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Ilmonstre Minmatar 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.18 12:45:00 - [31] in with kali i say
Asuna Endorine	Posted - 2006.10.18 12:46:00 - [32] i would rather have kali asap and then bugfixes... or mabey a nice balance.. but imo, kali has been delayed too much already
Soraya Silvermoon Never'where	Posted - 2006.10.18 12:58:00 - [33] For all thouse who says "dont engage in big blobs then" your plain and simply stupid... If there was a choise we would not. BUT when CCP have made the game mechanics so that YOU HAVE TO! WE have to... I`ve personally been in lead of alliance and alliance of alliances but trust me.. WE would not have bothered putting up with all the logistics, organisation and all the muppets inside such a Large "coalition" If there was any other way... Last time we engaged pos (yes you have to to win a war in this game) We sendt several hundred of our fleet out of system and only engaged with odd 20 dreads because the other half had to stay logged off since they had crashed (if not RA would field their newest exploit tactics scanning down dreads at the random spot you warp to wehn you crash while they were loggin in)... Then we sendt all the support out of system except our carriers wich we placed next to the dreads to avoid loading lag and to have some form of support.... 12 carriers total.... So all in all we had 30-40 ppl in local but did it help? NO.. We still lost capital ships to an enemy warping in with a small fleet because our capital ships could not activate their shield booster. CCP intended for POS and CAPITALSHIPS to play an important role in territory war and they have made it so that you cant use em without support. Right now their big haulers nothing else... Explain to me pls how to take down a L tower with a fleet of less than 50. and then allso explain to me how to do this when your enemy defend their pos with a couple of hundred... yeah thats right.. You cant choose how many ppl your enemy should field and Lag favors the pos owner. You cant.. And you cant take down the tower with more ppl either due to lag. Hence Chowdown stated on behalf of the coalition that Coalition wount bother to engage in such combat before the game changes in a previous thread. (maby titans will change the game a bit in that manner) And yes Signed.. I belive ccp have allredy said that kali is delayed due to focusing on the lag problem but yes there is a lot to fix.. There is a lot to fix and a ton of small bugs that never gets fixed becasue their not of priority when CCP got their hands full with other things. Small bugs like ROF not showing on POS missile batteries (funny thinking about how long they have been in game and that the caldari tower bonus is to rof). Both the lag issue and the bugs issue have come to such levels that its a disgrace and I`ve seen lots of people quit the game allredy becasue of it and allso lots going inactive after discovering that they cant do what they trained a year to do (cap ships). If CCP doesnt fix the lag eonugh to handle large scale battles to take down towers they should change the game mechanics. Remove the sovereignity system again or something so you dont have to engage L towers in a system with 200 enemy lagwarriors to take a station. Maby make the game mechanics so that taking stations and sovereignity arent dependant on the Large scale battles. It was great in the old days with no sovereignity.
Soraya Silvermoon Never'where	Posted - 2006.10.18 14:35:00 - [34] oh and let me add something thats so old us players think its a feature by now.. The gang overview and the drone overview.. you cant see whos taking damage in gang nor can you see your fighterdrones taking damage (they just dissapear)... Waht is the point with the gang and drone window at all in the clinet? Is it there to only create lag? as its broken. And what is the point with shield transporterrs and such in battles when you cant see who needs repairs.
Zixxa	Posted - 2006.10.18 14:46:00 - [35] Originally by: Soraya Silvermoon So all in all we had 30-40 ppl in local but did it help? NO.. We still lost capital ships to an enemy warping in with a small fleet because our capital ships could not activate their shield booster. Cry me a river, baby. RA will win "LV and Co" with lag or without. As BoB will win ASCN... Lag is big problem, but absence of the brain and fantasy is much more important. So keep your pitiful crying about lag for your forum.
Soraya Silvermoon Never'where	Posted - 2006.10.18 14:50:00 - [36] Edited by: Soraya Silvermoon on 18/10/2006 14:51:54 Originally by: Zixxa Originally by: Soraya Silvermoon So all in all we had 30-40 ppl in local but did it help? NO.. We still lost capital ships to an enemy warping in with a small fleet because our capital ships could not activate their shield booster. Cry me a river, baby. RA will win "LV and Co" with lag or without. As BoB will win ASCN... Lag is big problem, but absence of the brain and fantasy is much more important. So keep your pitiful crying about lag for your forum. Funny sounds coming from this alt :D how many regions have you conquered?
