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Snoop
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Posted - 2003.11.01 02:18:00 -
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just lost a scorpion to a member of a corp im at war with ,as her ship was about to be destoryed she quit her corp and concord blew me away , does anyone know ccp's stance on such things? and wether i will get all my equipment and ship back aswell as punishing the offender?
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Noriko Te'Len
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Posted - 2003.11.01 02:39:00 -
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Name and shame! Name and shame!
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Master Scy
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Posted - 2003.11.01 02:56:00 -
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Great, another flaw... At least they should make quitting corp take 15 minutes... |
Soren
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Posted - 2003.11.01 03:24:00 -
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Longer then 15 mins, the next downtime would be good.
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Toast
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Posted - 2003.11.01 03:36:00 -
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From an previous post I read of yours you favoured grieving and killing of people in 1.0 Think you said you enjoyed it.
Thought you should have been banned there and then for doing that.(Cannot remember where your post was though).
Presume you were at war for the sole purpose of ganking and grieving people and using a declaration of war as justification of your acts.
From your previous record I would say you are bored with lack of content that you have to grieve people who are probably trying to enjoy themselves?
(Aside) Think people who declare war should have to pay a lump sum to concorde every day to stop *legalised grieving*.
Now everyone wants to declare war on Techell - just because they had a miner 2 BP. What about all the other people who had miner 2s and tried to keep the market price inflated and also to sell them *out of game*.
War should be a last resort not for people's *fun*.
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Enraku Reynolt
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Posted - 2003.11.01 03:44:00 -
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Just make it so you cant leave a corp unless your at a corp's office
a sort of "Turning in a letter of resignation"
that will stop people from tring to have Concord fight for them
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Snoop
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Posted - 2003.11.01 03:45:00 -
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i have never griefed or condoned such behaviour ,until recently i was in a decent corp who despised pirates and gerifers and only left them and turned semi pirate recently.
i didnt get my 9.9 sec status from killing people in secure space or using exploiters to pirate in 1.0 systems ,get your facts straight.
i have never attempted to take advantage of the games design for my own benefit or others.
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Nirvy
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Posted - 2003.11.01 05:11:00 -
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Edited by: Nirvy on 01/11/2003 05:30:53
Another pet hate of mine is large corps who will create a small new corp, and have maybe 5 members join that corp. They are then able to use that sub corp to hit you in empire space. By the time you declare war on that sub corp they have already scrapped the small new corp and have created another one.
Seems cowardly and to be an exploit to me, and i know many people who have reported one particular corp as exploiting this, as corps can only have 3 wars going at once. At least CCP's response to them has been good so far, hopefully this will stop soon. 
I kn ow of people who have indeed gotten their ships back to your particular exploit. As its easily traceble for ccp.
Mercenary | The Azath |
Falzone
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Posted - 2003.11.01 05:25:00 -
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i'd report it as an exploit when i was in techell a guy named paddyman pulled that same stunt leaving his corp in the middle of the fight and all our memebers who lost ships in that fight had them replaced so its worth trying. gl
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Mimiru
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Posted - 2003.11.01 06:26:00 -
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Just make it so you cant leave a corp unless your at a corp's office
that might work, or just have it so you actually leave the corp X hours after you select 'quit'
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Dyvim Slorm
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Posted - 2003.11.01 06:28:00 -
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Easy way to deal with this, is a resignation does not come into force until the next server reset. Should be easy enough for ccp to implement.
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Archemedes
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Posted - 2003.11.01 06:46:00 -
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That is... lame. Really, really lame.  Once combat starts, changes in status (wars, corp membership, etc...) should not affect ships already involved in the fight. After all, once someone shoots at me do I really care if they leave their corp? We're fighting a battle! 
And yes, leaving a corp should require time. There are several exploits (or "tactics" as some call them) based on jumping in and out of corps so making it take effect after reset (or 24 hours) would help a lot.
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Mynobe Soletae
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Posted - 2003.11.01 06:58:00 -
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Yeah, and then once they make "leave corp" take 15 mins, the guy changes to "hey someone kick me from the corp, I'm taking damage, quick!" at which point CCP makes "kick out of corp" take 15 minutes, which suddenly becomes heaven for corp hangar thieves, as they can't be kicked out before they finish stealing, if discovered.
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Bjorn Nilfheim
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Posted - 2003.11.01 07:23:00 -
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mynobe, just revoke hangar access.
