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Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec
CODE.
4812
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Posted - 2015.03.10 02:42:37 -
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Praxis Ginimic wrote:You don't log your titan alt in unless you get pinged and then you run for csm.
Plenty of people do driveby doomsdays with their Titans.
Of course, doing so can be risky...
Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Vote #1 Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
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Kraft Ogburn
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2015.03.10 03:38:36 -
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Cara Forelli wrote:
Can you fly an exhumer? No. But you can fly a venture. And guess what, mining is mining.
Can you fly a blackops battleship? Nope. But you can fly a bomber, so you can still participate in hotdrops.
Can you lead a fleet? Maybe not, but participating in them is the only way to get the experience you need to do that.
Can you fly a t2 logistics cruiser? No. But the t1 options are nearly as good and no one will ever say no to more logi.
You just described the end game, and the starter content for each activity. Some of which take a few weeks to get into, and a few months, to get into all of them, maybe 2 years to master them.
When some guy comes along and asks you. "What is EVEs end game like?" just say:
Can you fly an exhumer?
Can you fly a blackops battleship?
Can you lead a fleet?
Can you fly a t2 logistics cruiser?
Then describe to that person what each of those things is like.
Dont just say "Eve doesnt have an end game"
If you want to help out newbros. Just answer the question, and dont be vague about it. Say "Well, its like this, its like having oodles of space cash and being awesome at everything you do, you know, like every other MMO in existence"
And yeah a closer smaller tight knit group would be preferrable, but I knew that before hand. I just didnt listen because, well, Goons are annoying in every other game and usually wrong, and theyre the ones saying "Brave will treat you like cannon fodder!"
And no you dont need perfect skills, but theres is something to be said for losing like 18% of your refining, or not being able to tackle rats that drop the things that pay for you to go get blowed up, or that shiny new scan enhancer that lets you do that data site. I mean even Eve uni and Eve survival both list what ships and loadouts work best for things. You dont want to go doing things that you have no hope of actually being able to DO.
I think that holds true for many of the bits of advice you hear to new players. "Dive in" being the worst offender. Because you have no idea what youre doing, and end up in places its difficult to get out of. Whereas, why not take your time and view all the cool things Eve has to offer, before diving into one facet and sucking at it.
At least read the signs at the pool ya know? Know how deep the pool is, where youre diving in, how you should dive. *shrug* just a different perspective I guess. Im having more fun now simply doing whatever I want and learning about the game, than I was when I was desperately trying to find "the activity that suits me".
A little bit of everything suits me.
I just need to find Eve friends that do that too. I might not want to mine, or FW, or do sites every day. I might want to roam lowsec looking for a fight or try and find cheap things to buy and resell at a profit, or run customs with illegal goods. Whatever. And when you can do those things at least moderately well from the get go, its alot more fun than being blown up repeatedly as some faceless newbro.
Theres probably not a right or wrong approach to Eve, im just sharing my experience and I want other new players to know what I wish I listened to. Was that taking your time and reading up, and getting to learn the game, is valuable.
I did really enjoy the classes I listened in on in Brave. I just couldnt live out there in Catch paying exhorberent prices for my ships and be whined at because I didnt want to wait a week to fly a vexor.
You can do your own thang too. Thats fine.
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Ned Thomas
Signal Cartel
EvE-Scout Enclave
1088
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Posted - 2015.03.10 03:46:55 -
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For the record, my current goal is being able to get in and out of places and taking interesting screenshots while doing do. Not real sure what all the "Can you fly this kind of ship" chatter is about. Honestly, why the hell would I fly a Black Ops battleship?
EDIT: At some point my goals and playstyle will probably change. Don't know when, don't know how, don't care. Get over it and have fun.
Don't get lost alone - Join Signal Cartel, New Eden's premier haven for explorers!
Onward to Thera with Eve Scout
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Phig Neutron
Rubicon Cubism
58
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Posted - 2015.03.10 04:04:07 -
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Kraft Ogburn wrote:[quote=Cara Forelli]You just described the end game, and the starter content for each activity. Some of which take a few weeks to get into, and a few months, to get into all of them, maybe 2 years to master them.
