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Tarquin Tarquinius Gallente Etruscan Kings	Posted - 2006.10.17 18:02:00 - [31] A LOT of games have this kind of software in them. It's not just EA. In fact WINDOWS includes very similar programs. This is much ado about nothing. The monitering program will be non-intrusive and you'll never know it's there. It's a small price to pay for such a great game. I've already bought my copy of BF 2142. ----- insert sig here 0.0 System Renaming?
wierchas noobhunter Caldari Praxiteles Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.17 18:09:00 - [32] Originally by: Tarquin Tarquinius A LOT of games have this kind of software in them. It's not just EA. In fact WINDOWS includes very similar programs. This is much ado about nothing. The monitering program will be non-intrusive and you'll never know it's there. It's a small price to pay for such a great game. I've already bought my copy of BF 2142. just that that bf 2142 sucks and quake wars rullzzzz join me be cool
wierchas noobhunter Caldari Praxiteles Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.17 18:10:00 - [33] Originally by: Tarquin Tarquinius A LOT of games have this kind of software in them. It's not just EA. In fact WINDOWS includes very similar programs. This is much ado about nothing. The monitering program will be non-intrusive and you'll never know it's there. It's a small price to pay for such a great game. I've already bought my copy of BF 2142. just that that bf 2142 sucks and quake wars rullzzzz join me be cool
digital0verdose Caldari Ships Unlimited	Posted - 2006.10.17 18:14:00 - [34] Originally by: Tarquin Tarquinius A LOT of games have this kind of software in them. It's not just EA. In fact WINDOWS includes very similar programs. This is much ado about nothing. The monitering program will be non-intrusive and you'll never know it's there. It's a small price to pay for such a great game. I've already bought my copy of BF 2142. Welcome to the hornets nest. Be careful. -------------------------------------- http://digitalsdomain.spaces.live.com/ <--- Check it out. Latest Update: "The Departed" and something no Nintendo fan should be without.
Scorpyn Caldari The Patriot Pact	Posted - 2006.10.17 18:22:00 - [35] Originally by: digital0verdose Originally by: Scorpyn All right, please explain it to me as you would explain it to them and we'll see if you succeed or not. I'm the mediator, a rep from the respective company is the one that layout though the jist of my posts in this thread layout the basics. These companies do not care about individuals. They look for trends like 3% of the users/players visit an NFL site at least twice a day, "Great, 3% of our base is roughly 1.3 million people in the US. Bob, lets see if the NFL would like to advertise the playoffs with us in our game." That would obviously be more for EA's case. Adobe would use their tracking for the exact opposite. They would look to see what communities it's users venture into and then they would advertise themselves there. Back to EA a moment. One of our recent clients involded in the gaming market is looking at doing something similar in their upcomming game. They sent over some early projections but based off of our volumetrics, they will make almost as much selling advertisement space in the game as they would on the game it's self which is planned to be used on future game development. While you may think all the money goes into the top tier of the company, it actually goes towards production. A ton of money is saved by selling off game world real estate. I see. "Thanks for buying our game. Now we'll just have to use some stats from your browser in order to make more money." Sorry, but you failed.
Hakera Anari Higard	Posted - 2006.10.17 18:39:00 - [36] Originally by: Succoros I'd like to see a poll showing what the gaming community would do if they were alone in a room with the EA execs for 10 minutes :\| cue scene from dogma!
