heavies.

Back before missiles got nerfed...

Call me mad but I think removing sentry drones from Ishtars and treating it much in the same way as they have the Gila (or Guristas ships in general) might be just the thing the Ishtar needs. It does eliminate a traditional long range HAC though, leaving Gallente with none of those, so maybe that is not the idea at all. Maybe it needs a reduction in drone bandwidth, to make it more like the Myrmidon but then you end up with ships being clones of each other.

Whatever they end up doing, I hope they don't forget to scale the nerf to other drone ships, or perhaps they'll even go as far as to reworking the damn things entirely.

What happened the Guristas ships really was not a bad thing and I do realise that it is a theme in that case but still... there it is.

I was training another char into them at the same time. I guess you could say I did it on purpose to try and trigger exactly this kind of thing =p

Everyone train for Ishtars now.

Or make new characters and train those for Ishtars cause I swear, there is not a character left that can't fly them yet.

Torps got buffed.