When some guy comes along and asks you. "What is EVEs end game like?" just say:
Can you fly an exhumer?
Can you fly a blackops battleship?
Can you lead a fleet?
Can you fly a t2 logistics cruiser?
Then describe to that person what each of those things is like.
Dont just say "Eve doesnt have an end game"
Eve doesn't have an end game.
You are contradicting yourself. First you insisted the game has an end game. First it was becoming famous or something. Then it was about flying the biggest ships or having 100 million skillpoints. Then you seemed to suggest that we had to do every activity in EVE on the same day to win the game. Now it's "the end game for each activity". So... the fact that you can do something as a novice and then get better at it, that's how low you're setting the bar?
How are those four activities you selected the necessary core things that one must do to achieve the "end" of EVE? Are you saying that when you first FC a fleet with an exhumer, a BLOPS, and a logistics cruiser, you could check off the final "achievement" and retire from EVE? Nonsense. This I will concede: the game might have an end if there was a finite list of activities, but the "list of activities" in EVE is infinite, and that's what most of us mean when we say that the game has no end. No matter what list you come up with, somebody can come up with more activities that you didn't think of.
How about the following for "achievements"?
- Ransom somebody's ship for a real-life pizza delivery.
- Create a 3D sculpture out of cargo containers in the EVE gate system.
- Create a new right-wing talk radio show in the EVE universe and win the ratings game.
- Hunt down and kill the first guy who ever exploded your internet spaceship... 10 years later.
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Mephiztopheleze
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
35
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Posted - 2015.03.10 05:04:50 -
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I think this graph might interest you. In many ways, I hope it's inaccurate: http://jestertrek.com/eve/blog/2012/evefun.png
Kei Kitsugama wrote:I hope you know what I mean, like 5 million skillpoints in.
wow, someone even newer to the game than me! welcome fellow bittervet fodder!
Kei Kitsugama wrote:Do corps want people who use Covops, Blackops etc ships?
Yes.
CovOps are valuable scouts, bombers are cheap and cheerful DPS. Black Ops battleships are, currently, used as little more than Bomber Cannons.
I personally hope CCP give BLOPS battleships a little bit of TLC (Tier-2 resists mostly) as I have an alt slowly, but steadily, training towards them.
Phig Neutron wrote:How about the following for "achievements"?
- Hunt down and kill the first guy who ever exploded your internet spaceship... 10 years later.
I think I'm going to have to try that one!
Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze
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Chal0ner
Coreli Corporation
The Kadeshi
165
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Posted - 2015.03.10 07:26:14 -
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I've played Eve since 2008. I've co-run a null-sec alliance, and a top ranking pvp corp (somewhat well known ex-pirate corp; being a member of that corp actually got me out of a tight spot once).
I was a miner for a year, I can't mine gas efficiently any longer, I can't fly titans, I prolly can get into a super (on my pvp character), but not fit it, but why I'd want that nowadays I don't know.
I don't give a BEEEEEEEEEEEEEP about endgames, not worrying about that. |
Memphis Baas
197
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Posted - 2015.03.10 10:18:30 -
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Corps want active pilots.
A new recruit can train the ships a corp needs, eventually, but if the recruit never logs on or doesn't participate, what's the point? Corp goals don't get accomplished if everyone is offline, or doing their own thing solo.
This is why you'll always see recruitment ads for "anyone interested", and you'll never see "looking to recruit healers logistics pilots only" for example. |
Bastion Arzi
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
208
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Posted - 2015.03.10 12:48:36 -
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Depends on what ur goals are. for me end game might be once I'm satisfied with my sub cap training and have then invested time into something to make isk with to fund my pvp addiction.
Then again once I've done that there's always capitals, exploration, science, pi etc.
Think I read somewhere that it would take 15 years to learn all the skills. Don't hold me to that tho.
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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
419
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Posted - 2015.03.10 20:28:30 -
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Kraft Ogburn wrote:
Cant mine ice, cant build T2, cant fly Caps, cant fly Barges, cant mine gas, cant hack all the sites, cant beat level 5 missions.
Nope, theres ALOT of content locked off to you, for months and months.
