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Tovarishch Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.11 19:47:00 - [1] Edited by: Tovarishch on 11/10/2006 19:48:11 If you have not read Tux's new list of upcoming tweaks... please sit down and feast your eyes on this - Originally by: Tuxford Agility of battlecruisers and command ships boosted by 20% Nighthawk's explosion velocity changed to launcher rate of fire bonus It seems that after nearly a year of posting solid numbers about the problems regarding the Nightawk... we've finally been heard. Not to mention... the Deimos is finally getting the PG bonus that it's long been needing. I'd personally like to thank Tux for finally, finally responding to these issues. It took an awfully long time... but it's great to see these important tweaks finally being instituted. Thanks, Tux. All life is sacred... until the client says otherwise.
Constantine Arcanum Gallente IMPERIAL SENATE Pure.	Posted - 2006.10.11 19:49:00 - [2] Thanks Tux0r I helped - Cortes What a shiny and lovely place here - Eshtir Well lets make it a party atleast :D -Xorus RAWWWR!11!!1!2 SIG HIJACK!!11!1 I found it first, get orrrfff moiiii laaannnd - Cortes
Dragy	Posted - 2006.10.11 19:50:00 - [3] i'll be damned if bc's warp faster than deimos !
2SecondsTilMidnight	Posted - 2006.10.11 19:55:00 - [4] Soon my millions of sp in BC and missle skills will be useful(hopefully)!
Firane Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.11 20:06:00 - [5] All BC loving pilots rejoice, tbh. -----------
Eve Hel	Posted - 2006.10.11 20:08:00 - [6] /rejoice
Mar vel Caldari H.Y.D.R.A.	Posted - 2006.10.11 21:10:00 - [7] Could someone post the link for Tux's reply/statement, and an anticipated delivery date? Thx. Appreciated. Nice that Tux (CCP) are responding to their user community. Now if we could get the response time down to 6 mos instead of a year would be +++. Still, in all, a good change that we have been waiting patiently for... Mar
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.11 21:21:00 - [8] Now I have to choose a new whine to put under my sig... maybe I should ask for 800mm rolled tungsten drops (again), seeing as they basically dont? Maybe I should hold a poll... ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
Gorgons Caldari Phantom Squad iPOD Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.11 22:00:00 - [9] The nighthawk and the drake... OMG OMG OMG can't wait.. ...oh and heavy assault missiles... OMG again ---------------------- OMG! what does it say... It says Snippy. E-mail us with any questions. -ReverendM
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2006.10.11 22:29:00 - [10] id love to see a link to see other list items
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.11 22:34:00 - [11] Look at the newest sticky here in ships & modules people... then buy some new glasses ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
Gee'Kin Tha Specialz	Posted - 2006.10.11 22:57:00 - [12] Originally by: Tovarishch Edited by: Tovarishch on 11/10/2006 19:48:11 If you have not read Tux's new list of upcoming tweaks... please sit down and feast your eyes on this - Originally by: Tuxford Agility of battlecruisers and command ships boosted by 20% Nighthawk's explosion velocity changed to launcher rate of fire bonus It seems that after nearly a year of posting solid numbers about the problems regarding the Nightawk... we've finally been heard. Not to mention... the Deimos is finally getting the PG bonus that it's long been needing. I'd personally like to thank Tux for finally, finally responding to these issues. It took an awfully long time... but it's great to see these important tweaks finally being instituted. Thanks, Tux. Aah nice ! .. Rate of fire bonus !! i luv that on a nighthawk. --------------------------------------------> Plz tickle my brain. I wanna have a Brainfart ! -------------------------------------------->
Commander Thrawn Tarnak inc.	Posted - 2006.10.11 23:00:00 - [13] why doesn't amarr ever get some love
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.11 23:06:00 - [14] Well, the prophecy, absolution, damnation get an agility boost too, and the sacri gets a sizeable fitting boost... ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
Jin Entres Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.11 23:12:00 - [15] So what's the estimated DPS on the new and improved cochroach on red bull? I suppose this also means I have to train Heavy Missiles to V. ---
Iudex Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.10.12 14:37:00 - [16] I don't think this is right. The nighthawk already has too much power compared to a battelship and now its firepower is not only at its best on small targets but get a better dps, so even more dangerous to a battelship. It is powerful enought with its high resistance, gang-bonus etc. why making it even more powerful and faster ? I don't think its right. (Just an oppinion from a sad bs pilot, don't flame me please for that).