digital0verdose Caldari Ships Unlimited	Posted - 2006.10.17 18:40:00 - [37] Originally by: Scorpyn Originally by: digital0verdose Originally by: Scorpyn All right, please explain it to me as you would explain it to them and we'll see if you succeed or not. I'm the mediator, a rep from the respective company is the one that layout though the jist of my posts in this thread layout the basics. These companies do not care about individuals. They look for trends like 3% of the users/players visit an NFL site at least twice a day, "Great, 3% of our base is roughly 1.3 million people in the US. Bob, lets see if the NFL would like to advertise the playoffs with us in our game." That would obviously be more for EA's case. Adobe would use their tracking for the exact opposite. They would look to see what communities it's users venture into and then they would advertise themselves there. Back to EA a moment. One of our recent clients involded in the gaming market is looking at doing something similar in their upcomming game. They sent over some early projections but based off of our volumetrics, they will make almost as much selling advertisement space in the game as they would on the game it's self which is planned to be used on future game development. While you may think all the money goes into the top tier of the company, it actually goes towards production. A ton of money is saved by selling off game world real estate. I see. "Thanks for buying our game. Now we'll just have to use some stats from your browser in order to make more money." Sorry, but you failed. Luckily I don't have goals that including convincing people who are inept in understanding how business works and new methods to effectively present new ways in cost reduction. The only reason you are not understanding this is because you are letting stubborn ignorance control your point of view on this subject. You have a set way of thinking and your pride is more important than reality. I am sorry I had this debate as you are not willing to learn. -------------------------------------- http://digitalsdomain.spaces.live.com/ <--- Check it out. Latest Update: "The Departed" and something no Nintendo fan should be without.
Scorpyn Caldari The Patriot Pact	Posted - 2006.10.17 18:57:00 - [38] Originally by: digital0verdose Luckily I don't have goals that including convincing people who are inept in understanding how business works and new methods to effectively present new ways in cost reduction. The only reason you are not understanding this is because you are letting stubborn ignorance control your point of view on this subject. You have a set way of thinking and your pride is more important than reality. I am sorry I had this debate as you are not willing to learn. Luckily I don't have goals that include convincing people who are inept in understanding the fact some people don't want spyware in their computers. You talk like the ones involved in pyramid games who keep telling the next person in line that "It's different from a pyramid game. Really.".
digital0verdose Caldari Ships Unlimited	Posted - 2006.10.17 19:04:00 - [39] Originally by: Scorpyn Originally by: digital0verdose Luckily I don't have goals that including convincing people who are inept in understanding how business works and new methods to effectively present new ways in cost reduction. The only reason you are not understanding this is because you are letting stubborn ignorance control your point of view on this subject. You have a set way of thinking and your pride is more important than reality. I am sorry I had this debate as you are not willing to learn. Luckily I don't have goals that include convincing people who are inept in understanding the fact some people don't want spyware in their computers. You talk like the ones involved in pyramid games who keep telling the next person in line that "It's different from a pyramid game. Really.". What pyramid game? Seriously, what is the conspiracy that you are so worried about? I told you straight up what they are doing with the data and you ignore it. I explain to you how this data collection can help you and you ignore it. You continue to call something spyware that isn't spying, you know it's there. You are an illogical person. -------------------------------------- http://digitalsdomain.spaces.live.com/ <--- Check it out. Latest Update: "The Departed" and something no Nintendo fan should be without.
Scorpyn Caldari The Patriot Pact	Posted - 2006.10.17 19:08:00 - [40] Originally by: digital0verdose What pyramid game? Seriously, what is the conspiracy that you are so worried about? I told you straight up what they are doing with the data and you ignore it. I explain to you how this data collection can help you and you ignore it. You continue to call something spyware that isn't spying, you know it's there. You are an illogical person. I'm not an illogical person just because I disagree with you. Please explain the difference between this and your definition of spyware, because we obviously don't have the same definition.

digital0verdose Caldari Ships Unlimited	Posted - 2006.10.17 19:12:00 - [41] Originally by: Scorpyn Originally by: digital0verdose What pyramid game? Seriously, what is the conspiracy that you are so worried about? I told you straight up what they are doing with the data and you ignore it. I explain to you how this data collection can help you and you ignore it. You continue to call something spyware that isn't spying, you know it's there. You are an illogical person. I'm not an illogical person just because I disagree with you. Please explain the difference between this and your definition of spyware, because we obviously don't have the same definition. You are illogical because you cannot get the fact that this is used for something else other than profit. Spyware is software that is executed and runs on a PC collecting data of which the owner is not aware of. EA is telling you exactly what is being collected and how it is being used and by what method this is all taking place. How is that spying? How are they being sneaky? The term for this software should be called blatantware. -------------------------------------- http://digitalsdomain.spaces.live.com/ <--- Check it out. Latest Update: "The Departed" and something no Nintendo fan should be without.
