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Grizwold
Royal Canuck Air Force
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Posted - 2006.10.11 17:13:00 -
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In RL I am a diplomat and one of the issues we deal with is "perception" rather than proof of wrong doing.
One must remove the perception of one party having an advantage over another due to inside information or advice or ability to manipulate game mechanics etc.
It does not matter if the GM or Moderator etc actually does something suspicious, the perception that they "may" have is sufficient to cause problems for gamers and CCP.
CCP must bring in a formal policy that all CCP employes (volunteers with inside info as well) must be instructed that they may not belong to an alliance.
I believe that such a policy is long overdue and will remove any complaints about "influence" by GMs etc on game play and favoritism on petitions etc etc.
It is good that GMs play the game , just not in formal alliances. GMs make very good pirates :P
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Major Stormer
Caldari
Demon Womb
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.11 17:15:00 -
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Edited by: Major Stormer on 11/10/2006 17:15:29
No. I dont care what that says, rumours will always remain rumours and that will never end. When BOB are dead and gone (which will happen over my dead corpze(s) :P ) and a new alliance is having a turn of good luck, then forum people will say devs are in that alliance.
Noone knows who the devs are in their ingame form, or the gms, or the mods. That is enough.
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Murukan
Minmatar
The Priory
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.11 17:16:00 -
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k track down the ccp employees in alliances and bring substantial proof they are being biased towards that alliance and you have a case.
I'm guessing this is just an underhanded way to smack BoB because everyone know's they use l33t dev haxzorz blah blah blah insert some more stupid random smack from the losing side.
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Rikeka
Amarr
Eye of God
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.11 17:17:00 -
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Thing is that what happened with the ¿Ghost Scorpion¿ and where it happened gave a lot of people some doubts... Though I doubt that`s where it started...
As for GM`s being Pirates... better them be gankers in Jita!
Seriously, everyone would complain more if they get to be pirates.
Persoanlly, I think they are doing Jove missions, and they love them. Which makes me wonder they have to rock!
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Audrea
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.10.11 17:17:00 -
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 Originally by: Grizwold
In RL I am a diplomat and one of the issues we deal with is "perception" rather than proof of wrong doing.
One must remove the perception of one party having an advantage over another due to inside information or advice or ability to manipulate game mechanics etc.
It does not matter if the GM or Moderator etc actually does something suspicious, the perception that they "may" have is sufficient to cause problems for gamers and CCP.
CCP must bring in a formal policy that all CCP employes (volunteers with inside info as well) must be instructed that they may not belong to an alliance.
I believe that such a policy is long overdue and will remove any complaints about "influence" by GMs etc on game play and favoritism on petitions etc etc.
It is good that GMs play the game , just not in formal alliances. GMs make very good pirates :P
lol, and then we will have lots of whiners that GMs do insta locks and pop them in empire gate camps 
SEriously there is nothing CCP can do when some people just intent on believing certain version of the events.
Just like some wouldnt believe the goverment on certain issues, and prefer to believe in conspiracies, some of them really wild  , despite all goverment efforts etc.
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.10.11 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Major Stormer
Edited by: Major Stormer on 11/10/2006 17:15:29
No. I dont care what that says, rumours will always remain rumours and that will never end. When BOB are dead and gone (which will happen over my dead corpze(s) :P ) and a new alliance is having a turn of good luck, then forum people will say devs are in that alliance.
Noone knows who the devs are in their ingame form, or the gms, or the mods. That is enough.
Acutally a small few are known thru mistakes and errors by CCP.
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Quutar
Caldari
Uxor Infensus
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Posted - 2006.10.11 17:17:00 -
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i am guessing that you also don't want ccp staff to ever experiance large fleet combat.
How about you trust CCP?
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CLEISTHENES2
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.11 17:18:00 -
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lollerskaters...Get a grip.
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.11 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Grizwold
It is good that GMs play the game , just not in formal alliances. GMs make very good pirates :P
Like the one that gave pimp scorp to a newb who got ganked in A2- ?
