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Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.14 17:35:00 - [31] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 14/10/2006 17:35:37 A battleship with a few heavy nos or neutralizers and a command ship cant tank any longer... I think they are too vulnerable, at least for solo pvp. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.14 17:39:00 - [32] Edited by: keepiru on 14/10/2006 17:39:35 Thats true for basically everything apart from another BS with nos or injectors tho. Med Electrochemical w. 800s wont cut the mustard, but we'll how the tide turns if/when nos/ew get nuuuuurfed... ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 17:42:00 - [33] Originally by: keepiru Edited by: keepiru on 14/10/2006 17:39:35 Thats true for basically everything apart from another BS with nos or injectors tho. Med Electrochemical w. 800s wont cut the mustard, but we'll how the tide turns if/when nos/ew get nuuuuurfed... Well considering astarte's sig, it won't change anything, really. 1 heavy neut = 1 very dead astarte. Sig is not eve related Eve related? Copyright of ISD?
without	Posted - 2006.10.14 17:44:00 - [34] why are galante hac/cs the ones with the biggest sigs? is it not normally minm < amarr < galante < caldari also the problem with CS [well not problem but what keeps them in line is that they dont have the HP of a bs if they had that, WTB CS bpos]
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.14 17:51:00 - [35] Dunno. Its certainly a little silly that the sig of the brutix hulls (300m) is a whole 20m smaller than that of a typhoon (320m), when a cyclone (240m) is less than twice the sig of a thorax (140m). Even if they're in the right order, the larger BC sigs are much too large. ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.14 17:52:00 - [36] Originally by: without why are galante hac/cs the ones with the biggest sigs? Because they look like ***** extensions. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
without	Posted - 2006.10.14 18:04:00 - [37] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: without why are galante hac/cs the ones with the biggest sigs? Because they look like *** extensions. you got one weird looking *** if you think the astarte/eos/ishtar is what one looks like
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.14 18:07:00 - [38] Yeah, if yours looks like an ishtar, go see a doctor. Green aint a healthy colour, bud. ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.14 18:08:00 - [39] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 14/10/2006 18:09:51 To be serious, I dont really know why the gallente ships have bigger sigs than caldari. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
without	Posted - 2006.10.14 18:11:00 - [40] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 14/10/2006 18:09:51 To be serious, I dont really know why the gallente ships have bigger sigs than caldari. i suggest increasing the caldari CS/HAC sigs then
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.14 18:13:00 - [41] Originally by: without Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 14/10/2006 18:09:51 To be serious, I dont really know why the gallente ships have bigger sigs than caldari. i suggest increasing the caldari CS/HAC sigs then Because I dont know the reason? Hehe... thats flattering in a way... :) --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Majin82 Caldari g guild	Posted - 2006.10.14 18:16:00 - [42] Originally by: without Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 14/10/2006 18:09:51 To be serious, I dont really know why the gallente ships have bigger sigs than caldari. i suggest increasing the caldari CS/HAC sigs then Our Crazy Mass is enough punishment! ------------------------------------- Proud member of G Guild!
without	Posted - 2006.10.14 18:16:00 - [43] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: without Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 14/10/2006 18:09:51 To be serious, I dont really know why the gallente ships have bigger sigs than caldari. i suggest increasing the caldari CS/HAC sigs then Because I dont know the reason? Hehe... thats flattering in a way... :) take every opertunity you can to nerf them missile spwing ugly bastages
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.14 18:25:00 - [44] Lets just decrease the larger BC/CS sigs instead, k? I mean, take a look at this, sigs of tier-3 cruiser and of BC for each race: CALD 135/285 - 111% increase AMAR 130/265 - 103% increase MINM 130/240 - 84% increase GALL 140/300 - 114 % increase Most of them are more than twice the size of the biggest cruiser - wouldnt you say its a bit overkill? ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
without	Posted - 2006.10.14 18:28:00 - [45] Originally by: keepiru Lets just decrease the larger BC/CS sigs instead, k? I mean, take a look at this, sigs of tier-3 cruiser and of BC for each race: CALD 135/285 - 111% increase AMAR 130/265 - 103% increase MINM 130/240 - 84% increase GALL 140/300 - 114 % increase Most of them are more than twice the size of the biggest cruiser - wouldnt you say its a bit overkill? no their sig is fine, how do you expect them to do the same or more than BS DPS and not have similar sig although id say the galante and caldari sigs should be reversed. also the astarte needs another low slot.
