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Flash Thomson
Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.02.26 12:09:56 -
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Hello,
I want to suggest to flag Pilots, that enter FW Complexes without taking part in Faction Warfare, as criminals.
FW Complexes are sectors of military operations as such "civilians" have no reason to be there. In most cases those "Civilians" will go on and attack the "military personal" on duty. In order to stay alive it is often necessary to open fire first, which will not only flag the Pilot carrying out his duty as criminal but also lower his security rating.
This does not make sense in any way.
Best Regards
Flash Thomson
PS: I was not sure if this should be posted here or on Faction Warfare.
Tanking since 1982
Reporting Caldari Faction Warfare news on
www.caldarinews.wordpress.com
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Leto Thule
Everywhere and Terrible
2117
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Posted - 2015.02.26 12:47:04 -
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Flash Thomson wrote:Hello,
I want to suggest to flag Pilots, that enter FW Complexes without taking part in Faction Warfare, as criminals.
FW Complexes are sectors of military operations as such "civilians" have no reason to be there. In most cases those "Civilians" will go on and attack the "military personal" on duty. In order to stay alive it is often necessary to open fire first, which will not only flag the Pilot carrying out his duty as criminal but also lower his security rating.
This does not make sense in any way.
Best Regards
Flash Thomson
PS: I was not sure if this should be posted here or on Faction Warfare.
It shouldn't be posted anywhere because it is a bad idea. Even going with your example, civilians exsist in war zones and areas of conflict. Military members are not allowed to simply open fire without provocation.
Try and remember that FW plexes are there to provide PVP zones... Not to line your pockets with LP.
Big Fat Forum Meanie and Thanatos Scammer
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
2797
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Posted - 2015.02.26 13:15:58 -
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Hello,
I want to suggest an idea also. When players start up the game, a quick survey is presented to them, with just one question: do you prefer to pvp other players? If answered yes, the player should be permanently flagged as a criminal, in order to discourage this undesirable behavior. They would be able to retake the survey in one year. I think this would really help with EVE's griefer problem.
I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:
https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
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Flash Thomson
Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.02.26 13:25:56 -
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Quote:It shouldn't be posted anywhere because it is a bad idea. Even going with your example, civilians exsist in war zones and areas of conflict. Military members are not allowed to simply open fire without provocation.
Try and remember that FW plexes are there to provide PVP zones... Not to line your pockets with LP.
Yes people live in Warzones, because the warzone moves to them. I don't think there are many examples of people actually moving to warzones if they don't intend to participate in one or the other way.
Please try to enter Area 51 or any other Base of military operation as a civilian, without permit and see what happens. There is 0 reasons for a civilian to enter a Faction Warfare Complex.
Think of it as "Do not enter! Deadly Force Autherized" Area.
I am all for PvP, that is why I participate in Faction Warfare. But loosing security standing for defending my self against someone that has obviously come to cause trouble? Why? So he can rejoice while I have to run missions to make up for the sec loss?
I think a armed civilian entering a Faction Warfare Complex is probable cause for a preemptive strike!
Tanking since 1982
Reporting Caldari Faction Warfare news on
www.caldarinews.wordpress.com
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Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
618
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Posted - 2015.02.26 13:28:51 -
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I missed being -8.9 Those were the days.
Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
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Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
315
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Posted - 2015.02.26 13:57:49 -
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Bwhahaha, a pitiful ISK farming servant of the NPC menace calling those who fight for capsuleers and capsuleers only civilians amuses me to no end.
No, your ISK making does not need to be made safer, and no, the empires of the puny mortals do not need to be that important or powerful.
It's all about the capsuleers and the empire militaries have no say in what we do and who we fight. |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Cynosural Field Theory.
1531
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Posted - 2015.02.26 14:12:48 -
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What is this **** doing in C&P? Put in to Features and Ideas were in can die in peace.
TunDraGon is recruiting!
"Also, your boobs [:o] " -á
CCP Eterne, 2012
"When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.26 14:47:50 -
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If you want aggressors to pick up Criminal flag, then you should be a miner. Sounds like farming is something you're into.
Rush to danger, wind up nowhere
Sabriz for CSM go go go
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Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
1169
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Posted - 2015.02.26 15:10:17 -
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......
*shakes fist at sky*
EZWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLL
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
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Flash Thomson
Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate
5
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Posted - 2015.02.26 15:40:47 -
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Sibyyl wrote: If you want aggressors to pick up Criminal flag, then you should be a miner. Sounds like farming is something you're into.
Not sure, if I haven't been clear! This is exactly what I don't want! I don't want to have to farm to get my security rating up again! I want to be able to shoot any enemy in a plex regardless of Faction Warfare enemy or filthy Pirate scum...
Tanking since 1982
Reporting Caldari Faction Warfare news on
www.caldarinews.wordpress.com
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
2798
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Posted - 2015.02.26 15:51:52 -
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Wouldn't it be easier (and more fun) just to remove the standing hits from low-sec entirely, then?