GMs are fine, i seriously doubt any of them would risk his RL job to use his GM powers.
And according to CYVOK's delusions, we don't have RL anyway so there's no GMs in bob.
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Zhaine
B e l l u m
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Posted - 2006.10.11 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: Major Stormer
Edited by: Major Stormer on 11/10/2006 17:15:29
No. I dont care what that says, rumours will always remain rumours and that will never end. When BOB are dead and gone (which will happen over my dead corpze(s) :P ) and a new alliance is having a turn of good luck, then forum people will say devs are in that alliance.
Noone knows who the devs are in their ingame form, or the gms, or the mods. That is enough.
Acutally a small few are known thru mistakes and errors by CCP.
I take it you have screenshots to prove it?
Oh, wait!
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Hakera
Anari Higard
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Posted - 2006.10.11 17:21:00 -
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wouldnt the membercount of MC go down by ~100 if all CCP left? 
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zeKzn
Empire of Destiny
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Posted - 2006.10.11 17:21:00 -
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nobody has any reason to care about perception unless the consequences of being percieved in a negative light actually matter to them - which, clearly, they dont.
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JINX HSC
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.11 17:26:00 -
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I have only meet one dev in game and he played whit me in PA during GNW....
my opinion is that Devs/GM shall play eve more then they do today..
its ******* awfull when you petition something and the gm dont know what the things you describe are.. once meet a GM that didnt know that there was concreble stn in eve..
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.10.11 17:31:00 -
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Edited by: Plutoinum on 11/10/2006 17:31:42
I think especially the devs are professional enough that they don't use their 'dev-power' to get an advantage. It's a question of pride. And about knowledge: Yes, they can look at the code, but that doesn't mean that they are automatically uber.
I guess they are probably quite often amazed obout 'tricks' that other players find out and use, otherwise they'd have implemented several things different. 
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Kuentai
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2006.10.11 17:31:00 -
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Whiners will always find a way to whine, if it isn't about this it will be about something else.
Don't cave in to whiners!
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Solwolf
Gallente
BIG Advanced Assault
R i s e
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Posted - 2006.10.11 17:32:00 -
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Gah let the ccp employees play if they want. I mean do you really want me to quit...err wait...don't answer that.  If they abuse their power, they're risking their jobs. I doubt many people would do that, though a few may yes. Real life companies have to have incentives to keep people on board. Why in the world would they require their employees not to play a game that they make? That'd be self-destructive. The alliance politics and the things you can do in alliance are a part of the game. Let them see what it's like for themselves. Perhaps they might even make it better as a result.
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Audrea
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.10.11 17:37:00 -
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Besides, those so called 'GM Powers' can only be used from inside the CCP offices, therefore when GMs come back home from shifts, they cant do anything for their alliance beyond what regular player can.
Even if they wanted to from the office, I dont think its possible:
Its very likely CCP has deployed measures to prevent it, such as logging every action the GM client (for analysis in case there are complaints),
Allowing GM actions to be taken only under an open petition case (eg no action can be taken, which is not assigned to certain petition, etc).
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Archonus
Solar Wind
Distant Star Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.11 17:37:00 -
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Hi Griz. hows sq doing?
and, **** on the devs if they are doing such stuff
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Dynast
Knights of Red Mars
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Posted - 2006.10.11 17:42:00 -
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In my opinion it's absolutely imperative that the devs play the game; there's no substitute for first person experience when it comes to understanding game mechanics and balance in general. Even if some of 'em were cheating, the harm that'd do would be localized and minor compared to the massive damage devs can do to a game by making changes when they don't actually understand wtf is going on.
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Dortock
The Scarlet Harmonic
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Posted - 2006.10.11 17:46:00 -
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There may be employees of CCP in BoB, ASCN, CIC, w/e you name it.
If you don't trust them to be fair and professional in not providing 'advantages' to the alliances they are part of, then sir, you need to quit the game. You need to place full trust in CCP, they won't **** up their own child so that some alliance can win some battle.
