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Bluemoon
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Posted - 2003.10.31 06:17:00 -
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Just recently a disgruntled employee of Techell corp, left the corp, taking with him billions of dollers in goods (mostly ships).
In the interview I read on Eve Guardian.com He seems rather unremorseful, almost proud.
I wonder what other Eve citizens think of this incident. Ok, well other than the need to trust no one, and all the calls for ccp action (lets agree to leave those out of this thread please), but let us rather focus on the act of betrayal. How do you feel about this action that was taken? How do think other eve citizens should treat him. Basically do you approve of this, or disapprove of it.
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Zena
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Posted - 2003.10.31 06:34:00 -
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I think its crap. This guy should be 8-balled from the community.
Ya its only a game, but whatever happened to good sportsmanship, honor, and morals??
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Master Scy
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Posted - 2003.10.31 06:38:00 -
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but whatever happened to good sportsmanship, honor, and morals??
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Bobby Wilson
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Posted - 2003.10.31 06:41:00 -
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I personally am indiffent to Techell, no offense but I am sure they can afford a loss. They actually discovered the maximum ammount of Trit you can put in 1 stack, I forget the exact number but regardless they are far from cleaned out, they in fact own pretty much every BP original in the game and AFAIK lost none of those.
No comparison to corps that got ripped off for their BPs.
As for how to treat the man, he joined a pirate corporation and isn't asking to be treated like a saint or a businessman. I suggest you treat him how you treat pirates generally. Either avoid him, run from him or attack them.
I still do not understand what kind of free market economy CCP think can be simulated without integrity of private property (within secure empire anyways), legally binding contracts and penalties for fraud.
I would have thought long ago the black market would be out, and I would have thought that stolen items would/could be branded as stolen and only possible to be sold via the black market. As it is now you can repackage any ship, with any history of ownship or whatever and it's just another identical ship.
I bet I'll never know if by chance I do end up accidently buying one of his ships until the transaction is made...
BW
Originally by: Selim
Cool, congrats.
Oh, stupid idea by the way.
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Goldar Hektu
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Posted - 2003.10.31 07:56:00 -
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Would hate if it happened to me, but I can't really say I have a problem with it. If I can accept PK "pirates," and can looting, I can accept mega corps getting ripped off for billions.
CEOs who ignore middle management probably shouldn't expect any different when there aren't any legal penalties for theft.
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loladoll
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Posted - 2003.10.31 08:05:00 -
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If I look at te movies I have seen recently, a lot of them where about the heroism of theft. Who doesnt remember Tom Cruise hanging from threads and STEALING
Its just part of our culture I guess
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.10.31 09:33:00 -
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So, in Techell's ranking structure, how high up was Falzone?
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Laven
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Posted - 2003.10.31 10:02:00 -
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Players steal from other players by destroying their ships, or players steal from players by emptying out hangers. I am not sure I see a difference, a thief is always a thief.
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2003.10.31 10:23:00 -
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this is too funny actualy
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Kin Hanyerec
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Posted - 2003.10.31 11:46:00 -
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Edited by: Kin Hanyerec on 31/10/2003 11:48:55
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So, in Techell's ranking structure, how high up was Falzone?
As i know from techell's hierarchy there are only 2 levels... The CEOs(who quit, or are in holidays, or doing something else), and the others who trade stuff with the CEOs.
In fact only the CEOs have access to BP and main stuff, so the thief probably stole stuff from members who carelessly put minerals in a corp hangar, but probably not from the corp.
It wouldn't surprise me if Techell will implose in a near future... thx moo 
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Chromosphere
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Posted - 2003.10.31 13:20:00 -
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Edited by: Chromosphere on 31/10/2003 13:21:07
Got to agree, its strange to see such a large and apparently successful corp fall on its knees cos it can't control its own members
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.10.31 13:23:00 -
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falzone is my best friend now, so dont mess with him!
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Beringe
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Posted - 2003.10.31 13:25:00 -
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Does this mean that Space Invaders can suddenly replace all their battleships twice over!? Now that's what I call that a windfall.
