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DHB WildCat
Most Wanted INC
White Noise.
20
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Posted - 2011.12.03 05:14:00 -
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Isnt actually a mod but drones.
ECM drones need to have a major look at. When every single one of my rohk / hyperion / maelstrom fits drops a turret for a smartbomb we have a problem!
Yes the smartbomb kills the drones fast if its a "large" smartbomb. Meaning smaller class ships that cannot fit a large smartbomb are in serious peril. 20 Seconds is too long to be taken out of a fight. Too much happens in that time period.
Also how the hell do "light" ecm drones jam a battleship nearly 70% of their cycles?
I can understand a falcon being able to do this, but when a hurricane can throw several light ecm drones at you with NO ecm or drone bonus to the ship, the drones should not be able to jam so well. This has been a long time comming for the most overpowered item in this game.
Discuss and have fun 8) |
Nalha Saldana
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
40
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Posted - 2011.12.03 05:18:00 -
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ECCM?
Losing mid > losing gun
Also helps vs the falcon :P |
DHB WildCat
Most Wanted INC
White Noise.
20
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Posted - 2011.12.03 05:21:00 -
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Nalha Saldana wrote:ECCM?
Losing mid > losing gun
Also helps vs the falcon :P
If ECCM worked... that would be an option. I've tested a vindi with an ECCM mod and grail implants. Get jammed by falcons about 30% of the time, ecm drones 60%. ECCM doesnt work 8(
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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1116
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Posted - 2011.12.03 05:25:00 -
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DHB WildCat wrote:hyperion
i know you're trolling, i'm onto you |
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2011.12.03 05:26:00 -
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Hype is a great small gang boat, dude. |
Lord Booya
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.12.03 05:27:00 -
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Andski wrote:DHB WildCat wrote:hyperion i know you're trolling, i'm onto you
You obviously havent seen his last video, but on topic...... yeah ecm drones need some major nerfing
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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
128
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Posted - 2011.12.03 06:40:00 -
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The entire mechanic behind ECM is what's broken - not the modules or the drones. This has been known for years.
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DarkAegix
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
439
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Posted - 2011.12.03 06:55:00 -
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I was just jammed 40 secs in a row by ECM drones on a fight I was going to win.
I'm crying.
Nerf ECM drones. |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1117
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Posted - 2011.12.03 07:40:00 -
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warp scrams and points are broken why should a 250k isk rifter keep my 2b isk blingdicator from warping off that is bullshit |
Julia Connor
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2011.12.03 08:11:00 -
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200mil isk HIC bubbling 400bil worth of ships. I can haz nerf? and btw, the most overpowered module is SIEGE MOD II |
Julia Connor
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2011.12.03 08:12:00 -
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meh, double post? |
Roime
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
42
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Posted - 2011.12.03 08:29:00 -
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I have to waste either low slots or mid slots on my every ship because all the enemies now use weapons on me
Nerf everything |
grazer gin
Raving Rednecks
20
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Posted - 2011.12.03 10:12:00 -
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Im guessing we are mad for prolly loosing ANOTHER rattler/CNR/tengu in low sec
Really dude just L2scout |
aeronik
Cataclysm Enterprises
Ev0ke
0
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Posted - 2011.12.03 11:24:00 -
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DHB WildCat wrote:Isnt actually a mod but drones.
ECM drones need to have a major look at. When every single one of my rohk / hyperion / maelstrom fits drops a turret for a smartbomb we have a problem!
Yes the smartbomb kills the drones fast if its a "large" smartbomb. Meaning smaller class ships that cannot fit a large smartbomb are in serious peril. 20 Seconds is too long to be taken out of a fight. Too much happens in that time period.
Also how the hell do "light" ecm drones jam a battleship nearly 70% of their cycles?
I can understand a falcon being able to do this, but when a hurricane can throw several light ecm drones at you with NO ecm or drone bonus to the ship, the drones should not be able to jam so well. This has been a long time comming for the most overpowered item in this game.
Discuss and have fun 8)
Three tiny EC-300 drones are able to jamm a Curse two times in a row (happened to me some days ago). So yes, ECM minions are way too strong. But that's only one major problem with ECM. Falcons are also overpowered. It makes me really sad when you're trying to hug a small gang and they have at least one Falcon to perma jamm a bunch of other players, including Recons and ECCM HACs. |
mama guru
Thundercats
Initiative Mercenaries
6
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Posted - 2011.12.03 12:04:00 -
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The problem with ECM drones is that they dont boost an ECM ship's jamming potential very much and instead are used to lock out single ships via a dps ships drone bay, ofthen in large swarms.