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Louisa Torres
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.11 17:50:00 -
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YEAH CCP!
WHATEVER you do, do NOT let your employees play the alliance game, DO NOT let them be involved with the higher end of gameplay, WHAT POSSIBLE BENEFITS FOR THE REST OF THE GAME CAN THERE BE???
In fact, we should ring coca cola and ban their employees from drinking coca cola, GETTING HIGH ON YOUR OWN SUPPLY IS BAD MKAY?!
You know, I hope there are Devs and gms in ASCN. I even hope that we have some in BoB, where else will they get the firsthand experience of the vital and critical matters that affect this game we love?
In Jita? In a newb corp?
Get real.
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Murukan
Minmatar
The Priory
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.11 17:52:00 -
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gosh louisa we all know that ccp totally gives bob 300% hp in fleet fights and a titan for every ship you kill!!
In rust we trust!!! |
Daald
Celestial Fleet
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.11 17:52:00 -
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Well, here is some food for thought.
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Hast
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.11 17:53:00 -
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I dont mind GM's and DEVs in alliances really... And no its nto because I'm in BoB...
would you want every GM or developer to play the empire game churning level four missions into oblivion?
Remember the developers made this game and its beneficial to us that they play the same way that we do. This will give them better understanding of the rights and wrongs in the game and gamebalance. If game masters didnt know the game mechanics like the rest of us then they wouldnt be able to function as helpers when the game shows its bad side to us...
It wouldnt help against the favouritism charges or anythinge either since the npeople will just find a new way to try to paint their opponents in their colour of choosing (usually black)
Originally by: CYVOK
If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain.
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welsh wizard
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2006.10.11 17:54:00 -
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Only on the internet could a post as correct and fair as this be slated so ruthlessly.
Originally by: anonymous
If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
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Louisa Torres
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.11 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: welsh wizard
Only on the internet could a post as correct and fair as this be slated so ruthlessly.
Clarify?
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Rikeka
Amarr
Eye of God
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.11 18:03:00 -
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You guys played SWG?
Yeah? Cool! Liked it? More or less? Good... Yeah, Sony ruined it.
Oh, BTW. I had 5 Black Sun helmets (got 2 by the ¿easy way¿, on my defense, never asked for one), and half a Mandi armour... and... err
2 jeypacks (had one, got another)
The day that happened, I lost faith in game companies (yes, I quitted the game the very same day... in fact, 2 days after that as I only logged then)
Mind you, it was Sony. Maybe CCP will prove me wrong.
It has not yet, but only because I`m already with the notion that I`m being cheated. I¦m human.
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Karneh Vorous
Reaver Inc
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Posted - 2006.10.11 18:09:00 -
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Quote:
In RL I am a diplomat
After that opening.... I knew the rest was going to be something I didn't like...
I WANT the people who make the game to play the game. If they don't play, how are they going to know what the problems of the game are? There should be CCP employees involved in every single element of the game to ensure the quality of their product. When they stop playing all the elements, they stop caring and that's not good for anyone.
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Gift
Amarr
Loot
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Posted - 2006.10.11 18:10:00 -
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Why can't the dev's play the game how they want? If they enjoy playing the game they created and play it by the same rules the rest of us do whats the problem? perception, get over it.
Pirates of Eve, Join channel "Pirate" Today!
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Hectic
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.11 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Rikeka
You guys played SWG?
Yeah? Cool! Liked it? More or less? Good... Yeah, Sony ruined it.
Oh, BTW. I had 5 Black Sun helmets (got 2 by the ¿easy way¿, on my defense, never asked for one), and half a Mandi armour... and... err
2 jeypacks (had one, got another)
The day that happened, I lost faith in game companies (yes, I quitted the game the very same day... in fact, 2 days after that as I only logged then)
Mind you, it was Sony. Maybe CCP will prove me wrong.
It has not yet, but only because I`m already with the notion that I`m being cheated. I¦m human.
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WELCOME BACK MGRL! |
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