Of course, the really amazing part is that Techell seem to be so rich that they can shrug off this loss. I hope nobody quits over this.
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Deloup Drakar
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Posted - 2003.10.31 13:39:00 -
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So far no word from Techell about this, until they come forward about it, this is just another piece of wasted space IMHO.
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.10.31 13:43:00 -
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we dont usually loose battleships, so we wont be needing any from falzone.
and I dont love falzone because of his battleships, it because he's so kind, and lovable and generous.
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2003.10.31 13:58:00 -
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he can show me some affection any day, any time and anywhere
This is not a hijack
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Beringe
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Posted - 2003.10.31 14:03:00 -
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So far no word from Techell about this, until they come forward about it, this is just another piece of wasted space IMHO.
Let me just repost the link here. Not a word, but a whole interview.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.10.31 14:05:00 -
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So far no word from Techell about this, until they come forward about it, this is just another piece of wasted space IMHO.
*cough* Half page interview *cough*
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Singular
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Posted - 2003.10.31 14:08:00 -
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Yep, hes a scumbag, just like the Playboy guy was a scumbag.
Remember he is fkn over his fellow corpmates, not just the CEOs.
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undercover
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Posted - 2003.10.31 14:11:00 -
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My estimation of Space Invaders has plummeted (not that they are worried about this) - he should have asked for a severance cut, not resort to low life theft.
This should be reported to the Concorde *police* for them to trace the thief and exact punishment.
If anyone quits over his action or Techell folds...
People say this should happen, and so should retribution happen. He has admitted to it and should accept his punishment.
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Ian Wagner
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Posted - 2003.10.31 14:37:00 -
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Seems to be a common malady lately, "I was bored, so I <insert antisocial act here>"
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Crysania
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Posted - 2003.10.31 14:38:00 -
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The problem with these games is that there are really no negative effects of doing bad things. It's not like in RL where if you stole something like that, you would most likely be dead.
In our worlds of clones and insurance there will be no downside at all. He can enter empire space and pretend he is a normal citizen and get all the same services that anyone else can get. Who cares if you die, you have unlimited lives. It's not like insurance or clones cost more for criminals because of their status.
I don't mind a game with pirates and thieves, but there needs to be a lifestyle on the run that goes with it. Someone mentioned blackmarket goods. You steal stuff, it gets marked as blackmarket. You enter empire space and concord takes it away. A place where what you did yesterday can easily be forgotten a day or week from now, is a silly place.
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Astrid Tron
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Posted - 2003.10.31 14:47:00 -
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Edited by: Astrid Tron on 31/10/2003 14:48:42
Deceit, betrayal, theft, revenge, salesclerk turns pirate... I think this has all the elements of a great story.
Where are all you that whine about lack of content? You should be cheering you throats sore... Too bad for the members of Techell, but this is what stories are made of - the things people do to each other.
There should always be the possibility of theft and betrayal. I do agree, though, that some sort of repercussions or outlawing or something is needed to up the stakes for the thief.
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Datsevlu
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Posted - 2003.10.31 15:03:00 -
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Edited by: Datsevlu on 31/10/2003 15:04:48
Just an repsonse on this. Falzone was a trusted member from about the second month of the the game. The fact that he did this came a major suprize for me. But what he did will not affect techell and is realy only a minor loss of money is what it comes down to. I feel sorry for people like this because it just shows that people will try to earn your trust just to rip you off and will do this even if it takes months. Although from the information that I recieved last night it seems that in turn he got ripped off from someone that he handed the ships to. And also he did return some of the cruisers that he ripped off.
Part of the reason that he was able to get away with this is because I have been taking a small break from the game.
And let it be known this in no way affects us being able to make battleships and has not crippled us in anyway. I am the only member that has access to the blue prints other then a few that have read only access.
-- Datsevlu
Blow'em up we'll build more.