Admiral of the Forsaken Fleets
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Jacquiera
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Posted - 2003.11.01 07:44:00 -
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Hands the lil puppy a tissue, did u find it offensive you got outsmarted. i mean a scorp attacking a stabber , you poor thing you musta been really threatened. somone who dock camps a station and quits his corp to move then rejoins, how is that different. that itself is an exploit. hmm one should cry to GM bout it huh, oh sorry here is another tissue. jsut learned of your exploit of that. it will be reported, grabs tissue for myself. oh BTW lol since your a super genious obviously, you havent even got close to what really happened, ill let u dream bout how we KILLLLLED your sorry carcaus.
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Nirvy
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Posted - 2003.11.01 08:19:00 -
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Even better would be an employment history.
It just needs to shows all the corps you joined, including dates and times, and when you quit them.
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Alfius Togra
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Posted - 2003.11.01 09:48:00 -
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"War should be a last resort not for people's *fun*."
what the hell is that about, this is a game ppl fun is whatever we want it to be if war is fun then so be it the game would suck if all we did was mine trade and shoot rats
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Jacquiera
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Posted - 2003.11.01 10:02:00 -
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well reading ya evemail, im laffin, so your to chicken to hit us directly now, u got your alt coming in,, your not too bright are you. for 1, im a he not a she, 2 i was insured were you, 3- 4 mill isk wasnt a loss lol how bout you with that 50 mill isk scorp, ouch bet that hurt.
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Fred0
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Posted - 2003.11.01 10:33:00 -
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Edited by: Fred0 on 01/11/2003 10:36:21
... not worth it.. 
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.11.01 10:44:00 -
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Edited by: Nirvy on 01/11/2003 05:30:53
Another pet hate of mine is large corps who will create a small new corp, and have maybe 5 members join that corp. They are then able to use that sub corp to hit you in empire space. By the time you declare war on that sub corp they have already scrapped the small new corp and have created another one.
Seems cowardly and to be an exploit to me, and i know many people who have reported one particular corp as exploiting this, as corps can only have 3 wars going at once. At least CCP's response to them has been good so far, hopefully this will stop soon.
I kn ow of people who have indeed gotten their ships back to your particular exploit. As its easily traceble for ccp.
If the small corp. has already declared war on you, why do you have to wait to declare war on them?
The 48hr countdown applies to both sides.
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PropanElgen
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Posted - 2003.11.01 10:54:00 -
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That sort of thing should earn the person a PERMANENT ban from TQ.
All the angels and the puny men of god looked away...
Frightened to death by the evil that was born on that day!
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Gadgets
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Posted - 2003.11.01 11:05:00 -
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Hmm seems the best way to deal with this and other corp issues is to make leaving a corp painfull if a set procedure isnt followed.
Why not give incentives to stay in a corp.
Perhaps leaving a corp causes a loss of skill points or a reduction in another important area.
Large drops in faction ..
Just a thought.
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2003.11.01 11:06:00 -
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Just make it so you cant leave a corp unless your at a corp's office
a sort of "Turning in a letter of resignation"
that will stop people from tring to have Concord fight for them
Excellent solution.
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McWatt
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Posted - 2003.11.01 11:14:00 -
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Edited by: McWatt on 01/11/2003 11:15:39
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That sort of thing should earn the person a PERMANENT ban from TQ.
you should get a permanent ban from TQ if:
* you are the person responsible for the war-system in eve
* you are using the "e"-word all the time
while i wouldn t call this behaviour a great tactic, it s not an exploit either.
it s a well known bug. ccp knows about it for months. they do nothing about it. i m sick of not being able to use half the features of this game because they are not able to fix even the simplest bugs.
so i congrat the guy pulling this off, this seems to be the only way to put pressure on ccp to finally change something!
war system needs:
* reasonable amount of war slots (10+)
* some restriction to leaving corp at war
* single player wars
* a way to end wars
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.11.01 11:24:00 -
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Edited by: McWatt on 01/11/2003 11:15:39
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That sort of thing should earn the person a PERMANENT ban from TQ.
you should get a permanent ban from TQ if:
* you are the person responsible for the war-system in eve
* you are using the "e"-word all the time
while i wouldn t call this behaviour a great tactic, it s not an exploit either.
it s a well known bug. ccp knows about it for months. they do nothing about it. i m sick of not being able to use half the features of this game because they are not able to fix even the simplest bugs.
so i congrat the guy pulling this off, this seems to be the only way to put pressure on ccp to finally change something!
war system needs:
* reasonable amount of war slots (10+)
* some restriction to leaving corp at war
* single player wars
* a way to end wars
I would dearly love single-player wars.