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.14 18:31:00 - [46] Edited by: keepiru on 14/10/2006 18:31:39 But BCs dont do BS-level DPS. Thats one of the major advatages of HACs - they have the sig a shipclass much smaller than what a ship with those capabilities usually have, and thats one of the extant problems of BC/CCs. ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
without	Posted - 2006.10.14 18:50:00 - [47] Originally by: keepiru Edited by: keepiru on 14/10/2006 18:31:39 But BCs dont do BS-level DPS. Thats one of the major advatages of HACs - they have the sig a shipclass much smaller than what a ship with those capabilities usually have, and thats one of the extant problems of BC/CCs. if you give the CS 200-220 sig range they with the better agility it would be a majour boost they are fine as is imo, they can kill things lower than themselfs easy, and its a close math with BS
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.14 19:03:00 - [48] Edited by: keepiru on 14/10/2006 19:03:21 Whoppy-doo, something that takes twice as long as a BS to train for and you can kill cruisers welll with it - thats as daft as keeping the NH as a frigate killer. I'm going to wait and see what the effect of Kali 1 is on them, but I am an unabashed BC/CS partisan ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
without	Posted - 2006.10.14 19:22:00 - [49] Originally by: keepiru Edited by: keepiru on 14/10/2006 19:03:21 Whoppy-doo, something that takes twice as long as a BS to train for and you can kill cruisers welll with it - thats as daft as keeping the NH as a frigate killer. I'm going to wait and see what the effect of Kali 1 is on them, but I am an unabashed BC/CS partisan i think you will find that a BS takes longer to train for than a command ship. large t2 guns vs medium t2 guns large t2 drones vs small t2 drones same cap/shields/armor/ecm/ect skills
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.14 19:43:00 - [50] Fly & Maxed ship bonus necessary skills: BS: 1x Rank 8 to 5, 1x Rank 5 to 4 (cruiser prereq) Command Ships 5: 1x Rank 6 to 5, 1x Rank 5 to 5 (cruiser 5 prereq), 1x Rank 1 to 5, 1x Rank 6 to 4, 1x Rank 8 to 5. Plus a rank 6 to 4 if you want to fly fleet ships on top. ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
Thayder	Posted - 2006.10.14 19:47:00 - [51] Edited by: Thayder on 14/10/2006 19:52:33 Edited by: Thayder on 14/10/2006 19:52:09 Edited by: Thayder on 14/10/2006 19:51:34 Originally by: without Originally by: keepiru Edited by: keepiru on 14/10/2006 19:03:21 Whoppy-doo, something that takes twice as long as a BS to train for and you can kill cruisers welll with it - thats as daft as keeping the NH as a frigate killer. I'm going to wait and see what the effect of Kali 1 is on them, but I am an unabashed BC/CS partisan i think you will find that a BS takes longer to train for than a command ship. large t2 guns vs medium t2 guns large t2 drones vs small t2 drones same cap/shields/armor/ecm/ect skills AHAHHHAHAHAHAHA! AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH! Squad Com V Seige War Spec V Science V Cybernetics V cruiser v bc V Com Ships IV Heavy missile spec V rapid launch V Electronics V afew drone and missile skills that seem to be overlooked often FIVE GOD DAMNED ENG SKILLS MAXED EVEN THOUGH THE EQUIVALENT ARMOR SKILLS ARE HALF THE RANK ...but I digress. maxing out a bs=6 months maxing out a command=13 months. getting in a bs and using proper mods=1-2 months getting in a com and using proper mods = 5 months im on month eight, i feel the burn. Edit Ya know what, theres no need for a **ing contest go download http://evemon.evercrest.com/ and find out for yourself. Oh and QuickFit too, seems that you dont have that either...
