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Umega
Solis Mensa
3
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Posted - 2011.12.06 01:38:00 -
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Jove don't exist anymore cause the Guristas have them on lockdown.
Could use some changes.. something.
Drop to 10 sec..
Only break locks..
Actually have it so your sensors match the frequency and make it easier to resist an ecm hit from a target on each attempt..
Simply readjust the whole formula so a 1.5 doesn't smack a 35 sen strength ship into the ground to ratio it does now..
Some sort of combo of varies idea blah blah blah.
In the end.. when/if something is done to ecm, there will be another cream at the top. Never missing damps used correctly come to mind and the cycle of 'I lost and it was cheesy so I demand change' will continue.
OP mods is shield extenders > plates.
EDIT: Interesting idea I just had on the whole ECM thing. Have it so we can set our ships to run on a certain frequency.. only aloud to be done in station, UNLESS we have an eccm equip'd then we can do so in space. ECM ships have to adjust and find the right frequency to pop another ship with.. a miss is a miss, but closer you get to being right, the more seconds added to a lockdown hit.. ranging from idk, 1-20 secs. Would add another dynamic to the gameplay.. and would make things interesting in fleet warfare, alliances, spying, getting/giving out frequency codes and that whole aspect of EVE. |
Pistrik
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
0
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Posted - 2011.12.06 02:12:00 -
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We all know the Device is the most overpowered module in the game. Because it does things. It's so overpowered that the fact it's a commodity doesn't stop it from be a module! |
Hamatitio
Aperture Harmonics
K162
32
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Posted - 2011.12.06 05:51:00 -
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I fit up an archon with around 250 sensor strength once.
A flight of 5 light ECM drones managed to jam me about 3 times in the span of 5 minutes. :| |
Kingwood
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
10
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Posted - 2011.12.06 06:42:00 -
[64] - Quote
Hamatitio wrote:I fit up an archon with around 250 sensor strength once.
A flight of 5 light ECM drones managed to jam me about 3 times in the span of 5 minutes. :|
Maybe tracking disrupting yourself would have helped |
Jojo Jackson
13
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Posted - 2011.12.06 08:06:00 -
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DHB WildCat wrote:Isnt actually a mod but drones.
Wrong, there are two MODs:
- passive targeter
- cargo scanner
Both have NO COUNTER mods!
No, work arounds don't count.
Passive targeter NEED a anti-modul which detect lock attamps when used.
Cargo Scanner NEED a anti-modul which covers your cargo.
Big fat roule of game creation: EVERY ABILITY NEED A COUNTER-ABILITY!
ECM <-> ECCM
sensor dampener <-> sensor booster
tracking enhancer <-> tracking disruptor
and so on
It's simply a MUST!
PS: if you have problems with ECM drones ... use a damn ECCM modul. This COUNTER MODUL is implemented. Your fail if you don't use it  .
Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |
Buzzmong
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
47
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Posted - 2011.12.06 12:47:00 -
[66] - Quote
Hirana Yoshida wrote:Most op item in Eve: The Suitcase. Damage Controls are easy to fit, easy to train for and has marginal operational costs all in exchange for a staggering bonus to ones tank.
Careful now, I made a thread over a year ago saying the same thing and that they needed a change, all I got for my troubles was the pleasure of being called quite a few nasty things. |
Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
Important Internet Spaceship League
47
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Posted - 2011.12.06 13:08:00 -
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Indeed in my opinion the jammed time is too much for the small drones...
Ec-300 -> Should be more like 5 seconds
Ec-600 -> Should be more like 10 seconds
Ec-900 -> Should be more like 15 seconds or could be unchanged for all I care
Pinky |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
400
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Posted - 2011.12.06 15:39:00 -
[68] - Quote
To the topic "Most overpowered module in the game"
I answer: Tracking Enhancers
Because it's true and "You know it"
On the same side note, the most underpowered module in the game: hull repairers
Just say'in |
Hamatitio
Aperture Harmonics
K162
33
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Posted - 2011.12.07 00:59:00 -
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Kingwood wrote:Hamatitio wrote:I fit up an archon with around 250 sensor strength once.
A flight of 5 light ECM drones managed to jam me about 3 times in the span of 5 minutes. :| Maybe tracking disrupting yourself would have helped
I see what you did there. |
Jack Miton
Lapse Of Sanity
Narwhals Ate My Duck
10
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Posted - 2011.12.07 02:07:00 -
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Hamatitio wrote:Kingwood wrote:Hamatitio wrote:I fit up an archon with around 250 sensor strength once.
A flight of 5 light ECM drones managed to jam me about 3 times in the span of 5 minutes. :| Maybe tracking disrupting yourself would have helped I see what you did there.
I LOLed :P |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
146
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Posted - 2011.12.07 02:16:00 -
[71] - Quote
Jack Miton wrote:Hamatitio wrote:Kingwood wrote:Hamatitio wrote:I fit up an archon with around 250 sensor strength once.
A flight of 5 light ECM drones managed to jam me about 3 times in the span of 5 minutes. :| Maybe tracking disrupting yourself would have helped I see what you did there. I LOLed :P
So did I. ;-)
-Liang
Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?)
Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Dead On Arrival Alliance
32
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Posted - 2011.12.07 03:47:00 -
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TD drones aren't useless. A flight of TD-900's in 1v1 BS fights can reduce DPS by half from turret ships. You don't want to pack them vs missile boats or drone boats though, so you may as well take ECM or DPS drones.
TP drones look pretty, but they are useless because the ships you need to use them against (AFs, ceptors, cynabals, vagas, etc) have such low sig anyway that the stacking-nerfed % based increase in sig radius is useless against ships that have a low sig anyway (35% on 60m is only 75); they can out-run the drones, and the drones only start TPing at short rage (luls, good luck dronesies). Anything they can catch, they are less useful than a TP anyway.
SD drones are worse than a sensor damp as well, except perhaps the larges. However anything you want to use Larges on a ship its probably got a big enough base lock range that the drones will be useless against them. Then you also get the drone transit time and proximity to the target problems which affect TP drones, so you're probably boned anyway.
Neut drones can have their places. A flight of EV-900s for instance is orth nearly 2 medium neuts worth (20GJ/s vs 12Gjs per neut), so you can kite ships while forcing them to active tank, and cap them out. Then swap to DPS drones and win. Basically, Ishtars.
However, ECM drones used en-masse are much more effective. A gang of 5 guys ganking a guy in a solo BS with the bait-tank or say, DHB Wildcat's active tanking mael idea, well...thats 50 chances to jam every 5 seconds or whatever. But the same is true of a Falcon with 6 jams on one target having 6 chances to jam.
The best fix, if there needs to be one, is to up the cycle time on the smaller drones to make them less effective against targets.
The skilful employer of men will employ the wise man, the brave man, the covetous man, and the stupid man.
Sun Tzu
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Mfume Apocal
Origin.
Black Legion.
149
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Posted - 2011.12.07 06:02:00 -
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Hamatitio wrote:I fit up an archon with around 250 sensor strength once.
A flight of 5 light ECM drones managed to jam me about 3 times in the span of 5 minutes. :|
Never go to Vegas.
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Hamatitio
Aperture Harmonics
K162
33
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Posted - 2011.12.10 06:06:00 -
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Mfume Apocal wrote:Hamatitio wrote:I fit up an archon with around 250 sensor strength once.
A flight of 5 light ECM drones managed to jam me about 3 times in the span of 5 minutes. :| Never go to Vegas.
Actually I went to vegas back in february, roller coastered my way to +300 and called it quits :P |
Squatdog
State Protectorate
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2011.12.11 00:55:00 -
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Light ECM Drones are hugely imbalanced.
A typical BC can fit a full flight of 5 without compromising DPS too much and they have a jam strength of 1, while the Medium equivalent that takes up double the space only has 1.5 jam strength.
The solution would be to reduce the jam strength of Light Drones to 0.5, or (even better) remove them from the game altogether. |
Dr Silkworth
Two Geezers in Space
0
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Posted - 2011.12.11 15:39:00 -
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If they are so great and OP, just use them yourself. They effectively increase the length of the battle if both sides use them. Do you really like short battles? Use more Ewar... Everybody. |
HaleyBerries
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2011.12.12 07:11:00 -
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ok after reading through most of this thread, GOD MOST OF YOU ARE FRAKING WHINERS!!! Your butthurt cause there is a counter to your gank. YOU GUYS ALWAYS WHINE WHEN YOU DONT GET YOUR WAY, STFU ALREADY!!! So tired of reading threads in here and its a bunch of whiny 2 yr olds that cant always have their way.
Now on topic of ecm drones. I rely on them heavily and most of you over exagerate way too much. The probelm doesnt lie in the drones as much as the ships, Ive used oth lights and mediums on all 4 race of ships, and minmatar is hard as hell to jam out with ecm drones, Caldari ships arent as hard but still takes time. Gallente and Amarr on the other hand a flight of EC600s damn near perma-jams them UNLESS ECCM fitted, takes notcicably more time and less successful jams.
ECCM DOES WORK, use the right one for your race and have some decent skills. Wont save you from a falcon dumping all its jams on you but it does help.
Also Jam duration on ecm drones is a bit much, 30 secs on mediums.... for example. Smalls themselves might be a bit overpowered in comparison to meds and heavies, but not too badly.
CCP needs to look at why races are different difficulties to jam, and even with as much as i love ecm drones when i get caught with my pants down, they need to have their cycle times decreased, thats about it there. |
ovenproofjet
The Illuminatii
Mildly Intoxicated
27
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Posted - 2011.12.12 14:03:00 -
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Delete ECM.
Start again and make new EWAR for Caldari, go with Missile targeting system disruption.
Problem solved. |
Sutskop
PILSGESCHWADER
Monkey Circus
25
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Posted - 2011.12.12 14:33:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:DHB WildCat wrote:Also how the hell do "light" ecm drones jam a battleship nearly 70% of their cycles? They don't. They jam 20% of the time, or 10% with one ECCM module. Whereas a flight of light drones will add 100dps against you for 100% of the time. Nerf damage drones! ZOMG! But seriously. The people in this thread need to take a look at what "probability" and "confirmation bias" are.