I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:
https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
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Tasnala Estidal
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.02.26 15:56:03 -
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Flash Thomson wrote:Sibyyl wrote: If you want aggressors to pick up Criminal flag, then you should be a miner. Sounds like farming is something you're into.
Not sure, if I haven't been clear! This is exactly what I don't want! I don't want to have to farm to get my security rating up again! I want to be able to shoot any enemy in a plex regardless of Faction Warfare enemy or filthy Pirate scum...
Then set Mr. Safety to orange and press f1, sec status be damned. Sounds like to me you want to do what " filthy pirate scum" do, but don't want to man up to the price of your desires. All those fw points should buy you a set of tags easy. Shoot everyone, buy tags, profit.
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Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
107
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Posted - 2015.02.26 16:55:48 -
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Sibyyl wrote: If you want aggressors to pick up Criminal flag, then you should be a miner. Sounds like farming is something you're into.
What methods of ISK generation do you not consider farming then? .01 station games? We all have to pay for our pvp somehow, unless you can consistently solo pimpfit faction ships or you buy PLEX every month.
Get off your high horse about farming, everyone had to do it. As long as he's doing it in a combat ship and not a quad-stabbed merlin I see no problem.
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
3915
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Posted - 2015.02.26 17:00:30 -
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This thread has been moved to Features & Ideas Discussion.
ISD Ezwal
Vice Admiral
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Paranoid Loyd
3962
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Posted - 2015.02.26 17:02:32 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Sibyyl wrote: If you want aggressors to pick up Criminal flag, then you should be a miner. Sounds like farming is something you're into.
What methods of ISK generation do you not consider farming then? .01 station games? We all have to pay for our pvp somehow, unless you can consistently solo pimpfit faction ships or you buy PLEX every month. Get off your high horse about farming, everyone had to do it. As long as he's doing it in a combat ship and not a quad-stabbed merlin I see no problem. I don't do any PVE for isk. Get off your high horse and go gank someone.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
107
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Posted - 2015.02.26 17:04:05 -
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Flash Thomson wrote:Hello,
I want to suggest to flag Pilots, that enter FW Complexes without taking part in Faction Warfare, as criminals.
FW Complexes are sectors of military operations as such "civilians" have no reason to be there. In most cases those "Civilians" will go on and attack the "military personal" on duty. In order to stay alive it is often necessary to open fire first, which will not only flag the Pilot carrying out his duty as criminal but also lower his security rating.
This does not make sense in any way.
Best Regards
Flash Thomson
PS: I was not sure if this should be posted here or on Faction Warfare.
Agreed. I should not have to give someone the first volley just because they have a highsec logistics alt. Pirates love farming kills in FW plexes; if you warp into one as a neutral 99% of the time you're looking for a fight. Should get a suspect timer upon taking gate. If you want to pick off FW players sack up and join FW.
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Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
107
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Posted - 2015.02.26 17:07:15 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Sibyyl wrote: If you want aggressors to pick up Criminal flag, then you should be a miner. Sounds like farming is something you're into.
What methods of ISK generation do you not consider farming then? .01 station games? We all have to pay for our pvp somehow, unless you can consistently solo pimpfit faction ships or you buy PLEX every month. Get off your high horse about farming, everyone had to do it. As long as he's doing it in a combat ship and not a quad-stabbed merlin I see no problem. I don't do any PVE for isk. Get off your high horse and go gank someone.
You're still farming. You're just farming idiots instead of red crosses. I only have one account so ganking for profit would be unworkable.
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Paranoid Loyd
3962
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Posted - 2015.02.26 17:34:50 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:I only have one account so ganking for profit would be unworkable. You have heard of friends right?
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1602
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Posted - 2015.02.26 17:38:58 -
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Yang Aurilen wrote:I missed being -8.9 Those were the days.
Yeah the days you gave me more suspect flag in a logi boat that I could ever ask for...
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Lugh Crow-Slave
803
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Posted - 2015.02.26 18:11:02 -
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Either
A.) wait for them to fire on you or B.) man up and take the sec hit
Fuel block colors? Missiles for Caldari T3?
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Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
107
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Posted - 2015.02.26 18:49:31 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:I only have one account so ganking for profit would be unworkable. You have heard of friends right?
This gets trotted out every time someone is defending their alt-dependent gameplay.
The reason people use alts is to fulfill a task so boring that no human player wants to do it full time.
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Zimmer Jones
Aliastra Gallente Federation
129
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Posted - 2015.02.26 19:02:54 -
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-1 unsupported
no isk without risk, sandbox, etc. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out
7519
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Posted - 2015.02.26 19:05:05 -
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Tasnala Estidal wrote:Then set Mr. Safety to orange red and press f1, sec status be damned. Sounds like to me you want to do what " filthy pirate scum" do, but don't want to man up to the price of your desires. All those fw points should buy you a set of tags easy. Shoot everyone, buy tags, profit.
