ECM jams a target for X seconds, where X is based on the difference between the attackers ECM value and the defenders Sensor value. ECM can then be further balanced by retaining or increasing the cycle time of ECM modules.


If target Sensor Strength = 40? With the same ECM strength of 10, gives a 25% chance to jam for 5 seconds...

ECM is fine. People who get falconed forget that there is a whole ship fighting them dedicated exclusively to knock them out, thats fine. Anyone who has done a bit of small gang pvp will confirm that ECM is easy to counter and the ships who can field it very weak most of the time.

Current mechanic gives 50% chance to jam for 20 seconds.
Balanced mechanic would give a 50% chance to jam for 10 seconds (including the relative opposed strengths of attacker / defender.)

maybe there should be an upper limit, say 95% to always allow for potential fails

Rise just doesn't like Capgu...

But I do kinda like that stacking penalty idea, would reduce the frequency of permajamming with tons of stacked jams. Though having a flight of ecm drones would stack against each other? That might not be the best idea as they are only effective in groups.

A simple example: (with arbitrary values for ease of illustration)

Falcon Pilot has ECM strength of 10
Target has Sensor Strength of 20

Current mechanic gives 50% chance to jam for 20 seconds.
Balanced mechanic would give a 50% chance to jam for 10 seconds (including the relative opposed strengths of attacker / defender.)

ECM is fine. People who get falconed forget that there is a whole ship fighting them dedicated exclusively to knock them out, thats fine.

Anyone who has done a bit of small gang pvp will confirm that ECM is easy to counter and the ships who can field it very weak most of the time.

this is very true and the second your jams fail you better either be warping out or you are dead however Rise has a vendetta against ecm it seems to the point he has even said he wants to remove it and as a primarily ecm pilot i would hate to see that

Do enlighten me, which ship would that be?



How do you easily counter ECM in small gangs without counter ecm/damps?



Blob fights aside, considering that a dedicated ECM ship can permajam few targets from 80-100 km away, how exactly are you going to die?



And this all without even considering the solo pvp aspect.

Do enlighten me, which ship would that be?

How do you easily counter ECM in small gangs without counter ecm/damps?

Blob fights aside, considering that a dedicated ECM ship can permajam few targets from 80-100 km away, how exactly are you going to die?

And this all without even considering the solo pvp aspect.

I didn't think there was anything wrong with ECM to begin with. You either set up for perma jams and have a weak tank or use ECM as a supplementary defensive tool. Either way, a Jam boat is still vulnerable to a 2 man fleet.

Don't fight an ECM boat solo, simple as that. The same as you wouldn't solo a Marauder. On the other side, don't take an ECM boat out expecting to solo roam and survive. They are fleet ships they really on logi and dps to be effective. They are pretty balanced in my opinion.

But i don't use ECM and it's annoying as hell when its used against me so just take it out

Have you ever flown an ECM boat? Because being able to permajam everything is a joke in itself. This is especially true if the entire fleet is using ECCM. When that happens you feel like a completely useless ship. If you wanted to complain about something why not complain how damps and tracking disruptors perma damp/disrupt you. Personally I find it hilarious when people bring up that solo pvp card because Eve is not meant to be played alone, and a Pilgrim is a much better solo pvp platform then the Falcon ever could be with the exception of going up against missile boats.

-ECCM is a joke. Seriously, try doing the math. I have.

Lol
There is rumored to be a magical weapon that counters ECM. I believe it is a type of missile launcher. Rumor has it that these missile launcher can fire a special kind of missile that will distinguish between friend or foe and will automatically attack enemies even when perma jammed. Oh if only I could get my hands on these magical missiles, then I would be able to still defend myself whilst being jammed.

Hm? It nearly doubles your resistance to ECM.

I have another idea for ECM.

It just came to me when I thought about how this would be cool and even more annoying:

Compiz gave me that idea. So everytime you get jammed, your screen shows you a wobble instead of a clear screen and depending on the strenght of the jam, the worse the wobble.

You can still lock target if you manage to click+lock a target, since your overview screen becomes a blank one and the wobble gets more intense the more you move the cursor around.

For example, a multispectrum jammer has a lower strenght, so the wobble isn't so strong but you will still have a hard time getting a lock.

If you are jammed by a 'right' racial jammer, the screen gets even a faint white noise displayed - scary stuff.

And ontop of it all, all jammers will produce false brackets in space - as in you might get a target lock but since jammers produce false signatures (ships and drone brackets), you might end up shooting your fleet buddies.

But the amount of false signatures will be less if you are not in a fleet.

Now that would give a white noise generator a whole new meaning

-For unbonused hulls the drone control range is 60km, if the ECM ship is closer than that then he has screwed up.
-ECCM is a joke. Seriously, try doing the math. I have.
-FOF missiles are broken as well. Try firing them and see what happens (hint: a bug CCP haven't gotten around to fixing).
-Burning towards the jammer works as far as there are no scrams/webs on you. Enough said.

There is no reason to complain about damps or td's because they aren't broken as ****.

Also, who the hell do you think you are telling people how eve is meant to be played? Eve pvp was never meant to be done with ECM. See? I can do that too.

What do you think of the idea of changing racial jammers to scripts to be loaded into a multispec jammer, along with your current idea? I think it's stupid that caldari jam boats are forced to armor tank since they have to fill up so many slots with ecm.

God doesn't play dice