Concerning probability: A jam chance of 20% per drone would mean that 5 drones have a jam chance of about 68%. That is pretty strong I'd say. |
Squatdog
State Protectorate
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2011.12.13 01:01:00 -
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HaleyBerries wrote:ok after reading through most of this thread, GOD MOST OF YOU ARE FRAKING WHINERS!!! Your butthurt cause there is a counter to your gank. YOU GUYS ALWAYS WHINE WHEN YOU DONT GET YOUR WAY, STFU ALREADY!!! So tired of reading threads in here and its a bunch of whiny 2 yr olds that cant always have their way.
Now on topic of ecm drones. I rely on them heavily and most of you over exagerate way too much. The probelm doesnt lie in the drones as much as the ships, Ive used oth lights and mediums on all 4 race of ships, and minmatar is hard as hell to jam out with ecm drones, Caldari ships arent as hard but still takes time. Gallente and Amarr on the other hand a flight of EC600s damn near perma-jams them UNLESS ECCM fitted, takes notcicably more time and less successful jams.
ECCM DOES WORK, use the right one for your race and have some decent skills. Wont save you from a falcon dumping all its jams on you but it does help.
Also Jam duration on ecm drones is a bit much, 30 secs on mediums.... for example. Smalls themselves might be a bit overpowered in comparison to meds and heavies, but not too badly.
CCP needs to look at why races are different difficulties to jam, and even with as much as i love ecm drones when i get caught with my pants down, they need to have their cycle times decreased, thats about it there.
Quote:If they are so great and OP, just use them yourself. They effectively increase the length of the battle if both sides use them. Do you really like short battles? Use more Ewar... Everybody.
Light Drones are massively overpowered and need to be rebalanced.
That's why you're too embarrassed to post on your main accounts.
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Bubanni
SniggWaffe
42
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Posted - 2011.12.13 01:51:00 -
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Basicly the problem is ecm ruins the solo or small gang experience when your on the receiving side... ecm is effective and I personally love it... but I think the main problem people dislike is that 20 sec duration a single lucky jam keep you unable to fight back
I see a decent way to balance it is decease the jam duration... or make it only break locks... after that is done you can adjust the chance and cycle time of the modules or drones |
Lunkwill Khashour
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.12.13 07:46:00 -
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Alternative solution: add a stacking penalty like the other EWAR drones. The first drone to jam has jam stength 1, the second 0,7 and so on. These penalties remain for 20s and then reset. |
Mike Whiite
Progressive State
5
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Posted - 2011.12.13 08:41:00 -
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Isn't the attack range up to 5km,
If there is a need for a fix do something about the range, or extend the range of a smart bomb.
maybe a F.o.F. drone that can be set on small to large targets -> Sansha drones?
no need to change anything else but your tactics, the only reason they work is because people don't arm them self against it.
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VIP Ares
BALKAN EXPRESS
2
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Posted - 2011.12.13 10:10:00 -
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What I would add is that it i sharder for "small" drones to jam anything bigger then "small" ships.
So there should be a penalty on jam chance as you try to jam bigger targets.
Small drones = frigates, destroyers
Medium drones = cruisers, battlecruisers
Large drones = battleships
When you try to jam cruisers/BC with small drones you get 0.5 x standard chance to jam.
When you try to jam BS with small drones you get no chance to jam at all.
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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
51
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Posted - 2011.12.13 14:36:00 -
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Always thought you should be able to "manually target" if jammed. If the target is within a certain degree of the middle of your screen (based on sig radius, distance) when your guns fire, then you hit it with your turrets (missiles should use FoF). Probably a coding nightmare. |
Gijs
The Brotherhood of Forgotten Warriors
The Heaven's Devils
0
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Posted - 2011.12.13 14:54:00 -
[86] - Quote
ecm is working just fine. Move on, nothing to see here. |
Shaen Vesuvius
Redcoats
Low Hanging Fruit
1
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Posted - 2011.12.13 14:56:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Jack Miton wrote:Hamatitio wrote:Kingwood wrote:Hamatitio wrote:I fit up an archon with around 250 sensor strength once.
A flight of 5 light ECM drones managed to jam me about 3 times in the span of 5 minutes. :| Maybe tracking disrupting yourself would have helped I see what you did there. I LOLed :P So did I. ;-) -Liang
a total P-stain creator |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
214
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Posted - 2011.12.14 01:54:00 -
[88] - Quote
FALSE
Most OP module in the game is Damage Control II |
Sutskop
PILSGESCHWADER
Monkey Circus
25
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Posted - 2011.12.15 09:01:00 -
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Skippermonkey wrote:FALSE
Most OP module in the game is Damage Control II
Yeah, if all you care about is the total hitpoints in EFT. |
BearJews
YOU BETTER
5
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Posted - 2011.12.15 18:14:00 -
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definitely the damage control. |
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