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McWatt
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Posted - 2003.11.01 12:17:00 -
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Edited by: Noriko Te'Len on 01/11/2003 11:52:12
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And knowingly using a bug to your advantage that has been in the game for ages and ccp denys to change would be called what?
the devs fault? 
Hrmm, let's blame CCP for the collapse of the Soviet Union, the rise of Adolf H and America's "policing the world" crusade.
Failing that, we could just blame the idiots who were an active part of what I mentioned.
Although it's hard to believe, the EVE community isn't so pathetic and hopeless they're incapable of doing something without CCP.
i think it s at least as pathetic to accept everything ccp does, as it is to complain about everything.
i find it rather funny that you should use this specific rl comparisions:
in all the cases mentioned by you, the real problem arose, because people would arrange themselfs with the system (this is what you propose to do in eve) instead of fighting against it.
you might want to rethink for a second and agree, don t you? 
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Quantum Gopher
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Posted - 2003.11.01 12:37:00 -
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Edited by: Quantum Gopher on 01/11/2003 12:45:23
Edited by: Quantum Gopher on 01/11/2003 12:39:15
Never having been in a war, I don't know how the process operates. But I believe we need something along the lines of...
When a corp. declares was on your corp...all members receive special notification, giving them a chance to quit and avoid it. This would apply whilst in flight or docked until the war becomes official (you still have this choice if you don't log on until after the war is official, but only once) and not be considered a deserter, effectively making you a reserve force able to rejoin but not quit without penalty. After this notification, the only other way to quit should be while docked.
I presume there is a way to tell if a targeted ship is an "enemy corp" member. So if they dock and quit, you have to re-aquire and would see their status. Yes, it could be considered cowardly to quit, but the penalty would be that you couldn't rejoin until peace was declared. In this fashion...you will wear down the corp either by destruction or desertion.
Some ideas anyway. 
Edit: Spelling, some hopeful clarification
Q. Gopher
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Snoop
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Posted - 2003.11.01 15:36:00 -
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Hands the lil puppy a tissue, did u find it offensive you got outsmarted. i mean a scorp attacking a stabber , you poor thing you musta been really threatened. somone who dock camps a station and quits his corp to move then rejoins, how is that different. that itself is an exploit. hmm one should cry to GM bout it huh, oh sorry here is another tissue. jsut learned of your exploit of that. it will be reported, grabs tissue for myself. oh BTW lol since your a super genious obviously, you havent even got close to what really happened, ill let u dream bout how we KILLLLLED your sorry carcaus.
dock camps a station? wtf? i was sitting outside for hours ,u had 5 guy's docked one who was also in a scorpion you corp are all cowards ,i know exactly what happened you were a member of CFT when i started attacking when you had barely any hp left you suddenly became a member of the scope ,then 5 mins later you were back in CFT your nothing but a lame little exploiter because you corp that outnumbers me is to scared to come out and fight like real men,
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Snoop
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Posted - 2003.11.01 15:56:00 -
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just like to say a big thanx to CCP for dealing with my petition very quickly 
was expecting it to take over week
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Dukath
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Posted - 2003.11.01 16:01:00 -
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I agree that leaving a corporation should be done in station where they have an office.
Being kicked out of a corporation should only go active as soon as you dock, not before.
Joining a corporation, that is being accepted in a corporation should only be possible docked at a station with an office of that corporation.
If these things are ensured then i don't think it can be abused anymore.
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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.11.01 16:25:00 -
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Joshua,
That "personal vendetta" idea sounds great I really like it. An agent mission with some teeth.
Calladen
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McWatt
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Posted - 2003.11.01 16:25:00 -
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And knowingly using a bug to your advantage that has been in the game for ages and ccp denys to change would be called what?
An exploit. Didn't realise there was a time limit on when exploits stopped being exploits. Care to enlighten us with the formula for when it isn't an exploit anymore?  (sorry for repetitivness)
imo there is a timelimit.
war has dozens of faults.
while the exit --> concord thing could be solved by players not using it, it s rather unlikely that the general war-avoidance will be (how long will you wait till you change corps while there is a battleship blockade outside?).
in fact wars are consensual at the moment and imo they shouldn t be in a PvP lite game.
and no, i can t give you timetables, but 3 months for an easy fix should do?
sorry, i just get angry when the important issues get lost just because the easiest thing to do is to call "exploit, exploit".
the real problem here are:
* the brocken war system
* and, again, uber-concord.
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Master Scy
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Posted - 2003.11.01 16:33:00 -
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My problem with the quitting at an office idea is, what if a corp only has 1 office and it's 100 jumps away? Or worse, what if your own corp decided to turn on you, and they've always got 20 people in the system where that one office is? You'll never be able to leave! |
Fred0
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Posted - 2003.11.01 17:05:00 -
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Sorry, i just get angry when the important issues get lost just because the easiest thing to do is to call "exploit, exploit".
In principle I agree with your post. PvP needs to be fixed. Concord needs better scaling etc. But still there are a few things that are just too blatant to let go. Quitting a corp midfight is one of those things I could never condone. Anyone caught doing that should just be thrown off the server imho.