Pestillence Chav-Scum	Posted - 2006.10.12 14:43:00 - [17] Originally by: Iudex I don't think this is right. The nighthawk already has too much power compared to a battelship and now its firepower is not only at its best on small targets but get a better dps, so even more dangerous to a battelship. It is powerful enought with its high resistance, gang-bonus etc. why making it even more powerful and faster ? I don't think its right. (Just an oppinion from a sad bs pilot, don't flame me please for that). Heres a couple of facts for you to chew on. 1) Nos will kill any command ship since it cant rep. (Injectors will run out) 2) Command ships need vastly more skills than bs. Surely they should be comparable if not better in the right hands?
Cividari Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.12 14:50:00 - [18] hm... I wonder how this will effect the cerberus. Wont the nighthawk outperform the cerb greatly at everything except speed (which it doesnt really need) and sig res? But I guess its the same for the other races to, especialy with the agility buff.
Iudex Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.10.12 15:08:00 - [19] Originally by: Pestillence Originally by: Iudex I don't think this is right. The nighthawk already has too much power compared to a battelship and now its firepower is not only at its best on small targets but get a better dps, so even more dangerous to a battelship. It is powerful enought with its high resistance, gang-bonus etc. why making it even more powerful and faster ? I don't think its right. (Just an oppinion from a sad bs pilot, don't flame me please for that). Heres a couple of facts for you to chew on. 1) Nos will kill any command ship since it cant rep. (Injectors will run out) 2) Command ships need vastly more skills than bs. Surely they should be comparable if not better in the right hands? Why nos ? I seen some people having a passive shield tank on a nighthawk (something witch some heavy extenders in the meds and shield power relays in the lows) which made them absolutely invulnerable against nos, having a nice indefinitely running tank etc and (important!) the ability to use tech 2 hi dmg heavys without penalty (as cap does not matter). With this they were able to outtank and then finally (as aktiv tank does not last forever) outgun a tech 2 fitted raven .. so they are powerful enought in my eyes. Skills are awsome, ok. But c'mon its tech 2 but it still a bc, should not be sooo much stronger then a bs. But now they make it even stronger, while good old raven seem to be the loser of this update.
Calprimus Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2006.10.12 15:14:00 - [20] Originally by: Cividari hm... I wonder how this will effect the cerberus. Wont the nighthawk outperform the cerb greatly at everything except speed (which it doesnt really need) and sig res? But I guess its the same for the other races to, especialy with the agility buff. Cerb can still lock at 100Km, NH can max lock at 75Km (not taking in consideration extar mods) Cerb has still that nice missile velocity bonus Cerb, as you mentioned, still is faster and has lower sig. Btw, rof bonus to the NH was the absolute minimum Tux could do for that ship.
Cividari Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.12 15:17:00 - [21] Originally by: Calprimus Originally by: Cividari hm... I wonder how this will effect the cerberus. Wont the nighthawk outperform the cerb greatly at everything except speed (which it doesnt really need) and sig res? But I guess its the same for the other races to, especialy with the agility buff. Cerb can still lock at 100Km, NH can max lock at 75Km (not taking in consideration extar mods) Cerb has still that nice missile velocity bonus Cerb, as you mentioned, still is faster and has lower sig. Btw, rof bonus to the NH was the absolute minimum Tux could do for that ship. True, lets just hope this lowers the price on cerbs some now that they get some competition
Eve Hel	Posted - 2006.10.12 15:30:00 - [22] Originally by: Iudex I don't think this is right. The nighthawk already has too much power compared to a battelship and now its firepower is not only at its best on small targets but get a better dps, so even more dangerous to a battelship. It is powerful enought with its high resistance, gang-bonus etc. why making it even more powerful and faster ? I don't think its right. (Just an oppinion from a sad bs pilot, don't flame me please for that). like 'pestilence already sayd but it doesn't hurt to say it again ! to get a battleship takes a week or 2, a commandship takes 2 mounths+ to get ! so they commandship naturely should be better ) try and think about how much trainin time you used for using your battleship and multiply that with 4-8 and you get how long a commandship pilot has trained for his ship but ofcause you has the right to your opninien always )
Chewan Mesa Beagle Corp	Posted - 2006.10.12 15:47:00 - [23] Edited by: Chewan Mesa on 12/10/2006 15:48:09 Nice changes, was about time!
FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.12 15:49:00 - [24] Question for you MC guys. Will you field more BattleCruisers and CommandShips; now they are more agile? What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass!
Greyshadow Yesodic Nomads Corp Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.10.12 15:55:00 - [25] Originally by: Cividari hm... I wonder how this will effect the cerberus. Wont the nighthawk outperform the cerb greatly at everything except speed (which it doesnt really need) and sig res? But I guess its the same for the other races to, especialy with the agility buff. Well correct me if I'm wrong but to train to the nighthawk is more demanding than the cerb so it makes sense that its a better ship. "We need you!"
FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.10.12 16:07:00 - [26] Originally by: Cividari hm... I wonder how this will effect the cerberus. Wont the nighthawk outperform the cerb greatly at everything except speed (which it doesnt really need) and sig res? But I guess its the same for the other races to, especialy with the agility buff. HAC's will still have a higher speed/damage ratio for their size. I'd fly a HAC over my Command Ship, if it weren't for the price. What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass!
Rafein Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.12 16:22:00 - [27] Nighthawk change was needed. I still think it needs another launcher up high, though. Especially since the Drake is comming soon with it's 7 launchers.
Tovarishch Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.12 16:50:00 - [28] Originally by: Iudex I don't think this is right. The nighthawk already has too much power compared to a battelship and now its firepower is not only at its best on small targets but get a better dps, so even more dangerous to a battelship. It is powerful enought with its high resistance, gang-bonus etc. why making it even more powerful and faster ? I don't think its right. (Just an oppinion from a sad bs pilot, don't flame me please for that). Some quick facts for you... since you obviously have never flown a Nighthawk or seen one in action - 1. The Nighthawk is currently capable of only 90% of the DPS of a Cerberus. 2. The Nighthawk is currently very far from being a threat to any battleship. 3. The Nighthawk does not receive a missile velocity bonus. It's missiles are not fast enough to catch a t1 MWDing frigate. 4. The Target Navigation Prediction bonus had no meaningful effect on damage... at all. 5. The Caracal is currently a far more effective frigate killer than a Nighthawk... for a VASTLY lower cost in skill points and isk. As you can see... the argument that the Nighthawk is currently an incredible frigate killer is absolutely false. The Caracal does a better job of it since it is faster, more agile, and has bonuses that assist in that role. Let me add to this that the argument that the Nighthawk should be a frigate killer is complete and total crap. Who in their right mind would train for months, and months, and months to fly a very expensive frigate killer? Particularly one that does the job very poorly for magnitudes more cost than a Caracal. I apologize for what might seem a flame back at you... but posts like yours have been seen for months - anecdotal misinformation from people who don't know a thing about the ship... saying that it's great... when it isn't. It's currently a pile of crap. Anyone who can sit in one and fly one knows this. The DPS and agility changes will go a long way in fixing it. However, the targeting range is still going to be an issue. All life is sacred... until the client says otherwise.
Roxanna Kell BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.10.12 18:09:00 - [29] Edited by: Roxanna Kell on 12/10/2006 18:13:32 Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaha. Finally, i must ve posted douzens of Threads regarding that. This is without any damage mods. and with All Missile skills to lvl 5, even Heavy spec. Use the Missile guid to calculate your own. Nighthawk 6 launchers - Today. Kenetic- dps: 187 dpm: 257 others- dps: 149 dpm: 206 Nighthawk 6 launchers - After Changes. Kenetic- dps: 249 dpm: 257 others- dps: 199 dpm: 206 This is without any damage mods. ------With 2BCU t2---------------- Nighthawk 6 launchers - After changes Kenetic- dps: 353 dpm: 302 others- dps: 282 dpm: 242 ------With 3BCU t2---------------- Nighthawk 6 launchers - After changes Kenetic- dps: 399 dpm: 320 others- dps: 320 dpm: 256 ------With 5BCU t2---------------- if you dare. Stacking penalty FTL. Nighthawk 6 launchers - After changes Kenetic- dps: 497 dpm: 354 others- dps: 398 dpm: 284 the Missile Guid on page 4 wouldn't let me test T2. but you re looking at Huge damage. So any idea when this changes will be in? -----------------Also a TIp, Good time to invest in Nighthawks, BPO's Or ships while they stull under 200 mills ; )/ Quote: "Don't touch the red button!"
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.12 19:50:00 - [30] Great DPS? If thats the actual dps of it, it fracking pathetic. ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!

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