Scorpyn Caldari The Patriot Pact	Posted - 2006.10.17 19:18:00 - [42] Edited by: Scorpyn on 17/10/2006 19:18:13 Originally by: digital0verdose You are illogical because you cannot get the fact that this is used for something else other than profit. Spyware is software that is executed and runs on a PC collecting data of which the owner is not aware of. EA is telling you exactly what is being collected and how it is being used and by what method this is all taking place. How is that spying? How are they being sneaky? The term for this software should be called blatantware. So the only difference is that they tell you about it? I have made up my mind. If people don't like privacy then that's their problem, but you're not gonna make be buy software that makes extra money from spyware - whether you want to call it that or not.
Ozawi Minmatar	Posted - 2006.10.17 19:18:00 - [43] Originally by: Scorpyn Originally by: digital0verdose What pyramid game? Seriously, what is the conspiracy that you are so worried about? I told you straight up what they are doing with the data and you ignore it. I explain to you how this data collection can help you and you ignore it. You continue to call something spyware that isn't spying, you know it's there. You are an illogical person. I'm not an illogical person just because I disagree with you. Please explain the difference between this and your definition of spyware, because we obviously don't have the same definition. Preface: I'm no EA fan, and have no intention of buying any of their games that are out now, or will be out soon. That said - digital0verdose has made a well formed and intelligent presentation of what is really being done with the consentual data miner. You're informed of it before you ever install the software. Hard to miss. And for Scorpyn's misguided idea of spyware: Spyware Quote: In the field of computing, the term spyware refers to a broad category of malicious software designed to intercept or take partial control of a computer's operation without the informed consent of that machine's owner or legitimate user. While the term taken literally suggests software that surreptitiously monitors the user, it has come to refer more broadly to software that subverts the computer's operation for the benefit of a third party. ------------------------------------------------ This sig is mine. There are others like it, but this one is mine alone. Mods keep out, or I will drop trou and sprinkle some tinkle in your Cheerios! -I don't eat Cheerios. -ReverendM
Scorpyn Caldari The Patriot Pact	Posted - 2006.10.17 19:31:00 - [44] Would you be happier if I called it a data miner instead of spyware? It's basically the same thing though, the only difference is the text in bold. It doesn't matter if it's something that I can easily see in the eula or whatever - if I don't even have the option to not install it when installing the game that I have already paid for, I will be somewhat furious.
Nira Li Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.17 19:32:00 - [45] Edited by: Nira Li on 17/10/2006 19:32:37 So if I surf on dirty sites, will I see alot of naked girls in-game? You Will Cry My Name
digital0verdose Caldari Ships Unlimited	Posted - 2006.10.17 19:42:00 - [46] Originally by: Scorpyn Would you be happier if I called it a data miner instead of spyware? It's basically the same thing though, the only difference is the text in bold. It doesn't matter if it's something that I can easily see in the eula or whatever - if I don't even have the option to not install it when installing the game that I have already paid for, I will be somewhat furious. -------------------------------------- http://digitalsdomain.spaces.live.com/ <--- Check it out. Latest Update: "The Departed" and something no Nintendo fan should be without.
Gerome Doutrande 4S Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.17 19:50:00 - [47] Originally by: digital0verdose EA is telling you exactly what is being collected and how it is being used and by what method this is all taking place. How is that spying? How are they being sneaky? The term for this software should be called blatantware. Some people obviously don't trust EA.