Just getting to Strip Miners with Mining Crystals will take you quite a while, especially if youre also trying to participate in all the other activities.
Not to mention the isk to fit these things out.
you can mine on day 1 not being able to fly a barge does not prevent you from mining But if you want to be in a barge ya that will take a week from a brand new toon with no skills and not including the bonus you get when you are new since I'm not sure what they are doing with that now but you can be in a barge with strips and mining ice in about a week with a virgin toon on a brand new account.
gas mining takes you 1day 29 minutes again that is from a fresh toon no implants no bonus. You can hack in single digit hours,I have max hacking skills and still fail sites. You can do manufacturing pretty much immediately. Sure if you want to whine about only being able to produce tech one stuff then you are looking at about a week and a half to manufacture tech 2. Sure if you want to do it all at once it would take more time but there is too much for you to learn in this game to do it all at once. If I were to give you a 100 million skill point toon you would not even know where to begin with T2 manufacturing. You need to learn the game first.
Kraft Ogburn wrote:
Nah, you guys are wrong. Im playing the game. I see it. Im not blind. I see 72 days to get a Jump Frieghter.
So if I ever want to use a hyper jump on my own. Its going to take more than Day 2. Heck if I just want to fit a Microwarp drive onto a Cheetah. Thats going to take me weeks.
What if I want to have my own Jump Clone bay? Heck what if I just want a jump clone. What if I want a T2 implant. All of this content is locked until you put it a minimum number of hours, which are far beyond the first days.
No. You cant just come in here and do anything. You can come in here and be a target for you people. Thats its. If you dont want to be a target for you bittervets however...yeah you want to take your time, skill up, get isk, learn the game, and then you can participate in activities and slowly unlock all the content.
Cap ships do take a while especially the one and only tech 2 cap ship in game. Not sure what you mean by hyper drive but if you mean jumping to a cyno beacon that can not be done alone not with a billion skill points. Cyno jumping takes at least 2 ships and you can do it in a frig if you are using a jump bridge or a titan bridge and the skills for that I don't recall taking long but regardless I don't think anyone would call cap ships end game. I don't even think that I've ever met anyone that has actually flown a cap ship for any length of time that calls it something fun to do. Cap ships are like a necessary evil that people train alts for.
Level 5 missions are not supposed to be done alone they are intended to be group missions and even on a 10 year old toon soloing them is not a good idea if it were even possible which I don't think it is for all of them. You can do level 5 missions very early on with the right fleet probably even the first day.
As far as jump clones go you are looking at 8 minutes to get access to one. Clone vat bays can only be used on Rorquals and maybe titans again you are going to have to convince me that cap ship piloting is some kind of end game that makes things fun because again the simple fact is that most cap ship pilots are alts which means you spend most of your time having fun on some other toon in frigs and cruisers and get in your cap ship when the Alliance needs it.
As far as making isk plenty of people have made over a billion isk in their first week on a new toon with no outside help. I have said it repeatedly there is no activity in this game with the exception of cap ship piloting that you are locked out of doing for any substantial length of time. Most stuff can be done in your first day and if you want to whine about tech 2 manufacturing taking a week and a half then go ahead. Yes you can not do it all at once but this game is too deep for you to learn it all at once so get over the skill points. Your skill points are not holding you back from doing anything. Only you are.
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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
419
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Posted - 2015.03.10 20:42:59 -
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Kraft Ogburn wrote:
This takes time and effort and SP. It takes a knowledge of the game you cant have immediately.
Ive been following Eve for 6-8 years, and just started playing 3 months ago. It was still a vertical learning curve for me. Theres still things I cant do, cant do efficiently, havent trained, havent experienced, havent warped too. Theres so much still to learn and do.
If it was true you could do all this stuff on your first day, why would I still be here, attempting to do MOAR THINGS. I want to see Thera, I want to be an FC, I want a corp, I want to build a dreadnaught. Awoxing or theft/crime isnt something im interested in, but I can see how theres an "end game" for that.
I've been playing this game for 6 or 7 years and there is still a long list of things that I have not yet done or seen. Still the only thing that you list here that can not be done on day 1 is dreadnaught manufacturing. Sure you'd be hard pressed to do all of them on day 1 but you could do any one of them on day 1 and do the next one on day 2 etc...