Savio Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.10.18 15:12:00 - [37] yet another that dosent even bother to read the dev blog before posting!! if you did you would know many fixes will be in kali!.... . Need a Sign? Click Here
Ranger 1 Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.18 15:13:00 - [38] Quite efficient actually, using this shotgun to shoot yourself in the foot.
Soraya Silvermoon Never'where	Posted - 2006.10.18 15:27:00 - [39] yes problem is the fixes comes with new bugs with any majore update. its been the history from since I started. Castor was the first I experienced if I`m not mistaken. And plz link me to a list of fixes in kali and tell me that there isnt a lot of stuff allredy implemented that wount get fixed. If I got whiny about every little bug in eve I would not be 3 years old in this game. But there is a boarderline and were closing to it. How bad does it have to get before you Personaly think about demanding refund for every sunday? Tbh I`m not to bothered if kali is released or not but surly there are plenty of things that need fixes befroe new content is introduced.. how about a majore update in between with fixes without the content?
Haks'he Lirky Durgar og Illmenni	Posted - 2006.10.18 15:27:00 - [40] Edited by: Haks''he Lirky on 18/10/2006 15:30:55 there are to my knowledge close to 100 people working at CCP today, do you seriously think that all those people can contribute to the current server issues? Originally by: c0rn1 Please refrain from flaming this post. It is meant in a CONSTRUCTIVE matter and I'd appreciate if people report further bugs they experienced. There is nothing constructive about telling a company of 100 people to all work on one issue where more than half of them have no clue about the server infastructure or the other bugs you mention. I agree however to a certain extent, CCP should put all the resources they can into fixing these issues, delaying Kali however would not at a glance release any resources for that project. Also I think it's plain rude to suggest that CCP isnt putting all their efforts into fixing these problems, I think I am fairly certain that the Devs love this game much more than you do, it's obvious through their blogs and efforts that this isnt just their "day job". regards, Haks'he
Zixxa	Posted - 2006.10.18 15:28:00 - [41] Originally by: Soraya Silvermoon Edited by: Soraya Silvermoon on 18/10/2006 14:51:54 Originally by: Zixxa Cry me a river, baby. RA will win "LV and Co" with lag or without. As BoB will win ASCN... Lag is big problem, but absence of the brain and fantasy is much more important. So keep your pitiful crying about lag for your forum. Funny sounds coming from this alt :D how many regions have you conquered? Friend! Believe me I do not care about your regions or RA regions. But you choose wrong place to cry about your war losses. Everybody in the the galaxy knows that you (LV and Co) are loosing war to RA due to bad tactic and strategy, not because "Terrible and Allmighty Lag" helps RA. So, return, please, back to Alliance&Corp summits and write another post about ebil RA stealing your wins because of exploits, lags, plexes, login traps, blobs, smacks, goons, again lags, pos spam and Bill Gates. Among "forum fighters" you are the best. Really.
Cygore Amarr Death Cult Armageddon	Posted - 2006.10.18 15:29:00 - [42] a few things that would be nice is if they can 1) Get rid of these stupid "Gateways" in missions 2) (Not really important but would be nice) Rotate the Pator III station counter clockwise 90 degrees :] being able to shoot people ur ganged with and not have concord gank u would be nice too altho i know people will just exploit that to bait new players :\
OneSock	Posted - 2006.10.18 15:30:00 - [43] No, bring on Kali the sooner the better. I am hoping it is going to solve my CTD problem on Jumping and Undocking.
Profhet Murder of Crows	Posted - 2006.10.18 15:31:00 - [44] I can wait for new content, rectify the existing stuff first. ____________________________ FEED ON THE DYING
GouldFish Unscoped Myriad Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.18 15:32:00 - [45] Sorry but I was there in the beta, I know the number of bugs there were back then, and the game has gotten alot better since then. As for the lag some places there is less then back then but in others its alot worse, but then we have more people in a single system then was logged in at times back then. I always keep hearing "New content = new bugs" says who?? and what if the new content does have bugs replaces something thats had alot more bugs? Its a balancing game which CCP normally get right, yeah they don;t get it right all the time but then neither does any software group.
Soraya Silvermoon Never'where	Posted - 2006.10.18 15:43:00 - [46] The Gang window for example... It worked perfectly and showed an exact readout as ppl in gang were taking damage.. one of the "majore updates" brooke it.. no?
Badhan	Posted - 2006.10.18 15:53:00 - [47] Just because SOME new content had bugs in it, doesn't mean that all new content will. and P.S I've had no issues with the Gang window it showed all people's stats in it fine last time I used it.