Ozawi Minmatar	Posted - 2006.10.17 20:13:00 - [48] Originally by: Nira Li Edited by: Nira Li on 17/10/2006 19:32:37 So if I surf on dirty sites, will I see alot of naked girls in-game? We can only hope! ------------------------------------------------ This sig is mine. There are others like it, but this one is mine alone. Mods keep out, or I will drop trou and sprinkle some tinkle in your Cheerios! -I don't eat Cheerios. -ReverendM
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.17 20:57:00 - [49] Originally by: wierchas noobhunter ea sucks it's in the game --------- Cruelty is God's way of showing kindness and God is kind. Pax Caldaria.
Caedicus Minmatar Einherjar Rising Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.17 21:13:00 - [50] You guys need to chill out. First of all, lets not get confuse EA with the people who actaully MAKE the game. DICE created a badass mod for Battlefield 1942 then they were essentially bought by EA. EA and Dice worked together on Battlefield 2, which in my opinion, was a badass game. Sure it has issues, nothing worse than what Eve has. Dice are the ones who make the game, EA are the ones who publish it and stick all the bull** with it. Second of all, NOTHING is monitored outside of the game. The only thing that is being recorded is what adds the user clicks on WITHIN the game. I can't believe people trust Shacknews like it's an official news source. The news report is vague, wrong, and is two sentences long. Come on guys. Now don't get me wrong, EA can do some **** up things to their customers, but so does Sony and Vivendi Universal. The majority of the games you play are made by companies that are owned by one of these umbrella corporations. If you want to boycott them, go ahead and stop buying games (besides Eve).

Scorpyn Caldari The Patriot Pact	Posted - 2006.10.17 21:17:00 - [51] Originally by: Caedicus ...If you want to boycott them, go ahead and stop buying games (besides Eve). I'm already boycotting sony due to their rootkit stunt actually.
DgO4 Final-Vendetta	Posted - 2006.10.17 21:33:00 - [52] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: wierchas noobhunter ea sucks it's in the game nice jenny We are the pilgrims, Master, We will always go a little farther.....
Gift Amarr Loot	Posted - 2006.10.17 21:37:00 - [53] "By the way, if anyone here is in advertising or marketing, kill yourself. Thank you, thank you. Just a little thought. I'm just trying to plant seeds. Maybe one day they'll take root. I don't know. You try. You do what you can. Kill yourselves. Seriously though, if you are, do. No really, there's no rationalisation for what you do, and you are Satan's little helpers, OK? Kill yourselves, seriously. You're the ruiner of all things good. Seriously, no, this is not a joke. "There's gonna be a joke coming..." There's no ***** joke coming, you are Satan's spawn, filling the world with bile and garbage, you are ** and you are *** us, kill yourselves, it's the only way to save your ***** soul. Kill yourself, kill yourself, kill yourself now. Now, back to the show." Pirates of Eve, Join channel "Pirate" Today!
4rc4ng3L Gallente DarkSide Inc	Posted - 2006.10.17 22:59:00 - [54] I was going to buy this game. Since iv heard of the spyware, i aint touching it.... I understand what they use it for and i know why they use it, but beacuse im am not in direct control of whatever this spyware 'apperently' does or doesnt do, id rather not use the product, simple ass. Such a shame too, i really really wanted this game Death is the only true freedom, brought on by our own ignorance.... Welcome to the "free" world in which we live...
digital0verdose Caldari Ships Unlimited	Posted - 2006.10.17 23:13:00 - [55] Originally by: Gift "By the way, if anyone here is in advertising or marketing, kill yourself. Thank you, thank you. Just a little thought. I'm just trying to plant seeds. Maybe one day they'll take root. I don't know. You try. You do what you can. Kill yourselves. Seriously though, if you are, do. No really, there's no rationalisation for what you do, and you are Satan's little helpers, OK? Kill yourselves, seriously. You're the ruiner of all things good. Seriously, no, this is not a joke. "There's gonna be a joke coming..." There's no ***** joke coming, you are Satan's spawn, filling the world with bile and garbage, you are ** and you are *** us, kill yourselves, it's the only way to save your ***** soul. Kill yourself, kill yourself, kill yourself now. Now, back to the show." -------------------------------------- http://digitalsdomain.spaces.live.com/ <--- Check it out. Latest Update: "The Departed" and something no Nintendo fan should be without.