I'm having a hard time understanding how you can see the level to which this game is open ended and expansive yet still argue that there is an "end game"
Kraft Ogburn wrote:
Im just amazed how obtuse some people are.
That seems to be the pot calling the kettle black if you ask me.
Eve is a sandbox. There is no end game. There is nearly an unlimited number of things you can do in this sandbox and you can do nearly all of them on day 1 you just can't do them all on day 1. So pick one and do it. When you feel you have a good handle on how to do it then move onto the next thing. 5 years from now you'll still be doing that, trying different stuff out and having fun.
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J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
5952
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Posted - 2015.03.10 21:08:15 -
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:*reads thread title*
I don't think anyone knows. No one has reached it yet.
I think a couple have.
It's called unsubbing and not coming back.
Only then, you truely achieved end-game and mastered EVE.
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J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
5952
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Posted - 2015.03.10 21:09:25 -
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Kraft Ogburn wrote:
Cant mine ice, cant build T2, cant fly Caps, cant fly Barges, cant mine gas, cant hack all the sites, cant beat level 5 missions.
Nope, theres ALOT of content locked off to you, for months and months.
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Lol
You do know that half of what you listed can easily be done, within 2 months tops.
Hell, the rest of that post is just filled with so much BS that for the sake of humanity, I deleted it so it doesn't pollute the forum again.
Kraft, I never in 5 years of EVE (of which a good 4 active on the forum helping new players) I've never seen somoene as uninformed and wrong as you.
Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded
Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Brawlers Inc.
1503
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Posted - 2015.03.10 21:10:06 -
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J'Poll wrote:BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:*reads thread title*
I don't think anyone knows. No one has reached it yet. I think a couple have. It's called unsubbing and not coming back. Only then, you truely achieved end-game and mastered EVE.
Actually my goal is to still be subbed, but be able to affect the game through only forum posts and evemails.
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J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
5952
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Posted - 2015.03.10 21:18:50 -
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ISD Athechu wrote:My end game is to help all the new pilots that come to join us in New Eden :)
(If i'm going to aim for something going to aim high :D)
My End game...make Ezwal's life as miserable as possible by chasing away as much new players
Naah, we need newbies...we love newbies, they (well most of the time) are all so nice and fluffy and hug-able...
Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded
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ISD Athechu
ISD STAR
277
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Posted - 2015.03.10 22:51:50 -
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J'Poll wrote:ISD Athechu wrote:My end game is to help all the new pilots that come to join us in New Eden :)
(If i'm going to aim for something going to aim high :D) My End game...make Athechu's life as miserable as possible by chasing away as much new players *p.s. Your name still sounds like you have a cold* Naah, we need newbies...we love newbies, they (well most of the time) are all so nice and fluffy and hug-able...
Yeah....too much effort to convince a rename...
New Pilots!!! \o/
ISD Athechu
Commander
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
4669
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Posted - 2015.03.10 23:27:40 -
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J'Poll wrote:Naah, we need newbies...we love newbies, they (well most of the time) are all so nice and fluffy and hug-able...
For some reason "To Serve Man", and "A Modest Proposal" come to mind.
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Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec
CODE.
4816
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Posted - 2015.03.11 00:08:09 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:J'Poll wrote:Naah, we need newbies...we love newbies, they (well most of the time) are all so nice and fluffy and hug-able... For some reason "To Serve Man", and "A Modest Proposal" come to mind.
Ah, A Modest Proposal was what I call hipster trolling.
Trolling before it was cool.
Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Vote #1 Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
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Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
652
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Posted - 2015.03.11 02:08:48 -
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Kei Kitsugama wrote:Perhaps I didn't explain myself properly.
The main thing I enjoy in games is recon/support. I play (or used to play) World of Tanks, where I just dedicated myself to becoming a better scout/recon player. I had 2 Light tanks for each tier 3-10
Unfortunately as time went on, recon/scout is starting to become less of a role, and more of a sub role.
So I thought I would try EVE again and see if there was an option to take something of a recon/support role in corps here as well.