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.14 20:07:00 - [52] now now... talking about gang modules and bs are 2 different things. Anyway, gallente cs sucks. Sig is not eve related Eve related? Copyright of ISD?
Elliott Manchild omen.	Posted - 2006.10.15 03:07:00 - [53] Edited by: Elliott Manchild on 15/10/2006 03:07:34 Originally by: LUKEC now now... talking about gang modules and bs are 2 different things. Anyway, gallente cs sucks. Astarte makes me cry its to god damn big, i like my sleip so much more
LaCoHa Caldari Deep Space Navy Caldari Deep Space Industral	Posted - 2006.10.15 10:32:00 - [54] Originally by: Toaster Oven Command ships seems cool. That is until you come across your standard ECM NOS Domi and get wtfpwned in your 200M isk toy I can confirm this from experience.
LaCoHa Caldari Deep Space Navy Caldari Deep Space Industral	Posted - 2006.10.15 10:36:00 - [55] And as to the OP - I think the concensus is right, BS > CS one vs one. However, like most ships, they for sure have their strengths. CS + HAC (BS, CS) vs BS = dead BS. So just try to pick your targets. Oh yeah, and dont follow a brutix to a gate to gate gank it when a corp mate has written in corp chat "Dont Attack Brutix, his buddy in Domi is at gate in next system waiting for you to aggro!!!" oh well.. live and learn.
Nick Parker Caldari Rogue Elements	Posted - 2006.10.15 11:17:00 - [56] From my experience, it depends on the user completely, and the setup. If it wasn't for nos/neutralizers, a Command ship would make BS outside of fleets useless. With a Proper setup BS however, the fight is yours.
Twin blade	Posted - 2006.10.15 11:22:00 - [57] 1 Neut most of the time will kill a CS nothing worst than losing like half your cap and have the rest drained by Nos tank and gun's.
Masochist Shinra	Posted - 2006.10.15 11:38:00 - [58] Edited by: Masochist on 15/10/2006 11:38:50 As long as CCP ain't releasing Nos/drainers signature based. You"ll die a swift dead in your T2 BC. (next time I'll read other posts first)
starship enginer	Posted - 2006.10.15 11:43:00 - [59] Originally by: Masochist Edited by: Masochist on 15/10/2006 11:38:50 As long as CCP ain't releasing Nos/drainers signature based. You"ll die a swift dead in your T2 BC. (next time I'll read other posts first) a medium cap injecter with 800s adds 36.36 cap per second, that is more than 3 heavy nosf neutrilised for one mid slot. imo more than fair!! you dont like nosf. fit one medium cap injector with 800s
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.15 12:18:00 - [60] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 15/10/2006 12:21:36 Originally by: starship enginer Originally by: Masochist Edited by: Masochist on 15/10/2006 11:38:50 As long as CCP ain't releasing Nos/drainers signature based. You"ll die a swift dead in your T2 BC. (next time I'll read other posts first) a medium cap injecter with 800s adds 36.36 cap per second, that is more than 3 heavy nosf neutrilised for one mid slot. imo more than fair!! you dont like nosf. fit one medium cap injector with 800s Medium cap injectors only have room for one 800 charge, then you have to reload. The battleship has room for 4. I dont think you will win the cap race. :) Besides, heavy nos means the battleship can stay at 19km from you and just nos you to death even without his own cap injectors. You need him to be at 10-12 km for you to nos him. Command ships are generally abit faster than battleships though, so you might get in range after a while. But still, the amount you gain from your nos will be sucked right back by his heavy nos. Most battleship pvp setups have either nos or cap injectors. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate

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