Xelios Minmatar Rampage Eternal	Posted - 2006.10.17 23:30:00 - [56] I have to laugh at the little piece of paper they include with the game that's basically the EULA for this spyware. I mean, by the time you open the game and see this piece of paper you've already bought the game, which means you've already completed the transaction with EA with no possibility of a refund (good luck getting that on opened software). How can they enforce this when you don't see it until after you've already done the transaction? (I guess that question applies to all click-through EULA's) Second, I don't mind the spyware so much, since EA claims it only gathers information about your habits inside the game (which ads you view and how long for example). What I'm more concerned about is the growing trend of putting targetted advertisements in games you've already paid money for. It's just going to get worse and worse from here as more companies see what a huge cash cow it is.
Kumu Honua	Posted - 2006.10.18 02:40:00 - [57] If these games are generating so much more revenue (As the defender stated, nearly as much as the sales of the game itself), then since they are making twice the money, games should start to cost $25 instead of $50?..... Didn't think so.
MrShooter Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2006.10.18 03:32:00 - [58] Edited by: MrShooter on 18/10/2006 03:33:50 BATTLEFIELD 2142 DOES NOT MONITER WHAT WEBSITES YOU GO TO. Nowhere on the paper does it mention monitering what you do with the internet outside of the game. It moniters what ads you look at in game, how long you look at them, and from what distance and angle you look at them. The game developers themselves have confirmed this. If the ads really bug you, add the IGA servers to your hosts file or firewall block list, and you will never see an ad in the game again. They won't be able to track what ads you are looking at in the game if they can't communicate with your computer, so you can put your tinfoil hats away. (And no, I am not defending the in-game advertisements, I am going to be adding the IGA servers to my firewall block so I don't have to see ads for 130 year old iPods and cars)
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2006.10.18 03:45:00 - [59] It only takes one of you to mail in an anonymous bombthreat calling for its removal... Looking For Ventrilo Hosting
Saeris Tal'Urduar Amarr	Posted - 2006.10.18 05:31:00 - [60] Originally by: digital0verdose If you pruchase the product and there is a disclaimer telling you what is going on, it is right. 1)They are not breaking any laws and 2)they are not doing anything unethical. They are collecting data so they can determine what to advertise in game. This is not a focus group, taste test or a two week trial period, therefore you are not going to get paid. 3)Your reimbursement is going to be a steady price on video games as the cost of making those games continually rises. 4)If you think it's none of their business to track where you are going, hit ctl+alt+del and kill the process. Do you think you're going to get an email from EA asking you, "so how about those big boobs?" Never What they are going to do is look at a mass population and determine what the most popular sites are that they can pull in to advertise for. 5)It's a bit pompus to think they really care about what websites you, as an individual, are going to. But again, 6)you can either kill the process, 7)miss out on a game or 8)just relax and have fun. 1) I never said they were, but they are skating on the edge of it being called blatant spyware. Which if you ask me...well even if you dont ask me, I'll say I believe it is spyware. 2) And to that I say; What does it taste like having ** like that come out of your mouth? Its univited tracking of my web surfing habits. Its none of their business!** 3) refer to the first sentence of 2) I really hope you're not trying to convince game companies this. Because its making a good game that generates reveune, not stealing peoples surfing habits and advertising to them in game about what they like to look at. 4) I shouldnt have to kill a process running on my computer when I'm not playing that game. This is not like WoWs scanning of background apps while you're playing to make sure you're not running macros and cheating. 5) If thats the case why include spyware in the game????? 6) refer to 4) 7) I will, and its gotten me angry enough atm that I may just to decide to miss out on all their games. Why support a company at all, that would do something like this? I'll answer myself...I'm not. **'em. 8) You know what thats almost exactly what my dentist said before my root cannal. Quote:** just relax Thats my biggest fear of what the gamming community is going to do, and in 5 years we're all going to be regretting it.



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