The reason I mentioned "end game" is because I'm not sure how the group meta is like in this game when you work with more experienced and higher SP playeres.
Are recon/support ships wanted in groups? Is there an overpopulation? Or do people just want tacklers all the time?
I'm asking because atm I'm thinking on focusing on the role I've enjoyed in other games most. Maybe I may change my mind in 50 million SP, but I just wanted some idea as to whether to commit to that path.
Or whether its a dead end.
Scouts and logistics/ewar pilots should always be welcome additions to fleets and to corps. As long as you can find a group that accepts you're new and need to learn and practice the ins and outs of each role then I see no problem with doing things the way you want to.
Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
49003
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Posted - 2015.03.11 02:33:11 -
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Contrary to what most of the posters have said, there is in fact different 'End Games' within Eve. For example :
I made a goal years ago to complete all Event Agents available in this game. The majority of these Agents can only be completed once in the life of the character. As such there is an 'End Game' to them.
Currently I've completed almost all of the Empire Event Agents and am now starting to look at the Pirate Event Agents. Once I complete them, that's the 'End Game' for Event Agents.
Same thing can be said about Exploration. If you run and complete all Exploration sites by working up through the various levels and that's available for all Factions, you will eventually reach the 'End Game' for Exploration.
And for those who keep saying you can't play this game solo .........
ISD Athechu wrote:My end game is to help all the new pilots that come to join us in New Eden :)
(If i'm going to aim for something going to aim high :D)
This made me chuckle.
Thanks .....................
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec
CODE.
4820
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Posted - 2015.03.12 05:43:18 -
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Confirming that there are always uses for scouting and recon work.
I do quite a bit of this at the moment - monitoring various sources of intel searching for possible targets. There's a lot you can do along those lines.
It takes a *lot* of game knowledge, threat assessment and opportunity assessment to succeed at this line of work, but by all means have it in mind as a goal.
Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Vote #1 Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
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Leoric Firesword
Rolling Static
Gone Critical
122
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Posted - 2015.03.12 14:31:37 -
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Kei Kitsugama wrote:I hope you know what I mean, like 5 million skillpoints in.
I'm working on doing exploration, but I wonder what it branches out to in terms of gameplay options later on down the track.
Do corps want people who use Covops, Blackops etc ships?
I'm 25 million skillpoints in and I've not see any hint of this endgame you speak of.
it doesn't exist. the endgame of eve is what you make it to be. My "end game" is a tengu running WH sites, ya know up until I can run a capital, then it'll be capital escalations in WHs |
Alaric Faelen
Sabotage Incorporated
Executive Outcomes
321
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Posted - 2015.03.14 03:15:44 -
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What I consider 'end-game' in Eve is to rival, even eclipse the NPC lore and empires. We've done that. The superpowers in sov null vastly exceed the NPC empires. We have created our own high sec, basically. (life for the average joe in a sov null alliance isn't much different than in high sec to be honest)
In that sense, we won Eve. We've taken the sandbox empire as far as it will go, and so far beyond what CCP could have imagined that they are now bent on destroying the empires we fought for years to create. CCP is essentially forced to shake the etcha-sketch because we completed the highest objective in the game, which necessarily meant there is no room for anyone else to do it.
And because CCP is determined to make it impossible to have such an empire going forward- it's unlikely that Eve will ever again see that level of realization of player created content.
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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
186
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Posted - 2015.03.15 04:11:36 -
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Kei Kitsugama wrote:I hope you know what I mean, like 5 million skillpoints in.
I'm working on doing exploration, but I wonder what it branches out to in terms of gameplay options later on down the track.
Do corps want people who use Covops, Blackops etc ships?
After reading this whole thing it dawned on me that while everyone has given you excellent answers to secondary questions no one has given you a direct answer to your original question so here is my attempt.
If you mean end game as in followed the game to its end point, done everything that can be done and learned everything that can be learned in the game then your answer is no player knows what EvE is like at end game. The last article I read online stated that to train all skills to level 5 would take like 27 years, since EvE is going on about 15 years it is not possible for anyone to be there yet.
From a practical standpoint many of the games oldest characters are in affect at end game and I will not bother to describe that because the others have done it so well that I have nothing else to add. |
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