Haks'he Lirky Durgar og Illmenni	Posted - 2006.10.18 15:58:00 - [48] Originally by: Soraya Silvermoon Edited by: Soraya Silvermoon on 18/10/2006 15:47:36 The Gang window for example... It worked perfectly and showed an exact readout as ppl in gang were taking damage.. one of the "majore updates" brooke it.. no? Carriers were introduced and a bug came with them so you could get infinite amount of stuff put into em no? These are clearly game breaking bugs that make the game unplayable and the developer responsible should be brought forth and spanked with a large shovel! WTF! whinage for the Win! If the eve team would have stopped thinking about content updates from the start and just concentrated on fixing current bugs then we wouldnt have the game we have today, it would be a dull game with no T2 or escrow or whatnot... CCP has grown into a large company that is fully capable of doing more than one thing at a time, whining about relatively small issues like the ones your talking about doesnt show anything at all. All the large content updates so far have fixed more things than they have broken and the bugs they introduce have eventually been fixed, or have morphed into other bugs :P doesnt matter though content updates have so far made the game better and I doubt kali will be any exception.
Soraya Silvermoon Never'where	Posted - 2006.10.18 16:04:00 - [49] You got a Valid point. I agree bring in kali. I am whining however to bring attention to the issues as they need it :P Other than that CCP have done a kickass job making such a great game and personally I`m going to stay for another year at least that I have paid for. (I had no problems making that decicion a month ago)
GouldFish Unscoped Myriad Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.18 16:12:00 - [50] well instead of whining about bugs on the forum do a bug report,a nd include some real details on the bug (not only when the bug happens but examples of when it does not happen as well). it will help alot more then talking about on the forums.
Nicocat Caldari New Age Solutions	Posted - 2006.10.18 16:20:00 - [51] Originally by: Papa Digger Originally by: c0rn1 Everyone sign and tell us your experiences here please if they want CCP to delay the upcoming content updates. Instead they shall please get everyone in the dev team on working out the issues. 1) node deaths everytime you try to engage in slightly larger gangs (>30 people per side) 2) logoff exploit while cloaked on a gate making him/her disappear after a very short amount of time. fix scrambling/dictor bubble and aggression timer. 3) tremendous amounts of lag when the player number is higher than 20,000 4) Refueling strontium while a POS is in reinforced <skip> /signed especially 2,4. It's impossible now to win any war, and make any conquests. Invulnerable POSes, uncatchable enemies ships, lags.. all this ruin gameplay. And ignoring this problems by GMs just refuel flame of players anger. I think some points of the list are critical bugs but I didn't see any announcement to players from devs or GM's to prohibit such action. Hee. RA talking about ruining gameplay and cheap tricks... Anyway, to keep on topic, go Kali! Bring us optimizations AND the Hurricane! ---------------------------- Remember, killing a Goon isn't murder. They don't have souls.

kieron	Posted - 2006.10.18 16:25:00 - [52] As a number of posters have said, there are a number of fixes in Revelations (Kali) that will address some of the current server issues and the team working on those issues has not given up trying to resolve them before Kali goes live. As for assigning other team members to the server issues, yes we have close to 130 people on staff. Most of the staff have talents that lie outside of server administration. TQ is much better off without me trying to assist the Server team with the stability issue. kieron Community Manager, EVE Online

Haks'he Lirky Durgar og Illmenni	Posted - 2006.10.18 16:30:00 - [53] Originally by: kieron Most of the staff have talents that lie outside of server administration. TQ is much better off without me trying to assist the Server team with the stability issue. Maybe you could get some pom pom's and a cheerleading outfit and start yer cheerin? ;) Maybe we could get a 1.3% performance boost out of the servers for a few days of Kieron cheerin.