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McWatt
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Posted - 2003.11.01 20:04:00 -
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Quitting a corp midfight is one of those things I could never condone. Anyone caught doing that should just be thrown off the server imho.
agreed
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Dinker
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Posted - 2003.11.01 20:10:00 -
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I think you should look at who exploited. When you declared war then left the your corp and had an alt hold the war so you could join a noob corp to move freely around space. You clearly exploited. Frankly you only declared war because your boored? Quit the game then, its ppl like you who make this game sux sometimes.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2003.11.02 00:39:00 -
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while i wouldn t call this behaviour a great tactic, it s not an exploit either.
it s a well known bug.
Ahem. Exploit means using a bug; ergo these statements are inherently contradictory. If its a well known bug, then anyone using it IS exploiting.
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Captain Canuck
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Posted - 2003.11.02 02:17:00 -
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 Poor Snoop. Declares war on a corp that employs mostly newer, mining players, in a 0.8 system, for the sole reason that he cant cut it in 0.0 space and has to pick on noobs to have fun. On top of that, while in the process of moving all of his belongings to the 0.8 system so he can camp and pick off the frig flying noobs, he leaves his corp so his hauler doesnt get attacked :) 9.9 sec rating, flies a bs...and uses the same exploit that hes so against to avoid having to confront frigates. Also...for a corp thats so cowardly, its odd that the only time Snoop attacks us is when the odds are stacked in his favor (Scorp vs. Stabber, Scorp vs. Scythe, etc.) If that isnt cowardly.......
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Snoop
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Posted - 2003.11.02 02:25:00 -
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Edited by: Snoop on 02/11/2003 02:26:20
FYI i used to be in a fountain alliance corp and fought on many ocasions when rus ,sinister and m0o invaded im not so retarded that i cant handle 0.0 combat. i never left IBSE CORP,i got booted out because i wasnt actively hunting you guy's ,then they let me back in when i got a scorp for the sole purpose of killing CFT members,
my favour? i attacked ditchdoctor in his tempest and some other guy in a thorax ,yes i didnt get really close to them as i didnt have insurance but i target jammed ditch doctor anyway so i didnt stay at 35km's out of fear he couldnt shoot unless i let him,yesterday when jacquiera decided to exploit there was 5 of you docked in the station including mia who claimed to have been docked in a scorpion ,why didnt you all undock and fight instead of exploiting?
out fit any more scorpions if im destroyed.
you guys are so lame to bring all this crap into this thread ,i never even mentioned your names i was just inquiring on what CCP would do about it 
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Captain Canuck
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Posted - 2003.11.02 05:26:00 -
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We brought this "crap" into the thread because your whining about an exploit that we used when you used the same one, over a longer period of time just before you lost your ship. Also, the insensitive bastards of eve kicked you because you werent actively hunting? if i remember right there are only a few members in that corp, very unlikely they would kick 1/3 of their members :) Anyway....we had a ship waiting for you today outside of xsense....and it was you who refused to undock, so again, who is the coward. And if ccp gave you your ship back, im happy for you, it just means we can destroy you again :) happy hunting
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.11.02 06:23:00 -
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It is an exploit. i know someone that got warned for using it.
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Sally
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Posted - 2003.11.02 06:28:00 -
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It is an exploit. i know someone that got warned for using it.
Yeah. Dumb GM warned me because CoC idiots attacked me 5 minutes after I left the corp.
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McWatt
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Posted - 2003.11.02 07:03:00 -
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while i wouldn t call this behaviour a great tactic, it s not an exploit either.
it s a well known bug.
Ahem. Exploit means using a bug; ergo these statements are inherently contradictory. If its a well known bug, then anyone using it IS exploiting.
please reread my posts.
i know that abusing a bug is called an exploit. but the people responsible for the bug are partially responsible for its abuse and their share keeps growing.
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Thaos
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Posted - 2003.11.02 07:54:00 -
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just lost a scorpion to a member of a corp im at war with ,as her ship was about to be destoryed she quit her corp and concord blew me away , does anyone know ccp's stance on such things? and wether i will get all my equipment and ship back aswell as punishing the offender?
File a petition, you'll get your stuff back at least the ship and any componenets that were not looted. As long as the offending char does not rejoin their former corp, there is not much that CCP can do about it.
They are thinking about implementing a delay timer so that said players can't automatically leave a corp instantly. Hopefully this will be implemented soon, if it hasn't already been done so.
No word on whether it is considered an exploit by the developers to my knowledge.
Sorry for your loss , would be nice if they made the offending char fund the replacement of your ship, but as it stands there doesn't seem to be any laws or punishments for "supposed real life crimes" crimes committed in the world of eve.
Huh what?! I don't even play this game anymore I just sit around and chat and train skillz. yeah whatever :P |
Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2003.11.02 11:19:00 -
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while i wouldn t call this behaviour a great tactic, it s not an exploit either.
it s a well known bug.
Ahem. Exploit means using a bug; ergo these statements are inherently contradictory. If its a well known bug, then anyone using it IS exploiting.
please reread my posts.
i know that abusing a bug is called an exploit. but the people responsible for the bug are partially responsible for its abuse and their share keeps growing.
I read it again. It still says that this is a bug, but using it is not an exploit. This is still wrong.
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McWatt
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Posted - 2003.11.02 11:25:00 -
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different opinions. may happen.
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