FIFY.
Back in my FW days, you shot everything and worked it out later. No fancy Tag4Sec... you had to spend HOURS in null-sec in Stealth Bombers with buddies... avoiding bubbles... scaring ratters... hiding from hotdropping response fleets... all to kill 1 NPC battleship per system.
Eventually you stopped caring. You learned how much NICER it was to just live in low-sec full-time. You gain experience... you become more bloodthirsty... you create an alt character on the same account and train him (by pausing your main character's skill queue) to haul things and run missions... you become efficient at making money in low-sec.
And soon you forget why you would ever want to go back to high-sec... aside from suicide ganking some poor sob because you decided they deserve it (you are not sure how, but you know that if you dig through his/her history you'll fine something).
"The Skillpoint System and You"
"How did you Veterans start?"
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Paranoid Loyd
3964
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Posted - 2015.02.26 19:21:58 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:I only have one account so ganking for profit would be unworkable. You have heard of friends right? This gets trotted out every time someone is defending their alt-dependent gameplay. The reason people use alts is to fulfill a task so boring that no human player wants to do it full time. I'm not defending my game play, everyone should play how they like. With that said, I have no need to defend it. If you choose to have one account that is fine but that in no way means you can't gank for profit.
The tactics involved in successfully ganking for profit are infinitely more engaging than orbiting a button for profit. But it does take patience and forethought.
Freighters are ganked for profit on a daily basis, very few if any of those groups are multiboxed anymore.
More on topic: If you want to orbit a button with the intention of getting fights why would you worry about a minuscule sec status hit that can be easily fixed with cheap sec status tags or a few minutes of ratting?
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Linkxsc162534
Traps 'R' Us
111
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Posted - 2015.02.26 19:32:08 -
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Leto Thule wrote: Even going with your example, civilians exsist in war zones and areas of conflict. Military members are not allowed to simply open fire without provocation.
Most reporters and civilians in war zones... arent armed.
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Catherine Laartii
Imperium Technologies Evictus.
482
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Posted - 2015.02.26 19:54:09 -
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I have to say that as someone with a good backround in FW I support the spirit of the idea, I need to point out that this is moot with the advent of sec tags. Sure it costs isk, but y'all make enough already that it's not a problem to buy one every so often to help your standing. I never had a problem with shooting anything that wasn't blue that came in my plex, although that's probably just me being trigger-happy lol. |
Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
183
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Posted - 2015.02.27 03:20:01 -
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Honestly, I also think maybe Neutral (as in npc corp) players should get a flag of some sort if they are intefereing with FW Zones.
A player corp should not however....so if one is a pirate group...militas should just dec them and be done with it.
Now as to an earlier comment.....FW is not about the capsuleers....read your lore study the Emergency Concord descision that allowed the Empires to field Capsuleer militias....its for the resources in lo-sec for the Empires and to keep capsuleers away from key places in highsec.....basically playgrounds for the sociopaths. |
Flash Thomson
Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate
6
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Posted - 2015.02.27 10:55:09 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Either
A.) wait for them to fire on you or B.) man up and take the sec hit
I generally go with option B although it has done me little good, I simply still suck at PvP =D (If you want a good laugh check out my killboard =) )
My point is, I am there fighting for the State and yes also for my personal profit and I am sure all off you guys make great profits from it, me not so much... I loose to many ships, trying to find the right one =D And you know what that's fine! I am having fun... But lets talk about carrying the cost of defending my self, apart from working to get a new ship and mods, I don't have the time and will to farm for something I personally consider should not happen in the first place.
But lets turn this around.
What are you afraid of Mr. Pirate? You come here to fight! You where going to take the Sec hit anyway, what do you care if you get tagged as Criminal when entering a plex?
Oh you might not get to fire the first volley? Who is the chicken now?
So I stand by it, you do not participate in FW? You get flagged as Criminal entering a plex! Easy as that! Fair fight good night!
Tanking since 1982
Reporting Caldari Faction Warfare news on
www.caldarinews.wordpress.com
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Glathull
Warlock Assassins
955
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Posted - 2015.02.27 11:01:12 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Sibyyl wrote: If you want aggressors to pick up Criminal flag, then you should be a miner. Sounds like farming is something you're into.
What methods of ISK generation do you not consider farming then? .01 station games? We all have to pay for our pvp somehow, unless you can consistently solo pimpfit faction ships or you buy PLEX every month. Get off your high horse about farming, everyone had to do it. As long as he's doing it in a combat ship and not a quad-stabbed merlin I see no problem. I don't do any PVE for isk. Get off your high horse and go gank someone.
P v E for fun P v P just for the ISK Chuck Norris: my b!tch
I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
Shut up, Anslo. --everyone
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takedoom
Swagateers
57
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Posted - 2015.02.27 16:50:44 -
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The whole point of FW was to get noobs to go to low sec.
http://spinthatdamnship.ytmnd.com/
I am not a thief. I am a treasure hunter.
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