If implemented properly, it would get rid of griefers in Empire Space.
ShockAndAwe would never have had so many people ganked by CONCORD if a couple of enterprising individuals declared a personal war on him.
Perhaps "Personal Vendetta's" could be linked to Agents - your Agent can setup a "war" with someone BUT that other person can then by notified by his Agent that someone is after them.
Put a time-limit on it, make it so that you can't go to "war" with the same person twice in a certain period, and introduce tracking features.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Fred0
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Posted - 2003.11.01 11:30:00 -
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while i wouldn t call this behaviour a great tactic, it s not an exploit either. It's a well known bug.
And knowingly using a bug to your advantage would be called what?
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2003.11.01 11:43:00 -
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Even better would be an employment history.
It just needs to shows all the corps you joined, including dates and times, and when you quit them.
Idea lab!
(Wouldn't surprise me if there has already been a thread about it, but...)
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McWatt
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Posted - 2003.11.01 11:49:00 -
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And knowingly using a bug to your advantage would be called what?
And knowingly using a bug to your advantage that has been in the game for ages and ccp denys to change would be called what?
the devs fault? 
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Noriko Te'Len
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Posted - 2003.11.01 11:51:00 -
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Edited by: Noriko Te'Len on 01/11/2003 11:52:12
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And knowingly using a bug to your advantage would be called what?
And knowingly using a bug to your advantage that has been in the game for ages and ccp denys to change would be called what?
the devs fault?
Hrmm, let's blame CCP for the collapse of the Soviet Union, the rise of Adolf H and America's "policing the world" crusade.
Failing that, we could just blame the idiots who were an active part of what I mentioned.
Although it's hard to believe, the EVE community isn't so pathetic and hopeless they're incapable of doing something without CCP.
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Fred0
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Posted - 2003.11.01 12:11:00 -
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And knowingly using a bug to your advantage that has been in the game for ages and ccp denys to change would be called what?
An exploit. Didn't realise there was a time limit on when exploits stopped being exploits. Care to enlighten us with the formula for when it isn't an exploit anymore?  (sorry for repetitivness)
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McWatt
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Posted - 2003.11.01 12:17:00 -
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Edited by: Noriko Te'Len on 01/11/2003 11:52:12
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And knowingly using a bug to your advantage that has been in the game for ages and ccp denys to change would be called what?
the devs fault?
Hrmm, let's blame CCP for the collapse of the Soviet Union, the rise of Adolf H and America's "policing the world" crusade.
Failing that, we could just blame the idiots who were an active part of what I mentioned.
Although it's hard to believe, the EVE community isn't so pathetic and hopeless they're incapable of doing something without CCP.
i think it s at least as pathetic to accept everything ccp does, as it is to complain about everything.
i find it rather funny that you should use this specific rl comparisions:
in all the cases mentioned by you, the real problem arose, because people would arrange themselfs with the system (this is what you propose to do in eve) instead of fighting against it.
you might want to rethink for a second and agree, don t you? 
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Quantum Gopher
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Posted - 2003.11.01 12:37:00 -
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Edited by: Quantum Gopher on 01/11/2003 12:45:23
Edited by: Quantum Gopher on 01/11/2003 12:39:15
Never having been in a war, I don't know how the process operates. But I believe we need something along the lines of...
When a corp. declares was on your corp...all members receive special notification, giving them a chance to quit and avoid it. This would apply whilst in flight or docked until the war becomes official (you still have this choice if you don't log on until after the war is official, but only once) and not be considered a deserter, effectively making you a reserve force able to rejoin but not quit without penalty. After this notification, the only other way to quit should be while docked.
I presume there is a way to tell if a targeted ship is an "enemy corp" member. So if they dock and quit, you have to re-aquire and would see their status. Yes, it could be considered cowardly to quit, but the penalty would be that you couldn't rejoin until peace was declared. In this fashion...you will wear down the corp either by destruction or desertion.
Some ideas anyway.