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Dr Teeth
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Posted - 2003.10.31 15:09:00 -
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at least he's keeping the same character, I have no problem with thieves like that, it's the one's who steal with a disposable alt that annoy me
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Skillz
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Posted - 2003.10.31 15:24:00 -
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He should join Killer Clowns. For that success, we'll propably make him a director in our private property only corp.
Besides, we're considering to join TLBC and m0o's war on techell because they have had the 'CCP gameplay meddeling magical wand and hat' in one form or the other.
The punishment for that is death.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Xander Teg
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Posted - 2003.10.31 15:29:00 -
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I would have thought long ago the black market would be out, and I would have thought that stolen items would/could be branded as stolen and only possible to be sold via the black market.
Soon, Bobby, soon.
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Deadflip2
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Posted - 2003.10.31 15:53:00 -
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and you actually think they woulda given a share?
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Arms Merchant
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Posted - 2003.10.31 16:26:00 -
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Affording the loss is irrelevant. I honestly think all these losers we see in game like the PK griefers and the thieves are really like this in real life. You cant roleplay being unethical it just happens. People will act the way they are in real life. Even pirates like Setec while a pirate was ethical. Hangar thieves are the same ones who steal in real life and gloat about it. In fact it isnt so much the theft thats bad but his apparent lack of remorse at all the real people who spent their time making those ships. He may have fun with them but hes really a coward loser in real life who doesnt care about anyone else but himself.
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Indigo Seqi
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Posted - 2003.10.31 17:08:00 -
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It's interesting, it's exciting, it's something to talk about while at work in the EVe universe. Techell stated they honestly don't care diddley squat. You might call this griefing, but it's another player generated storyline news thingy.
And btw mr. whoever's alt you are:
"My estimation of Space Invaders"
Your estimation of our what? Supply of screwdrivers? I can tell you its quite large.
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Deloup Drakar
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Posted - 2003.10.31 17:18:00 -
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So far no word from Techell about this, until they come forward about it, this is just another piece of wasted space IMHO.
Let me just repost the link here. Not a word, but a whole interview.
I stand corrected.
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Araviel
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Posted - 2003.10.31 17:53:00 -
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i think its good for game play, it adds conflict to the game wich i belive is good.
how would EVE be if everyone was friendly to eachother, just floating around in space and said nice things to eachother?
booring i think :)
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Zagum Darkfin
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Posted - 2003.10.31 18:17:00 -
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Stealing is stealing regardless who did it. It is wrong and this person is a low life for doing it. Even if Techell looses 4 Billion ISK worth of ships, it does not make it ok or right. Wake up people. Also, those who associate themselves with such a theif are as bad and lacking morals themselves.
Backstabbing someone is really low in my book regardless who you do it to. I guess some people have no sense of honor and respect.
I am sure he would feel the same way if someone caught him in the real life and cut off his hand or put him in jail for stealing.
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Skillz
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Posted - 2003.10.31 18:21:00 -
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If stealing is unethical, how about murder and destruction of property. It's a part of the game, stinking carebears.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.10.31 19:10:00 -
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To answer the original question in this thread;
"... what other Eve citizens think of this incident?"
I'd say I think this guy is marginally more disgusting than the Playboy rat, on the grounds that Rhiannon came out and said ...
"muhhahahhahahahah ... muhahahhahahahahah ... I stole it all ... muhahhhaahahhahh"
With no pretence of justification.
Whereas this Falzone geezer claims he was disrepected by Techell management and thus was "owed" his 40+ battleship severence package in some way.
Thats a kind of whack platitude that deserves a bullet in the brain.
Sure, rip off corps, steal fortunes ... fleece the mooks .. whatever you want; its a game.
But come online and try and justify stabbing your mates in the back and stealing all their work ... pshhh ... the stink of hypocrisy.
On the general "stick techell" feeling;
I have always found techell to be cold fish and not very flamboyant or charismatic, and the miner2 thing was kinda aggravating ... you knew they had done absolutely nothing wrong, but it still grated to pay a 100x markup.
Did they have this coming?
Irrelevent really, its a question of whether this falzone guy is worth 3.0 billion for his work in eve so far?