IMO they should change so that the ECM drones reduce the targets sensor strength instead of jamming it. That way they boost the effectiveness of the ECM modules without overtaking the role of the ECM ship in small gangs. You will still need to bring your ECM boat to provide jamming, but a swarm of ECM drones lets your jammer do his/her job alot more effectively. freeing up mids/lows for other types of modules.
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Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
73
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Posted - 2011.12.03 12:07:00 -
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use eccm drones |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
25
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Posted - 2011.12.03 12:07:00 -
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I went 0.0 roaming once, saw nothing for many jumps, got bored to the point that I saw someone respond to me in local and sat around while they assembled their gank squad a system over or two thought I'd get a bit of fun, then I saw ecm drones :( |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
15
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Posted - 2011.12.03 13:23:00 -
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Hey wildcat, its not the drones, its never been the drones.
Its ecm and its "fubar for 20 second effect" the idea to combine that type of chance basied but yet not a ecm burst style but the full 20 seconds to light drones, utterly stupid and totally unballenced.
we dont even have web drones and if we did they would suck because they have stacking penelties - ecm drones get MORE effective *exponentially* the more you have.
That does not make sense, they are overpowered and always have been - thats why EVERYONE with 25 drone space spare always packs some ec-300s. fact. |
SMT008
Les chevaliers de l'ordre
Goonswarm Federation
290
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Posted - 2011.12.03 13:46:00 -
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ECM drones are indeed vastly overpowered.
A flight of EC300s should jam a frigate with a 50% chance, or jam a cruiser with a 15/20% chance.
A flight of EC600s should jam a cruiser with a 50% chance, or jam a battleship with 10/15% chance.
A flight of Wasp ECthingies should jam a battleship with a 50% chance, and maybe jam >BS with luck.
Or buff all other EW drones. ECM drones are terribly OP because in any fight between two ships with dronebays, one of the two ships can just bailout by dropping drones and warp. Even if you're fighting a battleship or something like that. You can reliably shut it down for 20s with a flight of SMALL ECM DRONES. Which is ********.
And ECCMs don't affect ECM drones. Tested it on Singularity.
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Lunkwill Khashour
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.12.03 14:10:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:Hey wildcat, its not the drones, its never been the drones.
Its ecm and its "fubar for 20 second effect" the idea to combine that type of chance basied but yet not a ecm burst style but the full 20 seconds to light drones, utterly stupid and totally unballenced.
we are restricted to heavy web drones, yet if we had light versions they would suck anyway because they have stacking penelties - ecm drones get MORE effective *exponentially* the more you have.
That does not make sense, they are overpowered and always have been - thats why EVERYONE with 25 drone space spare always packs some ec-300s. fact.
EDIT: do you think ecm drones would get used at all if they were only available in large?
This.
The other EW drones are subpar since they are stacking penalised. ECM drones aren't.
Giving them a stacking penalty would probably mean that they become as useless as other ECM drones.
IMO they should be able to burst only, not jam. |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
159
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Posted - 2011.12.03 14:25:00 -
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Lunkwill Khashour wrote:Muad 'dib wrote:Hey wildcat, its not the drones, its never been the drones.
Its ecm and its "fubar for 20 second effect" the idea to combine that type of chance basied but yet not a ecm burst style but the full 20 seconds to light drones, utterly stupid and totally unballenced.
we are restricted to heavy web drones, yet if we had light versions they would suck anyway because they have stacking penelties - ecm drones get MORE effective *exponentially* the more you have.
That does not make sense, they are overpowered and always have been - thats why EVERYONE with 25 drone space spare always packs some ec-300s. fact.
EDIT: do you think ecm drones would get used at all if they were only available in large? This. The other EW drones are subpar since they are stacking penalised. ECM drones aren't. Giving them a stacking penalty would probably mean that they become as useless as other ECM drones. IMO they should be able to burst only, not jam.
or, boost the other drones somehow.
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Valea Silpha
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
4
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Posted - 2011.12.03 14:28:00 -
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I don't think neuting drones stack. I mean, they are terrible, but they don't stack. So that's something...