Edit: Spelling, some hopeful clarification
Q. Gopher
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Snoop
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Posted - 2003.11.01 15:36:00 -
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Hands the lil puppy a tissue, did u find it offensive you got outsmarted. i mean a scorp attacking a stabber , you poor thing you musta been really threatened. somone who dock camps a station and quits his corp to move then rejoins, how is that different. that itself is an exploit. hmm one should cry to GM bout it huh, oh sorry here is another tissue. jsut learned of your exploit of that. it will be reported, grabs tissue for myself. oh BTW lol since your a super genious obviously, you havent even got close to what really happened, ill let u dream bout how we KILLLLLED your sorry carcaus.
dock camps a station? wtf? i was sitting outside for hours ,u had 5 guy's docked one who was also in a scorpion you corp are all cowards ,i know exactly what happened you were a member of CFT when i started attacking when you had barely any hp left you suddenly became a member of the scope ,then 5 mins later you were back in CFT your nothing but a lame little exploiter because you corp that outnumbers me is to scared to come out and fight like real men,
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Snoop
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Posted - 2003.11.01 15:56:00 -
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just like to say a big thanx to CCP for dealing with my petition very quickly 
was expecting it to take over week
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Dukath
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Posted - 2003.11.01 16:01:00 -
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I agree that leaving a corporation should be done in station where they have an office.
Being kicked out of a corporation should only go active as soon as you dock, not before.
Joining a corporation, that is being accepted in a corporation should only be possible docked at a station with an office of that corporation.
If these things are ensured then i don't think it can be abused anymore.
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Calladen Nimitz
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Posted - 2003.11.01 16:25:00 -
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Joshua,
That "personal vendetta" idea sounds great I really like it. An agent mission with some teeth.
Calladen
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McWatt
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Posted - 2003.11.01 16:25:00 -
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And knowingly using a bug to your advantage that has been in the game for ages and ccp denys to change would be called what?
An exploit. Didn't realise there was a time limit on when exploits stopped being exploits. Care to enlighten us with the formula for when it isn't an exploit anymore? (sorry for repetitivness)
imo there is a timelimit.
war has dozens of faults.
while the exit --> concord thing could be solved by players not using it, it s rather unlikely that the general war-avoidance will be (how long will you wait till you change corps while there is a battleship blockade outside?).
in fact wars are consensual at the moment and imo they shouldn t be in a PvP lite game.
and no, i can t give you timetables, but 3 months for an easy fix should do?
sorry, i just get angry when the important issues get lost just because the easiest thing to do is to call "exploit, exploit".
the real problem here are:
* the brocken war system
* and, again, uber-concord.
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Master Scy
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Posted - 2003.11.01 16:33:00 -
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My problem with the quitting at an office idea is, what if a corp only has 1 office and it's 100 jumps away? Or worse, what if your own corp decided to turn on you, and they've always got 20 people in the system where that one office is? You'll never be able to leave! |
Fred0
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Posted - 2003.11.01 17:05:00 -
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Sorry, i just get angry when the important issues get lost just because the easiest thing to do is to call "exploit, exploit".
In principle I agree with your post. PvP needs to be fixed. Concord needs better scaling etc. But still there are a few things that are just too blatant to let go. Quitting a corp midfight is one of those things I could never condone. Anyone caught doing that should just be thrown off the server imho.
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McWatt
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Posted - 2003.11.01 20:04:00 -
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Quitting a corp midfight is one of those things I could never condone. Anyone caught doing that should just be thrown off the server imho.
agreed
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Dinker
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Posted - 2003.11.01 20:10:00 -
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I think you should look at who exploited. When you declared war then left the your corp and had an alt hold the war so you could join a noob corp to move freely around space. You clearly exploited. Frankly you only declared war because your boored? Quit the game then, its ppl like you who make this game sux sometimes.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2003.11.02 00:39:00 -
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while i wouldn t call this behaviour a great tactic, it s not an exploit either.
it s a well known bug.
Ahem. Exploit means using a bug; ergo these statements are inherently contradictory. If its a well known bug, then anyone using it IS exploiting.