Boukharine Minmatar	Posted - 2006.10.18 16:56:00 - [54] My selfish answer to this petition is no. My trial is over in 5 days , not going to miss Kali
Hunter GlobaGateways Caldari The Edge Foundation Zenith Affinity	Posted - 2006.10.18 19:01:00 - [55] Originally by: c0rn1 Edited by: c0rn1 on 18/10/2006 10:23:21 Everyone sign and tell us your experiences here please if they want CCP to delay the upcoming content updates. Instead they shall please get everyone in the dev team on working out the issues. Here a list of current issues by my knowledge (I will add more more to the list as you will report): 1) node deaths everytime you try to engage in slightly larger gangs (>30 people per side) 2) logoff exploit while cloaked on a gate making him/her disappear after a very short amount of time. fix scrambling/dictor bubble and aggression timer. 3) tremendous amounts of lag when the player number is higher than 20,000 4) Refueling strontium while a POS is in reinforced 5) implement something to prevent login traps 6) Fix the lag in front of POSs 7) Find a solution to the amount of lag appearing when a gang releases drones. 8) Fix module activation delay of up to one minute in fleet engagements with 80+ people. Please refrain from flaming this post. It is meant in a CONSTRUCTIVE matter and I'd appreciate if people report further bugs they experienced. Regards c0rn1 I'd like to focus back on the simplicity of this message as it was posted, and stay focused on what was meant with it. And what was said, I concur with the whole of it, This is now way out of hand. CCP you are our of focus for to long now. I have been here + 3 years, have more than 5 accounts. Run more than one corp, do warfare one more than one front.. Stuff like this is affecting thousands of senior people and we are getting very tired of this crap. So, thread, back on topic.. may we have a response beside; a new, and another new and a further new and some other senior or old devs and some other support guy.. and some more senior dev blogs saying we purchased more hardware yada yada yada.., and then we upgrade the underlying code. no Seriously its time to address these simple specific concerns that as the game is now is fundamental for successful game play in eve as its now being operated by its set of current rules. If you want lots of the senior guys round for the next year. Most I ever talked with, and everyone I know first hand, feel the same way. No point of building a moving components for a Titan to the manufacturing site, when the servers are more likely to crash out than handle a situation where its needed in meant to be gigantic POS and massive fleet size warfare scenario.. I could post with 20+ alts here, but I do not see the point and this is not a message to the community, it’s a message to the devs and the owners of CCP. Start taking these and lag static’s issues seriously, these issues, they have been with us for way too long now. I could post with 20+ alts here, but I do not see the point and this is not a message meant to sway or address the community, it’s a message to the devs and the rightful owners of CCP. Start taking these and lag static’s issues seriously, these issues, they have been with us for way too long now.
Raven Seldon	Posted - 2006.10.18 19:24:00 - [56] I agree! It's all nice to have this or that feature added but gameplay is important too! Maybe there is a gap between development - the testing - real server environments? I know some problems only occur when the server is running for real but things like lag can be tested and located. I'm pretty sure CCP knows where the problems are though For now I have faith! ______________________________________________ My doctor says that I have a malformed public-duty gland and a natural deficiency in moral fibre, and that I am therefore excused from saving Universes.
checkplease	Posted - 2006.10.18 19:29:00 - [57] Edited by: checkplease on 18/10/2006 19:30:24 Give them this chance to fix it. it has been said that kali will fix many problems. warning to ccp. if this kali is a bodge job and the severs arnt better within 2 months of deployment then the SH** WILL HIT THE FAN... even the die hard fanboy's with noses implanted into ccp hq will have to take it on the chin
High Chanceller	Posted - 2006.10.18 19:30:00 - [58] I like how a company (ccp) charges people 15 dollars a month and produces 1 server for everyone to play on...really..1 server.. over 60,000 people are registred so let's do the math. 60,000 X 15.00 = 900,000 a month. 900k a month can't afford crap obviously with this company. Or they don't know how to manage finances and go on a drinking binge and blow it all. Great job guys, keep up the drunken haze while ripping off customers. I have no idea how they expect people to toss money at a game that provides people with a rediculous ammount of bugs, after being in business for years and years. (not unless everyone is so eve addicted they don't care) whateva..keep saying that you are working on issues, and people will continually await to see them not be resolved.
Xelios Minmatar Rampage Eternal	Posted - 2006.10.18 19:44:00 - [59] Originally by: kieron As a number of posters have said, there are a number of fixes in Revelations (Kali) that will address some of the current server issues and the team working on those issues has not given up trying to resolve them before Kali goes live. As for assigning other team members to the server issues, yes we have close to 130 people on staff. Most of the staff have talents that lie outside of server administration. TQ is much better off without me trying to assist the Server team with the stability issue. QFT. Just because CCP has 130 people doesn't mean everyone knows how to fix a server cluster. What are the rest of the people supposed to do while the server admins tinker with the hardware? Scrub the toilets? Although that'd be funny to see I'd rather have them make new toys for us.
31i73 BGG Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.18 19:54:00 - [60] I sure hope the patch will not ruin holidays again. Optimizations, riight..

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