I've probably made 1.5 billion all told myself ...
So I'm asking myself if Falzone is a good enough player to be awarded twice that in a 3 billion payoff by his own account?
If not he should just take a leaf out of Rhiannon's book and go ...
"muahhahahahhahha muhhahahhahahha I thieved it all! muhahahhahaha"
And leave the justification for his new corp mates.
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Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2003.10.31 20:02:00 -
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Yes, this is all a very sad situation (as always) and the lack of remorse is consistant with my personal dealings with other Techell reps.
However, CCP took the time to create the SCC (secure commerce commision) and has done absolutely nothing with it. If they were to role play these kinds of game aspects correctly, this person would only be able to trade on the black market from this point on. ("trade licence revoked" or something like that) SCC could then have Concord lower his sec rating by 8 points and issue a general warnig to not do business with this known thief. Now that would be cool! And how hard could that be?!?!
CCP has great chances like this incedent to actually INTERACT with this great game and its devoted players and yet they do NOTHING. VERY, VERY SAD. I fear that they are horrible understaffed and can barely keep this game running. Let alone fully implement current game functions.
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Falzone
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Posted - 2003.11.01 05:45:00 -
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Edited by: Falzone on 01/11/2003 05:47:17
Incase you guys were wondering yes what datselvu said was true i was ripped off by a close frined who i gave about 20 of the said ships too i had trusted him not to do this and promised him 1 bs of his choice for every 5 he moved to the location i wanted to, Guess he just got greedy. His name is SS Vegito Btw in case you want to congratulate him or kill him along with me. Bt i must say that if he hadn't suggested and kept trying to get me to do it i probably wouldn't have. Guess i am too trusting of a person. Anyone who wants to kill me in the future nothing against ya as i am and pirate now and there are people who like to kill us. I saw someone say that i almost sounded proud in my interview with eve gaurdian if i sounded like that i apoligize i am not proud of my actions but i don't think it will add some spice to my gameplay experience from usual boring life in techell. In retrospect after everything i did was done i did wish i would not have done it but hey guess i can't go back in time.
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.11.01 06:55:00 -
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Guess i am too trusting of a person. Anyone who wants to kill me in the future nothing against ya as i am and pirate now and there are people who like to kill us.
Hey just saying you're a pirate doesn't make people want to kill you, how about scoring some kills or participating in some fights and proving you're more than just a hangar ganking monkey?
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Tibor Ferenc
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Posted - 2003.11.01 09:51:00 -
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Edited by: Tibor Ferenc on 01/11/2003 09:54:47
I cant belive that any1 can have sympathy for Techell Therse are the ppl who sold miner 2's for 2 million when they only cost about 60k to make. Also having had an alt in the lower levels of Techell for some time I see how crappy they treat there own.
The Techell noobs are treated so bad it sickens me. Granted Im a pirate but all our members are treated with dignity and respect and get a fair share of our spoils.
Using this a anology : A GMC salesman sick of the way he keeps getting screwed over my out of touch and greedy board of directors takes half a billion off them runs away to a country without extradition lives nice for the rest of his life. I say good on him GMC will bounce back.
So fuk Techell they are the biggest disloyal bunch of sub-pirates in the game who sh@t on there own hiding behind big business.
TF.
The LBC.
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Merjan
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Posted - 2003.11.01 11:42:00 -
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They were selling them for 2 mill and people who bought them were reseling them for 5 mill.
BTW during same time nobody had problem with people who were selling XeCl for 1.2 mill of Cu Vapors for 2 mill.
Heck now that miner2s are 250k there are still people trying to sell XeCl for 1 mill.
It never stops amazing me now people can be dumb and jelous of somebody's success and in the same time try to rip off people by selling now very bad mining gear that drops from pirates.
BTW i am very disappointed by Falzone's action.
If he wanted to be pirate he could have just left corp and become one.
On other hand it might be good thing as the current Techell's troubles will weed out crappy characters from that corporation and in future they might even do better.
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