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Captain Canuck
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Posted - 2003.11.02 02:17:00 -
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 Poor Snoop. Declares war on a corp that employs mostly newer, mining players, in a 0.8 system, for the sole reason that he cant cut it in 0.0 space and has to pick on noobs to have fun. On top of that, while in the process of moving all of his belongings to the 0.8 system so he can camp and pick off the frig flying noobs, he leaves his corp so his hauler doesnt get attacked :) 9.9 sec rating, flies a bs...and uses the same exploit that hes so against to avoid having to confront frigates. Also...for a corp thats so cowardly, its odd that the only time Snoop attacks us is when the odds are stacked in his favor (Scorp vs. Stabber, Scorp vs. Scythe, etc.) If that isnt cowardly.......
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Snoop
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Posted - 2003.11.02 02:25:00 -
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Edited by: Snoop on 02/11/2003 02:26:20
FYI i used to be in a fountain alliance corp and fought on many ocasions when rus ,sinister and m0o invaded im not so retarded that i cant handle 0.0 combat. i never left IBSE CORP,i got booted out because i wasnt actively hunting you guy's ,then they let me back in when i got a scorp for the sole purpose of killing CFT members,
my favour? i attacked ditchdoctor in his tempest and some other guy in a thorax ,yes i didnt get really close to them as i didnt have insurance but i target jammed ditch doctor anyway so i didnt stay at 35km's out of fear he couldnt shoot unless i let him,yesterday when jacquiera decided to exploit there was 5 of you docked in the station including mia who claimed to have been docked in a scorpion ,why didnt you all undock and fight instead of exploiting?
out fit any more scorpions if im destroyed.
you guys are so lame to bring all this crap into this thread ,i never even mentioned your names i was just inquiring on what CCP would do about it 
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Captain Canuck
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Posted - 2003.11.02 05:26:00 -
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We brought this "crap" into the thread because your whining about an exploit that we used when you used the same one, over a longer period of time just before you lost your ship. Also, the insensitive bastards of eve kicked you because you werent actively hunting? if i remember right there are only a few members in that corp, very unlikely they would kick 1/3 of their members :) Anyway....we had a ship waiting for you today outside of xsense....and it was you who refused to undock, so again, who is the coward. And if ccp gave you your ship back, im happy for you, it just means we can destroy you again :) happy hunting
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.11.02 06:23:00 -
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It is an exploit. i know someone that got warned for using it.
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Sally
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Posted - 2003.11.02 06:28:00 -
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It is an exploit. i know someone that got warned for using it.
Yeah. Dumb GM warned me because CoC idiots attacked me 5 minutes after I left the corp.
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McWatt
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Posted - 2003.11.02 07:03:00 -
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while i wouldn t call this behaviour a great tactic, it s not an exploit either.
it s a well known bug.
Ahem. Exploit means using a bug; ergo these statements are inherently contradictory. If its a well known bug, then anyone using it IS exploiting.
please reread my posts.
i know that abusing a bug is called an exploit. but the people responsible for the bug are partially responsible for its abuse and their share keeps growing.
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Thaos
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Posted - 2003.11.02 07:54:00 -
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just lost a scorpion to a member of a corp im at war with ,as her ship was about to be destoryed she quit her corp and concord blew me away , does anyone know ccp's stance on such things? and wether i will get all my equipment and ship back aswell as punishing the offender?
File a petition, you'll get your stuff back at least the ship and any componenets that were not looted. As long as the offending char does not rejoin their former corp, there is not much that CCP can do about it.
They are thinking about implementing a delay timer so that said players can't automatically leave a corp instantly. Hopefully this will be implemented soon, if it hasn't already been done so.
No word on whether it is considered an exploit by the developers to my knowledge.
Sorry for your loss , would be nice if they made the offending char fund the replacement of your ship, but as it stands there doesn't seem to be any laws or punishments for "supposed real life crimes" crimes committed in the world of eve.
Huh what?! I don't even play this game anymore I just sit around and chat and train skillz. yeah whatever :P |
Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2003.11.02 11:19:00 -
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while i wouldn t call this behaviour a great tactic, it s not an exploit either.
it s a well known bug.
Ahem. Exploit means using a bug; ergo these statements are inherently contradictory. If its a well known bug, then anyone using it IS exploiting.
please reread my posts.
i know that abusing a bug is called an exploit. but the people responsible for the bug are partially responsible for its abuse and their share keeps growing.
I read it again. It still says that this is a bug, but using it is not an exploit. This is still wrong.
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McWatt
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Posted - 2003.11.02 11:25:00 -
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different opinions. may happen.
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