Yup, I agree that ECM drones are too good, and something should be done. They need to be greatly reduced in effect by ECCM and the chances of each drone jamming shouldn't be separate. No matter how many ecm drones are on you, they should have one chance to jam you every 20 seconds. The more drones, the better chance, but still only one chance. The reason why ECM drones break the ecm formula is that they get 5 chances to jam you every 20 seconds and it only takes one success to jam you. To not be affected by them you need to be lucky every time, they need to be lucky once.
And of course it only get worse with more drones that hit at different times. A lot of the time you aren't truely permajammed, but when you only get 7 seconds unjammed for every 20 seconds you are, its not exactly much different.
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Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
15
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Posted - 2011.12.03 14:54:00 -
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the real problem is the fact that more ecm drones on feild means more effectivness.
Just not so for any other ew drone, argue dps over ecm all you want though - ecm are over powered and all over ew drones basicly usless (apart from the usflul but rare EV series) |
m0cking bird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
30
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Posted - 2011.12.03 15:18:00 -
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I use to be against ECM drones (hated them, because they're worse than falcons). Then I started using them. So, now I'm just against ecm drones being used against me. Kinda like my thoughts on logistics, neutraliser's, tracking disruptor's Falcons and Ecm in general.
Also, I'm against solo pilots using alternative characters in engagements and calling it solo.With that said. I've used alternative characters. Ever since I started playing this game. Maybe not solo, which it's not, but for moving ships trading and whatever else I could not do because I had very low security status. I have used characters to scout before, provide gang-links and logistics. BUT!
In my opinion. Using T3 ships with gang-links is as lame as using falcons, and scouting alternative characters while claiming to be solo.
In this game full of fa@660ts! Who use ships and modules in annoying ways. Why are something's considered ok (alt in t3 gang-links) and others lame (falcon alt)? Those who lack skill. Tend to find ways to make up for it. Be it alternative characters that use ecm, logistics, or gang-links. Fleets that use logistics, falcons and rely on them. Believing themselves good because of it. Stop complaining.
I lose ships because of myriad of things. I get angry sometimes and I rage. I get over it and move on. I wish I could ask A GOD (CCP) in real life to change all the things that are unfair. Certain things most would consider imbalanced or immoral. You know, stupid sh!t. Deal with it.
How many more things are people going to complain about being overpowered? Seems that any ship, module or ammo used in game by the majority of pilots is considered overpowered.
-proxyyyy |
Ariel Dawn
F9X
164
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Posted - 2011.12.03 15:21:00 -
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ECCM modules should provide a tangible benefit to the ship outside of just boosting sensor strength. Perhaps introducing them as sig reduction modules as well; would fit well with interceptors trying to grab Falcons/etc sitting far away, longer lock time on them coupled with boosted sensor str. |
Tamiya Sarossa
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
111
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Posted - 2011.12.03 15:29:00 -
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Stacking nerf their jam strengths, just like ECM should have its jam strengths stacking nerfed. Poblem solved. |
Vokradacka
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.12.03 16:15:00 -
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Its "easy"
ECM (drones\falcons) need diminishing returns as every other GC in pvp mmo games......
2 posssibilities
1)
-first round of jam normal chance
-second round of jam 60% chance(to jam)
-third ...20%
-4th 0%
+ reset timer after 1-2 mins
2)
-first round of jam 20 secs
-second round of jam 12 secs
-third 6 secs
-4th tero....
+ reset timer after 1-2 mins
chose one |
Emperor Salazar
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
232
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Posted - 2011.12.03 16:25:00 -
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Why do you still play this game? |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
15
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Posted - 2011.12.03 16:54:00 -
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i propose somthing like the following:
Change ecm jam cycle on the dornes to a burst followed by a reduced version of a damp effect on a hit only.
Successful ecm cycle = an instant ecm burst effect then 20 seconds of 50% less scan res, or a stagered effect
Successful ecm cycle = 10 seconds of pure jamming wiht added damp effects
successful ecm cycle = one burst, per drone, whenever the cycle hits (so perhaps multi bursts per 20 sec with sttaggered aggro) |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
Dead On Arrival Alliance
436
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Posted - 2011.12.03 17:19:00 -
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DHB WildCat wrote:Also how the hell do "light" ecm drones jam a battleship nearly 70% of their cycles?
They don't.
They jam 20% of the time, or 10% with one ECCM module.
Whereas a flight of light drones will add 100dps against you for 100% of the time.
Nerf damage drones! ZOMG!
But seriously. The people in this thread need to take a look at what "probability" and "confirmation bias" are.
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