No this removes way to much choice from the pilot/FC and makes ECM much more powerful than it should be right now it is in a good place



and ECM ships do not armor tank the ecm is their tank at the same time they can chose to forgo jams to fit more tank just like they can forgo armor to have stronger jams

-There are utility high slots on alot of PVP ships that extends the drone control range by 24km per module.
-How is ECCM a joke, it halves the chance for every module you have on (Before stacking penatlies). The only change I could possibly see here is allowing ECCM to give a bonus to scan res and targeting range similar to that of a sig amp.
-You are right, they are broken, but they still work, some DPS is better then no DPS
-If you are flying in a small gang, which this thread seems to be focused around, the entire fleet isn't going to be webbed and scrammed.

In terms of TD/SD, all they do different from ECM is give you the illusion that you can still do something if you are properly TD/SD'd.

When did I tell people how to play the game? Just because we are playing rock paper scissors and you refuse to play rock doesn't mean you can complain that the scissors is overpowered.

Didn't we already cover this in another repeat thread?

So to counter an ecm ship with drone control range upgrading modules you would need at least one or in some cases even two utility high slots that have no better purpose than to fit a cpu-costly anti-falcon module that has a chance of chasing the ship off the field? The chance based on the drones actually making it to the ecm ship and taking its slim buffer out in time. Obviously you'd also need a ship hull that has both the targeting range AND scan resolution to be able to target the falcon before the jams begin. Yea right.

I've tried EFTing an anti-ecm battlecruiser hull with both ECCM modules and the racial sensor strength implants (all skills V). The chance of a falcon landing the jams is still HUGE (all skills V).

Um, no the missiles don't work. Thats what the broken part means. When you try launching them in space you get the message "there are no viable targets nearby" and they won't fire at all. This in situations when there are ships directly next to you within 10km.

When tracking disrupted you CAN still use your drones. With ECM the drones go blind. When tracking disrupted you CAN still use your ewar/missiles. With ECM NOTHING. With TD you can still fire your turrets even if the chances of hitting have been weakened. With ECM there go the turrets as well.

When damped you CAN still try targeting ships. Only in situations when your targeting range has been minimised to the absolute zero the effect is as great as it is with all of ECM. And in the situations when your targeting has been gimped there is a great chance that there are less targets within the scram range leaving you able to use your propulsion modules. And if they are within the scram range you are at least capable of trying to take them out since they've commited to the fight. With ECM? No chance at all.

Em is not broken. It is just about as easy to counter as anything else. Instead of looking at elm, , maybe you should look at the counters to nuets and vamps seeing as batterys currently only reflect a small amount.

Now this I support. I would like to see power diagnostics have a small reflect amount or dedicated lows or mids that reflect more. Possibly even a utility high, call it Capacitor Mirror or Ghost Capacitor. Would use x amount of energy to power on but imitates the actual ship capacitor making the neuts or vamps pull from the fake capacitor leaving the real one mostly unaffected. The energy cost to activate this module should be about the same as what a energy neutralized activation cost is per size. That way it still drains the host ship's cap but doesn't allow for immunity from neuts.

-For unbonused hulls the drone control range is 60km, if the ECM ship is closer than that then he has screwed up.
-ECCM is a joke. Seriously, try doing the math. I have.
-FOF missiles are broken as well. Try firing them and see what happens (hint: a bug CCP haven't gotten around to fixing).
-Burning towards the jammer works as far as there are no scrams/webs on you. Enough said.

Yes I have flown an ecm boat. Now let me ask you, have you ever been jammed? A while ago i witnessed a player soloing in a carrier and a set of five hornet ec-300's landed a cycle of jams on him on average every 30-45 seconds. The fight lasted for five minutes and during that time he didn't have a single minute period without ecm on him. Also I cant remember the last time I had a fight (either solo or small gang) where I was only partially jammed. Its always either permajammed or no more than a yellow box on you from the ECM ship as long as the miracle of him fleeing the field isn't happening.

There is no reason to complain about damps or td's because they aren't broken as ****.

Also, who the hell do you think you are telling people how eve is meant to be played? Eve pvp was never meant to be done with ECM. See? I can do that too.

I've seen EC-300s do nothing to a cruiser, so please don't tell me that they have ever once jammed a carrier. I'm going to go test this soon, but until I see it, I'm going to call you a liar.